Mister Martie
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Buying the house the majority voted against in the previous thread?
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The Renovate Otis's New House Thread (2 Viewers)
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Mister Martie
Footballguy
Ok.
Otis
Footballguy
OC Zed
Footballguy
You may care only about the high level stuff now, but a few years down the road after you are settled into that new house you'll be ticked about all sorts of stuff in the house that irks you which you had an opportunity to provide input on and didn't it. That's why you want to pay attention to the details now.
The other thing I'll say is that I live in an area where tear downs/total rebuilds have been common for the last 10 years or so. When these homes come back on the market, it's readily apparent which ones had some thought put into the design and which didn't and those are valued accordingly.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Serious answer: if you can find the perfect lot, a reputable builder, and you and your wife agree on everything, you can get a house built fairly quickly and easily. I firmly believe the way to do that is to buy or rent in the area you want to live in and take as much time as you need to decide on all those things together with a builder. Design what you want and then wait for the piece of land, buy it and build it.
That said, obviously that's easier in areas of the country where you can buy a lot and sit on it while you pay your mortgage/rent, even if there's a house already on the lot you buy.
If you can find a way to have a nice, comfortable place to live and take your time, building a house can be a wonderful experience. If you've already sold your house and are looking at an uncertain amount of time to live somewhere else while you figure it out, it's a nightmare.
That said, obviously that's easier in areas of the country where you can buy a lot and sit on it while you pay your mortgage/rent, even if there's a house already on the lot you buy.
If you can find a way to have a nice, comfortable place to live and take your time, building a house can be a wonderful experience. If you've already sold your house and are looking at an uncertain amount of time to live somewhere else while you figure it out, it's a nightmare.
gianmarco
Footballguy
glumpy
breeze
Of course, given the chance--it's your house not his. At least have a voice in the amenities.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Oats getting worked over in here.
Ever see a house being built, O?
Just some 2x4s nailed together, a couple days later they got plywood over it. After that you slap on the drywall on the inside and then it's just you and the missus picking out the colors and the materials for finish work.
12 months is a way overestimate of what it should take.
Do it and report back, you should have it move-in ready by the start of football season at the latest.
Otis
Footballguy
Oh, I know when I'm being worked. And you, sir, are working me hard. Follow your lead and come football season I'll be sniffing the rancid parmesan cheese through the wall from my neighbor's apartment as I'm huddled in the corner with the family under some blankets because the landlord can't get the heat working.
Oats getting worked over in here.
Ever see a house being built, O?
Just some 2x4s nailed together, a couple days later they got plywood over it. After that you slap on the drywall on the inside and then it's just you and the missus picking out the colors and the materials for finish work.
12 months is a way overestimate of what it should take.
Do it and report back, you should have it move-in ready by the start of football season at the latest.
UGLYHOUSE FOR THE VICTORY
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
El Floppo
Footballguy
How about an architect? We get paid to... you know... design stuff. Builders- they get paid to... build stuff. But therein lies the problem with my profession (and a lot of houses).
gianmarco
Footballguy
Our builder works with an architect. We gave him our general thoughts on what we liked and didn't want and he met with the architect himself to get her to do her thing.
Just because we discussed design with him doesn't mean an architect wasn't used.
Guster
Footballguy
I was picturing a 20' high basement.2 story basement sounds awesome.
"It's cooler in the basement, let's hang here."
"Better yet, let's go to the SUB basement."
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
When we had our home built I found a design we really liked from the builder. It was a 2400 SQ ft brick ranch style. There were a few things we wanted to change that were not in the original floor plan. We opened it up from the kitchen to the family room and separated that by a bar with seating. Had them remove another wall to make the whole upper level open. The walkout basement was huge so I had them put another 26x16 bedroom and bath room in the basement that I turned the bedroom into a home gym. So if and when I ever sell it will be 4 bedrooms 3 1/2 baths. Instead of the 3 and 2 1/2 the original design was. Having used the builders design and just tweaking a few things saved up quite a bit of cash. In fact after he built our home he changed the future floor plans for the ranches to the one he used for ours.
So if you can find a design you really like it is not that difficult to make some changes to fit your needs during construction.
So if you can find a design you really like it is not that difficult to make some changes to fit your needs during construction.
lod01
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Hell yeah. Didn't even think about that. Instant savings.
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WF is a PIA?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Parrothead
Footballguy
McGarnicle
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Patriotsfatboy1
Footballguy
We had our first house built almost 20 years ago. I worked at an architecture firm and got advise and adjustments to the plans from the builder by people at work. Also, received some advise on how to keep the builder in check during the process. Took 5 months from start to finish and that was during winter in New England.
I also put an addition on about 10 years later because we liked the neighborhood, needed more space and did not want to move. Had a builder do that too.
It can be a PITA if you don't keep on it, but you can also end up with more of what you want.
I also put an addition on about 10 years later because we liked the neighborhood, needed more space and did not want to move. Had a builder do that too.
It can be a PITA if you don't keep on it, but you can also end up with more of what you want.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Just had ours built and we moved in last November. From when they broke ground til when the finished took about 3 months. Really wasn't a bad process at all. We would stop in every now and then to check on progress and make sure everything was where we wanted it to be. Was pretty simple picking out everything for the house too.
Spin
Footballguy
Just got permits issued and will be breaking ground sometime this week or next. Estimated 100 days after we break ground to move in. We bought the lot in March, but had no house on it so no demo was required. My Father in Law is a GC who has built many homes from ground up, so got extremely lucky here. We decided we were going to build new about two years ago. Design was easy as we knew what we wanted, finding the right lot took forever and is actually a bit further from the city then I'd like, but everything else about it is perfect.
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Great news. About to put in an offer on UglyHouse and find out we're in a bidding war. Another offer in already.
Now need to offer more than we think it's worth, but we're desperate enough that we may just do it. That or cut bait and start seriously investigating this build thing. I'm talking with our financing guy in 15 minutes about a construction loan, just to kick the tires on it.
Now need to offer more than we think it's worth, but we're desperate enough that we may just do it. That or cut bait and start seriously investigating this build thing. I'm talking with our financing guy in 15 minutes about a construction loan, just to kick the tires on it.
The Commish
Footballguy
Given the data presented here in the FFA, Otis should take the estimated cost and add about 40% to it.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Not for the work I do- super high-end residential. Even when I was doing lower/mid range projects, people who want a new/reno house or apartment hire architects and then bid contractors. Of course, that's from the perspective of an architect- I'm obviously out of the loop with people who don't want the architect and go straight to the builder (although I've had a couple of projects that came from contractors who secured the project from the client directly... but it's still a separate contract).
And yeah- there are design-build companies that combine both. And yeah, I know there are builders that have architects on staff. I'm obviously biased, but I think it's beneficial for the client to get the checks and balances when contractor and designer are separate entities.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Good luck, O.
From an obviously slanted pov, you'll get exactly what you want with designing your own and will have to learn to abide with things you don't want when buying an existing house (unless you renovate). But it's definitely more money and will be 2 years give or take of headache and hassle with regular massive checks going out without any recognizable play-thing readily available. But then you come out the other side and have exactly what you want. Forever.
I wonder if anybody who's gone through that route regrets it?
Otis
Footballguy
I'd be interested in hearing this too. That's the debate.
I'm also wondering if we are better off buying the new-inside house now and then down the road, when we don't have newborns floating around, reconsidering doing a knockdown-and-build. It's just a rough/hectic time in the O-house lately, probably not the ideal time for added stress/tasks.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
El Floppo
Footballguy
Yeah... these early years with the kids is rough. Hard to concentrate on much more than that. But it gets better... right? RIGHT?!
I wonder though- like having kids- if there's ever a truly "good" time to do it? You don't want to wait until the kids are gone, and there will always be stresses and reasons not to.
eta: oh... the regret question was rhetorical... but maybe there are people who regret it.
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Parrothead
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El Floppo
Footballguy
whoa whoa whoa... let's not get crazy here- first thing's first. Then we need to know if it's reverse or not.brass or brushed nickel?
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