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***The Official Wikkidpissah Irish Wake Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Well said. It's something I subconsciously knew and loved about him but that exact conclusion/insight had never quite struck me directly. Something to strive for.
Zow
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Try drafting Russell Baze then see if you still say the bold.
Yeah, I was thinking of objecting to this a little but thought better of it. My view of Dale is that he made you prove yourself, but then once you were "in," he respected your differing opinions and even used them to modify his own. But I don't think we can totally reconcile the "I was scared to see he had replied to my post" stuff with Judge's post without acknowledging that you had to pay your dues, and even then you might get a lot of mostly-good-natured ribbing thereafter. It's part of what took me so long to appreciate Dale. I thought he hated me for years!
Gonna share a little personal project I've been working on for my post today. As we've discussed in here, a few of us are working on saving every wikkid post we can and then will sort and organize them in some way. It's neck-cricking, finger-paralyzing work, but so rewarding in its own way. But when we started this project, I noticed that wikkid only ever "won" three days here on for his content. For those who aren't nerds, "winning" means that, for that day, your various posts received the most total "reactions." How could one of absolutely most beloved posters have so few "wins"?
I set about to change this. Five days ago, while immersed in the copy/paste project, I decided to "react" to each copied wikkid post in one way or another to ensure he won the day (and I had a friend who helped me for at least one of those days, too). And it's worked! He's up to seven wins now, even beating out some dumdum named "krista4" a few days ago who is probably stewing about her relegation to #2 for the day.
I knew this mostly solo project was dumb, and wikkid wouldn't have given AF, but I was doing it anyway. Then today, I came across this post from wikkid in a 2016 thread entitled, "How many days have you won," where he acknowledged only winning one at that point.
I'm going to continue this practice until my vacation end of next week. If anyone wants to help me out before or after then, feel free. At least I know by then he should have 16 days won, still a fraction of what he should have, but better.
@prosopis, this is the "wake" I referred to in the RIP thread (there hasn't been an IRL service). Read through and join in, as I think you'll enjoy it.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I have 19, so by all means, get him to 20.I'm going to continue this practice until my vacation end of next week. If anyone wants to help me out before or after then, feel free. At least I know by then he should have 16 days won, still a fraction of what he should have, but better.
simey
Footballguy
I have 2 days won, and I don't know what they were from. If those days disappear, I'll know who made it happen.I'm going to continue this practice until my vacation end of next week. If anyone wants to help me out before or after then, feel free. At least I know by then he should have 16 days won, still a fraction of what he should have, but better.
j/k
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Because- the Grammar Police?Mister CIA said:
krista4
Footballguy
simey said:I have 2 days won, and I don't know what they were from. If those days disappear, I'll know who made it happen.
They don't work retroactively, so you are safe. In other words, he doesn't win for the date he made the posts, but for the date the "likes" are given. He has won July 8-13 now. Although you did come in second on July 10 and I came in second July 9, so I screwed each of us out of a win. Huge thanks to an another poster who is helping out. Without him, wikkid wouldn't have won yesterday.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I also have won 2 days. Second one was the last Boxing Day before the pandemic. I really have no clue what is was I said around then, but I guess I should be happy I said it.simey said:I have 2 days won, and I don't know what they were from. If those days disappear, I'll know who made it happen.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
The bolded is pretty much what we discussed when I lost my wife. It was SO poignant when he pointed it out ...and also such a strange sort of deja vu feeling when I realized it was absolutely true. Now I have to go play all her favorite songs. :(
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krista4
Footballguy
A couple of days ago I finished up saving all of the 2016 wikkid posts. He had taken about a year-long break so was only posting from August onward. Rather than focusing on a serious one or a story, here are some fun quick hits.
My absolute favorite:
Moar:
And a smattering of his sage words to @Nathan R. Jessep, during the hug king chronicles:
My absolute favorite:
Moar:
And a smattering of his sage words to @Nathan R. Jessep, during the hug king chronicles:
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
"nerfdildoed it"
can't stop laughing
can't stop laughing
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Maggot Brain
Footballguy
I thank you guys so much for doing the thing with all his posts. I plan on making an attempt to read all of them, life permitting. This is my first song post in this thread(the wife's favorite although I sang it terribly), I'm in a sappy mood and in my emotions. Thanks all
https://youtu.be/Ldm9agMQ148
https://youtu.be/Ldm9agMQ148
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I was very lucky -- as was my computer -- to not have a beverage in my mouth when I read this.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Ron Greschner? He was with Carol Alt in the '80s and '90s, so it's certainly believable he'd hang around with Tiegs.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Part of me doesn't feel worthy of posting here, as it's clear that he touched your lives more deeply than mine, but it's getting late where I am and I'm lubricated enough to overcome that anxiety...
In the end, he was the big brother I didn't get to have. My actual big brother is the middle child and spent most of his time pushing both my and my older sister's buttons. Those two had some intense fights over the years and neither seemed that interested in their relationship with me; plus, by the time I was 11, both had moved out of the house and I basically became an only child after that. Even now, the only reason I know anything about either of them is because I've kept regular contact with my parents. Wikkid came to fill the void they created in my life, I suppose. And TBH, he was probably the first Baby Boomer I came in contact with that wasn't completely self-involved and was interested in connecting with the generation(s) that came after him. I wasn't afraid to 'challenge' him when I found a nit to pick in one of his comments, and I give him credit for having the patience to tolerate and not squash an outgunned opponent. Just like a good big brother would do.
In the end, he was the big brother I didn't get to have. My actual big brother is the middle child and spent most of his time pushing both my and my older sister's buttons. Those two had some intense fights over the years and neither seemed that interested in their relationship with me; plus, by the time I was 11, both had moved out of the house and I basically became an only child after that. Even now, the only reason I know anything about either of them is because I've kept regular contact with my parents. Wikkid came to fill the void they created in my life, I suppose. And TBH, he was probably the first Baby Boomer I came in contact with that wasn't completely self-involved and was interested in connecting with the generation(s) that came after him. I wasn't afraid to 'challenge' him when I found a nit to pick in one of his comments, and I give him credit for having the patience to tolerate and not squash an outgunned opponent. Just like a good big brother would do.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I would occasionally call him out if he posted something too stereotypically (in a bad way) Boomer-ish, and he could have easily ripped me apart rhetorically, especially because I've only been a regular in the FFA for a few years and didn't have years of history with him like a lot of people here did, but he never did.
He was also good-humored about the creative ways I found to needle him about Carole King's negative effect on his libido.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
For me, it was usually just nit-picky stuff that wasn't really related to the main point he was making, and whatever reasonable, rational point I made wasn't strong enough to sway him, so he just let it roll off his back.
That's a quality I want to propagate with my own posting and IRL interactions. The current climate of discourse could use more of that, I think.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
### #### that is ####### awesome.
O ####, I just discovered I had PMs with wikkid going back to 2016. I initiated a conversation, "How to Write?" ... totally lame, I know.
a snippet from our bard: "..., or perhaps sublime (i do not read at all except for research, btw, but do highly recommend deadwhiteguy Edmund Burke's "On the Sublime and the Beautiful")"
Reading list updated.
krista4
Footballguy
You've said a few times that you didn't feel like it was your place to start this thread or whatever, but as it turns out the fact that you did is part of what made Dale so special. He made so many of us feel elevated even if we questioned ourselves.
Having read hundreds (thousands?) of his posts recently, I have seen so many instances where he was challenging someone, and frankly sometimes not all that politely, but then after a bunch of back and forth he "gives" and welcomes them into that beautiful space of his appreciating them. I do think he would challenge you to make sure you were "worthy" of his time, but those who were sincere in what they posted inevitably made it into that realm.
Like you, I've been trying to propagate some of Dale's kindness recently. Despite everything, he still seemed to think the best of people until proven wrong. I'm trying to keep that in mind, too.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Soak this in:
You may not find this helpful, old friend, but i don't really write. I just think. Here's a li'l sneak peak, from one of the articles intended for my blog, on my relationship with the written word:
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Hemingway said that writing’s founding motive is need – the abject compulsion to express oneself by committed word. For the first half-century of my life, I felt a talent for words, was urged on by others who recognized that potential, but avoided writing as much as I could. Zeal for hewned word, turned phrase and warped metaphor but no zest for posterity had I. When circumstance put me in a position of early retirement and I found my yen for reflection finally greater than my taste for verve, I attempted several projects designed to engage and amuse the general public and proceeded to amass a depth and breadth of incomplete files unrivaled in scribbledom.
But the fire still wasn’t there. Neither my talent nor drive was for writing, merely thinking. The impressions I’d blurt in public because everything else was boring, catching the attention and imagination of others for short spurts, were no more than the sparks of my turning wheel. There was no consistent flame, raging conflagration nor even sustaining glow. The serpentine sputtering of a fugitive wire - briefly disconnected, quickly handled and forgotten, as long as no harm was done. That’s that, then – no art for me.
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It's obvious that there's some innate talent there and i do so enjoy crafting lines that evoke confusions of passion matching those that the heart creates each day. A while ago, one FFA reader gave me the best compliment my words have ever received, "I feel better for having read what he says, even if i have no idea what it means". I've spent the last couple of years trying to be more understandable and the blog will tell if i've succeeded, but i stil most purely love to work myself up a word bomb for to creampie the world with my essence.
And that's it for me - I think and i think and i think and i think and i think. I take in data, make connections (the bridges - metaphors - one builds between disparate notions is the home of good writing), form conclusions, argue with and edit myself til i'm sure it holds up and say "that is good". You'll notice i make no mention of remembering - maybe it's because i can count on a decent memory, but i make little effort to corral or record my thoughts. I trust that if they're worthy they'll stick somehow and move on. When there are fireflies, i watch. I don't build jars. Not trapping my thoughts as ideas keeps a burgoo of mental energy swirling around my head that is, more or less, my energy source. Works great, if you can stand the noise.
And that goes to the most important part of creativity - finding the quiet inside yourself that allows you to make sense of life's noise. Perspective. One simply cannot decipher noise - one's own or others' - while be noisy oneself. Patience is the only truly great thing a parent can teach a child and, since most don't, the greatest thing a person can teach himself. My head works too fast for me to empty it, like in meditation, but i have learned to separate myself from it and feel the beauty of a moment without myself in it. You're naked but it's warm and you just feel thankful that beauty is available to you and you may have the capacity to create beauty for others to behold.
And that's the key, the best technical advice i can give. You see, there is for each of us a beauty only we can serve. Find it, live it, be it, do it. If your PrisonWorld is the most beautiful, or perhaps sublime (i do not read at all except for research, btw, but do highly recommend deadwhiteguy Edmund Burke's "On the Sublime and the Beautiful") thing in your head, serve it. Care not about how it will taste to others, but make it as delicious as you can stand. You can alter the ingredients for public consumption later. Chef up the most sumptuous PrisonWorld bull dyke you can and put it on a plate. The world deserves your best first. Good luck. More later -
You may not find this helpful, old friend, but i don't really write. I just think. Here's a li'l sneak peak, from one of the articles intended for my blog, on my relationship with the written word:
Quote
Hemingway said that writing’s founding motive is need – the abject compulsion to express oneself by committed word. For the first half-century of my life, I felt a talent for words, was urged on by others who recognized that potential, but avoided writing as much as I could. Zeal for hewned word, turned phrase and warped metaphor but no zest for posterity had I. When circumstance put me in a position of early retirement and I found my yen for reflection finally greater than my taste for verve, I attempted several projects designed to engage and amuse the general public and proceeded to amass a depth and breadth of incomplete files unrivaled in scribbledom.
But the fire still wasn’t there. Neither my talent nor drive was for writing, merely thinking. The impressions I’d blurt in public because everything else was boring, catching the attention and imagination of others for short spurts, were no more than the sparks of my turning wheel. There was no consistent flame, raging conflagration nor even sustaining glow. The serpentine sputtering of a fugitive wire - briefly disconnected, quickly handled and forgotten, as long as no harm was done. That’s that, then – no art for me.
Expand
It's obvious that there's some innate talent there and i do so enjoy crafting lines that evoke confusions of passion matching those that the heart creates each day. A while ago, one FFA reader gave me the best compliment my words have ever received, "I feel better for having read what he says, even if i have no idea what it means". I've spent the last couple of years trying to be more understandable and the blog will tell if i've succeeded, but i stil most purely love to work myself up a word bomb for to creampie the world with my essence.
And that's it for me - I think and i think and i think and i think and i think. I take in data, make connections (the bridges - metaphors - one builds between disparate notions is the home of good writing), form conclusions, argue with and edit myself til i'm sure it holds up and say "that is good". You'll notice i make no mention of remembering - maybe it's because i can count on a decent memory, but i make little effort to corral or record my thoughts. I trust that if they're worthy they'll stick somehow and move on. When there are fireflies, i watch. I don't build jars. Not trapping my thoughts as ideas keeps a burgoo of mental energy swirling around my head that is, more or less, my energy source. Works great, if you can stand the noise.
And that goes to the most important part of creativity - finding the quiet inside yourself that allows you to make sense of life's noise. Perspective. One simply cannot decipher noise - one's own or others' - while be noisy oneself. Patience is the only truly great thing a parent can teach a child and, since most don't, the greatest thing a person can teach himself. My head works too fast for me to empty it, like in meditation, but i have learned to separate myself from it and feel the beauty of a moment without myself in it. You're naked but it's warm and you just feel thankful that beauty is available to you and you may have the capacity to create beauty for others to behold.
And that's the key, the best technical advice i can give. You see, there is for each of us a beauty only we can serve. Find it, live it, be it, do it. If your PrisonWorld is the most beautiful, or perhaps sublime (i do not read at all except for research, btw, but do highly recommend deadwhiteguy Edmund Burke's "On the Sublime and the Beautiful") thing in your head, serve it. Care not about how it will taste to others, but make it as delicious as you can stand. You can alter the ingredients for public consumption later. Chef up the most sumptuous PrisonWorld bull dyke you can and put it on a plate. The world deserves your best first. Good luck. More later -
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
@jamny's quote above where wikkid mentions "inside weather" reminded me of a song I picked in the 10s albums draft. I drafted Donald Fagan's Sunken Condos album and picked the song...
Weather in my Head
wikkid approved..
Weather in my Head
wikkid approved..
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
As a self-proclaimed Steely Dan/Donald Fagan aficionado, I am chagrined to be hearing this for the first time.
Thanks for posting it.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Also, I have a story for Babylon Sisters percolating, may get around to putting it up in the FFA. Has to do with not hearing destiny correctly.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Funny you bring this up. This is one of the things that has really haunted me and I am not sure why. For some reason I think of these things often.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
"be humble, be real, be in the moment and know you are a force for good in the world. it'll be fine"
This was something he sent to me after I sent a very long pm. I loved how he answered with one line after I wrote a novella about how things were going. I will say that novella was regarding situations I was dealing with in a better way than I had in the past secondary to his help. I saw this line as confirmation that I was on the right path.
This was something he sent to me after I sent a very long pm. I loved how he answered with one line after I wrote a novella about how things were going. I will say that novella was regarding situations I was dealing with in a better way than I had in the past secondary to his help. I saw this line as confirmation that I was on the right path.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Capella
Footballguy
For me it’s just very unfair he didn’t get to see how it ends, which sounds kind of dumb when you consider you know, he died and all, but still. It’s something he clearly loved.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I 100% agree with this. It seems really silly to think about but I can't stop. I am always fascinated with those stories of people in the last days who contact authors, directors, producers etc... to hear or see how something ends before they pass.
I actually spend to much time hoping I will live long enough to see a good Dark Tower adaptation. Part of me thinks that thought will come to me on my deathbed if I am coherent.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Was just reading through this thread and came upon BL’s post here. I have a choice about an upcoming funeral on Tuesday — for someone I’ve never met, but is the SIL of a close friend. Now after reading this, I’m showing up for the funeral. Thanks BL, krista and others for sharing the importance of this simple act.
jamny
Footballguy
I always think of this when someone dies not long before their favorite team wins a championship. Really bums me out
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
I officiated a wedding this weekend. First time and was truly surprised to be asked despite being good friends with both. I spent the better part of the next two months working on the ceremony trying to figure out what to say and how to say it. Thought of our friend wikkid many times.
Middle of the ceremony was an opportunity to provide “advice” to the couple. Two were my own that I thought would be meaningful to the couple. The third, which I left for last and stated was THE most important ... “the give is the get ... in friendship .... in love ... in marriage ... in life ... if you follow this one piece of advice, the world has a way of rewarding you beyond anything you can imagine ... the give is the get”.
I had quite a few people ask me about it after and I told them about Dale and how this one random person on a football message board made an impact on me and the way I hope to live my life.
Thanks Dale - I would have loved your assistance in crafting the words for the ceremony but hope you would approve.
Middle of the ceremony was an opportunity to provide “advice” to the couple. Two were my own that I thought would be meaningful to the couple. The third, which I left for last and stated was THE most important ... “the give is the get ... in friendship .... in love ... in marriage ... in life ... if you follow this one piece of advice, the world has a way of rewarding you beyond anything you can imagine ... the give is the get”.
I had quite a few people ask me about it after and I told them about Dale and how this one random person on a football message board made an impact on me and the way I hope to live my life.
Thanks Dale - I would have loved your assistance in crafting the words for the ceremony but hope you would approve.
krista4
Footballguy
Came across this one today and it hit me hard. I've deleted the name of the poster he was responding to, since it could be any of us.
xxx said: We are here for each other. I'm struggling at the moment, but its encouraging to see other people post.
wikkid: G'ahead, struggle. We all need to struggle, it is basically the living motive. Just don't suffer. No need to suffer whatsoever. If you do, let us help.
xxx said: We are here for each other. I'm struggling at the moment, but its encouraging to see other people post.
wikkid: G'ahead, struggle. We all need to struggle, it is basically the living motive. Just don't suffer. No need to suffer whatsoever. If you do, let us help.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I really wanted to know who Deep Throat was before I died. Now that I know, I need a new goal.
And, yes, I think about this stuff, too.
bostonfred
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Taking him up on this offer was one of my better decisions. Thanks for bringing this up, I enjoyed reading it and it reminded me of some of the things we talked about.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I've stayed away from this thread for a while because apparently my way of dealing with loss (and feelings in general) is to ignore them and hope they go away. I guess I'm in the denial stage? Not sure as I've not lost very many people close to me that weren't already in their 90's.
Today I got into re-reading a bunch of our most recent all-time NBA draft thread and there were so many great wikkid moments, I can't even begin to copy them. It is also the thread where I pissed him off because I was being a D-bag, he put me on ignore and I apologized to him via PM.
I was going to bump the thread as a tribute to him, but the last post in it is simply wikkid saying he was "in" for another tangent draft back in January. I didn't want to tarnish that ending, so I left the thread as is.
Good grief I miss that guy so much right now. I have a long PM discussion with him in my inbox where we went back and forth over a year as he tried to get me unstuck from my life struggles.
Absolute gem of a human and I still can't believe he's gone.
Today I got into re-reading a bunch of our most recent all-time NBA draft thread and there were so many great wikkid moments, I can't even begin to copy them. It is also the thread where I pissed him off because I was being a D-bag, he put me on ignore and I apologized to him via PM.
I was going to bump the thread as a tribute to him, but the last post in it is simply wikkid saying he was "in" for another tangent draft back in January. I didn't want to tarnish that ending, so I left the thread as is.
Good grief I miss that guy so much right now. I have a long PM discussion with him in my inbox where we went back and forth over a year as he tried to get me unstuck from my life struggles.
Absolute gem of a human and I still can't believe he's gone.
