tikigods
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...and Drew over ran that ball in RF.
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The OFFICIAL 2007 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
You need me to come down there today? I'll wear Yankees gear of course, but I'm good at annoying people and I'll use those powers against the RedSox carpetbaggers.When Matzu left the game after the 7th it was 1-0 Orioles. Stat line is identical besides er, 1 of which was scored with Bedard on the mound in the 8th, and 2 runners that he was responsible for. I wouldn't call that "outdueld" and with the amount of ####### red sox fans in attendance, I wouldn't call it a road game either.
wilked
Footballguy
that's a footnote..Gagne's meltdown was the storytikigods said:...and Drew over ran that ball in RF.
tikigods
Footballguy
Wily Mo would have fallen down.that's a footnote..Gagne's meltdown was the storytikigods said:...and Drew over ran that ball in RF.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
they're still a touch achy. we can still take this series however.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i think my nuts have stopped aching. win tomorrow & we take the series. keep it up sox!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Just wanted to mention that I always Tivo the Sawx pre-game show because I'm in lust with Tina Cervasio.
I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!
WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!
WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
pics? duh...Just wanted to mention that I always Tivo the Sawx pre-game show because I'm in lust with Tina Cervasio.I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Sox wanted Gagne again why?
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Dear NYY,
Welcome back into the pennant race!
Signed
Oki and Gagne
Welcome back into the pennant race!
Signed
Oki and Gagne
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Eric Gagne's ERA has to be around 18.00 in a RedSox uniform.OkieDokieDr.Jones looking human.Can Papelblown can throw on consecutive days?Maybe they can put Beckett in there on his days off?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Great series. Economy was booming in Baltimore this weekend.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Just got back.Although it was closer to 60/40 Sox fans to Oriole fans today, it was more like 75/25 yesterday.Every restaurant and bar was full of Red Sox fans last night. Baltimore business owners LOVED this past weekend.BTW. FRANCONA IS A MORON AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I was in Baltimore with 4 buddies for today's and yesterday's games and we saw Tina in the Sox dugout closeup today.EVERYONE IS OR SHOULD BE WITH YOU.Just wanted to mention that I always Tivo the Sawx pre-game show because I'm in lust with Tina Cervasio.I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
* <------------ tightly puckered #######. as mentioned above, we should have swept this series. it's the clemens factor, everyone tells you, you're the best, & you stert to believe it as do the people around you. & then you proceed to play like ####. we better pull this #### together, & i mean soon! i don't like crow that much!
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
hello?pics? duh...Just wanted to mention that I always Tivo the Sawx pre-game show because I'm in lust with Tina Cervasio.I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
shadyridr
Footballguy
Thats what happens when you add a pitcher into the mix that they had no reason to add except to stop the Yankees from getting him.wtf happened to best bullpen in baseballstarters gave up a collective 3 ERs while pitching 21+ innings this series...bullpen, not so much
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Only reason I didn't jump down your throat the first time is because you are my Raider brethren.A three second Google search will provide what you're seeking.DA RAIDERS said:hello?pics? duh...Just wanted to mention that I always Tivo the Sawx pre-game show because I'm in lust with Tina Cervasio.I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
but i am lazy...Only reason I didn't jump down your throat the first time is because you are my Raider brethren.A three second Google search will provide what you're seeking.DA RAIDERS said:hello?pics? duh...Just wanted to mention that I always Tivo the Sawx pre-game show because I'm in lust with Tina Cervasio.I'd like to give her the best 14 seconds of her life!WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!
Steelnation
Footballguy
amen brotherCan someone update the thread title?shadyridr said:Thats what happens when you add a pitcher into the mix that they had no reason to add except to stop the Yankees from getting him.wtf happened to best bullpen in baseballstarters gave up a collective 3 ERs while pitching 21+ innings this series...bullpen, not so much
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Hey Saux fans, all this stuff about how you should have swept the O's is sort of absurd. Bedard gets out of the jam in the 8th on Friday if the umpire calls either the check swing or the pitch on the corner to Wily Mo properly. Pena struck out TWICE in the same at bat before he gets that soft single that starts the big rally. So it's only baseball karma evening up that the O's come back to win on Markakis' SF. (Don't forget that rally from 5 down in the 9th back in Boston on Mothers Day. Lots of karma coming home to roost in this series)
Saturday game I'll give you. Beckett is awesome.
Sunday, you only got 3 runs off of Traschel. With that line-up you should be ashamed. And again, Gag-me does throw 9 straight fastballs to Miggy, and anybody can hit an HR if they know a mid 80s fastball is coming.
So I'd say that getting 1 out of 3 is about what the Saux should have expected. Your problem is the Yankees are playing so hot right now that this isn't good enough.
Saturday game I'll give you. Beckett is awesome.
Sunday, you only got 3 runs off of Traschel. With that line-up you should be ashamed. And again, Gag-me does throw 9 straight fastballs to Miggy, and anybody can hit an HR if they know a mid 80s fastball is coming.
So I'd say that getting 1 out of 3 is about what the Saux should have expected. Your problem is the Yankees are playing so hot right now that this isn't good enough.
wilked
Footballguy
I am pretty sure the Red Sox are the only team in the majors with 70+ wins...unless I am wrong they have the best record in the leeg
wilked
Footballguy
wow, lot of misinformation in here...where should I startWily Mo got jobbed on a check swing that was called a strike even though it wasn't close...the knee-high fastball 'ball' call was a makeup for that. So the karma was already evened out thereAnd Gagne was hitting 96 on the gun with his fastball, not 80s...Other then that, looked pretty good. Sox deserved 2/3, but #### happensHey Saux fans, all this stuff about how you should have swept the O's is sort of absurd. Bedard gets out of the jam in the 8th on Friday if the umpire calls either the check swing or the pitch on the corner to Wily Mo properly. Pena struck out TWICE in the same at bat before he gets that soft single that starts the big rally. So it's only baseball karma evening up that the O's come back to win on Markakis' SF. (Don't forget that rally from 5 down in the 9th back in Boston on Mothers Day. Lots of karma coming home to roost in this series)Saturday game I'll give you. Beckett is awesome.
If Gagne is throwing 96, then there's no way Miggy hits one out. But more importantly doesn't Gagne throw any breaking stuff?As for Wily Mo, if Jim Palmer says they were all strikes, that's good enough for me.wow, lot of misinformation in here...where should I startWily Mo got jobbed on a check swing that was called a strike even though it wasn't close...the knee-high fastball 'ball' call was a makeup for that. So the karma was already evened out thereAnd Gagne was hitting 96 on the gun with his fastball, not 80s...Other then that, looked pretty good. Sox deserved 2/3, but #### happensHey Saux fans, all this stuff about how you should have swept the O's is sort of absurd. Bedard gets out of the jam in the 8th on Friday if the umpire calls either the check swing or the pitch on the corner to Wily Mo properly. Pena struck out TWICE in the same at bat before he gets that soft single that starts the big rally. So it's only baseball karma evening up that the O's come back to win on Markakis' SF. (Don't forget that rally from 5 down in the 9th back in Boston on Mothers Day. Lots of karma coming home to roost in this series)Saturday game I'll give you. Beckett is awesome.
And what about check swing #2? He went even further around on that one than the first one.Oh and who threw the hanging curve to Millar in the 10th?
wilked
Footballguy
96 was the gun, meaning it was probably 93-94. You mean to tell me Miggy can't hit a mid-90s straight fastball (he is a fastball hitter btw)The second check swing was close, I agree, but no way do they call two close check swing strikes in that AB. It was close enough that it could have gone either way. IMO he held up on both.Snyder was the pitcher that gave up the Millar blast.If Gagne is throwing 96, then there's no way Miggy hits one out. But more importantly doesn't Gagne throw any breaking stuff?As for Wily Mo, if Jim Palmer says they were all strikes, that's good enough for me.And what about check swing #2? He went even further around on that one than the first one.Oh and who threw the hanging curve to Millar in the 10th?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I was there. The fastball that Tejada hit for the game tying homer was straight and SLOW. High 80's max.Francona cost us 2 games in this series. You dont let Gagne give up 4 runs on Friday when you have Oki ready in the bullpen. He gives up 2 and shows he has nothing, he is out of there.Why take Oki out Sunday in the 8th after 1 out and a walk. FRANCONA = STUPIDwow, lot of misinformation in here...where should I startWily Mo got jobbed on a check swing that was called a strike even though it wasn't close...the knee-high fastball 'ball' call was a makeup for that. So the karma was already evened out thereAnd Gagne was hitting 96 on the gun with his fastball, not 80s...Other then that, looked pretty good. Sox deserved 2/3, but #### happensHey Saux fans, all this stuff about how you should have swept the O's is sort of absurd. Bedard gets out of the jam in the 8th on Friday if the umpire calls either the check swing or the pitch on the corner to Wily Mo properly. Pena struck out TWICE in the same at bat before he gets that soft single that starts the big rally. So it's only baseball karma evening up that the O's come back to win on Markakis' SF. (Don't forget that rally from 5 down in the 9th back in Boston on Mothers Day. Lots of karma coming home to roost in this series)Saturday game I'll give you. Beckett is awesome.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I dont care what the gun says. He was not throwing as hard as Delcarmen, Beckett or Papelbon on Saturday who were all hitting 96-98.96 was the gun, meaning it was probably 93-94. You mean to tell me Miggy can't hit a mid-90s straight fastball (he is a fastball hitter btw)The second check swing was close, I agree, but no way do they call two close check swing strikes in that AB. It was close enough that it could have gone either way. IMO he held up on both.Snyder was the pitcher that gave up the Millar blast.If Gagne is throwing 96, then there's no way Miggy hits one out. But more importantly doesn't Gagne throw any breaking stuff?As for Wily Mo, if Jim Palmer says they were all strikes, that's good enough for me.
wilked
Footballguy
Me, I trust the gun (at least relatively...not the absolute number). The difference to me is that the other guys have good movement on their fastballs, Gagne does not. His fastball is far from his best pitchbtw, Francona's comments today...velocity is fine for Gagne, health is fineI dont care what the gun says. He was not throwing as hard as Delcarmen, Beckett or Papelbon on Saturday who were all hitting 96-98.96 was the gun, meaning it was probably 93-94. You mean to tell me Miggy can't hit a mid-90s straight fastball (he is a fastball hitter btw)The second check swing was close, I agree, but no way do they call two close check swing strikes in that AB. It was close enough that it could have gone either way. IMO he held up on both.If Gagne is throwing 96, then there's no way Miggy hits one out. But more importantly doesn't Gagne throw any breaking stuff?
As for Wily Mo, if Jim Palmer says they were all strikes, that's good enough for me.
Oh and who threw the hanging curve to Millar in the 10th?
Snyder was the pitcher that gave up the Millar blast.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
Personally I think he is overthrowing, and choosing bad pitches
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
1. I dont believe a think Francona says.2. I didnt think Gagne looked right yesterday. I cant say about Friday because I didnt see it.Me, I trust the gun (at least relatively...not the absolute number). The difference to me is that the other guys have good movement on their fastballs, Gagne does not. His fastball is far from his best pitchbtw, Francona's comments today...velocity is fine for Gagne, health is fineI dont care what the gun says. He was not throwing as hard as Delcarmen, Beckett or Papelbon on Saturday who were all hitting 96-98.96 was the gun, meaning it was probably 93-94. You mean to tell me Miggy can't hit a mid-90s straight fastball (he is a fastball hitter btw)The second check swing was close, I agree, but no way do they call two close check swing strikes in that AB. It was close enough that it could have gone either way. IMO he held up on both.If Gagne is throwing 96, then there's no way Miggy hits one out. But more importantly doesn't Gagne throw any breaking stuff?
As for Wily Mo, if Jim Palmer says they were all strikes, that's good enough for me.
Oh and who threw the hanging curve to Millar in the 10th?
Snyder was the pitcher that gave up the Millar blast.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
Personally I think he is overthrowing, and choosing bad pitches
HellToupee
Footballguy
phew needed the win
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
This is what DC Thunder was pointing out originally. The Sox shouldn't have swept, and they didn't deserve 2/3. Where is this entitlement coming from besides the payroll?wow, lot of misinformation in here...where should I startWily Mo got jobbed on a check swing that was called a strike even though it wasn't close...the knee-high fastball 'ball' call was a makeup for that. So the karma was already evened out thereHey Saux fans, all this stuff about how you should have swept the O's is sort of absurd. Bedard gets out of the jam in the 8th on Friday if the umpire calls either the check swing or the pitch on the corner to Wily Mo properly. Pena struck out TWICE in the same at bat before he gets that soft single that starts the big rally. So it's only baseball karma evening up that the O's come back to win on Markakis' SF. (Don't forget that rally from 5 down in the 9th back in Boston on Mothers Day. Lots of karma coming home to roost in this series)
Saturday game I'll give you. Beckett is awesome.
Sunday, you only got 3 runs off of Traschel. With that line-up you should be ashamed. And again, Gag-me does throw 9 straight fastballs to Miggy, and anybody can hit an HR if they know a mid 80s fastball is coming.
So I'd say that getting 1 out of 3 is about what the Saux should have expected. Your problem is the Yankees are playing so hot right now that this isn't good enough.
And Gagne was hitting 96 on the gun with his fastball, not 80s...
Other then that, looked pretty good. Sox deserved 2/3, but #### happens
wilked
Footballguy
Steve Phillips was on ESPN radio this morning. He was asked about what he thought Eric Gagne's issue was. He said that he thought it was pitch selection. He referenced a scouting service that ESPN uses (Inside Pitch? or something like that) the data that they have supplied have Gagne throwing 51% fastballs in Boston versus 41% in Texas and 21% changups in Boston versus 40% in Texas.
wharf rat
Footballguy
Maybe the problem is that this is not 2004. He hasn't been the same since the injuries.Me, I trust the gun (at least relatively...not the absolute number). The difference to me is that the other guys have good movement on their fastballs, Gagne does not. His fastball is far from his best pitchbtw, Francona's comments today...velocity is fine for Gagne, health is fineI dont care what the gun says. He was not throwing as hard as Delcarmen, Beckett or Papelbon on Saturday who were all hitting 96-98.96 was the gun, meaning it was probably 93-94. You mean to tell me Miggy can't hit a mid-90s straight fastball (he is a fastball hitter btw)The second check swing was close, I agree, but no way do they call two close check swing strikes in that AB. It was close enough that it could have gone either way. IMO he held up on both.If Gagne is throwing 96, then there's no way Miggy hits one out. But more importantly doesn't Gagne throw any breaking stuff?
As for Wily Mo, if Jim Palmer says they were all strikes, that's good enough for me.
Oh and who threw the hanging curve to Millar in the 10th?
Snyder was the pitcher that gave up the Millar blast.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/
Personally I think he is overthrowing, and choosing bad pitches
wilked
Footballguy
Are you suggesting that he has not been dominant most of the year with Texas?
Alias
Footballguy
or not
Capella
Footballguy
Agreed. Rays definitely let Kaz down.They need to score some ####### runs for this kid.
