David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think Boston has a slew of players that are banged up and would benefit from more time off (Manny, Papi, Youk, Coco, relievers, etc.)
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The OFFICIAL 2007 Boston Red Sox Thread (1 Viewer)
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Alias
Footballguy
placed an order for this cap on Saturday 
suspiciously missing from their website now, no ability to track my order on their website either I call them up and I am told it is on backorder for 5-7 days
They really need to tell you this upfront when you place the order, paying a few extra bucks for 2nd day air only to find out they scammed you into purchasing a back ordered item that may not ship for up to a week later, there are not enough
to describe this lame customer service.
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RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Batboy.
wilked
Footballguy
I hate to break it to you...but those hats are kinda fruity IMO. Reminds me of Suzie's shirts she made (from Curb Your Enthusiasm)suspiciously missing from their website now, no ability to track my order on their website either
I call them up and I am told it is on backorder for 5-7 days
They really need to tell you this upfront when you place the order, paying a few extra bucks for 2nd day air only to find out they scammed you into purchasing a back ordered item that may not ship for up to a week later, there are not enough
Alias
Footballguy
Yeah but I would still take it over this cartoon mockup which is what they are currently sellingI hate to break it to you...but those hats are kinda fruity IMO. Reminds me of Suzie's shirts she made (from Curb Your Enthusiasm)placed an order for this cap on Saturday
I call them up and I am told it is on backorder for 5-7 days
They really need to tell you this upfront when you place the order, paying a few extra bucks for 2nd day air only to find out they scammed you into purchasing a back ordered item that may not ship for up to a week later, there are not enough
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
He isn't the only one who sucked real bad in that bullpen last night.Game seemed decided to me when Ortiz, Manny, Lowell went down in order in the 10th.
Routilla
Footballguy
True. They folded like a cheap pair of pants. The late Touchdown by CLE just confirmed it.He isn't the only one who sucked real bad in that bullpen last night.Game seemed decided to me when Ortiz, Manny, Lowell went down in order in the 10th.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
uhhhh...ok. blame it on the offense. i don't think that was the problem in that game, top to bottom. from delcarmen & then to gagme, not to mention schilling, the pitching suckedHe isn't the only one who sucked real bad in that bullpen last night.Game seemed decided to me when Ortiz, Manny, Lowell went down in order in the 10th.
Alias
Footballguy
snagged from SoSH:CLAYTON: Wait, wait. You say that if somebody steals a base in the World Series...COCO: Yeah, only one, though - the first stolen base - Taco Bell will give one taco to everybody in America.CLAYTON: Everybody what?COCO: In America.CLAYTON: That day?COCO: I don't know, it doesn't say.CLAYTON: What the hell you talking about, it's gotta be that day.COCO: But there are only like two more hours left in the day.CLAYTON: So what? That's what the deal has to be. How you gonna come in and say 'I ain't got my taco'? You could go to every Taco Bell in the world and say that. 'I ain't got my taco.' How they gonna know?Gehrig38 = Schilling, he has been starting the game threads over at SoSH:
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Jose?
humans_being
Footballguy
Jose Melendez. A poster at SoSH. His Jose Melendez's "Keys To The Game" are one of the staple's to the game threads.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Jose is good people
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
#### YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Congrats Red Sox fans. Another dominating performance.
Did Papelbon's glove ever land? Reminded me of the Mets...
Did Papelbon's glove ever land? Reminded me of the Mets...
Steelnation
Footballguy
Not sure a "high-level" analysis is required here......everyone knows we own you.' date='Apr 2 2007, 11:53 AM' post='6551240']
Way to start off the season (and forum) as a solid contributor....I hope we can expect this sort of high-level analysis from you all season.Oh, and by the way, The Bosox BLOW
Congrats Bosox Fans 
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Hanley Ramirez
Anabel Sanchez
for
Josh Beckett
Mike Lowell
Anabel Sanchez
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Josh Beckett
Mike Lowell
Alias
Footballguy
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Frankly I think everyone wins in that trade. Boston gets two superstars including a kid who might turn into the next generation's roger clemens. They picked up a phenom at SS (Ramirez) and a solid young arm in Sanchez. They couldn't afford to keep Beckett so they needed to move him for youth. Don't get me wrong... you can't put a price on a guy like Beckett... but Marlns didn't exactly get jobbed
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Agreed. I'm not saying FLA got jobbed, I'm just saying...DAMN.Frankly I think everyone wins in that trade. Boston gets two superstars including a kid who might turn into the next generation's roger clemens. They picked up a phenom at SS (Ramirez) and a solid young arm in Sanchez. They couldn't afford to keep Beckett so they needed to move him for youth. Don't get me wrong... you can't put a price on a guy like Beckett... but Marlns didn't exactly get jobbed
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
My question is, how the hell did Beckett have a 5.00 ERA last season?Agreed. I'm not saying FLA got jobbed, I'm just saying...DAMN.Frankly I think everyone wins in that trade. Boston gets two superstars including a kid who might turn into the next generation's roger clemens. They picked up a phenom at SS (Ramirez) and a solid young arm in Sanchez. They couldn't afford to keep Beckett so they needed to move him for youth. Don't get me wrong... you can't put a price on a guy like Beckett... but Marlns didn't exactly get jobbed
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Adjustment period to the AL. Kid was having trouble with his pitch selection. Was afraid of his curve..etc.
For what it's worth, Francona has gone on record saying he has seen the same thing in Dice and fully expects him to have a stellar year next year after an initial adjustment year (ala Beckett). I have no idea how legit this is but Tito is usually not one to blow smoke..... if so It could be very dangerous for the AL East.
For what it's worth, Francona has gone on record saying he has seen the same thing in Dice and fully expects him to have a stellar year next year after an initial adjustment year (ala Beckett). I have no idea how legit this is but Tito is usually not one to blow smoke..... if so It could be very dangerous for the AL East.
Capella
Footballguy
You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.
So far in the past two days, you've made excuses for Dice (adjustment), Drew (family problems), something about Lugo I can't remember...yeesh. 
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1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
I agree with you, Daisuske is going to be better next year, much better.I really didn't think he was going to be great out of the gate, this was the year I expected him to have. And it was obvious that he was wearing down due to the long season.Just like Beckett, I think he will make adjustments and be a much improved pitcher next year.
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Exactly. I don't think he'll end up on Beckett's level as Tito implied... but I could definitely see him being a 18W / 3.50 / 250K guy within the next year or two... which will make him one of the top 2-3 #2 guys in the bigs and better than many teams' #1.
Of course.. for what he's been paid I'd hope for output similar to that.
Of course.. for what he's been paid I'd hope for output similar to that.
Capella
Footballguy
My point is, sometimes players just don't play well or play up to expectations. You don't have to make a bunch of stupid excuses for them. It happens all the time.1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
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And my point is the excuses aren't stupid. I never made excuses for Lugo or Renteria.. both of which simply can't hack it in the Boston environment. Clement was the same way. Gagne too. Some guys aren't cut out for the crushing media that comes with playing in NY or BOS. I honestly think Dice (who only tailed off down the stretch) and Drew (who's numbers miraculously went up when his issues at home subsided) will improve their overall numbers next year.My point is, sometimes players just don't play well or play up to expectations. You don't have to make a bunch of stupid excuses for them. It happens all the time.1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.So far in the past two days, you've made excuses for Dice (adjustment), Drew (family problems), something about Lugo I can't remember...yeesh.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
NOt sure why you're taking such umbrage with my opinion anyway... I'm just a blind homer who doesn't know #### about the game
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Capella
Footballguy
Responding to a post = taking umbrage?Settle down with the complex, Alias.And my point is the excuses aren't stupid. I never made excuses for Lugo or Renteria.. both of which simply can't hack it in the Boston environment. Clement was the same way. Gagne too. Some guys aren't cut out for the crushing media that comes with playing in NY or BOS. I honestly think Dice (who only tailed off down the stretch) and Drew (who's numbers miraculously went up when his issues at home subsided) will improve their overall numbers next year.My point is, sometimes players just don't play well or play up to expectations. You don't have to make a bunch of stupid excuses for them. It happens all the time.1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.So far in the past two days, you've made excuses for Dice (adjustment), Drew (family problems), something about Lugo I can't remember...yeesh.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
NOt sure why you're taking such umbrage with my opinion anyway... I'm just a blind homer who doesn't know #### about the game
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Do you even know what taking umbrage means?Responding to a post = taking umbrage?Settle down with the complex, Alias.And my point is the excuses aren't stupid. I never made excuses for Lugo or Renteria.. both of which simply can't hack it in the Boston environment. Clement was the same way. Gagne too. Some guys aren't cut out for the crushing media that comes with playing in NY or BOS. I honestly think Dice (who only tailed off down the stretch) and Drew (who's numbers miraculously went up when his issues at home subsided) will improve their overall numbers next year.My point is, sometimes players just don't play well or play up to expectations. You don't have to make a bunch of stupid excuses for them. It happens all the time.1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
NOt sure why you're taking such umbrage with my opinion anyway... I'm just a blind homer who doesn't know #### about the game
the moops
Footballguy
I'd like to see the Sox trade Manny. Get a bullpen arm or something. Use that money and Lowell's money to sign ARod.
Play Ellsbury in LF, and either trade Crisp and sign a CF (Cameron, Hunter), or hope Crisp rebounds offensively.
Ellsbury
Pedroia
Ortiz
ARod
Drew
Youkilis
Cameron/Hunter/Crisp
Varitek
Lugo
Sign Schilling if he will take a discount. If not, they need to find a veteran to take the #3 spot. Wakefield should be in the pen/spot starter.
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Schilling?
Lester
Buckholz
Papelbon
Oki
Delcarmen
Timlin
Wakefield
Arm from Manny deal? Flyer on injured guy...
Play Ellsbury in LF, and either trade Crisp and sign a CF (Cameron, Hunter), or hope Crisp rebounds offensively.
Ellsbury
Pedroia
Ortiz
ARod
Drew
Youkilis
Cameron/Hunter/Crisp
Varitek
Lugo
Sign Schilling if he will take a discount. If not, they need to find a veteran to take the #3 spot. Wakefield should be in the pen/spot starter.
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Schilling?
Lester
Buckholz
Papelbon
Oki
Delcarmen
Timlin
Wakefield
Arm from Manny deal? Flyer on injured guy...
Capella
Footballguy
umm...yes. do you?[icon] said:Do you even know what taking umbrage means?Capella said:Responding to a post = taking umbrage?Settle down with the complex, Alias.[icon] said:And my point is the excuses aren't stupid. I never made excuses for Lugo or Renteria.. both of which simply can't hack it in the Boston environment. Clement was the same way. Gagne too. Some guys aren't cut out for the crushing media that comes with playing in NY or BOS. I honestly think Dice (who only tailed off down the stretch) and Drew (who's numbers miraculously went up when his issues at home subsided) will improve their overall numbers next year.Capella said:My point is, sometimes players just don't play well or play up to expectations. You don't have to make a bunch of stupid excuses for them. It happens all the time.[icon] said:1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
NOt sure why you're taking such umbrage with my opinion anyway... I'm just a blind homer who doesn't know #### about the game
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
You replace Manny and Lowell with Arod or Arod and Cameron. I dont think so.I dont think you do a thing but resign Lowell and another bullpen arm. Try and trade Crisp for a prospect (you are not going to get much for him)(take a flyer on a catcher prospect. Sox need to get someone in the pipeline).LineupEllsburyPedroiaOrtizMannyLowellDrewYoukilisVaritekLugoRotationBeckettDice KBuckholzLesterWakefield ??PapelbonOkiDelcarmenTimlin (maybe)Craig Hansen (is he even a prospect anymore)???????? Let Gagne go and find another arm for the bullpenI'd like to see the Sox trade Manny. Get a bullpen arm or something. Use that money and Lowell's money to sign ARod.Play Ellsbury in LF, and either trade Crisp and sign a CF (Cameron, Hunter), or hope Crisp rebounds offensively.EllsburyPedroiaOrtizARodDrewYoukilisCameron/Hunter/CrispVaritekLugoSign Schilling if he will take a discount. If not, they need to find a veteran to take the #3 spot. Wakefield should be in the pen/spot starter.BeckettMatsuzakaSchilling?LesterBuckholzPapelbonOkiDelcarmenTimlinWakefieldArm from Manny deal? Flyer on injured guy...
the moops
Footballguy
I dont know if you have been paying attention, but Alex Rodriguez is a pretty good ballplayer. I seriously dont get all the hate for this guy.
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That's one of the definitions... yes. 2. the slightest indication... of suspicion, doubt, hostility, or the like.umm...yes. do you?[icon] said:Do you even know what taking umbrage means?Capella said:Responding to a post = taking umbrage?Settle down with the complex, Alias.[icon] said:And my point is the excuses aren't stupid. I never made excuses for Lugo or Renteria.. both of which simply can't hack it in the Boston environment. Clement was the same way. Gagne too. Some guys aren't cut out for the crushing media that comes with playing in NY or BOS. I honestly think Dice (who only tailed off down the stretch) and Drew (who's numbers miraculously went up when his issues at home subsided) will improve their overall numbers next year.Capella said:My point is, sometimes players just don't play well or play up to expectations. You don't have to make a bunch of stupid excuses for them. It happens all the time.[icon] said:1) Adjustment : First off see the bold above... The first statement was explaining why beckett's numbers surged this year... the second are they francona's words not mine.. but I'm pretty sure I couldn't have thrown anymore disclaimers in there. Next... do you honestly not think there is any adjustment from moving continents and throwing with a different size ball to a different batch of players than you're used to all while throwing far more innings than you've been conditioned to do? Come on. Dice's numbers were very solid until he got worn down in the final month or so. I think he improves on his 2007 numbers next year and am MORE than willing to make a wager with you if you disagree. 2) Drew has a pregnant wife (troubled pregnancy) and a sun with significant medical issues that required a full body cast and significant attention. Granted he's got a wife (and staff I'm sure) to tend to the kid but that has to weigh on you a little as a father. Also.. not everyone makes the leap to a high pressure team like Sox very easily. He posted much better numbers in the second half and while I was obviouusly unhappy with his first few months I'll gladly take the improvement and hope that he can produce at that level next year.You sure do make a lot of excuses for these guys.
3) I sure as hell never made any excuses for lugos play (at least nothing seriously)... he's been subpar.... pressing hard.. and I don't think he's cut out for life in Boston. He looked better down the stretch but I just think there could be better options out there. (O Cab was awesome but we let him go).
4) Yeah.. I'm a homer. Who cares?
NOt sure why you're taking such umbrage with my opinion anyway... I'm just a blind homer who doesn't know #### about the game
I'm pretty sure you expressed a "slight indication of doubt" with regards to my take on drew's slow start or Dice K's rough finish. But I'm pretty sure you'll brush it off in a typically sarcastic, smug way, NTTAWTT.
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So when a word has 6 itemized definitions under it in the dictionary, only the first one counts? No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer.
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the moops
Footballguy
OK you two. Hug and call it even.So when a word has 6 itemized definitions under it in the dictionary, only the first one counts? No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer.
Capella
Footballguy
You asked me if I knew what it meant, chach. Then when I told you, you said it was "one of the definitions."So when a word has 6 itemized definitions under it in the dictionary, only the first one counts? No wonder you couldn't hack it as a lawyer.
at couldn't hack it as a lawyer. You don't want to compare salaries homeboy.
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