The middle-aged dummies are forming a band called "Blanket"! It's a cover band. (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Octopus]

Lists that don't include the original artist (or reference to "traditional" or "unknown" or the like) will be bounced back

There are some covers for which the original song artist is indeed unknown. I'm surprised you will not accept those if they are legit.

I'd be surprised that originals we select are unknown - unless you're drawing from the Roman Empire's Top 40 or something like that.

There’s “traditionals”.

 

[zamboni]

Lists that don't include the original artist (or reference to "traditional" or "unknown" or the like) will be bounced back

There are some covers for which the original song artist is indeed unknown. I'm surprised you will not accept those if they are legit.

I'd be surprised that originals we select are unknown - unless you're drawing from the Roman Empire's Top 40 or something like that.

There’s “traditionals”.

True - I even had one in my list from the MAD #2 round.

 

[Tau837]

Lists that don't include the original artist (or reference to "traditional" or "unknown" or the like) will be bounced back

There are some covers for which the original song artist is indeed unknown. I'm surprised you will not accept those if they are legit.

I think you need to re-read what she wrote.

You're right, I misread it, thanks.

 

[Mister CIA]

Where are we on adaptations/interpretations? Mainly asking to keep the formatting buttoned up.

For instance, the original song is titled "Song A," while the cover/interpretation/adaptation is titled "And Now For Something Completely Different." Should the original title be included in the submitted list? In case it matters, this is is a straight up cover ("musically the same," says Wikipedia), but the lyrics were reworked. Ha, Wikipedia also says that the lyrics were borrowed from yet another artist.

 

[krista4]

Lists that don't include the original artist (or reference to "traditional" or "unknown" or the like) will be bounced back

There are some covers for which the original song artist is indeed unknown. I'm surprised you will not accept those if they are legit.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

(Include "trad." as the artist credit, if applicable.)

Yeah, that's not what I said, including in the first post and beyond.

 

[Don Quixote]

Where are we on adaptations/interpretations? Mainly asking to keep the formatting buttoned up.

For instance, the original song is titled "Song A," while the cover/interpretation/adaptation is titled "And Now For Something Completely Different." Should the original title be included in the submitted list? In case it matters, this is is a straight up cover ("musically the same," says Wikipedia), but the lyrics were reworked. Ha, Wikipedia also says that the lyrics were borrowed from yet another artist.

Not Krista, but I’d query if a cover in the first instance. “Musically the same” but “completely different” lyrics seems to fall closer to the My Sweet Lord / He’s So Fine and Sweet Little Sixteen / Surfin’ USA type of situation to me. But maybe I’m missing something about this specific song.

 

[Mister CIA]

Where are we on adaptations/interpretations? Mainly asking to keep the formatting buttoned up.

For instance, the original song is titled "Song A," while the cover/interpretation/adaptation is titled "And Now For Something Completely Different." Should the original title be included in the submitted list? In case it matters, this is is a straight up cover ("musically the same," says Wikipedia), but the lyrics were reworked. Ha, Wikipedia also says that the lyrics were borrowed from yet another artist.

Not Krista, but I’d query if a cover in the first instance. “Musically the same” but “completely different” lyrics seems to fall closer to the My Sweet Lord / He’s So Fine and Sweet Little Sixteen / Surfin’ USA type of situation to me. But maybe I’m missing something about this specific song.

It's difficult to describe, but it's unmistakably a cover. It's on the bubble, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Might throw it out with the top-5 that missed the cut. ...Heck it might might not even make that list. Maybe I'll save it for the tail end of this thread and toss it out as a drive-by.

 

[Chaos34]

Where are we on adaptations/interpretations? Mainly asking to keep the formatting buttoned up.

For instance, the original song is titled "Song A," while the cover/interpretation/adaptation is titled "And Now For Something Completely Different." Should the original title be included in the submitted list? In case it matters, this is is a straight up cover ("musically the same," says Wikipedia), but the lyrics were reworked. Ha, Wikipedia also says that the lyrics were borrowed from yet another artist.

Not Krista, but I’d query if a cover in the first instance. “Musically the same” but “completely different” lyrics seems to fall closer to the My Sweet Lord / He’s So Fine and Sweet Little Sixteen / Surfin’ USA type of situation to me. But maybe I’m missing something about this specific song.

It's difficult to describe, but it's unmistakably a cover. It's on the bubble, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Might throw it out with the top-5 that missed the cut. ...Heck it might might not even make that list. Maybe I'll save it for the tail end of this thread and toss it out as a drive-by.

I, for one, embrace Weird Al and his entire catalogue.

 

[Mister CIA]

Where are we on adaptations/interpretations? Mainly asking to keep the formatting buttoned up.

For instance, the original song is titled "Song A," while the cover/interpretation/adaptation is titled "And Now For Something Completely Different." Should the original title be included in the submitted list? In case it matters, this is is a straight up cover ("musically the same," says Wikipedia), but the lyrics were reworked. Ha, Wikipedia also says that the lyrics were borrowed from yet another artist.

Not Krista, but I’d query if a cover in the first instance. “Musically the same” but “completely different” lyrics seems to fall closer to the My Sweet Lord / He’s So Fine and Sweet Little Sixteen / Surfin’ USA type of situation to me. But maybe I’m missing something about this specific song.

It's difficult to describe, but it's unmistakably a cover. It's on the bubble, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Might throw it out with the top-5 that missed the cut. ...Heck it might might not even make that list. Maybe I'll save it for the tail end of this thread and toss it out as a drive-by.

I, for one, embrace Weird Al and his entire catalogue.

Wierd Al is just a little bit off the mark as an example. The song I'm thinking of was first recorded by a guy born in 1870, while the cover is one of the all-time hippie anthems.

 

[krista4]

Where are we on adaptations/interpretations? Mainly asking to keep the formatting buttoned up.

For instance, the original song is titled "Song A," while the cover/interpretation/adaptation is titled "And Now For Something Completely Different." Should the original title be included in the submitted list? In case it matters, this is is a straight up cover ("musically the same," says Wikipedia), but the lyrics were reworked. Ha, Wikipedia also says that the lyrics were borrowed from yet another artist.

Not Krista, but I’d query if a cover in the first instance. “Musically the same” but “completely different” lyrics seems to fall closer to the My Sweet Lord / He’s So Fine and Sweet Little Sixteen / Surfin’ USA type of situation to me. But maybe I’m missing something about this specific song.

Yeah, this sounds sorta un-covery to me. MCIA, feel free to send me the info if you want an official ruling. I'm trying to be expansive in letting stuff in, but this sounds on its face like it's on the other line of the "reworking" discussion.

 

[Don Quixote]

Avatar change. Tried playing it safe to honor a local cover band that, as far as I can tell, has no releases on Spotify, Apple Music, etc., so as to avoid potentially tripping into spoiler-y territory.

 

[krista4]

There are some prominent instances of cover medleys — two separate originals combined into a single medley track. Those are fair game, I presume?

Don't see why not.

What if the medley includes originals and covers lol?

I've run across a few ... but my inclination is just to play it clean and exclude these. I've got a plenty long enough list without them.

EDIT: And there was one fave that I thought was an original and cover smashed together ... but I learned that the album release treats the two as separate tracks (albeit without a pause between the two). They're just always played back-to-back on the radio. So the pick is golden.

Yeah, seems not cover-y enough and possibly too cute. There's so much to choose from that we don't need to go there.

@shuke , do these answer your questions regarding "mashups"? If not, please elucidate further.

 

[shuke]

There are some prominent instances of cover medleys — two separate originals combined into a single medley track. Those are fair game, I presume?

Don't see why not.

What if the medley includes originals and covers lol?

I've run across a few ... but my inclination is just to play it clean and exclude these. I've got a plenty long enough list without them.

EDIT: And there was one fave that I thought was an original and cover smashed together ... but I learned that the album release treats the two as separate tracks (albeit without a pause between the two). They're just always played back-to-back on the radio. So the pick is golden.

Yeah, seems not cover-y enough and possibly too cute. There's so much to choose from that we don't need to go there.

@shuke , do these answer your questions regarding "mashups"? If not, please elucidate further.

That seems like contradictory answers. I'll PM you with an example.

 

[krista4]

There are some prominent instances of cover medleys — two separate originals combined into a single medley track. Those are fair game, I presume?

Don't see why not.

What if the medley includes originals and covers lol?

I've run across a few ... but my inclination is just to play it clean and exclude these. I've got a plenty long enough list without them.

EDIT: And there was one fave that I thought was an original and cover smashed together ... but I learned that the album release treats the two as separate tracks (albeit without a pause between the two). They're just always played back-to-back on the radio. So the pick is golden.

Yeah, seems not cover-y enough and possibly too cute. There's so much to choose from that we don't need to go there.

@shuke , do these answer your questions regarding "mashups"? If not, please elucidate further.

That seems like contradictory answers. I'll PM you with an example.

Seems pretty clear to me. Two covers = cover; one cover and one original = non-cover. I'll look at your example in the morning, though!

 

[krista4]

Seems pretty clear to me. Two covers = cover; one cover and one original = non-cover. I'll look at your example in the morning, though!

Sent you a PM because I actually went ahead and listened tonight. Clearly fits within the two covers = cover rule, so good to go.

 

[Mister CIA]

Courtesy bump.

 

[krista4]

Courtesy bump.

Sorry, I really haven't been "driving" this one the way I normally would. Way too busy at work, then lost heat last night (fixed today), and it's just been a mess here. I watched a movie today to relax and then jumped right back into work. Boo-hiss.

 

[Mister CIA]

Courtesy bump.

Sorry, I really haven't been "driving" this one the way I normally would. Way too busy at work, then lost heat last night (fixed today), and it's just been a mess here. I watched a movie today to relax and then jumped right back into work. Boo-hiss.

The pace is just fine. We know it will pick up soon.

 

[rockaction]

Wow, am I ever blown away by an oldie but goodie in my repertoire. Every year I play it, I'm reminded of how good I think the cover song is and how new I came to it, never having heard the original and wondering how indeed the band performing the song got so damned literate overnight.

It really is a tremendous thing if you came to it disposed like I was and blind to the original.

Can't wait to kick this thing off.

 

[krista4]

Wow, am I ever blown away by an oldie but goodie in my repertoire. Every year I play it, I'm reminded of how good I think the cover song is and how new I came to it, never having heard the original and wondering how indeed the band performing the song got so damned literate overnight.

It really is a tremendous thing if you came to it disposed like I was and blind to the original.

Can't wait to kick this thing off.

No idea what this is, and I’m excited for it.

 

[rockaction]

No idea what this is, and I’m excited for it.

You'll either think it's very cool or wonder what the heck the fuss is all about on my end.

But one genre and artist is a very literate one and the other not so much, so one could imagine my surprise about the lyrical might one entity suddenly flexed. I think it's a unique one to me; I'm interested in what other people think of it.

 

[krista4]

Just finished a huge work project. Hoping I can now turn to more important matters this week, like the countdown.

 

[DrIanMalcolm]

In!

 

[Doug B]

I've gone through the thread a bit to try to nail down the edge of where "legit cover" ends and "not a cover" begins. The word "bootleg" has only appeared in this thread once, so the ground's not quite been thoroughly covered just yet.

I'll lay out a few scenarios in sort of a spectrum, going from "no question that's a legit cover!" to "ummm???"

1) The song was commercially available on a studio album, single, or non-album single -- COVER

2) The song was commercially available on a live album, single, or non-album single -- COVER

3) The song was commercially available on a special-edition studio/live album, single, or non-album single -- COVER

4) The song was commercially available in, e.g., a box set, special edition, import, an album of outtakes, or similar -- COVER

5) The song was not commercially available, but was released digitally by the artist, label, songwriter, publisher, or copyright holder -- PROBABLY A COVER?

6) The song was not commercially available. It was released digitally by an entity affiliated with the artist but with dubious, gray-area sanction (e.g. by a fan club/website, or something a studio employee uploaded to YouTube) -- NO IDEA

7) The song was not commercially available, and was only ever available via bootleg recordings -- NOT A COVER?

8) The song was not commercially available. Someone in the smartphone era recorded a live cover performance at a recent show, and uploaded it to Youtube -- ???


What does the house think -- especially songs that fall into the 5, 6, 7 , and 8 categories?

 

[zamboni]

I've gone through the thread a bit to try to nail down the edge of where "legit cover" ends and "not a cover" begins. The word "bootleg" has only appeared in this thread once, so the ground's not quite been thoroughly covered just yet.

I'll lay out a few scenarios in sort of a spectrum, going from "no question that's a legit cover!" to "ummm???"

1) The song was commercially available on a studio album, single, or non-album single -- COVER

2) The song was commercially available on a live album, single, or non-album single -- COVER

3) The song was commercially available on a special-edition studio/live album, single, or non-album single -- COVER

4) The song was commercially available in, e.g., a box set, special edition, import, an album of outtakes, or similar -- COVER

5) The song was not commercially available, but was released digitally by the artist, label, songwriter, publisher, or copyright holder -- PROBABLY A COVER?

6) The song was not commercially available. It was released digitally by an entity affiliated with the artist but with dubious, gray-area sanction (e.g. by a fan club/website, or something a studio employee uploaded to YouTube) -- NO IDEA

7) The song was not commercially available, and was only ever available via bootleg recordings -- NOT A COVER?

8) The song was not commercially available. Someone in the smartphone era recorded a live cover performance at a recent show, and uploaded it to Youtube -- ???


What does the house think -- especially songs that fall into the 5, 6, 7 , and 8 categories?

I’m trying to stay relatively close to what constitutes a traditional cover. There are so many options out there that if I have to question whether or not a song is truly a cover, I’m trying too hard for style points.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I stuck to whether a song is on Spotify, as they usually don’t have “bootlegs” there.

 

[Doug B]

I’m trying to stay relatively close to what constitutes a traditional cover. There are so many options out there that if I have to question whether or not a song is truly a cover, I’m trying too hard for style points.

There was one I really wanted that I thought for a long time was a 4 (commercially available on a special-edition recording) but learned yesterday that it was actually a 6 (fan club digital release). FWIW, it's available on both Spotify and YouTube.

 

[shuke]

Any time an artist plays another artist's song, it's a cover. Krista has already answered that it doesn't need to be an official release, just in a format that can be shared here.

 

[Doug B]

Any time an artist plays another artist's song, it's a cover. Krista has already answered that it doesn't need to be an official release, just in a format that can be shared here.

"Schmidt, shuke ... that's all you had to say ..."

FWIW, today I learned that Discogs.com actually catalogs Unofficial Releases alongside a band's commercial releases. Going down the rabbit hole a bit, I've learned that the song I want to take was part of an album that was announced as an upcoming commercial release -- but months after the announcement, one of the band members passed away. The release was then apparently shelved (temporarily?), but some individual tracks have since seen the light of day.

 

[krista4]

Any time an artist plays another artist's song, it's a cover. Krista has already answered that it doesn't need to be an official release, just in a format that can be shared here.

Someone reads my posts!!!

Yes, early on I wanted this to be restricted to commercially released recordings rather than, say, one-off live performances, but the consensus was to allow a more expansive view as shuke succinctly summarizes above, so that's where we are.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yeah, let’s not try to over-complicate listening to music. Life can be tough enough.

 

[Doug B]

Any time an artist plays another artist's song, it's a cover. Krista has already answered that it doesn't need to be an official release, just in a format that can be shared here.

Someone reads my posts!!!

While I did see the particular posts between you and shuke** ... I still didn't understand where the line was drawn, or even if there was much of a line. "Format that can be shared here", however, makes it plain for me.


** when I searched the thread for "bootleg", it was his post that popped up.

 

[krista4]

And to answer shuke's question that shuke didn't answer, we've always allowed either Spotify or Youtube links, as mentioned in the first post that no one read.

What if it's on neither?

I'm at the other answers to this. But the real answer is, it needs to be in a form where we can all listen to it.

@Doug B

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Any time an artist plays another artist's song, it's a cover. Krista has already answered that it doesn't need to be an official release, just in a format that can be shared here.

Someone reads my posts!!!

While I did see the particular posts between you and shuke** ... I still didn't understand where the line was drawn, or even if there was much of a line. "Format that can be shared here", however, makes it plain for me.


** when I searched the thread for "bootleg", it was his post that popped up.

You should have PM'd him.

 

[Chaos34]

6) The song was not commercially available. It was released digitally by an entity affiliated with the artist but with dubious, gray-area sanction (e.g. by a fan club/website, or something a studio employee uploaded to YouTube) -- NO IDEA


8) The song was not commercially available. Someone in the smartphone era recorded a live cover performance at a recent show, and uploaded it to Youtube -- ???

I have one each of these. I haven't read the thread further than this yet. I really really like both, but one is pretty much not a cover. It's an instrumental and a major variation on the theme at that. The other is straightforward covering the song live, for the first time and she nails it, but I think both will wait for the after party and not be invited to the A-list.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

The Weird Al clause
He doesnt cover somgs, but records pastiches. He needs the original artists permission though
It is the same song, but with new lyrics.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Pain in the Arse Pt 2
Songs based on or covers of songs in another language.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

FWIW IMO (and it's not much) Weird Al's stuff isn't covers. And I'm a fan of Al.

 

[Don Quixote]

Pain in the Arse Pt 2
Songs based on or covers of songs in another language.

I already asked that one, and was told those counted.

 

[zamboni]

FWIW IMO (and it's not much) Weird Al's stuff isn't covers. And I'm a fan of Al.

I keep reading this as Weird Artificial Intelligence.

2024 and all

 

[New Binky the Doormat]

@krista4

I scanned the first page but didn't see the dates for this - when is my list due?

* how should it be ordered? #31 fav at the top of the list or the bottom

* order of the info - song, artist, original artist - dates of either or both required?

thank you

 

[Mister CIA]

@krista4

I scanned the first page but didn't see the dates for this - when is my list due?

* how should it be ordered? #31 fav at the top of the list or the bottom

* order of the info - song, artist, original artist - dates of either or both required?

thank you

Submissions need to be in by end of day, Jan 26th (see post 1, paragraph 2, first sentence).

I think the last paragraph of post 1 addresses your questions about ordering your list.

 

[New Binky the Doormat]

Reserved for participants and status of lists. For now please post if you're going to be IN!

IN:
krista4
Oliver Humanzee as always under duress
shuke
Mister CIA
Don Quixote
the cover version of Binky the Doormat
zamboni
Scoresman
rockaction
higgins
Pip's Invitation
Mrs. Rannous
JML
Mystery JML
Uruk-Hai
Raging weasel
Ilov80s
Dr. Octopus
tuffnutt
Charlie Steiner
Doug B
titusbramble
Yankee23Fan
Chaos34
Eephus
Hawks64
DrIanMalcolm
Andy Dufresne
Mt Man
Just Win Baby
simey
Galileo
scorchy
simsarge

hello?

in man, in.


ETA: sorry, I am sick as a dog and not focusing well ...just got back from a week in Costa Rica - had a great time, but now have a cold like I haven't had in years.

 

[simey]

hello?

in man, in.

She has you on there. You are listed right underneath Don Quixote as "the cover version of Binky the Doormat." You get it, right? Since you are New Binky the Doormat you are the cover version of yourself.

 

[krista4]

FWIW IMO (and it's not much) Weird Al's stuff isn't covers. And I'm a fan of Al.

Yeah, let's go no Al for now. (And I like him, too.)

 

[shuke]

I've had a couple ideas for themes but not of them really got me to 31 songs, so I'm trying to do a mix and now it seems it's just a jumbled mess of songs and I'm probably forgetting some great ones I just can't remember.

 

[Eephus]

I've had a couple ideas for themes but not of them really got me to 31 songs, so I'm trying to do a mix and now it seems it's just a jumbled mess of songs and I'm probably forgetting some great ones I just can't remember.

Same

 

[Eephus]

I've noticed that Spotify users have used the podcast publishing capabilities of the platform to upload unauthorized copies of some cover songs that otherwise wouldn't be available. They show up as short podcast episodes rather than songs.

I don't think I'll include any in my 31 because of the takedown risks but it's an inventive way to get around big stream.

 

[krista4]

I've had a couple ideas for themes but not of them really got me to 31 songs, so I'm trying to do a mix and now it seems it's just a jumbled mess of songs and I'm probably forgetting some great ones I just can't remember.

I feel like i haven't put enough thought in this yet and am forgetting a lot on my quickly jotted notes. Hopefully I'll have time to get my **** together.

 

[rockaction]

There are so many one-off covers that bands have performed live that I wouldn't nearly be able to listen to them all. Undercover A.V., the A.V. Club's cover series is one of the biggest fonts of one-off covers you will ever hear. BBC also does a ton of that stuff.

So I'm not going to go that route. It seems impossible to listen to and judge all of these things. I'm going to keep it mainly to Spotify (in some cases YouTube) and keep it to bands that thought enough to release a proper cover song under their own appellation (synergy!) and all that entails.

But for people looking, I'd suggest the A.V. Club's "Undercover" as a veritable wellspring of great covers.

There is one band I was considering because I've had the song in my head for about two weeks now, but I won't include it. (I don't think.)

And wouldn't Weird Al technically be considered parody? For copyright purposes, I think he is. I don't think he gets a mechanical license for the songs like cover artists. I think he sits in case law as a nebulous middle between satire (which needs permission from the original artist) and a cover song (which only needs mechanical licensing and is granted whether or not an artist grants permission). He sits in that nebulous middle as parody (which does not need either because of courts and case law).

Anyway, he's not covering the songs unless he does it in his polkas. Least that's what I think. I'm just adding my two cents because I studied copyright in law school in three separate classes and this was always the conclusion about parody and satire and the difference between. In fact, I got bagged at the end of a Socratic method class whilst tuning out when the professor, sensing I was tuning out, asked me to give him the parody/satire policy difference a whirl in my estimation.

"I think it's all right, I said."

"Well, I think it's rubbish," said the professor.

The clock struck and class ended on that note. Everybody laughed. Point taken. He would later hire in the years that followed to do a bibliography for him, which I never did because of illness and concerns that it wasn't really ethical to do so. (Never asked to get paid my hours, either, so it wasn't a total blow-off.)

But that's about that.