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No he won't. As one of the players called out by Bulger, and compounding it with a wretched performance last night AFTER being called out, I don't think you can reasonably expect him to be a cornerstone. There's lots of talented yet unmotivated failures that have come through the league. Barron is one of them. It was the knock on him when he was drafted, and he's still not improved on it.
Quick thoughts. From the bottom up. Weddle would be perfect in SD (I like him earlier). Blades is not a first rounder (I'm now positive). Harrell isn't a Tampa 2 lineman. Playing only two games this year makes him very hard to judge. I see an excellent 3-4 DE and a decent 43 DT in a standard system. He did expect a first round grade. He blew out his biceps and his workouts will be very important. He NEEDS an invite to the Senior Bowl. My boy Dorsey at LSU is often compared to Tommie Harris and Warren Sapp. I still think he declares, and he's your Tampa 2 one gapper who won't slip past Dungy.
... I'm starting to think some team will use a first rounder on Meriweather. I don't know of any other real character concerns and that brawl was just out of control. If Meriweather passes the psyche sniff test, he's got first round talent.
That's also a question. Anyone have any dirt on Meriweather other than the foolish involvement in The Fight?
Turns out he was involved in a shooting over the summer. Reportedly fired three shots himself... in self defense. Eesh. Methinks he slides.
You're probably right. But if Chicago lets Briggs go, they may have to reach.
The later in the round teams are tough as need doesn't match with talent all that well. If Sidney Rice weren't going back to school, I can see the Colts taking a chance as they need a good #3 for now with the potential for #1 as Harrison ages.
Probably so. Buffalo would be a good spot if Clements leaves. Still, the teams where he'd go higher seemed to have other more pressing needs.
I had a hard time tracking down the criminal record of the remaining picks.
The Cowboys perplex me every year.
And top 10 was high for Donte Whitner. There's going to be some reaches for fast rising stars. Jacksonville has a track record in such regards.
There may be a riot if they don't. I feel bad for Carr. I think in the right situation, he would have made it but I believe his psyche is too damaged now to be an effective NFL QB.Would there be a riot in Houston if they draft a QB first this year?
I think Poz will be this year's DeMeco Ryans. As in a guy that doesn't have top measurables, but makes plays all over the field.
Hey! There's the Bengal I was looking for!Despite being dismissed from the team for wielding a helmet as a weapon...
I'm unconvinced.
Nice work.At first glance I would have Houston taking Branch instead of Landry, Washington taking Adams instead of Branch, and heck, let's give Carolina Landry.NE takes Buster Davis WR and Balitmore takes Buster Davis LB?I think Posluszny is too high.Love Spencer to the Steelers. Any 3-4 team looking for an OLB will be happy this year.Russell will go way higher than 24 if he comes out.Do the Boys need another DE with Spears, Canty, and Hatcher?I think Lynch is better than #21, but I can see a scenario where he falls that far, and the Jets would have to elated to get him.More thoughts on this later...Im getting close to doing my first mock, but the middle of the first is so muddled that I want to wait one more week to see how things will sort out.Andy Dufresne said:
There are two Buster Davis's that could be first rounders. Im curious as to whether this was intentional or not.
Maybe. And probably. Went a bit too fast on that one.
Ooops. Give the Patriots Cason instead.
A reach? Yes. But they're starting Brandon Chillar. Read that twice.
It seems like every DE in the nation is now characterized as a "tweener" that translates better to the OLB in a 3-4. Aggrivating.
Probably. But with this draft order, I have a had time saying to who.
Yes. Everything I've seen and read says that they are VERY disappointed with their DE's this year. They could use a FS, but the options are Weddel or Merriweather, which I can't see them taking in the first.
So do I. But again, given this order, I can see him falling too.
you're probably right. I went through this pretty quickly. But at the same time, their safeties are WRETCHED. It would be a surprise, but it wouldn't shock me.
Landry won't get by the Vikings if he's available.
Stupid copy and paste buffer.
I would love to see Houston trade up to take Quinn. But it's more likely that they get a starting QB in free agency (read: Jake Plummer).Who would Tampa be trading up for?
I disagree.
He played himself out of the first round this year.
Nope.
Moses stock has fallen a lot this year. I don't expect him to go in the top 20 unless he absolutely aces the pre-draft period.
I have him going higher then what I'm about to suggest in the Mock I'm posting later today, but Carolina at 11 would be a good spot.
Yes. Everything I've seen and read says that they are VERY disappointed with their DE's this year. They could use a FS, but the options are Weddel or Merriweather, which I can't see them taking in the first.
I don't think either will be a first rounder, but I wouldnt automatically scoff at a mock for having them at the end of the first. What specifically did you disagree with?
I agree with that, but Carriker is not a rush end, he's a classic 3-4 DE.
I toyed with that. But I can't see them cutting bait with Delhomme after one down year. It's a definite possibility though. I have thought the Eagles may take him as well, depending on Donovan's rehab.
The Cowboys befuddle me. They always seem to be drafting at a spot that has no value for their needs. Carriker was put in there more for discussion than anything, I guess.
I think Ginn does have a bust risk, but man it would be interesting for VY to have someone that can get behind a defense effortlessly when he scrambles. We know VY can flick the ball 50+ yards on the run with little exertion. If he has a guy that can just run under anything he flings up there, that will be scary - Ginn's bust risk seems to be concentrated on things like getting off the line against the jam, routes, and generally the physical/contact side of being a WR - if a team drafts him to be the designated streaker in the scramble drill and otherwise occupy the minds of the safeties, and that team has a QB that has the arm to use him to his fullest capacity in that role, the risk would be minimized, imo.
Joe Thomas to the Raiders mixes things up a bit, eh? And the Cardinals are really screwing themselves with all this winning nonsense.
I didn't mean to scoff. Apologies if it came across that way. I think that Buster the Linebacker has a good chance to go near the top of round 2, so "no," round 1 is not out of reach. However, I happen to think Buster the Receiver will be lucky to go on Day 1 and has no chance to be taken ahead of Robert Meachem.
It didn't.
No, I didn't mean "Buster" Davis the WR. I fixed the pick to the Patriots. They now get Antoine Cason so they can have at least one CB on their roster.
I like this pick and would mock it exactly the same. If you're gonna break the bank on a #1, might as well be a QB, and we know the cupboard is bare at the position in Motown.Andy Dufresne said:
This is definitely possible (Hall breaking the top 5), but he will have to be impeccable in the pre-draft period. Otherwise, I see them looking at Branch or Adams.
This will one of the best debates of the pre-draft period - who will be the first FS off the board?
Glenn Dorsey will be the 2nd DT taken if he comes out. McDonald's versatility is nice, but I dont think he's a first rounder as a DE or a DT - will the fact that he's a first day talent at both vault him into the first - it will if a 3-4 team is looking for an end. I really like Pitcock, but I wonder if his lack of any elite measureable or aspect of his game will hurt his draft stock. Tyler will be a terrific run stuffer. It's just nuts that the 05 NC State line could produce four first rounders.
Quinn. I don't think they're sold on Simms or Gradkowski (sp?) and would love to add a franchise QB.
Agreed on Meachem making the first if he comes out. Buster the receiver shouldnt go earlier than the 3rd, but his value is more in his measureables than his actual performance, so some team could fall in love with the athlete and see what he *could* be at WR with some polish and toughness, and get him into the 2nd round.
I think you're on to something...
Good guesses on the top 6 teams... The picks certainly aren't locked in yet, but this is about as best as you could guess it will fall out.Also I agree that Detroit will take Quinn. His value will only go up after scouts see his measurables.I think Oakland will either take Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson. With Jake Long and Sam Baker both likely coming back for their Senior seasons it will weaken a class of O Lineman and make it less likely Oak-town can find a stud OT later in the draft. Thomas and Johnson are both sure things in an offense that definitly needs one. Reaching on JaMarcus Russell here would be a mistake IMO. This offense is an O Line and capable WR away from doing anythnig.Tampa Bay could reasonably take whichever player listed above that Oakland does not take, considering they have a need for both. I could see them trying to get Gaines Adams if they are unhappy with Simeon Rice.Arizona would kill for Joe Thomas, but I don't think he falls. I don't think the right pick would be another DB. I've seen this trend of taking back to back 1st Round CB's and I can't say I'm a fan. The biggest hole for the Cards is Safety opposite Adrian Wilson. Im' a big fan of Landry, but I think they'll go with either Levi Brown or Gaines Adams.Houston will take Adrian Peterson if he is available. There are two schools of thought as to why they didn't take Bush...1) Kubiak thinks he can plug anyone back there (ala the Denver Broncos)2) The Texans brass didn't feel as if Bush could be an everydown RBI'm going with #2... Given this year's horrific running game, I would think at the very least Kubiak would want to avoid being fired for passing on this stud... after all, there are no stud O Linemen here and their D is very young and solid.Cleveland will take A-Pete if he's on the board... if not Alan Brach or Leon Hall.Andy Dufresne said:
Even after drafting Gabe Watson & Jon Lewis last year?
Ah! Very true. Good thinking.
It's very very early, but I see a storyline emerging with four teams needing a QB in the worst way (DET, OAK, HOU, TB), but only one franchise QB (Quinn). So we can open up two big questions:1) We know that Detroit or Oakland will get the #1. One of them will lose both remaining games, and both have a weaker schedule than TB. So, would they trade down (seems smart considering that strategy got SD to where they are today), and if so, who would they trade down with? My current prediction is that Tampa re-signs Simms, Houston trades for Plummer, and whichever of DET/OAK picks first ends with Quinn because they can't move the pick. 2) This also opens up the possibility that Russell moves into the top 5 because there are so many teams that need a franchise QB. How far-fetched is it that JaMarcus is looked at as a franchise QB once teams get a good look at him? He definitely has the kind of tools that could make a team only see the best-case scenario when evaluating him.I think you're on to something...
Lewis is a negligible part of their future plans.Watson is good depth in a rotation, but he hasn't lived up to his potential - it seems like the league did the right thing letting him fall out of the first day.Adams does seem more likely than Branch, because Berry and Okeafor are both on the wrong side of 30. On Branch - he's the kind DT that you can build your defense around (think Richard Seymour), so I wouldnt hesitate to slot him to a team with anything less than outstanding DTs. He's definitely one of the top 6 or 7 players in this draft if he comes out, and the kind of talent that you take regardless of your current state at his position.
It would be just like Detroit to F this up and win a game. But even with their obvious QB need I think recent history plays against the Lions selecting a QB at the #1 slot. That's why I think they'll trade out of the number one spot, if they get it.Marianelli is a defensive minded coach and the recent flops of offensive 1st round picks have been devestating on this franchise. Add to that the enormous amount of money a #1 overall QB costs and I think you'll see Detroit doing everything it can to trade out of this spot.My feeling right now is that it will be Tampa stepping up to make this trade. I'm sure they feel like this season was an abberation and that this will be their best opportunity in a long time to select a QB like Quinn in the draft.Detroit will use Tampa's 1st rounder on a defensive player and any extra picks to fill the numerous holes on the team.It's very very early, but I see a storyline emerging with four teams needing a QB in the worst way (DET, OAK, HOU, TB), but only one franchise QB (Quinn). So we can open up two big questions:1) We know that Detroit or Oakland will get the #1. One of them will lose both remaining games, and both have a weaker schedule than TB. So, would they trade down (seems smart considering that strategy got SD to where they are today), and if so, who would they trade down with? My current prediction is that Tampa re-signs Simms, Houston trades for Plummer, and whichever of DET/OAK picks first ends with Quinn because they can't move the pick. 2) This also opens up the possibility that Russell moves into the top 5 because there are so many teams that need a franchise QB. How far-fetched is it that JaMarcus is looked at as a franchise QB once teams get a good look at him? He definitely has the kind of tools that could make a team only see the best-case scenario when evaluating him.I think you're on to something...
Well...1) He hasn't proven that he can stay healthy2) He still has some identifiable flaws, especially his performance under duress3) His family has a long connection with Louisville and he may have a strong loyalty to the program4) Louisville has to feel like they were *this close* to playing for the title when they reflect on the loss at Rutgers. Brohm coming back could get Bush to come back, and they will be returning most if not all of their major pieces.5) If Brohm has a good year in 2007 at Louisville, he would be poised to be the #1 overall pick - there aren't any Junior QBs I see that would rival him for #1 QB next year.If I were advising Brohm, I'd tell him to come back, but your point is well taken. Brohm has the arm, the frame, and the brain to be a franchise QB. The fact that so many bottom dwellers need a QB could get him into the top 5 despite his flaws - he would be just as likely as Russell to get into the top 5 based on that factor - although I would like him for Tampa a lot more than I would like him for Houston.And why in the world would Brian Brohm go back to school?
I meant OTHER than those reasons....Well...1) He hasn't proven that he can stay healthy2) He still has some identifiable flaws, especially his performance under duress3) His family has a long connection with Louisville and he may have a strong loyalty to the program4) Louisville has to feel like they were *this close* to playing for the title when they reflect on the loss at Rutgers. Brohm coming back could get Bush to come back, and they will be returning most if not all of their major pieces.5) If Brohm has a good year in 2007 at Louisville, he would be poised to be the #1 overall pick - there aren't any Junior QBs I see that would rival him for #1 QB next year.And why in the world would Brian Brohm go back to school?
Assuming that quality players are available (big assumption), I see Dallas' draft board to be: 1) NT; very close #2) pass rusher; distant #3) interior offensive lineman; close #4) free safety.Dallas has no legit backup NT. Ferguson is 30+. Parcells loves collecting defensive front seven guys with first rounders.
They're also starting Jimmy Kennedy. Read that one twice!A DT that could hold his own versus the run would be another way to improve the Rams' smallish LB corps.
overall. My favorite thread lately."Championship!"His stock will go up assuming Louisville doesn't have to face 1+ real tough non-conference opponentAnd why in the world would Brian Brohm go back to school?
I disagree. Russell, Ainge, Brennan, Henne, Woodson, and Booty could all put together a season in 07 that would endear them to being the #1 selection overall just as easily as Brohm could.Well...5) If Brohm has a good year in 2007 at Louisville, he would be poised to be the #1 overall pick - there aren't any Junior QBs I see that would rival him for #1 QB next year.And why in the world would Brian Brohm go back to school?
Who would you have them take?
Ok, Russell could definitely rival him for #1 - I am just assuming he's coming out this year. The rest of the guys would have to greatly step up their game to pass Brohm. Henne has been too streaky and doesnt have an ideal frame. Ainge, I just can't get that excited about - he's got a lanky mantis-like frame and just hasn't really made a big impression in the games Ive seen. Brennan is interesting... but hard to see him having a better year than this year, and he's still not on the Brohm/Russell level. Booty has terrific intangibles but is just not a franchise QB physically. He could be another Brees (without Brees hyperaccuracy of course). Woodson is the most interesting name you brought up. Unlike the rest of the others you named (except Russell), he does have the physical profile of a franchise QB. He came out of nowhere this year, and I think the NFL scouts could fall in love with him if he has a great 2007.But can we at least agree that Brohm is the most likely to put together a 2007 to vault him to #1 overall in 08? If Brohm comes back and has a good 2007, then any of those other guys would have to have an astronomical year to pass him.I disagree. Russell, Ainge, Brennan, Henne, Woodson, and Booty could all put together a season in 07 that would endear them to being the #1 selection overall just as easily as Brohm could.Well...5) If Brohm has a good year in 2007 at Louisville, he would be poised to be the #1 overall pick - there aren't any Junior QBs I see that would rival him for #1 QB next year.And why in the world would Brian Brohm go back to school?
You mean like Young did to Leinart?
