The incredible feat.... (1 Viewer)

[Sinrman]

Was mentioned a few times when he got injured, but it seems to have fallen off the radar. I refuse to let this disappear after 11 straight seasons of 1000+ yards. I give you..... Curtis "I'll Soon Be In The Hall Of Fame" Martin!

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1132

Not a Pats or Jets fan at all, but Curtis Martin has quietly and consistently put together one of the greatest feats I can think of. It's a shame that he got injured, and couldn't finish the last 4 games to take a crack at 1,000 again. Not sure he would have, as badly as the Jets played, and that he still needed 265 yards, but hey, it would have been nice to see him try for it....

 

[ImTheScientist]

Was mentioned a few times when he got injured, but it seems to have fallen off the radar.  I refuse to let this disappear after 11 straight seasons of 1000+ yards.  I give you..... Curtis "I'll Soon Be In The Hall Of Fame" Martin!

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1132

Not a Pats or Jets fan at all, but Curtis Martin has quietly and consistently put together one of the greatest feats I can think of.  It's a shame that he got injured, and couldn't finish the last 4 games to take a crack at 1,000 again.  Not sure he would have, as badly as the Jets played, and that he still needed 265 yards, but hey, it would have been nice to see him try for it....

 

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Are we going to just start giving every player who is able to stay healthy and accumulate stats entry into the HOF? What a joke. He was good but not great. Sayers, Sanders, Brown ..... Martin (not even in the HOF league)..... you should

 

[Bri]

Was mentioned a few times when he got injured, but it seems to have fallen off the radar.  I refuse to let this disappear after 11 straight seasons of 1000+ yards.  I give you..... Curtis "I'll Soon Be In The Hall Of Fame" Martin!

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1132

Not a Pats or Jets fan at all, but Curtis Martin has quietly and consistently put together one of the greatest feats I can think of.  It's a shame that he got injured, and couldn't finish the last 4 games to take a crack at 1,000 again.  Not sure he would have, as badly as the Jets played, and that he still needed 265 yards, but hey, it would have been nice to see him try for it....

 

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Are we going to just start giving every player who is able to stay healthy and accumulate stats entry into the HOF? What a joke. He was good but not great. Sayers, Sanders, Brown ..... Martin (not even in the HOF league)..... you should
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Curtis is a lock

 

[Wadsworth]

Jimmy Smith would have a similar streak going if it wasn't for the 4 games suspension. And I sure don't consider him a lock.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1236

 

[Mike Anderson]

And here I thought it was that the Titan TE's almost set the All-Time record for most total TE receptions in a season.

 

[Bri]

Jimmy Smith would have a similar streak going if it wasn't for the 4 games suspension. And I sure don't consider him a lock.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1236

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he's not a RB

 

[cstu]

Jimmy Smith would have a similar streak going if it wasn't for the 4 games suspension. And I sure don't consider him a lock.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1236

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If Art Monk doesn't get in then I don't see much hope for Jimmy Smith, unless the Jags win the Super Bowl.

 

[Keys Myaths]

My girlfriend is 5'1, 110, but she wears size 9 shoes...

Those are some incredible feat.

 

[crush304]

My girlfriend is 5'1, 110, but she wears size 9 shoes...

Those are some incredible feat.

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you know what the say about big feet

 

[Wadsworth]

Jimmy Smith would have a similar streak going if it wasn't for the 4 games suspension. And I sure don't consider him a lock.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1236

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If Art Monk doesn't get in then I don't see much hope for Jimmy Smith, unless the Jags win the Super Bowl.
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Monk's last few years he was a shadow of himself. Jimmy is slowed, but is coming off a 1,000 season and might have a little left in the tank. Their career stats are very similar now. Jimmy might be able to pad his stats to a point he gets in over Monk, but I think it would take a good deal more. Monk played in a less pass happy era, had more post season games, played in a bigger media market, and was never suspended for drug use. But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

 

[Keys Myaths]

My girlfriend is 5'1, 110, but she wears size 9 shoes...

Those are some incredible feat.

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you know what the say about big feet
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[Bri]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

 

[Footballhead]

And what about all those useless yards Emmitt was racking up which was not helping his team at all, just so he can pad his stats further. This is a kin to that basketball game where the girl made the extra pass so she can break her highschool record. That's why all the respect to Jim Brown and Barry Sanders....they don;t need stats to tell how great there were.

 

[Texasmouth]

My girlfriend is 5'1, 110, but she wears size 9 shoes...

Those are some incredible feat.

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Hobbit.com down?

 

[beachbum]

in addition to his obvious stats, Curtis Martin remains the best pass-blocking RB of any of the guys above him on the rushing list: Emmitt, Dickerson, Sanders simply don't compare... Sweetness is his peer in that regard, but then Payton was the greatest... also, Martin doesn't fumble and is the toughest SOB at his position (again, Payton-esque as Curtis' streak attested)... first ballot HOF

 

[Bri]

And what about all those useless yards Emmitt was racking up which was not helping his team at all, just so he can pad his stats further.  This is a kin to that basketball game where the girl made the extra pass so she can break her highschool record.  That's why all the respect to Jim Brown and Barry Sanders....they don;t need stats to tell how great there were.

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How do you figure? 2 years ago Martin led the league in rushing. He had to bow out after that and couldn't play last year?

 

[Spike]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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[Boston]

I remember when the Pats didn't match the Jets offer...at the time they were concerned about the longevity of a workhorse RB. Ouch!!!

I never understand why some people insist on degrading players because they either had a long and very productive career or played with other great players. They act like any stiff can walk into these situations and produce which is absolutely false.

As for Curtis he's a 100% HOFer. No ifs ands doubts about it. His numbers speak for themself. I think an area that people get confused is mixing in a Hall of Famer like Martin or Bettis with an absolute All Time great like Payton, Sanders or Jim Brown. While all will be in Canton there is a difference in their levels of greatness. Bill Simmons wrote an article about this with regard to baseball and it's a great read if anyone can dig it up.

 

[ImTheScientist]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

 

[beachbum]

How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been.  1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great.

Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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Scientist, I respect and appreciate your mentioning our culture's elevation of mediocrity, but your allusion highlights EXACTLY why Curtis Martin will be a first ballot HOF... he's not hype; he's not the swizzle: he's the steakwhen any of Martin's peers (who have actually had to play against him on defense) are asked their estimation of him, they say he brings it; everything he's got, every play, no let-up... that relentless approach to the game generates not only stats, but respect from peers who have to defense and tackle him

ask any opposing defensive coordinator over the past ten years, and they'll say that when they faced curtis martin, they prepared their guys for a tough, physical game against a back who runs, catches and blocks with exceptional effort, execution and production... that's enormous pressure on a defense and exactly what deserves recognition in the HOF

 

[zamboni]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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I think you're severely discounting how hard it is to put up 1000 yards for TEN straight seasons. One or two years, I agree that's no great shakes, but ten years is unbelievable for a position where five consecutive great years is quite an accomplishment.

 

[glock]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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10 consecutive seasons over 1000 yards is not average. You can look it up.

 

[WampusCat43]

Highest passer rating in NFL history!

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

My girlfriend is 5'1, 110, but she wears size 9 shoes...

Those are some incredible feat.

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you know what the say about big feet
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They wear big socks?

 

[*****]

Among Martin's ten seasons were season yardage totals of 1487, 1464, 1513, and 1697.

He has approached or exceeded 1500 yards four times in his career. That ain't chopped liver, that's nearly 40% of the time. He has one rushing title and finished in the top 3 in rushing at least three other times (BTW, Emmit only finished top 3 five times).

By comparison Marshall Faulk has no rushing titles and finsihed in the top three zero times. Head to head, Martin out-rushed Faulk 7 out of the 9 seasons they both played in the league. Many think Marshall was the best RB of his era but he never rushed for more than 1382 yards in a season. Faulk only topped 1100 yards four times. Martin beat Faulk's best year four times and topped 1100 yards NINE times.

I hate the "best RB of his era" argument. As if Barry Sanders and Jim Brown playing in the same era would somehow preclude one of them for membership in the HOF. I am not knocking Marshall--I just hate the best RB of his era argument.

Martin's contemporaries are Faulk, Holmes and Edgerrin James. In their best individual seasons, they each sometimes managed to outshine Martin. Usually, they did not. Arguably, over the last ten years, Martin was actually the best back in football. Some seasons he was topped by other performances but over that span and within some individual seasons (particularly 2001 and 2005), he was great.

(Note: I don't really consider Emmitt Smith his true contemporary. Though Emmit Smith was still highly productive during the first half of Martin's career, Smith's best seasons were pre-Martin--Martin and Smith outrushed each other twice in the four years between '96 and '99 and Smith declined after that).

Martin's greatness is different than that of Sanders, Smith, Holmes, Faulk and James. There is room for honoring that type of greatness. He is not just a Vinny Testaverde who stuck around a while. He performed at superior level for a long time. That is just as worthy of enshrinement as say Gayle Sayers' meteoric career.

 

[zamboni]

Among Martin's ten seasons were season yardage totals of 1487, 1464, 1513, and 1697. 

He has approached or exceeded 1500 yards four times in his career.  That ain't chopped liver, that's nearly 40% of the time.  He has one rushing title and finished in the top 3 in rushing at least three other times.

By comparison Marshall Faulk has no rushing titles and finsihed in the top three zero times.  Head to head, Martin out-rushed Faulk 7 out of the 9 seasons they both played in the league.  Many think Marshall was the best RB of his era but he never rushed for more than 1382 yards in a season.  Faulk only topped 1100 yards four times.  Martin beat Faulk's best year four times and topped 1100 yards NINE times.

I hate the "best RB of his era" argument.  As if Barry Sanders and Jim Brown playing in the same era would somehow preclude one of them for membership in the HOF.  I am not knocking Marshall--I just hate the best RB of his era argument.

Martin's contemporaries are Faulk, Holmes and Edgerrin James.  In their best individual seasons, they each sometimes managed to outshine Martin.  Usually, they did not.  Arguably, over the last ten years, Martin was actually the best back in football.  Some seasons he was topped by other performances but over that span and within some individual seasons (particularly 2001 and 2005), he was great.

(Note: I don't really consider Emmitt Smith his true contemporary.  Though Emmit Smith was still highly productive during the first half of Martin's career, Smith's best seasons were pre-Martin--Martin and Smith outrushed each other twice in the four years between '96 and '99 and Smith declined after that).

Martin's greatness is different than that of Sanders, Smith, Holmes, Faulk and James.  There is room for honoring that type of greatness.  He is not just a Vinny Testaverde who stuck around a while.  He performed at superior level for a long time.  That is just as worthy of enshrinement as say Gayle Sayers' meteoric career.

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Extremely

 

[thayman]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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2004 when he won the rushing title.....The rushing title goes to the RB who gets the most yards in a year......

 

[thayman]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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If you think putting up over 1000 yds for 10 YEARS STRAIGHT is average.....wow what's your definition of great???

 

[glock]

Among Martin's ten seasons were season yardage totals of 1487, 1464, 1513, and 1697. 

He has approached or exceeded 1500 yards four times in his career.  That ain't chopped liver, that's nearly 40% of the time.  He has one rushing title and finished in the top 3 in rushing at least three other times.

By comparison Marshall Faulk has no rushing titles and finsihed in the top three zero times.  Head to head, Martin out-rushed Faulk 7 out of the 9 seasons they both played in the league.  Many think Marshall was the best RB of his era but he never rushed for more than 1382 yards in a season.  Faulk only topped 1100 yards four times.  Martin beat Faulk's best year four times and topped 1100 yards NINE times.

I hate the "best RB of his era" argument.  As if Barry Sanders and Jim Brown playing in the same era would somehow preclude one of them for membership in the HOF.  I am not knocking Marshall--I just hate the best RB of his era argument.

Martin's contemporaries are Faulk, Holmes and Edgerrin James.  In their best individual seasons, they each sometimes managed to outshine Martin.  Usually, they did not.  Arguably, over the last ten years, Martin was actually the best back in football.  Some seasons he was topped by other performances but over that span and within some individual seasons (particularly 2001 and 2005), he was great.

(Note: I don't really consider Emmitt Smith his true contemporary.  Though Emmit Smith was still highly productive during the first half of Martin's career, Smith's best seasons were pre-Martin--Martin and Smith outrushed each other twice in the four years between '96 and '99 and Smith declined after that).

Martin's greatness is different than that of Sanders, Smith, Holmes, Faulk and James.  There is room for honoring that type of greatness.  He is not just a Vinny Testaverde who stuck around a while.  He performed at superior level for a long time.  That is just as worthy of enshrinement as say Gayle Sayers' meteoric career.

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Extremely
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:seconded:

 

[Sinrman]

Among Martin's ten seasons were season yardage totals of 1487, 1464, 1513, and 1697. 

He has approached or exceeded 1500 yards four times in his career.  That ain't chopped liver, that's nearly 40% of the time.  He has one rushing title and finished in the top 3 in rushing at least three other times (BTW, Emmit only finished top 3 five times).

By comparison Marshall Faulk has no rushing titles and finsihed in the top three zero times.  Head to head, Martin out-rushed Faulk 7 out of the 9 seasons they both played in the league.  Many think Marshall was the best RB of his era but he never rushed for more than 1382 yards in a season.  Faulk only topped 1100 yards four times.  Martin beat Faulk's best year four times and topped 1100 yards NINE times.

I hate the "best RB of his era" argument.  As if Barry Sanders and Jim Brown playing in the same era would somehow preclude one of them for membership in the HOF.  I am not knocking Marshall--I just hate the best RB of his era argument.

Martin's contemporaries are Faulk, Holmes and Edgerrin James.  In their best individual seasons, they each sometimes managed to outshine Martin.  Usually, they did not.  Arguably, over the last ten years, Martin was actually the best back in football.  Some seasons he was topped by other performances but over that span and within some individual seasons (particularly 2001 and 2005), he was great.

(Note: I don't really consider Emmitt Smith his true contemporary.  Though Emmit Smith was still highly productive during the first half of Martin's career, Smith's best seasons were pre-Martin--Martin and Smith outrushed each other twice in the four years between '96 and '99 and Smith declined after that).

Martin's greatness is different than that of Sanders, Smith, Holmes, Faulk and James.  There is room for honoring that type of greatness.  He is not just a Vinny Testaverde who stuck around a while.  He performed at superior level for a long time.  That is just as worthy of enshrinement as say Gayle Sayers' meteoric career.

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I mean DURN... when I started the thread, I didn't expect Martin to get the flack that some have given him here. What you said above pretty much puts all of the doubters to bed...

Whether you have some chip on your shoulder and dislike Martin for some reason, didn't like where he played, he kicked your puppy, or whatever... he's a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. No ifs, ands, or buts. He's an absolute lock, as absolute can be. He's been, and one of the points of my even bringing it up, one of the most consistent backs throughout his career. Sure there have been many more "flashy" backs out there like Emmitt, Barry, etc. But this guy has been as consistent as they come, and if you ask ANY coach out there, they'd take a Curtis Martin and his consistency over a back that has two or three monster seasons. I'll bet you money on that. As one person mentioned earlier, he's one of the best blocking RBs as well. He brings a winning attitude. He brings experience. He's stayed out of trouble throughout his career.

What more could you ask for?!

 

[*****]

1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great.

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Martin didn't just pass 1000 yards for each of ten straight seasons. That's just the benchmark through which his accomplishments are filtered. He rushed for 1100 yards in 9 of those 10 consecutive seasons. He rushed for 1200 yards in 7 of 10 of those seasons. He rushed for 1300 yards in 5 of 10 of those seasons. Meaning, he usually did way more than the minimum.Martin's average yards per game has been 84/game (way above 68/gm)...and it stacks up pretty well against other highly regarded backs.

HOF Backs Below Martin Per Game Yards

Marcus Allen's average yards per game was 56/game.

Gayle Sayers's average yards per game was 72/game.

Tony Dorsett's average yards per game was 74/game.

Emmit Smith's average yards per game was 81/game.

Earl Campbell's average yards per game was 81/game.

OJ Simpson's average yards per game was 83/game.

HOF Backs Better than Martin Per Game Yards

Barry Sanders average yards per game was 99 /game.

Jim Brown's average yards per game was 104/game.

Eric Dickerson's average yards per game was 91/game.

Walter Payton's average yards per game was 88/game.

I'm not trying to pile on. I actually find Martin's career to be pretty interesting for purposes of analysis.

 

[trader jake]

10 consecutive seasons over 1000 yards is not average. You can look it up.

 

[slayer666]

17,430 total yards (rushing/receiving) and 100 touchdowns.

Curtis Martin has averaged 103.75 total yards per game during his career (168 games). He has averaged 1584 total yards per season during his career (11 seasons).

I can't buy the "he's average" argument. Curtis Martin is a :IBTL: for the Pro Football HOF.

 

[Bri]

hey *****,

you left out one interesting Faulk Martin point that I think is special. Martin came in the league after Faulk and yet "caught" and passed Faulk on the all time rushing list while both were active.

Barry retired long before Emmitt did and well there's just not much to compare it to. Just seems special with tow stars playing at the same time and one passing the other

 

[Assani Fisher]

How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been.  1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great.

Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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Scientist, I respect and appreciate your mentioning our culture's elevation of mediocrity, but your allusion highlights EXACTLY why Curtis Martin will be a first ballot HOF... he's not hype; he's not the swizzle: he's the steakwhen any of Martin's peers (who have actually had to play against him on defense) are asked their estimation of him, they say he brings it; everything he's got, every play, no let-up... that relentless approach to the game generates not only stats, but respect from peers who have to defense and tackle him

ask any opposing defensive coordinator over the past ten years, and they'll say that when they faced curtis martin, they prepared their guys for a tough, physical game against a back who runs, catches and blocks with exceptional effort, execution and production... that's enormous pressure on a defense and exactly what deserves recognition in the HOF

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Was there any year in his career when you think he was the best RB in the league?How about 2nd best? How about 3rd best?

 

[Assani Fisher]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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If you think putting up over 1000 yds for 10 YEARS STRAIGHT is average.....wow what's your definition of great???
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I think that he was consistently above average, but never great. The HOF is for great players imho.But I'm tough to please in this regard...I think that at very least 1/2 of the current guys in the HOF don't belong in it.

 

[Z-Dog]

Doesn't seem like you're willing to quantify thise high standards though. If you do, I think you'd hve a tough time creating criteria that kept Martin out, but kept in plyers like Faulk or Sayers.

 

[thayman]

But back to Martin. He's played his whole career in big media markets. I think that will push him over in the end. Unless of course he just continues to rip off 1,000 yard seasons, then it's a non-issue.

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He doesn't need pushing though. His 1000 yard streak is comparable to Sweetness, Emmitt, and Barry. When talking RB stats, what better players are there to compare him to? He led the league in rushing, twice he was second and his rookie year he was 3rd.

He's 3rd all time in carries, 4th in yards, 7th in yards from scrimmage and 10 in TDs.

On top of all that he is one of the highest character people in the NFL held in extremely high regard by other teams and not just his own.

I'm sorry but what more do you want?

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been. 1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great. Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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If you think putting up over 1000 yds for 10 YEARS STRAIGHT is average.....wow what's your definition of great???
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I think that he was consistently above average, but never great. The HOF is for great players imho.But I'm tough to please in this regard...I think that at very least 1/2 of the current guys in the HOF don't belong in it.

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Marting is currently 4th in All-Time Rushing Leaders. 1168 yds behind Barry Sanders. 16th in total TD's 9 behind Sanders. Tied for 9th with Dickerson in Rushing TD's. What more could you possibly want from a Hall of Famer??I agree with you that the NFL HOF lets alot of guys in, that probably don't belong there, but C-Mart is not one of them.

 

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Was there any year in his career when you think he was the best RB in the league?

How about 2nd best? How about 3rd best?

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Kurt Warner had two seasons where he was clearly the best QB in the league- a claim very few QBs can make. So suddenly Kurt Warner is a lock for the hall of fame, according to your standards, and Curtis Martin is sitting on the sideline?Players should be rewarded for consistant excellence. Not "consistent aboveaverageness", but CONSISTANT EXCELLENCE. Martin was always one of the top 5 or 10 RBs in the league for 10 straight seasons. It's not like he was just a good back who accumulated stats. He led the league in rushing two years ago!

This is clearly not a case like Vinny Testeverde, where he was just good enough to hang on in the NFL, so don't try to pretend the two situations are comparable.

 

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been.  1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great.

Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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2004 when he won the rushing title.....The rushing title goes to the RB who gets the most yards in a year......
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I like Curtis Martin and all, but winning the rushing title doesn't automatically grant you Best RB in the NFL. That year he only beat Alexander by one yard, had 4.6 YPC vs Alexander's 4.8, and only 14 touchdowns to Alexanders 20. I'll trade six touchdowns for one yard anyday.... fantasy or otherwise.

 

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How many MVPs?? When was Martin the best RB in the league??? ...........He never has been.  1000 yards rushing is no longer a good judge of how good a RB is.... 68 yards per game gets you 1000 yards rushing.... is that really great.

Just let everyone in I guess...... must make people feel good ..... this is america though, and we love to reward people for being average.

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2004 when he won the rushing title.....The rushing title goes to the RB who gets the most yards in a year......
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I like Curtis Martin and all, but winning the rushing title doesn't automatically grant you Best RB in the NFL. That year he only beat Alexander by one yard, had 4.6 YPC vs Alexander's 4.8, and only 14 touchdowns to Alexanders 20. I'll trade six touchdowns for one yard anyday.... fantasy or otherwise.
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I was just responding to when he could be considered the "Best RB in the NFL". One could argue that the RB with the most yards was the best RB that particular year.(I do agree with you that I'll take the extra TD's)