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i have never liked timlin. ever.
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The OFFICIAL 2007 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
good game by dice k, gagne gives up another run & paps puts 2 on in the ninth....nice win though. let's win tomorrow to take the series & then it's off to socal & the angels.
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wilked
Footballguy
Lopez sent down for Schill...
Basically he was the guy with options left, so he will go down for a month. Sox pitching staff is pretty ridiculous at the moment...
Beckett/Matsuzaka/Schill/Wake/Lester
Papelbon/Gagne/Oki/DelCarmen/Timlin/Snyder/Tavarez
with a bunch of callups ready (Lopez/Buch/Hansen)
Basically he was the guy with options left, so he will go down for a month. Sox pitching staff is pretty ridiculous at the moment...
Beckett/Matsuzaka/Schill/Wake/Lester
Papelbon/Gagne/Oki/DelCarmen/Timlin/Snyder/Tavarez
with a bunch of callups ready (Lopez/Buch/Hansen)
wilked
Footballguy
Last one...highly encouraging to see the Beckett/Dice strike out 20 guys combined against the team with the 3rd fewest strikeouts...
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_sta...p;sortByStat=SO
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_sta...p;sortByStat=SO
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Off the top of my head, right now I like Beckett Eric BedardSabathiaHarenCarmonaEscobarWang is somewhat behind all of the above guys.wilked said:Nice game by Beckett today, continues to be a strong contender for the Cy (assuming Wang does not surpass him)Can't wait to see the 'New Schill' tomorrow night
the moops
Footballguy
HarenSantanaBeckettBedardThat would be my top 45, 6 and 7 would probably be Dice-K, Papelbon and Oki.Off the top of my head, right now I like Beckett Eric BedardSabathiaHarenCarmonaEscobarWang is somewhat behind all of the above guys.wilked said:Nice game by Beckett today, continues to be a strong contender for the Cy (assuming Wang does not surpass him)Can't wait to see the 'New Schill' tomorrow night
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
nice series win! let's take game 1 against the angels & let the other 2 sort themselves out. it's schilling, wake, lester over these 3 games?
wilked
Footballguy
yepAs has been the case, just need to keep winning series
wilked
Footballguy
Kielty signed...
Kielty has a career record of 286/343/460, OPS+ of 110, as a PH, and about 820 OPS against LHP. He is not the Dye signing I wanted, but he will do
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The Red Sox have signed outfielder Bobby Kielty to a minor league deal. He is expected to report to Pawtucket to join the PawSox on Wednesday.
The plan is to get him some at-bats with the hopes he can join the Red Sox once he shows he's ready to play.
Kielty has a career record of 286/343/460, OPS+ of 110, as a PH, and about 820 OPS against LHP. He is not the Dye signing I wanted, but he will do
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The Red Sox have signed outfielder Bobby Kielty to a minor league deal. He is expected to report to Pawtucket to join the PawSox on Wednesday.
The plan is to get him some at-bats with the hopes he can join the Red Sox once he shows he's ready to play.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
####### umps were BRUTAL tonight. let's go wake!
Zombie Kid
Footballguy
A's fan here. Bedard should win this, he's had an incredible year.HarenSantanaBeckettBedardThat would be my top 45, 6 and 7 would probably be Dice-K, Papelbon and Oki.Off the top of my head, right now I like Beckett Eric BedardSabathiaHarenCarmonaEscobarWang is somewhat behind all of the above guys.Nice game by Beckett today, continues to be a strong contender for the Cy (assuming Wang does not surpass him
the moops
Footballguy
He has had an incredible year. Just don't see how you don't give it to Haren though. Lower ERA, lower WHIP, better ERA+. Bedard has him in strikeouts, by a healthy margin...not sure that should be enough to give him the award though.Zombie Kid said:A's fan here. Bedard should win this, he's had an incredible year.HarenSantanaBeckettBedardThat would be my top 45, 6 and 7 would probably be Dice-K, Papelbon and Oki.Off the top of my head, right now I like Beckett Eric BedardSabathiaHarenCarmonaEscobarWang is somewhat behind all of the above guys.Nice game by Beckett today, continues to be a strong contender for the Cy (assuming Wang does not surpass him)Can't wait to see the 'New Schill' tomorrow night
wilked
Footballguy
warrantedManny had to know he was getting tossed.As for his argument, he had a strong case, but you gotta keep your head
wilked
Footballguy
last night was one of those nights where on paper you win, reality you lose. 8 hits, 4 walks, 3 stolen bases, a HR, and you only have 2 runs to show for it? On the flip side, Schilling fell asleep not convering 1st on an easy DP ball (cost them at least 1 run), Moss bobbling a fly ball (cost them 1 run), Moss throwing to the wrong base (cost them a base, subsequently a run), and then Manny getting tossed early, so that instead of him hitting in big spots it was a rookie playing his first MLB game.
I say chalk it up to one of those games...win tonight, and move on
I say chalk it up to one of those games...win tonight, and move on
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
he had a case, but you don't argue balls & strikes. on the ball moss bobbled, the angel runner clearly left the bag before the ball was caught. he went right when the ball hit his glove, but it was subsequently bobbled, there were more questionable calls, but that's baseball. move on & get the win tonight.wilked said:
wilked
Footballguy
he can leave once the ball touches the glove, to discourage someone intentionally doing what Moss did
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
first beer cracked in preparation for tonights game....
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
well ####. consider my ####### puckered. i went to the gane tonight & the only possitive i have id that we were representing about 40^% of the stadium. little good that did us. timely hits by the halo's & loweel being thrown out at home was awful. never make the first out at home! good thing i was able to get hoxxammered in the diamond club.
more sensical posting tommorrow. out
more sensical posting tommorrow. out
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Drunk posting.......nice.
the moops
Footballguy
It took a perfect relay to get him. He is probably safe 9 times out of 10.And they lost 10-4. Losing one run didn't make a damn difference.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
you never make the first out at home. 2nd & 3rd no outs is a lot different situation, who knows what happens. it was a great play, what can you do.love the win tonight. i thought the team showed a lot of fight & really stuck it out. #### that angel team can hit. we get them for 4 more later in the month.
should be some more great baseball.
Nigel
Footballguy
Only watched one inning last night, then caught the highlights this morning on NESN. I didn't have a whole lot of hope with the lineup they rolled out last night. Tito really dodged one. If they had lost he would have been crucified for giving Coco the night off despite Ortiz being out of the lineup unexpectadly. Winning with Moss and Pena as the corner outfielders and Drew in center is close to miraculous. Finally some timely hitting, great win for the Sox going into Baltimore. 
Oh, and so much for a 2nd half swoon for Lowell.
Oh, and so much for a 2nd half swoon for Lowell.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
this is a very good point. that lineup last night was freaky.Only watched one inning last night, then caught the highlights this morning on NESN. I didn't have a whole lot of hope with the lineup they rolled out last night. Tito really dodged one. If they had lost he would have been crucified for giving Coco the night off despite Ortiz being out of the lineup unexpectadly. Winning with Moss and Pena as the corner outfielders and Drew in center is close to miraculous. Finally some timely hitting, great win for the Sox going into Baltimore.Oh, and so much for a 2nd half swoon for Lowell.
wilked
Footballguy
Moss got his first hit, and it was a big one...glad to see him do that before he is sent back down...I would say Lester started his last game this year for the club. He isn't ready...maybe it is the cancer recovery, maybe not, but he needs more time to get a more consistent delivery and find the strike zone betterthis is a very good point. that lineup last night was freaky.Only watched one inning last night, then caught the highlights this morning on NESN. I didn't have a whole lot of hope with the lineup they rolled out last night. Tito really dodged one. If they had lost he would have been crucified for giving Coco the night off despite Ortiz being out of the lineup unexpectadly. Winning with Moss and Pena as the corner outfielders and Drew in center is close to miraculous. Finally some timely hitting, great win for the Sox going into Baltimore.
Nigel
Footballguy
Who do you think they bring up? The obvious choice is and the one I'd love to see is Buchholz, but isn't he on a strict total inning limit for the year (like 140 or sometehing)? If they threw him in the rotation now he'd exceed it by mid-sept.Moss got his first hit, and it was a big one...glad to see him do that before he is sent back down...I would say Lester started his last game this year for the club. He isn't ready...maybe it is the cancer recovery, maybe not, but he needs more time to get a more consistent delivery and find the strike zone betterthis is a very good point. that lineup last night was freaky.Only watched one inning last night, then caught the highlights this morning on NESN. I didn't have a whole lot of hope with the lineup they rolled out last night. Tito really dodged one. If they had lost he would have been crucified for giving Coco the night off despite Ortiz being out of the lineup unexpectadly. Winning with Moss and Pena as the corner outfielders and Drew in center is close to miraculous. Finally some timely hitting, great win for the Sox going into Baltimore.
wilked
Footballguy
I think it will be Buch...not a lot of other options...Hansack being the only other one I can really think of. Especially with the DoubleHeader coming up, it will be tricky. I think that will be Buch's first start (hope so, I have tickets to the day game). That still leaves them a 5th starter short for next week...Edit to add:OK, looks like they need a starter vs. Tampa next week. It pretty much has to be Lester or Tavarez, so I imagine Lester will get the call. Then, in the doubkleheader against LAA, I am convinced Buch makes his MLB debut. Then, depending upon the result of both of their starts, I imagine Theo makes a call on who should start the next game between the two of themWho do you think they bring up? The obvious choice is and the one I'd love to see is Buchholz, but isn't he on a strict total inning limit for the year (like 140 or sometehing)? If they threw him in the rotation now he'd exceed it by mid-sept.Moss got his first hit, and it was a big one...glad to see him do that before he is sent back down...I would say Lester started his last game this year for the club. He isn't ready...maybe it is the cancer recovery, maybe not, but he needs more time to get a more consistent delivery and find the strike zone betterthis is a very good point. that lineup last night was freaky.Only watched one inning last night, then caught the highlights this morning on NESN. I didn't have a whole lot of hope with the lineup they rolled out last night. Tito really dodged one. If they had lost he would have been crucified for giving Coco the night off despite Ortiz being out of the lineup unexpectadly. Winning with Moss and Pena as the corner outfielders and Drew in center is close to miraculous. Finally some timely hitting, great win for the Sox going into Baltimore.Oh, and so much for a 2nd half swoon for Lowell.
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Bedard better pitch a complete game if there's any hope for the O's to win. I know this is a Saux thread, but the O's pen has been atrocious in the series against the Mariners.
wilked
Footballguy
Ya, plus they just dealt an arm. That has to be the obvious Sox strategy, wear Bedard down, take a lot of pitches
wilked
Footballguy
btw, top 5 AL Rookies by VORP
Dice-K - 38
Guthrie - 35
Oki - 31
Pedroia - 29
Harris - 23
Harris has no shot at the ROY, so it is between the others. Realistically I don't think they give it to Oki (though he has been THE most valuable [by VORP] AL Reliever this year), simply because he is a setup man. I don't think anyone can really argue Guthrie has been better then Dice-K, so I would cross him out. That leaves Matsuzaka and Pedroia. If people want to penalize Dice-K because he was an ace in Japan, then Pedroia should get the nod. I personally can see the case for both of them, but I give it to Pedroia.
Dice-K - 38
Guthrie - 35
Oki - 31
Pedroia - 29
Harris - 23
Harris has no shot at the ROY, so it is between the others. Realistically I don't think they give it to Oki (though he has been THE most valuable [by VORP] AL Reliever this year), simply because he is a setup man. I don't think anyone can really argue Guthrie has been better then Dice-K, so I would cross him out. That leaves Matsuzaka and Pedroia. If people want to penalize Dice-K because he was an ace in Japan, then Pedroia should get the nod. I personally can see the case for both of them, but I give it to Pedroia.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Yeah let's not give it to the guy who has less hits, runs, earned runs,walks, a better ERA, better WHip and higher winning % than Dice-K. Things might change.....but to say that Dice-K is unarguably better than Jeremy Guthrie is the height of homerism.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Guthrie has a lower ERA, WHIP, and BAA than DiceK stat geek.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Gagne... I thought he was supposed to shorten games?
I thought he was supposed to shorten games?Darth Cheney
Footballguy
IP H R ER BB K HR ERAE. Gagne 0.1 3 4 4 1 0 0 3.44 H. Okajima (L, 3-1; BS, 2) 1.1 2 1 1 0 1 0 1.11
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wilked
Footballguy
lol at stat geek...nice one!
7IP 1 run tonight...He has pitched more innings, has twice as many wins, almost twice as many strikeouts, and has done so under the Boston spotlight. Guthrie has a definite right to be considered, but I would be surprised if he gets half as many votes as Dice-K. Do you really consider him to be a better pitcher? I don't think there is much question which has been more valuable for their team. Christ, people have been saying they like Bedard as the Cy, and Matsuzaka outdueled him on the road tonight
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
When Matzu left the game after the 7th it was 1-0 Orioles. Stat line is identical besides er, 1 of which was scored with Bedard on the mound in the 8th, and 2 runners that he was responsible for. I wouldn't call that "outdueld" and with the amount of ####### red sox fans in attendance, I wouldn't call it a road game either.
Great game to watch and should make for a nice weekend series.
wilked
Footballguy
True, they played each other basically to a drawGood game until the bullpens blew up
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