The Lestar Jean thread (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

I mentioned in a couple other threads that for dynasty purposes the WR to target in Houston is not either rookie, DeVier Posey or Keshawn Martin, but rather second year player Lestar Jean. That is looking more promising after seeing this at the houstontexans.com site:

http://blog.houstontexans.com/2012/05/21/with-andre-johnson-out-lestar-jean-getting-starter-reps/

With Andre Johnson out, Lestar Jean getting starter reps

Posted by Nick Scurfield on May 21, 2012 – 2:19 pm

With Andre Johnson sitting out of organized team activities (OTAs) after having arthroscopic knee surgery, wide receiver Lestar Jean is practicing as a starter opposite Kevin Walter.

Jean (6-3, 205), who went undrafted out of Florida Atlantic in 2011, is healthy and eager to prove himself after missing his rookie season with a shoulder injury.

“He dropped a couple of balls today,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said after practice on Monday. “You know, he’s got an excellent opportunity. He’s working as a starter right now in OTAs, so what an opportunity for him as a player, and it’ll be interesting to see how far he comes.”

Just to recap what I have said in other threads, Lestar (pronounced Le Star not Lester) Jean was an undrafted free agent who looked impressive in training camp last year and in one preseason game before being placed on IR for the year following a shoulder injury. It was rumored that the injury was minor, but that the Texans were afraid they would lose him to another team if they moved him to the practice squad, so they essentially red shirted his rookie season.

And Jean answers the question as to why Jacoby Jones was found to be expendable, when he was essentially the only experienced WR the Texans had behind the aging duo of Johnson and Walter. Certainly it makes the most sense that they thought Jean could step in as the #3, rather than two rookies who haven't played a down in the NFL and with Posey missing most of 2011 with a suspension.

I have been quietly picking up Jean in dynasty rookie drafts (while not a rookie, he was not rostered in any of my leagues). Looking at recent drafts he is still pretty much off most people's radar, although that should change if he distinguishes himself in OTAs in coming weeks.

He had a couple drops yesterday, but he normally has pretty good hands - here is a link to his college highlights.

Now it is true, while playing at Division 1-A Florida Atlantic he faced lesser competition. And of course everyone looks like a Le Star in their highlight reel - but he does make some pretty nifty catches.

 

[JoeSteeler]

thanks for sharing

 

[loose circuits]

Andre wasnt the epitome of health in his 1st few years in the league and as he is heading away from the dreaded 30 years I don't think we can expect him to stay healthy consistently. Jean is the closest thing they have to taking his place. The guy looked phenomenal before going to IR then I'm sure the team regretted that when they suffered injuries later in the year. I've seen this story befor ala victor Cruz which is likely best case scenario yet easily justifies using a 4th round rookie pick on Jean. He's owned in a few of my other leagues as well so go get him if he's sitting in yours...

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Is the WR3 spot in Houston worth anything? Whats Walter's value and he's the #2 correct?

 

[squistion]

Is the WR3 spot in Houston worth anything? Whats Walter's value and he's the #2 correct?

Not that much now - but who knows in the future? And things can change on any NFL team.

 

[Shutout]

Not to dampen your spirits here, but Rick Smith was interviewed the other day on Sirius and he sepcifically mentioned Martin and Posey and their role playing in the 2nd WR position and then he was asked about Jean and he gave a very vanilla "He's a guy we liked last year, he got hurt, and he will get a chance to be part of the team". It was really a long way off from the glowing reports everyone seems to be putting out there.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Is the WR3 spot in Houston worth anything? Whats Walter's value and he's the #2 correct?

Not that much now - but who knows in the future? And things can change on any NFL team.

I wasnt criticizing the thread. Just curious. I never see any rankings for the Houston WR2. I dont know if its the run first system or the players they have had in the past. Just wondering if I need to pay attention to this.

 

[Buckna]

He had a solid camp last year and I specifically remember Kubiak liking him a lot. Walter is 31 and just took a paycut to remain on the team this year. I wouldn't be surprised if both Jean & 1 of Posey/Martin makes it into the starting lineup very quickly. What I remember of Jean is more of a large, red-zone type guy so he might end up more of the backup to Andre than the WR2, but you never know. The WR2 & 3 spot's are wide open in Houston.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

is his name lester, or LeStar?

 

[GregR]

Is the WR3 spot in Houston worth anything? Whats Walter's value and he's the #2 correct?

Not that much now - but who knows in the future? And things can change on any NFL team.

I wasnt criticizing the thread. Just curious. I never see any rankings for the Houston WR2. I dont know if its the run first system or the players they have had in the past. Just wondering if I need to pay attention to this.

Under Kubiak WR2 has been Walter in the range of 50-65 catches for anywhere from 600-900 yard and around 5 TDs. WR3 was only significant 2 years ago when Jacoby was around 50-560-3, and that's not much more than bye week filler material.Owen Daniels has been the second receiving option when healthy.So fantasy wise, it isn't worth a lot unless the person becomes the #2 or higher due to outplaying Walter or due to injury, and even then will need to do better than Walter to be more than a fantasy WR4 or worse. But in dynasty you have to look further ahead of course.I would be cautious about putting too much stock into Jean playing with the 1st string in OTA. He is probably there as much because he knows the offense already as because of an evaluation of overall WR talent. Posey and Martin will have opportunities to compete for the job, and I wouldn't be surprised if Posey has as good or a better chance than Jean to take the job. Also wouldn't be surprised if Jean holds onto it either, I think both are very possible.

 

[GregR]

is his name lester, or LeStar?

Lestar. Pronounced leh-STAR

 

[karl722]

Arian Foster is basically the wr2/wr3. I don't expect any other wr to have much value in Kubiak's offense.

 

[squistion]

is his name lester, or LeStar?

Lestar. Pronounced leh-STAR

Yes, and I was reading an interview with him from last year, that after he was born his mother had to send his birth certificate back twice for a correction - because they kept spelling it Lester.

 

[cstu]

Even if Jean isn't fantasy stud he's a huge improvement over Jones.

 

[cstu]

Arian Foster is basically the wr2/wr3. I don't expect any other wr to have much value in Kubiak's offense.

Foster catches a lot of passes, but the Texans have been looking for a WR to step up for years. I'm concerned about AJ's long-term health so I think there's an opportunity there for a guy with a similar build as him.

 

[massraider]

Is the WR3 spot in Houston worth anything? Whats Walter's value and he's the #2 correct?

Not that much now - but who knows in the future? And things can change on any NFL team.

I wasnt criticizing the thread. Just curious. I never see any rankings for the Houston WR2. I dont know if its the run first system or the players they have had in the past. Just wondering if I need to pay attention to this.

That was my first thought, "cripes, WR2 there ain't worth a Dang, so....."But agreed, things change, and nice to get the news. Ain't much else to talk about.

 

[FavreCo]

“He dropped a couple of balls today,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said after practice on Monday.

Someone to watch but this isn't good. In shorts and a t-shirt in minicamps it should read 'caught everything in sight.'.

 

[Steed]

Plus it seems he's more a back-up to Andre while the other guys are slated for slot duty. Saying anyone is the #3 WR is ambiguous.

 

[cstu]

“He dropped a couple of balls today,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said after practice on Monday.Someone to watch but this isn't good. In shorts and a t-shirt in minicamps it should read 'caught everything in sight.'.

It not what you want to hear but it's still early and his hands are probably his best attribute. Here's the rest of the quote:

“He dropped a couple of balls today,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said after practice on Monday. “You know, he’s got an excellent opportunity. He’s working as a starter right now in OTAs, so what an opportunity for him as a player, and it’ll be interesting to see how far he comes.”

 

[squistion]

For what it is worth, at the HoustonTexans.com site message board, a poll was put up Which WR will Break Out This Year?

The results show Jean a clear favorite - http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=31366

Lestar Jean..........58.73%

DeVier Posey.......33.33%

Keshawn Martin...22.22%

Dwight Jones.........4.76%

This is a small sample size and oddly the results add up to 119.4% (?) I am guessing that you could vote for more than one of the four. Also one could look at this and conclude that they think either Posey or Martin are just as likely to break out as Jean (58.73% to 55.55%). But anyway, it is interesting to see what the home town crowd thinks.

 

[Nero]

Don't know much about Jean other than the posted highlight vid and his combine stats which are mediocre. Considering he seemed way faster than the guys attempting to guard him on that vid and only ran a 4.6, I think I'll continue to cast my lot with Posey for now. Better athlete and productive against better competition.

 

[GregR]

Going back to what I was saying about don't put too much stock in where they are lining up in OTAs:

Jean, a promising undrafted rookie from Florida Atlantic in 2011, lined up opposite Walter with the first-team offense this week. Next week, that opportunity could possibly belong to Maehl or someone else as Johnson continues to sit out.

“It’s a great opportunity for them,” Kubiak said. “I mean, you look at (how) Lestar Jean is working as a starter right now. As a player, all you can ask for is to get on the field, and if you do it, you’re not coming off. That’s the way this thing works. I’m going to rotate them every week. I think I’ll change them up, change the depth chart and see who’s going to stand out, who’s going to help our football team. But they’re all going to get an opportunity.”

Of the group I think Jean and Posey have the best chance to see regular season snaps at WR and it's probably close to even odds which of them may win out.

 

[cstu]

Position Competition: Wide ReceiverPosted by Nick Scurfield on May 26, 2012 – 12:41 pmThe Texans have a wide-open competition at wide receiver this offseason.Beyond veteran starters Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter, there is not a single receiver on the roster who has caught an NFL pass. It’s a group that consists of five rookies and four young veterans who have played in a combined five games.Johnson is not participating in OTAs because of recent arthroscopic surgery on his knee. That has left Walter as the elder statesman and opened the door for a lot more reps for the Texans’ young receivers.“They’re young, I can tell you that,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said after practice on Tuesday. “It’s exciting because we’ve got a lot of ability to work with, but obviously we’ve got a long, long way to go. It’ll be interesting to see how they sort themselves out.”The Texans could keep five or six receivers on the active roster in the regular season. Third-round draft pick DeVier Posey and fourth-round pick Keshawn Martin should be locks to make the team.That leaves one or two spots up for grabs among Lestar Jean, Jeff Maehl, Trindon Holliday, Juaquin Iglesias and undrafted rookies Jerrell Jackson, Dwight Jones and Mario Louis.Jean, a promising undrafted rookie from Florida Atlantic in 2011, lined up opposite Walter with the first-team offense this week. Next week, that opportunity could possibly belong to Maehl or someone else as Johnson continues to sit out.“It’s a great opportunity for them,” Kubiak said. “I mean, you look at (how) Lestar Jean is working as a starter right now. As a player, all you can ask for is to get on the field, and if you do it, you’re not coming off. That’s the way this thing works. I’m going to rotate them every week. I think I’ll change them up, change the depth chart and see who’s going to stand out, who’s going to help our football team. But they’re all going to get an opportunity.”Asked about the young receivers after the final practice of the week on Thursday, Kubiak said he has seen “flashes” of talent.“They’re all what we thought they were,” he said. “Getting a little fatigued right now. That bothers me; you’ve got to be able to run all day. Posey is out here pretty tired today. We’ve got to get those guys, condition-wise, to where they can do it all day long. But talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get.”The competition should for playing time – and roster spots – should only heat up in the coming weeks and months.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Mike Sims-Walker will work out for them Wednesday. Not that he's great (nor is Walter), but it shows they could still sign someone who could push the rookies and Jean aside until they're a little more ready.

 

[squistion]

From Rotoworld:

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/234046/2nd-year-wr-jean-turning-heads-at-texans-otas

2nd-year WR Jean turning heads at Texans OTAs

Lestar Jean has earned the nickname "Big Play" for his OTA performances, and WRs coach Larry Kirksey says Jean has already grasped all three receiver positions.

Jean's knowledge of all three spots suggests he could be a threat to Kevin Walter, and isn't just behind Andre Johnson on the depth chart. "He has engulfed himself in the offense," Kirksey said. "His attention to detail is excellent." Kirksey went so far as to compare Johnson and Jean to a couple of Hall of Famers: "I remember Terrell Owens watching and following Jerry Rice. After a while, I couldn’t tell the difference between the two guys on the field. That’s a special situation, but hopefully this will be something like the same scenario."

Source: Houston Chronicle May 29 - 11:17 PMPlayer Outlook

 

[cstu]

(KFFL) Houston Texans WR Lestar Jean has drawn rave reviews during organized team activities (OTAs), and he has earned the nickname "Big Play," making impressive catches his norm. The second-year product out of Florida Atlantic University has been persistently following and asking WR Andre Johnson for advice. "He's always up on me," Johnson said. "Asking me this, asking me that. Wondering how I do this, wondering how I do that." Jean can play all three receiver positions, and the team is giving him first crack at the third receiver job.

 

[squistion]

I think it is way too early to start making Victor Cruz comparisons (who loose circuits earlier in this thread thought was the best case scenario) but I found this interesting:

http://nflsoup.com/?p=26281

Houston Texans: Is Lestar Jean This Year’s Victor Cruz?

Andre Johnson is still the best receiver on the Houston Texans. But second-best behind him isn’t too bad, either.

Some think Lestar Jean could be that good, and could end up making a big impact in his second season out of Florida Atlantic.

I know, I know. Lestar, who?

While he’s not a household name just yet, he’s already wowing in work outs for the second year in a row. And if it hadn’t been for a shoulder injury that placed him on season-ending injured reserve in 2011, we might already know a lot more about him.

Kevin Walter still resides as the number two receiver, but at 30 years old and with little explosiveness and average speed, he could be headed for a regressed role. In fact, an already reduced contract implores it.

With Jacoby Jones no longer in the picture, the only real obstacle in Jean’s way would be rookie Devier Posey, or possibly a street free agent. But with his stock rising so fast, neither of those obstacles may matter. In fact, they may not ever even become true obstacles.

That’s why I liken Jean to New York Giants’ receiver Victor Cruz. Not because he’s as elusive or will have quite as big of a year, but because he’s immensely talented in his own way. And just like Cruz, he didn’t get a real crack at the NFL until his second season in the league

But here Jean is, talented, and ready. And outside of Johnson, there’s not a whole lot stopping him from taking his game to the next level in 2012.

 

[squistion]

The latest from the OTAs:

From Rotoworld 6-6-12 - http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=7540&line=234417&spln=1

DeVier Posey: Posey running behind Jean, Martin at WR?

DeVier Posey - WR - HOU - Jun. 6 - 12:23 pm et

Coach Gary Kubiak has been "hollering at" third-round WR DeVier Posey as much as any player during OTAs.

"I know how much he has to help this football team this year," said Kubiak. "He missed a lot of football last year, and that puts him behind. But talent-wise, he can help us." Posey appears to be behind Lestar Jean and fourth-rounder Keshawn Martin early in the race for the No. 3 receiver role.

Jun 6 - 12:23 pm et Source: HoustonTexans.com

Kevin Walter missed the Tuesday OTA due to illness. Kubiak had this to say about Jean and Posey fared with Walter absent:http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Tuesday-practice/10c5cfb3-dad9-4d71-ba39-3ad113390cec

(on if DeVier Posey got more first team reps with Kevin Walters absence) Hes kind of working with all of the groups right now. Were moving him around according to how they play. If they show good signs, they move up one day so theyre bouncing back and forth. Its kind of crazy for them right now. Were just trying to see who can handle the most and how far we can push them here before we take a break.

(on if hes been happy with how Lestar Jean has been practicing) Yeah, I am. He practices like a young guy sometimes still, but today hes the big vet out here and hes never caught a pass. That tells you how we have to get going there but I like his work. I like what he stands for. I think he has a chance to be a good player.

 

[JoeSteeler]

(Rotoworld) Coach Gary Kubiak is not yet ready to confirm that Lestar Jean has established himself as the Texans' third receiver. Analysis: Kubiak offered hints that the Texans may still explore signing a veteran receiver. "I'm concerned about the youth of the receiving group, which we keep talking about," Kubiak said. "I like the ability, as I've told y'all all along. Bottom line, none of them have been in games, and so that's going to be a concern until we get going."

 

[cstu]

(Rotoworld) The Houston Chronicle's Lance Zierlein expects Lestar Jean to be the Texans' first receiver off the bench this season. Analysis: Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter are the Texans' starters, and it sounds like Jean will play in all three-receiver sets. An astute football mind whose father was a longtime NFL offensive line coach, Zierlein writes that he's "buying into the hype" on Jean as a 2012 impact player. Zierlein notes that Jean possesses "tremendous hands" with "an ability to operate vertically as well." Jean is a name to keep in mind in case Johnson or Walter gets injured.

 

[cstu]

The Houston Chronicle expects Kevin Walter to lose snaps to the Texans' younger wide receivers in 2012.

Walter's separation skills and playmaking ability are evaporating at age 31. While he remains a solid fit for Houston's run-based offense due to his superb blocking, Walter probably won't be an every-down receiver this season. Look for Lestar Jean, in particular, to make a run at Walter's job in training camp. Jul. 25 - 1:23 am et

Source: Houston Chronicle

 

[loose circuits]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again. Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

 

[rct]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again.

Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

Indeed he is.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Lestar Jean will fill in as the Texans' first-team X receiver while Andre Johnson nurses his mild groin strain.

Jean worked with the first team all spring, and he's getting starter's reps in contact practices now, too. "He’s got a ways to go," Kubiak acknowledged of Jean. "I love his work habits. I love how he goes about his business. He’s got all the tools: the size, he can run, he’s smart. Lestar has just got to become a pro. Every day he just has to be consistent and make a play."

Jul 29 - 7:24 PMSource: houstontexans.com

 

[Shutout]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again.

Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

Indeed he is.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Lestar Jean will fill in as the Texans' first-team X receiver while Andre Johnson nurses his mild groin strain.

Jean worked with the first team all spring, and he's getting starter's reps in contact practices now, too. "He’s got a ways to go," Kubiak acknowledged of Jean. "I love his work habits. I love how he goes about his business. He’s got all the tools: the size, he can run, he’s smart. Lestar has just got to become a pro. Every day he just has to be consistent and make a play."

Jul 29 - 7:24 PMSource: houstontexans.com

I think at this point, this is still just a result of him being a guy that was here last year and they are giving him the token nod based on tenure and knowledge of the team's expectations. Not that that is bad and won't work out, but I think its an indication of situaiton moreso than talent or size, etc.Of Martin, Jean, and Posey, Jean has the smallest hands and slowest 40. Posey is almost identicle to him in height (1" shorter but about 5 pounds heavier). Martin is far more shiftier than the others, etc. Just think ravign about "he has the tools" in a July camp doesn't mean TOO much. Lots of guys look like tarzan in an NFL camp.

 

[rct]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again.

Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

Indeed he is.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Lestar Jean will fill in as the Texans' first-team X receiver while Andre Johnson nurses his mild groin strain.

Jean worked with the first team all spring, and he's getting starter's reps in contact practices now, too. "He’s got a ways to go," Kubiak acknowledged of Jean. "I love his work habits. I love how he goes about his business. He’s got all the tools: the size, he can run, he’s smart. Lestar has just got to become a pro. Every day he just has to be consistent and make a play."

Jul 29 - 7:24 PMSource: houstontexans.com

I think at this point, this is still just a result of him being a guy that was here last year and they are giving him the token nod based on tenure and knowledge of the team's expectations. Not that that is bad and won't work out, but I think its an indication of situaiton moreso than talent or size, etc.Of Martin, Jean, and Posey, Jean has the smallest hands and slowest 40. Posey is almost identicle to him in height (1" shorter but about 5 pounds heavier). Martin is far more shiftier than the others, etc. Just think ravign about "he has the tools" in a July camp doesn't mean TOO much. Lots of guys look like tarzan in an NFL camp.

It seems way past that point if you have been following what has been going on since the start of OTAs. And I wouldn't hang my hat on his mediocre 40 time - many of the Jean supporters think that he has what is known as "game speed" instead of straight line "track speed" (see Boldin, Colston and Marshall for players who have played faster than their 40 - however I am not saying Jean is next coming of any of those 3).

And it is not the beat reporters or message board people here that are saying "he has the tools," it is Kubiak. Coach speak? Perhaps but for months he has been talking up Jean more than either Martin or Posey. If you really think you got the inside track on this, you can get either Posey or Martin a lot cheaper than Jean, who is being picked a good round before Posey in recent rookie drafts and about two rounds ahead of Martin.

 

[Shutout]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again.

Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

Indeed he is.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Lestar Jean will fill in as the Texans' first-team X receiver while Andre Johnson nurses his mild groin strain.

Jean worked with the first team all spring, and he's getting starter's reps in contact practices now, too. "He’s got a ways to go," Kubiak acknowledged of Jean. "I love his work habits. I love how he goes about his business. He’s got all the tools: the size, he can run, he’s smart. Lestar has just got to become a pro. Every day he just has to be consistent and make a play."

Jul 29 - 7:24 PMSource: houstontexans.com

I think at this point, this is still just a result of him being a guy that was here last year and they are giving him the token nod based on tenure and knowledge of the team's expectations. Not that that is bad and won't work out, but I think its an indication of situaiton moreso than talent or size, etc.Of Martin, Jean, and Posey, Jean has the smallest hands and slowest 40. Posey is almost identicle to him in height (1" shorter but about 5 pounds heavier). Martin is far more shiftier than the others, etc. Just think ravign about "he has the tools" in a July camp doesn't mean TOO much. Lots of guys look like tarzan in an NFL camp.

It seems way past that point if you have been following what has been going on since the start of OTAs. And I wouldn't hang my hat on his mediocre 40 time - many of the Jean supporters think that he has what is known as "game speed" instead of straight line "track speed" (see Boldin, Colston and Marshall for players who have played faster than their 40 - however I am not saying Jean is next coming of any of those 3).

And it is not the beat reporters or message board people here that are saying "he has the tools," it is Kubiak. Coach speak? Perhaps but for months he has been talking up Jean more than either Martin or Posey. If you really think you got the inside track on this, you can get either Posey or Martin a lot cheaper than Jean, who is being picked a good round before Posey in recent rookie drafts and about two rounds ahead of Martin.

Yes, coach speak. And it's pick and choose, based on agenda. If I wanted to I could go back and pull out a dozen Kubiak comments talking up Jacoby Jones and saying very similar things about him. The proof is in the pudding.I wasn't hanging a hat on a 40 time. I just pointed out that in different ways, that each of their WRs "has the tools" as Kubiak says. Jean is tall but slower, has smaller hands. Martin has the fluid hips. Posey has size and large hands. Just saying its easy to say this guy has the tools. Of course, they all do. Not too many guys looking like George Costanza out theire trying to win a WR spot.

I wouldn't say I have an inside track. that's actually what i'm commenting on. I don't think there IS an inside track right now. Just a few weeks ago, the Texans GM Rick Smith was answering questions about the WRs in an interview and he referenced both martin and Posey ahead of Jean. I think everyone gets a chance to get a little motivation thrown their way. Just saying I'm not ready to buy ANYONE on July 30th.

 

[rct]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again.

Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

Indeed he is.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Lestar Jean will fill in as the Texans' first-team X receiver while Andre Johnson nurses his mild groin strain.

Jean worked with the first team all spring, and he's getting starter's reps in contact practices now, too. "He’s got a ways to go," Kubiak acknowledged of Jean. "I love his work habits. I love how he goes about his business. He’s got all the tools: the size, he can run, he’s smart. Lestar has just got to become a pro. Every day he just has to be consistent and make a play."

Jul 29 - 7:24 PMSource: houstontexans.com

I think at this point, this is still just a result of him being a guy that was here last year and they are giving him the token nod based on tenure and knowledge of the team's expectations. Not that that is bad and won't work out, but I think its an indication of situaiton moreso than talent or size, etc.Of Martin, Jean, and Posey, Jean has the smallest hands and slowest 40. Posey is almost identicle to him in height (1" shorter but about 5 pounds heavier). Martin is far more shiftier than the others, etc. Just think ravign about "he has the tools" in a July camp doesn't mean TOO much. Lots of guys look like tarzan in an NFL camp.

It seems way past that point if you have been following what has been going on since the start of OTAs. And I wouldn't hang my hat on his mediocre 40 time - many of the Jean supporters think that he has what is known as "game speed" instead of straight line "track speed" (see Boldin, Colston and Marshall for players who have played faster than their 40 - however I am not saying Jean is next coming of any of those 3).

And it is not the beat reporters or message board people here that are saying "he has the tools," it is Kubiak. Coach speak? Perhaps but for months he has been talking up Jean more than either Martin or Posey. If you really think you got the inside track on this, you can get either Posey or Martin a lot cheaper than Jean, who is being picked a good round before Posey in recent rookie drafts and about two rounds ahead of Martin.

Yes, coach speak. And it's pick and choose, based on agenda. If I wanted to I could go back and pull out a dozen Kubiak comments talking up Jacoby Jones and saying very similar things about him. The proof is in the pudding. I wasn't hanging a hat on a 40 time. I just pointed out that in different ways, that each of their WRs "has the tools" as Kubiak says. Jean is tall but slower, has smaller hands. Martin has the fluid hips. Posey has size and large hands. Just saying its easy to say this guy has the tools. Of course, they all do. Not too many guys looking like George Costanza out theire trying to win a WR spot. I wouldn't say I have an inside track. that's actually what i'm commenting on. I don't think there IS an inside track right now. Just a few weeks ago, the Texans GM Rick Smith was answering questions about the WRs in an interview and he referenced both martin and Posey ahead of Jean. I think everyone gets a chance to get a little motivation thrown their way. Just saying I'm not ready to buy ANYONE on July 30th.

Yep, the proof is in the puddiing as they cut Jacoby Jones after not taking a WR in free agency, and after not taking a WR in the first two rounds of the draft. In fact Rueben Randall fell to them in the 2nd and they passed on him so they could move down into the 3rd. Now perhaps they really liked Posey despite him missing 10 games in 2011, but the more likely explanation is that they felt they already had Jones replacement on their team in Jean. Think about it (using Occam's razor) if AJ or Walter gets injured, doesn't it seems more likely that Jean is pluged into the lineup rather than a rookie who missed crucial reps in 10 games his last year in college?

 

[cstu]

gotta believe Jean is getting a heavy does of 1st team reps with AJ now sitting out again.

Problem is that it's at AJ's spot when he could be working on taking Walter's gig. Oh well, if AJ continues with injuries throughout year he could end up being huge...

Indeed he is.http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Coach Gary Kubiak confirmed that Lestar Jean will fill in as the Texans' first-team X receiver while Andre Johnson nurses his mild groin strain.

Jean worked with the first team all spring, and he's getting starter's reps in contact practices now, too. "He’s got a ways to go," Kubiak acknowledged of Jean. "I love his work habits. I love how he goes about his business. He’s got all the tools: the size, he can run, he’s smart. Lestar has just got to become a pro. Every day he just has to be consistent and make a play."

Jul 29 - 7:24 PMSource: houstontexans.com

I think at this point, this is still just a result of him being a guy that was here last year and they are giving him the token nod based on tenure and knowledge of the team's expectations. Not that that is bad and won't work out, but I think its an indication of situaiton moreso than talent or size, etc.Of Martin, Jean, and Posey, Jean has the smallest hands and slowest 40. Posey is almost identicle to him in height (1" shorter but about 5 pounds heavier). Martin is far more shiftier than the others, etc. Just think ravign about "he has the tools" in a July camp doesn't mean TOO much. Lots of guys look like tarzan in an NFL camp.

I will agree that Posey is his biggest competition but as of right now Jean has the lead. Jean's hand size is a bit smaller (9" to 9.5") but still adequate. Jean is taller and bigger than Posey (6-3, 215 to 6-1, 211). Posey did run faster at the combine (4.50 to 4.59) although Jean ran a 4.52 at his Pro Day.Regardless of the numbers, what counts is what they do on the field. Whichever one turns out to the best won't be due to how they measured up at the combine.

 

[loose circuits]

Rotoworld is reporting that Martin is running in AJ's spot now but I can't find confirmation on Chron web-site. Are they confused because hes getting 1st team reps from the slot? Is Jean still getting those reps?

 

[squistion]

Rotoworld is reporting that Martin is running in AJ's spot now but I can't find confirmation on Chron web-site. Are they confused because hes getting 1st team reps from the slot? Is Jean still getting those reps?

They are giving him some 1st team reps, along with Jean - at least from what I can tell from an article yesterday from a Houston Texans fans site:http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=6562

- The star of the past two days was wide receiver Lestar Jean who has looked like he is a new player on the field. He had catches all day, and his catch of the day came from Matt Schaub on a deep ball down the left sideline and he had a nice one-handed catch on cornerback Brice McCain. Jean looks much more in tune with what is going on the field, and has opened some eyes the past few days.

- Speaking of Matt Schaub, today was the best he has looked since the beginning of camp. Don’t look now, but his favorite target with Johnson out was wide receiver Keshawn Martin. Martin looks smooth in and out of his routes, but he too had a huge catch from Schaub on a deep ball in the middle of the field, also on McCain. We talked about Martin yesterday, but he is quiet on the field and is all ears when the veterans talk to him.

 

[loose circuits]

I caught this as well:

Wide Receiver: Lots of good work for the Texans wide receivers today. Lestar Jean had his best day in a while. I know that there is a lot of concern about the wide receiver position, and I’m sure there will be some learning situations, but I’m interested to see these guys in action.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/08/day-7-2012-texans-training-camp-nothing-really-bad-happened/not sure why RW is jumping on the Martin train

 

[coolnerd]

I caught this as well:

Wide Receiver: Lots of good work for the Texans wide receivers today. Lestar Jean had his best day in a while. I know that there is a lot of concern about the wide receiver position, and I’m sure there will be some learning situations, but I’m interested to see these guys in action.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/08/day-7-2012-texans-training-camp-nothing-really-bad-happened/not sure why RW is jumping on the Martin train

Kubiak. http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Friday-Camp-Practice/993d508d-b326-437f-989b-d7d4acaff6e6(on WR Keshawn Martin practicing with the first team) “I think he’s showing that he’s capable of doing it. There are some growing pains, there are some things that he’s got to go through, but he’s very professional in his approach, doesn’t say a word just works. And he’s going against J-Joe (CB Jonathan Joseph) every day. That’ll make you good real quick.”(on what he likes about Keshawn Martin as a wide receiver) “Well he’s got great speed. I think what you could see is he can catch some little ones and turn them into real big ones. That’s what you look for in the pass game. You don’t have time to sit back there and wait on things to get way down the field, but you can throw a slam a guy can make somebody miss and go to the house, that’s what you want.”

 

[GregR]

Paul Kuharsky: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/39680/camp-confidential-houston-texans-3

Jean dropped too many passes during the three-and-a-half days I watched practices. That made me think he might do more to remind people of Jacoby Jones than the help them forget him.

 

[TheFly06]

It's starting to feel like Keyshawn is the man to beat. He looked good in limited action in the Texans 1st preseason game. Can't wait to see what he does on Saturday.

 

[squistion]

It's starting to feel like Keyshawn is the man to beat. He looked good in limited action in the Texans 1st preseason game. Can't wait to see what he does on Saturday.

Yes, Martin is currently looking better at the slot position, but I think Jean is the best long term play of the Jean/Posey/Martin trio. This situation reminds me of another undrafted free agent I was high on a few years back, Miles Austin. Austin looked good in OTAs and training camp but couldn't beat out Patrick Crayton (IIRC) as the #3 WR to start the season. Then Roy Williams was injured, Austin got his shot, and the rest (as they say) was history.I have seen enough of Jean and I still think he has "it" - IMO it is not a question of if, it is a question of when he becomes a starter. Perhaps he languishes as a backup behind AJ this season, but eventually he will emerge once he is giving the opportunity. There are a couple leagues that I don't own him, but I intend to pick him up if he is dropped.

 

[loose circuits]

Jean running with 1's tonight? Was Walter on bench?

 

[TheFly06]

Jean running with 1's tonight? Was Walter on bench?

Kevin Walter started. But Jean is getting reps out there with the first team. Schaub hit him for a 9-yard TD on 3rd & 7. Looked great on the play!

 

[GregR]

Jean running with 1's tonight? Was Walter on bench?

Jean was 4th receiver after AJ, Walter and Martin. AJ out on Jean TD

 

[squistion]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7241/lestar-jean

Lestar Jean - WR - Texans

Seeing action with the first-team offense in Saturday night's preseason game against the 49ers, Lestar Jean finished with four catches for 42 yards and a touchdown.

We hadn't heard from Jean in a few weeks with rookie Keshawn Martin generating more buzz, but the second-year wideout made a dent against San Francisco on Saturday night. "He continues to step up every time he gets a chance," observed coach Gary Kubiak after the game. Jean remains in the mix for No. 3 receiver duties in Houston, and he will start if Andre Johnson goes down again.

 

[cstu]

It's starting to feel like Keyshawn is the man to beat. He looked good in limited action in the Texans 1st preseason game. Can't wait to see what he does on Saturday.

Yes, Martin is currently looking better at the slot position, but I think Jean is the best long term play of the Jean/Posey/Martin trio. This situation reminds me of another undrafted free agent I was high on a few years back, Miles Austin. Austin looked good in OTAs and training camp but couldn't beat out Patrick Crayton (IIRC) as the #3 WR to start the season. Then Roy Williams was injured, Austin got his shot, and the rest (as they say) was history.I have seen enough of Jean and I still think he has "it" - IMO it is not a question of if, it is a question of when he becomes a starter. Perhaps he languishes as a backup behind AJ this season, but eventually he will emerge once he is giving the opportunity. There are a couple leagues that I don't own him, but I intend to pick him up if he is dropped.

I think it could be a situation very similar to Austin except he's behind a much better receiver and AJ has a contract which will keep him on the team for at least 3 more years. AJ has had problems staying healthy so Jean may get a shot in his spot at some point but he doesn't have much opportunity with AJ healthy.