The NFL QB Landscape....now that it's over (1 Viewer)

[Stinkin Ref]

Somebody is going to be left on the outside looking in.

SF: Alex Smith, while now a hot commodity, is only a hot commodity because of supply and demand. He is not the answer as even the team he lead to the NFC championship game does not think he is the answer. He will end up in one of these locations (MIA/SF)but it will be like kissing your sister for whoever gets him. Is Colin K. the answer there? Probably not yet.

MIA: Thought all along they should have made a play for Orton. Letting him sign with DAL was a huge mistake. Peyton wasn't going to Miami. Garrard, yeah that will be a sweet way to head into the season.

JAX: Chad freakin Henne?.....really...what is really the difference between him and Gabbert? Hell they should have signed Quinn too and made them all get the same haircuts. They could switch numbers everyday at practice and really F with people.

MIA may have to make a splash and make sure they get Tannehil or something.

Tebow: If I am MIA or JAX I pull the trigger on a trade for Tebow. PR move to take the heat off of not really having a QB. I could see DEN being okay with Henne as a backup to Manning.

SEA did it right. TEN will be OK with status quo.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.

49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm with Andy, Tannehill is the big winner here, if he wasn't already. I can't see him falling outside the top 5 or 6 in the draft now.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

where do you see Smith ending up then?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Either Miami or SF will be left holding the bag.

Which ever team doesn't sign Alex Smith.

 

[MAC_32]

Either Miami or SF will be left holding the bag.Which ever team doesn't sign Alex Smith.

If Miami somehow comes out of this with Matt Moore on top they win. Even though their idiot management doesn't know it.

 

[Man In The Box]

Either Miami or SF will be left holding the bag.Which ever team doesn't sign Alex Smith.

If Miami somehow comes out of this with Matt Moore on top they win. Even though their idiot management doesn't know it.

This guy gets it.

 

[nxmehta]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

It's the other way around. We're not going to take Tannehill. We will, however, sell the pick to the highest bidder which is going to be Miami. If we take a QB it's going to be Weeden in the 2nd. It's actually quite possible we don't take any QBs this year.

 

[MAC_32]

If we take a QB it's going to be Weeden in the 2nd. It's actually quite possible we don't take any QBs this year.

Day 3 project fits the F.O.'s M.O. Hope that's what we do. I don't like Weeden as an early day 2 pick but late day 2/early day 3? Fine.Still don't feel good about trading down, obviously depends on what we get in return though.

 

[wadegarrett]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04

< 1% chance of this happening

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

It's the other way around. We're not going to take Tannehill. We will, however, sell the pick to the highest bidder which is going to be Miami. If we take a QB it's going to be Weeden in the 2nd. It's actually quite possible we don't take any QBs this year.

 

[Doug B]

At this point ... isn't Alex Smith a lock to stay with the Niners? Or did something very recent happen between Smith and the team?

 

[Deamon]

SF: Alex is going back there, I don't see any way around this.

MIA: Draft Tannehill. Either start him asap, or trade for Tebow and roll with Tebow/Tannehill. Not terrible considering how awful the qb situation is shaping up there.

CLE: Either trade for Tebow and roll with Mccoy/Tebow, or stick it out a year with Mccoy and aim for QB in next years draft.

JAX: Trade for Tebow. Do it now. FLorida students by the busload will be showing up each Sunday.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04

< 1% chance of this happening

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

It's the other way around. We're not going to take Tannehill. We will, however, sell the pick to the highest bidder which is going to be Miami. If we take a QB it's going to be Weeden in the 2nd. It's actually quite possible we don't take any QBs this year.

Sorry boys. You're wrong.Miami's not going to trade up to #4 since there's nobody in between 4 and 8 that's going to take Tannehill. If anything, they'll trade up to #3. The only two teams that will be looking for a 1st round QB now are Cleveland and Miami and they'll be dogfighting each other for Tannehill.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

At this point ... isn't Alex Smith a lock to stay with the Niners? Or did something very recent happen between Smith and the team?

Yes.

 

[MAC_32]

CLE: Either trade for Tebow and roll with Mccoy/Tebow, or stick it out a year with Mccoy and aim for QB in next years draft.

0% chance Holmgren/Heckert bring in Tebow.

 

[johnadams]

49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

Uh, no. Smith will be back with niners. Worst case, Josh Johnson comes to hold the reins for the next year or two. Kaepernick is still a project and would have to make a huge leap from last year to get the reins on a team that has SB aspirations.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

Uh, no. Smith will be back with niners. Worst case, Josh Johnson comes to hold the reins for the next year or two. Kaepernick is still a project and would have to make a huge leap from last year to get the reins on a team that has SB aspirations.

Yeah, I wrote that on the way out the door to lunch. Smith should be back with the 49ers.

 

[Deamon]

CLE: Either trade for Tebow and roll with Mccoy/Tebow, or stick it out a year with Mccoy and aim for QB in next years draft.

0% chance Holmgren/Heckert bring in Tebow.

Really?? Hmm... Looks like they're gonna just roll with Colt then. Tebow needs to go to a city that needs some excitement for their fans and doesn't have a clear future QB. Cleve seemed to fit that along with Mia and Jax.

 

[Chase Stuart]

SF: Alex is going back there, I don't see any way around this. MIA: Draft Tannehill. Either start him asap, or trade for Tebow and roll with Tebow/Tannehill. Not terrible considering how awful the qb situation is shaping up there.CLE: Either trade for Tebow and roll with Mccoy/Tebow, or stick it out a year with Mccoy and aim for QB in next years draft.JAX: Trade for Tebow. Do it now. FLorida students by the busload will be showing up each Sunday.

What about Weedon? Isn't he more pro-ready than Tannehill? Maybe that's not a huge deal for the Dolphins, of course, but I don't think he's a bad backup option.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't know why Browns fans are so resistant to Tannehill.

As a plan, taking him then the best WR available at 22 (perhaps Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle) and then best RB available at 37 (Doug Martin/Lamar Miller/David Wilson) at least gives you something to cheer about on offense.

Or as an alternative, you're looking at Richardson, WR, Weeden. That's not bad either, I guess.

 

[wadegarrett]

I don't know why Browns fans are so resistant to Tannehill. As a plan, taking him then the best WR available at 22 (perhaps Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle) and then best RB available at 37 (Doug Martin/Lamar Miller/David Wilson) at least gives you something to cheer about on offense.Or as an alternative, you're looking at Richardson, WR, Weeden. That's not bad either, I guess.

Would rather have Weeden later than reach for a guy who played more WR in college than QB with #4 overall. IMO Heckert thinking this way also.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't know why Browns fans are so resistant to Tannehill. As a plan, taking him then the best WR available at 22 (perhaps Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle) and then best RB available at 37 (Doug Martin/Lamar Miller/David Wilson) at least gives you something to cheer about on offense.Or as an alternative, you're looking at Richardson, WR, Weeden. That's not bad either, I guess.

Would rather have Weeden later than reach for a guy who played more WR in college than QB with #4 overall. IMO Heckert thinking this way also.

In the games he played in college he had 5,450 passing yards and 42 touchdowns. The guy isn't the schlub fans are making him out to be.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

having signed Henne.....is JAC really going to look at Tebow...

Henne: 3/14/2012: Signed a two-year, $6.75 million contract. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus and $1.25 million in incentives each year. 2012: $1 million, 2013: $2.65 million, 2014: Free Agent

I guess they could just cut him and it isn't that big of a hit, but still....

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

 

[Chase Stuart]

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

Don't think that's what Philbin signed up for.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is anyone really going to give more than a 4th for Tebow? And would Denver even take that?

 

[Man In The Box]

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

No.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Is anyone really going to give more than a 4th for Tebow? And would Denver even take that?

Have to imagine Manning said they have to trade Tebow if he goes there.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is anyone really going to give more than a 4th for Tebow? And would Denver even take that?

Have to imagine Manning said they have to trade Tebow if he goes there.

That's true, I suppose.

 

[Village Idiot]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

If the Browns reach and take Tannehill at 1.04 I am burning every piece of clothing that has Browns on it.I don't see anyway they do this.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

Don't think that's what Philbin signed up for.

What did he sign up for Chase? We the fan base sure thought it was part of a master plan to get Flynn and steal some of the good vibes Green Bay has had the last few seasons and bring a winning attitude in here. What did you think the 50 year old 1st time head coach who didn't call the plays as OC in GB signed up for? The fan base is now interested in knowing the answer. Feel bad for Philbin too with the recent loss of his son but this has the trimmings of Cam Cameron all over it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

If the Browns reach and take Tannehill at 1.04 I am burning every piece of clothing that has Browns on it.I don't see anyway they do this.

You'd rather watch Colt McCoy? I'm sorry that your team is stuck at the raw end of supply and demand, but there it is.I think he'll make an excellent WCO quarterback.

 

[Todem]

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

No.

x 1000No way.

 

[Chase Stuart]

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

Don't think that's what Philbin signed up for.

What did he sign up for Chase? We the fan base sure thought it was part of a master plan to get Flynn and steal some of the good vibes Green Bay has had the last few seasons and bring a winning attitude in here. What did you think the 50 year old 1st time head coach who didn't call the plays as OC in GB signed up for? The fan base is now interested in knowing the answer. Feel bad for Philbin too with the recent loss of his son but this has the trimmings of Cam Cameron all over it.

I think he signed up for a coaching job where he would have complete control of the offense and a big say in the hiring of the defense. He had two personal friends to coach the offense and the defense, so the whole team will have his image stamped on it. No, he's not the GM, but he was a big target for Miami and I doubt they're going to try to get into a power struggle right away. Who knows exactly how much of the Marshall trade was driven by Philbin. I see Philbin making this team in his image and we see what happens; that's why the Dolphins hired him.

 

[jurb26]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

If Tannehill goes 1.04 in this draft I think I will throw up in my own mouth.This would be a huge mistake. I'm not opposed to this mistake as a Steeler fan though.Smith will be the starting QB in SF again this year.

 

[johnadams]

Is anyone really going to give more than a 4th for Tebow? And would Denver even take that?

Have to imagine Manning said they have to trade Tebow if he goes there.

That's true, I suppose.

Playing devil's advocate, I actually think that Tebow remaining a Bronco would not be that bad. I don't see much difference with Tebow in DEN or not as to the influence he would have on Manning. If DEN loses a few early or finds themselves trailing in the playoff race, people are going to be talking about why DEN went away from Tebow/signed Peyton regardless of whether he is on the team. To most eyes, regardless of his success last year, Tebow still needs time to develop and not just an off season. Spending 2-3 years behind one of the greatest QBs of all time could be great for him. And DEN has an insurance policy if Manning gets hurt. Of course, Tebow probably sees himself as a starter, DEN doesn't want the distraction, and Manning may not see that Tebow's shadow will loom no matter where Tebow is.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

If Tannehill goes 1.04 in this draft I think I will throw up in my own mouth.This would be a huge mistake. I'm not opposed to this mistake as a Steeler fan though.Smith will be the starting QB in SF again this year.

The mistake would be in not drafting a guy that has NFL ability.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I don't know why Browns fans are so resistant to Tannehill. As a plan, taking him then the best WR available at 22 (perhaps Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle) and then best RB available at 37 (Doug Martin/Lamar Miller/David Wilson) at least gives you something to cheer about on offense.Or as an alternative, you're looking at Richardson, WR, Weeden. That's not bad either, I guess.

Would rather have Weeden later than reach for a guy who played more WR in college than QB with #4 overall. IMO Heckert thinking this way also.

2nd option sounds better. Tannehill has bust potential. Richardson doesn't. Take the sure stud at 4 and draft potential or projects later. Why risk going 0 for 3 when you know you can at least go 1 for 3.

 

[jurb26]

Cleveland will take Tannehill with the 1.04 and the Dolphins will have to take Weeden with the 2.10.49ers will roll with Kaepernick.

If Tannehill goes 1.04 in this draft I think I will throw up in my own mouth.This would be a huge mistake. I'm not opposed to this mistake as a Steeler fan though.Smith will be the starting QB in SF again this year.

The mistake would be in not drafting a guy that has NFL ability.

Trade out of the pick and take him at the more appropriate spot, late 1st. Or trade out of the pick and pick up future 1st/2nd in next years draft from someone looking ot come up and grabe Claiborne. Or just stay put and take the BPA. All are far better options. Tannehill at 1.04 is a huge reach. There are far more talented players on the board at that spot.

 

[wadegarrett]

I don't know why Browns fans are so resistant to Tannehill.

As a plan, taking him then the best WR available at 22 (perhaps Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle) and then best RB available at 37 (Doug Martin/Lamar Miller/David Wilson) at least gives you something to cheer about on offense.

Or as an alternative, you're looking at Richardson, WR, Weeden. That's not bad either, I guess.

Would rather have Weeden later than reach for a guy who played more WR in college than QB with #4 overall. IMO Heckert thinking this way also.

In the games he played in college he had 5,450 passing yards and 42 touchdowns. The guy isn't the schlub fans are making him out to be.

Don't think he is either. But there are better players with less risk there at #4.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Trade out of the pick and take him at the more appropriate spot, late 1st. Or trade out of the pick and pick up future 1st/2nd in next years draft from someone looking ot come up and grabe Claiborne. Or just stay put and take the BPA. All are far better options. Tannehill at 1.04 is a huge reach. There are far more talented players on the board at that spot.

Tannehill at #4 is a reach, of course. But he'll be gone by #22. And then where are they?

Don't think he is either. But there are better players with less risk there at #4.

But it's more risky to not have an NFL caliber QB playing for your team. Of course they'd be overpaying at #4. But one way or another they have to make an attempt to fix the QB position and this year the best prospect capable of doing so (that they can have) is Ryan Tannehill.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't know why Browns fans are so resistant to Tannehill. As a plan, taking him then the best WR available at 22 (perhaps Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle) and then best RB available at 37 (Doug Martin/Lamar Miller/David Wilson) at least gives you something to cheer about on offense.Or as an alternative, you're looking at Richardson, WR, Weeden. That's not bad either, I guess.

Would rather have Weeden later than reach for a guy who played more WR in college than QB with #4 overall. IMO Heckert thinking this way also.

In the games he played in college he had 5,450 passing yards and 42 touchdowns. The guy isn't the schlub fans are making him out to be.

You don't draft projects at the top of round 1, you draft cornerstones. Tannehill is not a cornerstone, he's a project. If somehow he falls to day 2 I won't gripe (although I'd rather it be later round 2 via trade up), but he would be a silly pick at #4 and a poor pick at 22. He has tools, but his play on the field was spotty. Too many mistakes to warrant such a high pick.

 

[MAC_32]

CLE: Either trade for Tebow and roll with Mccoy/Tebow, or stick it out a year with Mccoy and aim for QB in next years draft.

0% chance Holmgren/Heckert bring in Tebow.

Really?? Hmm... Looks like they're gonna just roll with Colt then. Tebow needs to go to a city that needs some excitement for their fans and doesn't have a clear future QB. Cleve seemed to fit that along with Mia and Jax.

Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur are all about bringing in a guy that fits their system, that is the furthest thing from Tebow. They won't adjust to cater their players strengths.

 

[jurb26]

Trade out of the pick and take him at the more appropriate spot, late 1st. Or trade out of the pick and pick up future 1st/2nd in next years draft from someone looking ot come up and grabe Claiborne. Or just stay put and take the BPA. All are far better options. Tannehill at 1.04 is a huge reach. There are far more talented players on the board at that spot.

Tannehill at #4 is a reach, of course. But he'll be gone by #22. And then where are they?

That depends on who they draft. I'd venture to guess a better team because their are much better players available. Tannehill isn't a franchise caliber QB and in all likleyhood is not going to turn out much better than what they currently have IMO. So I would ask you the question; if they do draft him then where are they? I think stuck being mediocre, which again I don't mind.Personally, I think if I where the Browns I'd look to trade the pick for future pics in hopes of getting into a positoin to take next year crop of elite QBs. In the real world, things like that don't happen often though. Not when you are holding the 4th pick. Take the BPA, Claiborne, and go from there.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You don't draft projects at the top of round 1, you draft cornerstones. Tannehill is not a cornerstone, he's a project. If somehow he falls to day 2 I won't gripe (although I'd rather it be later round 2 via trade up), but he would be a silly pick at #4 and a poor pick at 22. He has tools, but his play on the field was spotty. Too many mistakes to warrant such a high pick.

Sometimes, yes. But sometimes you fix your problems. Especially when your #1 problem is quarterback.

Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur are all about bringing in a guy that fits their system, that is the furthest thing from Tebow. They won't adjust to cater their players strengths.

"All about"? How long are they willing to wait until their guy comes around?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Trade out of the pick and take him at the more appropriate spot, late 1st. Or trade out of the pick and pick up future 1st/2nd in next years draft from someone looking ot come up and grabe Claiborne. Or just stay put and take the BPA. All are far better options. Tannehill at 1.04 is a huge reach. There are far more talented players on the board at that spot.

Tannehill at #4 is a reach, of course. But he'll be gone by #22. And then where are they?

That depends on who they draft. I'd venture to guess a better team because their are much better players available. Tannehill isn't a franchise caliber QB and in all likleyhood is not going to turn out much better than what they currently have IMO. So I would ask you the question; if they do draft him then where are they? I think stuck being mediocre, which again I don't mind.Personally, I think if I where the Browns I'd look to trade the pick for future pics in hopes of getting into a positoin to take next year crop of elite QBs. In the real world, things like that don't happen often though. Not when you are holding the 4th pick. Take the BPA, Claiborne, and go from there.

A "better team" means that they get more wins. I don't believe that adding Trent Richardson/Morris Claiborne and standing pat at the QB position will add more wins. I just don't.Tannehill absolutely has the tools to be a starting QB, especially in the WCO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Anytime I get down about being a Vikings fan, I think of Browns and Dolphins fans and all of a sudden I don't feel so bad anymore.

 

[wadegarrett]

Anytime I get down about being a Vikings fan, I think of Browns and Dolphins fans and all of a sudden I don't feel so bad anymore.

Is that because of all the Super Bowl's the Vikings have won?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

MIA should make the move for Tebow...like right now...Marshall is gone so he can't complain....the rest of the WR's are journeyman types lucky to have a job.....they should trade for Tebow.....sign a M. Bush/Benson type to go with Reggie and run the offense DEN did last year....bring in a couple WR's and call it good.....at least Tebow gives MIA some buzz...

Don't think that's what Philbin signed up for.

What did he sign up for Chase? We the fan base sure thought it was part of a master plan to get Flynn and steal some of the good vibes Green Bay has had the last few seasons and bring a winning attitude in here. What did you think the 50 year old 1st time head coach who didn't call the plays as OC in GB signed up for? The fan base is now interested in knowing the answer. Feel bad for Philbin too with the recent loss of his son but this has the trimmings of Cam Cameron all over it.

I think he signed up for a coaching job where he would have complete control of the offense and a big say in the hiring of the defense. He had two personal friends to coach the offense and the defense, so the whole team will have his image stamped on it. No, he's not the GM, but he was a big target for Miami and I doubt they're going to try to get into a power struggle right away. Who knows exactly how much of the Marshall trade was driven by Philbin. I see Philbin making this team in his image and we see what happens; that's why the Dolphins hired him.

sooooooo....what do you see them doing at QB....?wouldn't "complete control" have included probably doing whatever it took to get Flynn...?...especially after it was clear Manning wasn't going there.....Miami front offense must not be on the same page as the "complete control" you say Philbin wanted.....he is very easily looking at being stuck with Moore or David Freking Garrard....do you think that is what he signed up for....heck I don't think even Alex Smith is what he would say he "signed up for".....lets say Smith doesn't sign with MIA.....what is the plan for the image Philbin wants to have....while I will agree it probably didn't include Tebow.....I will venture to guess it also didn't include David Garrard and Matt Moore....so dismissing Tebow as an option seems kind of crazy when you are looking at those two as "better" options...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Anytime I get down about being a Vikings fan, I think of Browns and Dolphins fans and all of a sudden I don't feel so bad anymore.

Is that because of all the Super Bowl's the Vikings have won?

They would have won all four that they've been in if they hadn't lost them to the Browns. Oh...wait...I'd also like to remind you that your offensive coordinator is now Brad Childress.

 

[dgreen]

But one way or another they have to make an attempt to fix the QB position and this year the best prospect capable of doing so (that they can have) is Ryan Tannehill.

But they don't have to fix the QB position this year. Reaching is reaching, no matter how badly you want to fill a need. Tannehill isn't going to be the last QB prospect to hit the draft.