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The Lauren Boebert Thread (1 Viewer)

It’s hard for me to envision a more salacious and unsavory accusation of a woman than while she was a married mother of four, she was also a prostitute and aborted babies fathered by her johns. Though highly unlikely, I guess it’s possible there is truth to the story. But if not, and the perpetrators made it up out of whole cloth, I hope she takes them for all they’re worth. 
If I’m understanding the claims correctly, the first abortion took place in 2004, which would have been before her first child was born.  And the second was in 2008 or 2009, between the birth of her first child and her second.

I don’t want to see pro-choice people shaming Boebert over this.  If true it’s decisions she made with choices pro-choice people want her to have.  And while I disagree with this line of thinking, I could see how someone could have two abortions and be traumatized by that and then become super religious and anti-abortion because she’s wouldn’t want another woman to go through what she did.  

I’m not sure what to make of the allegations as a whole.  The group making them had the goods on Madison Cawthorn and said Boebert was next on their list.  But that’s still a small track record. 

Boebert’s past and present is sketchy and Boebert has lied quite a bit about it.  Claimed to be raised in a Democrat household and grew to hate welfare from growing up poor and because of Democrats, but her mother was registered as a Republican throughout Boebert’s childhood.

She’s been arrested a few times, failed to show up in court a couple times.  Didn’t come from money and didn’t have much history of being wise with it.  

Husband has had a couple of overnight stays in jail, one of which was related to an incident where he exposed himself to a couple of teenage girls at a bowling alley, one of which was then-17-year-old Lauren.  

There’s credible allegations she’s misusing campaign funds for personal enrichment and to cover debts on her restaurant.  I don’t know if that’s a crime or if it should be, but if true it doesn’t speak well of her character.

Part of the claim made by the Muckrakers PAC is based on a previously-undisclosed donation to the Boebert campaign from a Ted Cruz PAC, made at a time when there didn’t seem to be any known connection between Boebert and Cruz and little reason to hide the donation.  It’s possible the donation could have been tied to a stunt Boebert pulled at a Beto O’Rourke rally to raise her profile and try to harm Beto’s Presidential campaign, with Cruz and Beto being enemies and all.  While I’ve never met Cruz personally, I’ve observed his work for a long time and been in the same room as him, he doesn’t strike me as lecherous nor has any history I know of about infidelity or sexual harassment. 

There’s also a piece of the Muckrakers info claiming to tie Boebert as a client of a member of the Koch family.  The Kochs have longtime ties to Aspen, have hundreds of millions in real estate there, could see a situation where Republicans would use that area as a retreat and bring in hookers, but that doesn’t mean Boebert was one of them or that a Koch was a john.  

So, I don’t instantly believe the escort claims but I’m not instantly dismissive of them.  I’m inclined to believe the abortions really happened because the timelines are good matches, but if she thought she was making the right decisions to have them that’s her decision.

 
If she had abortions…fine.  The problem is then pushing to demonize others who are pro-choice and working to limit other people from doing that which she chose to do.

 
My understanding was that the Kochs aren't really on the MAGA train. I could have that wrong though, that's just burried somewhere in my brain and I didn't bother checking up on it.

 
BTW, I think prostitution should be legalized. It being illegal is silly and actually makes the situation worse by creating black markets.


Well, now.....here's an opportunity for LBob to actually DO something.  I'm all for legalization of prostitution.  Regulate it, tax it, take away the pimps and crack down on the human trafficking angle.  

 
I blame Pelosi for blocking her bills.  
I :lmao:  when I read the some of the names of the bills she has introduced. She is not a serious member of congress.

Securing Americans from Transportation Insanity Act

We’re Not Paying You To Break Our Laws Act

Stop AOC Act

Stop the Biden Caravan Now Act

Expressing the sense of Congress that retired Lieutenant General Russel Honoré, United States Army, should immediately be relieved of his interim investigative role into the events of January 6, 2021.

 
BTW, I think prostitution should be legalized. It being illegal is silly and actually makes the situation worse by creating black markets.
There are plenty of studies that show the benefits (safer, cleaner) to legalizing it.  I'm indifferent to it. 

 
If I’m understanding the claims correctly, the first abortion took place in 2004, which would have been before her first child was born.  And the second was in 2008 or 2009, between the birth of her first child and her second.

I don’t want to see pro-choice people shaming Boebert over this.  If true it’s decisions she made with choices pro-choice people want her to have.  And while I disagree with this line of thinking, I could see how someone could have two abortions and be traumatized by that and then become super religious and anti-abortion because she’s wouldn’t want another woman to go through what she did.  

I’m not sure what to make of the allegations as a whole.  The group making them had the goods on Madison Cawthorn and said Boebert was next on their list.  But that’s still a small track record. 

Boebert’s past and present is sketchy and Boebert has lied quite a bit about it.  Claimed to be raised in a Democrat household and grew to hate welfare from growing up poor and because of Democrats, but her mother was registered as a Republican throughout Boebert’s childhood.

She’s been arrested a few times, failed to show up in court a couple times.  Didn’t come from money and didn’t have much history of being wise with it.  

Husband has had a couple of overnight stays in jail, one of which was related to an incident where he exposed himself to a couple of teenage girls at a bowling alley, one of which was then-17-year-old Lauren.  

There’s credible allegations she’s misusing campaign funds for personal enrichment and to cover debts on her restaurant.  I don’t know if that’s a crime or if it should be, but if true it doesn’t speak well of her character.

Part of the claim made by the Muckrakers PAC is based on a previously-undisclosed donation to the Boebert campaign from a Ted Cruz PAC, made at a time when there didn’t seem to be any known connection between Boebert and Cruz and little reason to hide the donation.  It’s possible the donation could have been tied to a stunt Boebert pulled at a Beto O’Rourke rally to raise her profile and try to harm Beto’s Presidential campaign, with Cruz and Beto being enemies and all.  While I’ve never met Cruz personally, I’ve observed his work for a long time and been in the same room as him, he doesn’t strike me as lecherous nor has any history I know of about infidelity or sexual harassment. 

There’s also a piece of the Muckrakers info claiming to tie Boebert as a client of a member of the Koch family.  The Kochs have longtime ties to Aspen, have hundreds of millions in real estate there, could see a situation where Republicans would use that area as a retreat and bring in hookers, but that doesn’t mean Boebert was one of them or that a Koch was a john.  

So, I don’t instantly believe the escort claims but I’m not instantly dismissive of them.  I’m inclined to believe the abortions really happened because the timelines are good matches, but if she thought she was making the right decisions to have them that’s her decision.
It appears that the Muckraker PAC’s story has been “evolving”. The press release linked on the first page of this thread doesn’t appear to track the above timeline. But in looking on line, it appears that the Muckraker PAC has issued a revised press release with different details in terms of timing (and also softening the accusation that one of the abortions was from her prostituting on the sugar daddy website).

Edit:  Looking at the revised timeline, the Muckrakers PAC would have you believe that she was working as a prostitute from 2008 when she allegedly had her second abortion (apparently the website was founded in 2007) up through 2019 when she hooked for a Koch brother. All while being married and raising four children. I’m sorry, that just isn’t remotely believable. 

 
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My understanding was that the Kochs aren't really on the MAGA train. I could have that wrong though, that's just burried somewhere in my brain and I didn't bother checking up on it.
Your understanding is correct.  Not onboard the train in terms of funding Trump and MAGA candidates, but not going to campaign against them or fund primary challenges.  I’d be shocked if a Koch-friendly PAC contributed to a Congressperson like Matt Gaetz or Marjorie Taylor Greene, but they aren’t propping up Republicans to run against them, either.  

I would guess the Koch wing would prefer someone like Liz Cheney stay in the Republican Party as a high-ranking member, but aren’t raising much of a stink about the MAGA types trying to get her out of office and removed from the party.

 
It appears that the Muckraker PAC’s story has been “evolving”. The press release linked on the first page of this thread doesn’t appear to track the above timeline. But in looking on line, it appears that the Muckraker PAC has issued a revised press release with different details in terms of timing (and also softening the accusation that one of the abortions was from her prostituting on the sugar daddy website).

Edit:  Looking at the revised timeline, the Muckrakers PAC would have you believe that she was working as a prostitute from 2008 when she allegedly had her second abortion (apparently the website was founded in 2007) up through 2019 when she hooked for a Koch brother. All while being married and raising four children. I’m sorry, that just isn’t remotely believable. 
I didn’t get the same impression you did in your ETA part.  I agree if the claim was Boebert was a working escort for over a decade, I would find that very hard to believe.  I don’t recall the part where they claimed Boebert hooked for a Koch brother, but that’s a tiny detail in the grand scheme of the story.

The unethical/criminal financial stuff about misusing campaign funds seems spot-on, and should be enough to warrant removing her from office.  And I don’t think that behavior is unique to Boebert.  We’ve seen other recent members like Duncan Hunter resign over misuse of funds.  If the nation had aggressive oversight of how members of Congress used campaign contributions, there would be a ton of turnover in both parties. 

Boebert’s previous criminal history seems uncontested.  And independent of the other claims made.  

I am curious what the innocent explanation is for the early connection between Boebert and Ted Cruz is. CO-03 is a pretty safe Republican district that was represented by a Trump supporting anti-abortion climate change denier.  Why did he need to be primaried by a QAnon sympathizer who doesn’t seem to understand how government works and has shown little interest in adhering to the rule of law?  

 
I didn’t get the same impression you did in your ETA part.  I agree if the claim was Boebert was a working escort for over a decade, I would find that very hard to believe.  I don’t recall the part where they claimed Boebert hooked for a Koch brother, but that’s a tiny detail in the grand scheme of the story.
This is the press release from the OP:

https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1536779021010276355?s=21
 

The opening paragraph states that she was an unlicensed paid escort and that “she was paid to ‘escort’ wealthy men.”  Notice how “escort” is placed in quote marks. The very next sentence is “According to our investigation, in 2019, Boebert was hired by a wealthy male client in Aspen, Colorado, who was a Koch family member. Boebert’s rich client subsequently introduced her to U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) in Aspen in 2019.”

The clear implication is that she escorted for wealthy men and the Koch family member was a wealthy male client in 2019. If the truth is that she was hired not as an escort but as a business or political consultant (or some other legitimate non-escort role), the press release is so obviously and intentionally misleading that I completely disregard it on that basis alone. 

 
If she had abortions…fine.  The problem is then pushing to demonize others who are pro-choice and working to limit other people from doing that which she chose to do.
She says she didn't. Are you implying  she is a liar?   Or do you prefer that she had abortions.    Otherwise by your standards you hawk around here your post should have never been posted.

She says she didn't have abortions or have a career as a sex worker.

 
She says she didn't. Are you implying  she is a liar?   Or do you prefer that she had abortions.    Otherwise by your standards you hawk around here your post should have never been posted.

She says she didn't have abortions or have a career as a sex worker.
I only implied of the rumors are true…

It is very possible she is a liar…actually its a sure thing she is a liar on a number of issues.  But this looks to be pretty flimsy rumor.

 
I only implied of the rumors are true…

It is very possible she is a liar…actually its a sure thing she is a liar on a number of issues.  But this looks to be pretty flimsy rumor.
It's possible you aren't strictly blue team.   But the proof that you are open to all ideas is pretty flimsy.    I mean heck you might be a Marxist.   But I'm only implying that.

 
This is the press release from the OP:

https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1536779021010276355?s=21
 

The opening paragraph states that she was an unlicensed paid escort and that “she was paid to ‘escort’ wealthy men.”  Notice how “escort” is placed in quote marks. The very next sentence is “According to our investigation, in 2019, Boebert was hired by a wealthy male client in Aspen, Colorado, who was a Koch family member. Boebert’s rich client subsequently introduced her to U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) in Aspen in 2019.”


What's the natural media counter narrative?

If we are talking practical on the ground media optics strategy. In one of the sex tapes that was released from Hunter Biden's laptops, one of the prostitutes looks quite young. Might be a decent chance she was not someone old enough who would be considered able to give consent here in America.

I don't think Team Blue thinks this all the way through. Wiping out the judicial filibuster, how did that work out? And if Machin and Sinema nuked the filibuster earlier, would the Democrats be prepared when power changed hands and it would be used against them?

Picking off Boebert isn't worth the political capital lost with Biden, who might end up winning the 2024 ticket anyway, and with Gavin Newsom, who keeps getting caught nailing his staffers. If it ends up being Biden again, then does the Democratic Party want to be all smeared as being complicit with a pedophile? The argument will be that Hunter Biden is not in office. OK, neither is Virginia Lamb Thomas. Do you see the problem here?  Every weapon you used can be turned around against you.

Do I want Boebert in elected office? No. She's a liability to all Conservatives. But that does not mean I'm OK with these unsubstantiated claims that essentially demand everyone immediately believe she is the literal definition of a whore.

Every time the Democratic Party tries to sneak one in, it always backfires.

If you are going to roll dirty, at least be competent at it.

 
If their assertations are false, I have to assume Cawthorn will not only be their first take-down, but their last, because they'll get sued into insolvency.


I am not convinced that justice as you describe it is possible.  I would like to believe that is true but I simply cannot accept that it would happen like that. 

 
This is the press release from the OP:

https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1536779021010276355?s=21
 

The opening paragraph states that she was an unlicensed paid escort and that “she was paid to ‘escort’ wealthy men.”  Notice how “escort” is placed in quote marks. The very next sentence is “According to our investigation, in 2019, Boebert was hired by a wealthy male client in Aspen, Colorado, who was a Koch family member. Boebert’s rich client subsequently introduced her to U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) in Aspen in 2019.”

The clear implication is that she escorted for wealthy men and the Koch family member was a wealthy male client in 2019. If the truth is that she was hired not as an escort but as a business or political consultant (or some other legitimate non-escort role), the press release is so obviously and intentionally misleading that I completely disregard it on that basis alone. 
I was drawing the distinction between your use of “Koch brother” as in Charles or David Koch, versus the phrase they actually used “Koch family member” which could be a much wider range of people.  I wasn’t disputing they were claiming Boebert worked as an escort.  

I agree with you that a lot of the Muckrakers language on the escorting is intentionally vague, especially when compared to how specific their material is on other topics.  

My guess is the abortions really happened, and Boebert’s financial improprieties are real and much greater than what she has been accused of already.  And there isn’t substantial proof of escort work for Republican lawmakers or donors.  There might be a real profile of Boebert or someone else using photos of Boebert in their profile, but it wasn’t a long-term thing or a primary source of income for a long period of time.  

 
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I was drawing the distinction between your use of “Koch brother” as in Charles or David Koch, versus the phrase they actually used “Koch family member” which could be a much wider range of people.  I wasn’t disputing they were claiming Boebert worked as an escort.  

I agree with you that a lot of the Muckrakers language on the escorting is intentionally vague, especially when compared to how specific their material is on other topics.  

My guess is the abortions really happened, and Boebert’s financial improprieties are real and much greater than what she has been accused of already.  And there isn’t substantial proof of escort work for Republican lawmakers or donors.  There might be a real profile of Boebert or someone else using photos of Boebert in their profile, but it wasn’t a long-term thing or a primary source of income for a long period of time.  
Re the bolded, that was due to my imprecise language for sure. Apologies. But my point was that the suggestion that she was working as an escort at 21 and aborted a baby from one of her Johns at that time, and was also working as an escort at 32 as a married mother of four is extremely far fetched. 

 
Sparky Big Time said:
I am not convinced that justice as you describe it is possible.  I would like to believe that is true but I simply cannot accept that it would happen like that. 
I'd be surprised if it didn't. It's high profile and the group clearly stated their intent was to "take her down". Libel doesn't even require intent. If their info is incorrect, they're guilty of it. I'm not a lawyer, but slander might have an intent component if I'm remembering correctly, but even if it does, they unambiguously stated it.

Still no idea if it's true or not. But if it's not, it should be easy to disprove in court (ie, no records of abortions occurring). Definitely would be hard to prove the negative of "not being a hooker", but the abortion angle should be cut and dry with evidence supporting.

 
I'd be surprised if it didn't. It's high profile and the group clearly stated their intent was to "take her down". Libel doesn't even require intent. If their info is incorrect, they're guilty of it. I'm not a lawyer, but slander might have an intent component if I'm remembering correctly, but even if it does, they unambiguously stated it.

Still no idea if it's true or not. But if it's not, it should be easy to disprove in court (ie, no records of abortions occurring). Definitely would be hard to prove the negative of "not being a hooker", but the abortion angle should be cut and dry with evidence supporting.


I have to wonder if this same type of personal attack were to be applied to say AOC what the media might decide to do with that.

 
I have to wonder if this same type of personal attack were to be applied to say AOC what the media might decide to do with that.
I think there have been similar accusations actually. Maybe not escorting but sleeping around or something. I honestly don't remember because whatever it was, it wasn't as sensational as the current Boebert accusations.

 
bigbottom said:
Re the bolded, that was due to my imprecise language for sure. Apologies. But my point was that the suggestion that she was working as an escort at 21 and aborted a baby from one of her Johns at that time, and was also working as an escort at 32 as a married mother of four is extremely far fetched. 
Oh for sure it’s far fetched.  Denver Post has doubts it’s rooted in much truth.  

Is it fair to consider other factors other than “32 as a married mother of four” to measure the plausibility?  Very little of Boebert’s life story is typical.  I would categorize Boebert’s path from high school dropout to US Congressperson as “extremely far fetched”, yet here we are.

 
“The Constitution does not guarantee us freedom. The Constitution does not guarantee us rights.”

-Lauren Boebert

 
"The Church is supposed to direct the government...And I'm tired of all this separation of church and state junk that's not in the Constitution."

- Lauren Boebert

:mellow:

Um, Lauren...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion."

--Amendment I, US Constitution

 
https://mobile.twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1541508454740885511

This seems pretty extreme to me. At least she is honest about her intentions.


She's getting out in front of what's about to happen here. Even though she is shrieking to a room of about 19 people, the christian religion is about to dictate our way of life
It is extreme. My guess is there are just a handful of representatives that believe this and those being the usual suspects (Boebert, MTG, Gosar, etc) Congress has always had it's share of wild, extreme types of members among it's ranks. On either side. And those, while popular back home, have a hard time with their party's establishment.

But the Democrats and the liberals will pounce on the latter to win elections.

 
She is not a serious member of congress.

Securing Americans from Transportation Insanity Act

We’re Not Paying You To Break Our Laws Act

Stop AOC Act

Stop the Biden Caravan Now Act
:lmao:  These sound like the types of bills me and my best friend would come up with after a very long night of drinking.

 
She is not a serious member of congress.

Securing Americans from Transportation Insanity Act

We’re Not Paying You To Break Our Laws Act

Stop AOC Act

Stop the Biden Caravan Now Act
:lmao:  These sound like the types of bills me and my best friend would come up with after a very long night of drinking.


Act Like a Man SHOULD Act Act

Act Now While Supplies Last Act

Last Action Hero Act 

 
https://mobile.twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1541508454740885511

This seems pretty extreme to me. At least she is honest about her intentions.
FFRF pushes back:

June 29, 2022

The Honorable Lauren Boebert
U.S. House of Representatives
1609 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Re: Dangerous and ignorant endorsement of religion in government

Dear Representative Boebert:
We are writing on behalf of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) to correct the
record on a number of serious misstatements you made recently regarding the separation of
state and church. FFRF is a national nonprofit organization with more than 37,000
members across the country, including more than 1,100 members and two chapters in
Colorado. FFRF protects the constitutional separation between state and church and
educates about nontheism.

On June 26, 2022, as a guest speaker at the Cornerstone Christian Center, you endorsed
the expanding role of religion in American politics. You implied that America is a Christian
country, explaining that you “believe that there are two nations that have been created to
glorify God. Israel, whom we bless, and the United States of America. . . . this nation will
glorify God. ”

You celebrated the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which upheld a fundamental right for
decades. You implied that this decision was mandated by your Christian god, telling the
congregation that “this is the fruit of your labor, of your votes, and of your prayers. This is
your harvest.”

You claimed that the crises currently facing our nation are due to the separation between
state and church. You falsely claimed that the founders of our country wanted the two to be
intertwined, that the “church is supposed to direct the government, the government is
not supposed to direct the church,” and that this type of separation is “not how our
founding fathers intended it.” You implied to the congregation that god has a say in our
nation’s politics, and that “we have a country to save and God is using us to do it. . . . we are
in cooperation with him.” You then dangerously emboldened the congregation and other
viewers, alleging that because God is on your side, they “have been given all authority over
the power of the enemy,” and that they “may trample on serpents and scorpions.”

Finally, you explicitly attacked the constitutionally mandated concept of religious
neutrality. You told the congregation that you are “tired of this separation of church
and state junk.” You falsely asserted that separation of state and church is “not in the
Constitution, it was in a stinking letter and means nothing like what they say it does.”

America’s secular government is what makes it America.
The main theme of your misstatements—whether you are making them out of shameful
ignorance or simply to pander—is to falsely equate nonbelief with anti-American ideals,
and to falsely convey that America is a Christian nation.

This could not be further from the truth. In reality, the constitutional principle separating
religion from government was the uniquely American vision of our revolutionary Founders.
Aware of the centuries of bloody religious wars, inquisitions, crusades and pogroms in the
Old World, and of the persecutions in the name of religion in most of the original colonies,
the Framers were acutely aware of the danger and folly of mixing state and church. They
deliberately and purposefully adopted the first constitution in history excluding any
mention of a deity.

Every reference to religion in the U.S. Constitution is exclusionary, including prohibitions
on religious tests for public office, implicitly in the godless oath of office prescribed for the
presidency and later, in the First Amendment’s historic bar of any establishment of religion
by the government. The Framers of the Constitution made the United States first among
nations to invest sovereignty not in a deity, but in “We the People.” The proscription against
religion in government has served our nation well, with the U.S. Constitution now the
longest living constitution in history, and our nation spared the constant religious wars
afflicting theocratic regions around the world.

Christianity and religion in general are inherently divisive. Keeping religion out of the
government is a fundamental American ideal, is essential for true religious freedom, and
has been a tremendous asset to our society. This is a principle to revere. Your attempt to
spread disinformation about the history and meaning of our godless Constitution and its
Establishment Clause is factually incorrect and unAmerican.

Your irresponsible public statements to deride this foundational principle and about the
expansive role Chrisitianity should play in the U.S. government are encouraging the
advancement of Christian nationalism, which is likewise unAmerican. Your assertion that
America is a Christian nation is anathema to America’s founding principles and at odds
with reality. Many American Christians respect the diversity of our culture, and
understand that their fellow Americans may not share their religious values, as evidenced
by groups like Christians Against Christian Nationalism. Anyone who respects American
values must oppose Christian nationalism, as the two ideologies are fundamentally at odds.
Finally, your suggestion that America has a Christian government is not only at odds with
our country’s history and laws, but stigmatizes and marginalizes many of your
constituents. Non-religious Americans are the fastest growing segment of the U.S.
population by religious identification — 37 percent of Americans are non-Christians, and
this includes the nearly one in three Americans who now identify as religiously unaffiliated.
You represent all Coloradans, including those who do not share your personal religious
beliefs. Your remarks convey that you consider non-Christians second-class citizens simply
because of their religious identity or nonreligious identity. That too is unAmerican.
Your blatant disregard for the separation of state and church is a betrayal of your oath of
office to the U.S. Constitution.

 
I feel dirty reading gateway pundit, but as usual their story doesn't actually say what they claim it does.  There is no lawsuit.   Her lawyer says she is "taking legal action" which may just mean a cease and desist letter.   There is no way she's going to sit through depositions digging into her past.

 
also should throw in a Kyler Murray provision that they need to be actually reading the bill language without being distracted by stuff like Netflix, TikTok or E-Trade

 

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