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The Scotch Whisky Thread (1 Viewer)

@Joe Bryant - do you like Peat and Smoke in your Scotches?  As others have said, you need to find the regions you like and branch out from there.  I will second the Glenlivet and Glenmorangie pics.  A true value and one that is a good entry Scotch is Monkey Shoulder.  Cool bottle and pretty popular with whiskey nerds.  You can find it as cheap as $30.

I’m much more a Bourbon and Rye drinker but even I have to admit there’s a lot of complexity and variety in Scotch whereas you don’t get that with the other two until you start getting in to finished whiskey.

I think @Ron Swanson can provide some insight here.  Duh.

 
This is the nectar of the gods for me - fantastic stuff.
I had a pour of the at a Brazilian steak place.  Really enjoyed it - totally dig the smokiness.  My plan is to add either the 8 or 16 to my collection this year.  My buddy just got the 12 CS and I think he’s bringing it over tonight to sample.

 
Not to hijack Joe's question but I need a recommendation for a Japanese Whiskey and think the Scotch thread is a better fit than the Bourbon one.  I'm looking for something that would be a good example of a Japanese whiskey and willing to spend around $50.  I know there's a lot of weirdness going on in the Japanese whiskey market so that's why I'm hoping somebody has some decent recommendations.

 
Not to hijack Joe's question but I need a recommendation for a Japanese Whiskey and think the Scotch thread is a better fit than the Bourbon one.  I'm looking for something that would be a good example of a Japanese whiskey and willing to spend around $50.  I know there's a lot of weirdness going on in the Japanese whiskey market so that's why I'm hoping somebody has some decent recommendations.
$50 is tough for Japanese whiskey in the U.S.

You should be able to find Hibiki harmony, which is a nice blend that's pretty characteristic of typical Japanese stuff, for like $65. Beyond that I'm less helpful because we tend to stick the the much nicer stuff when we can find it from Nikka, Yamazaki, etc, which is all out of the budget there, although... Suntory Toki is also a classic - it's the modern day version of their original White Label that put Japanese whiskey on the map - I've seen it anywhere from like $25-$40.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Reviving this one.  (also FWIW, search function worked perfectly this time. Good.)

Can you folks help me with an affordable Scotch for a novice?

I see a lot in the 13 pages but wanted to ask and anyone's come to any new conclusions. 

I am a total novice with Scotch. 

I tried a Balvenie Doublewood 12 on the rocks and thought it was excellent. It was $75 for the 750ml at my local place today which is a little more than I normally go for. 

Is there a great value in Scotch you'd recommend more in the $40 for 750ml range?

Any thoughts on accessibility for a novice in finding something I like (I know that's impossibly personal but I was not expecting to like the Balvenie as much as I did.)

Thanks. 
Dimple Pinch

It's a blended scotch, but I find it excellent neat or over a large ice cube.

Used to be around $40, but may be a bit more now.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Reviving this one.  (also FWIW, search function worked perfectly this time. Good.)

Can you folks help me with an affordable Scotch for a novice?

I see a lot in the 13 pages but wanted to ask and anyone's come to any new conclusions. 

I am a total novice with Scotch. 

I tried a Balvenie Doublewood 12 on the rocks and thought it was excellent. It was $75 for the 750ml at my local place today which is a little more than I normally go for. 

Is there a great value in Scotch you'd recommend more in the $40 for 750ml range?

Any thoughts on accessibility for a novice in finding something I like (I know that's impossibly personal but I was not expecting to like the Balvenie as much as I did.)

Thanks. 
Others have had some great suggestions. I’ll recommend Glenlivet 18. It’s a bit more pricey than you want, but to me, the difference between the 12 and 18 is pretty big. It’s very smooth and easy to drink neat. I think you’ll find the 18 year scotches really are worth the price.

 
Side note. I know neat is the preferred way for many to drink but I bought this recently for my Old Fashioneds and it's fantastic. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07422QWCP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It takes up a good bit of space and just makes 4 cubes at a time but they're perfectly clear with just regular non boiled filtered water. 
I use this one from OnTheRocks: https://www.amazon.com/OnTheRocks-Crystal-Clear-Maker-Clear-Spheres/dp/B075Q694WC/ref=sr_1_17?dchild=1&keywords=clear+ice&qid=1621628855&s=home-garden&sr=1-17

Have similarly been very pleased. I love it with cocktails just because they look pretty and you often want them chilled. I am much more likely to put a few drops of water to bloom a whiskey, or a single small cube, than I am to use a big cube or go simply neat.

 
I have two of these: https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m18033258038/?gclsrc=aw.ds&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12877497079&utm_content=t0&adgroup=120335190446&network=g&device=c&merchant_id=130653696&product_id=m18033258038&product_id=297068456345&gclid=CjwKCAjwtJ2FBhAuEiwAIKu19h4et87BgDRDfwfZSdWNw5VS556YnwTF6Yn453-qUDUrUOhguOJLLBoCKkkQAvD_BwE

My kids love to go into the freezer, find the "big cold" and then leave a giant sphere of ice to melt under the couch, in a bed or on top of the cable box to "free the water." Who ever came up with them can take a long walk of a short, ice covered pier.

 
$50 is tough for Japanese whiskey in the U.S.

You should be able to find Hibiki harmony, which is a nice blend that's pretty characteristic of typical Japanese stuff, for like $65. Beyond that I'm less helpful because we tend to stick the the much nicer stuff when we can find it from Nikka, Yamazaki, etc, which is all out of the budget there, although... Suntory Toki is also a classic - it's the modern day version of their original White Label that put Japanese whiskey on the map - I've seen it anywhere from like $25-$40.


Been a while since I saw Harmony that cheap, but I agree. It is my go-to.

 
Been a while since I saw Harmony that cheap, but I agree. It is my go-to.
Costco is your friend. It's been that consistently in Chicago area at mine for 2 years. I feel like it was less when I lived in the Bay. 

I want to recommend this other Japanese one I brought back from Okinawa, but I have no idea what it is because the bottle is in Japanese lol. But it drinks like a scotch. Very smoky.

 
Costco is your friend. It's been that consistently in Chicago area at mine for 2 years. I feel like it was less when I lived in the Bay. 

I want to recommend this other Japanese one I brought back from Okinawa, but I have no idea what it is because the bottle is in Japanese lol. But it drinks like a scotch. Very smoky.
Costco can't sell liquor in NC because we have bad laws, but I'll check out the next time I go to Charleston.

 
$50 is tough for Japanese whiskey in the U.S.

You should be able to find Hibiki harmony, which is a nice blend that's pretty characteristic of typical Japanese stuff, for like $65. Beyond that I'm less helpful because we tend to stick the the much nicer stuff when we can find it from Nikka, Yamazaki, etc, which is all out of the budget there, although... Suntory Toki is also a classic - it's the modern day version of their original White Label that put Japanese whiskey on the map - I've seen it anywhere from like $25-$40.
Toki was my plan before I posted and your post solidified it.  We cracked it open last night.  It was solid - reminded me of Glenmorangie 10.  Thanks!

 
Side note. I know neat is the preferred way for many to drink but I bought this recently for my Old Fashioneds and it's fantastic. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07422QWCP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It takes up a good bit of space and just makes 4 cubes at a time but they're perfectly clear with just regular non boiled filtered water. 
The whole concept of neat is always odd to me.  Adding water or putting it on the rocks to chill and getting some dilution there doesn’t fundamentally change the whiskey - it either proofs it down or chills it.  Adding water is how they get it to the proof they want to bottle it at.  Now the argument on whether adding water helps it open up and get more flavorful I think is dependent on the individual- I like and can handle and prefer higher proof.  I get much more flavor and experience with higher proof whiskey.  For that reason I almost never add water.  But I totally get why someone would and why they would like it better.  

 
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@Joe Bryant - do you like Peat and Smoke in your Scotches?  As others have said, you need to find the regions you like and branch out from there.  I will second the Glenlivet and Glenmorangie pics.  A true value and one that is a good entry Scotch is Monkey Shoulder.  Cool bottle and pretty popular with whiskey nerds.  You can find it as cheap as $30.

I’m much more a Bourbon and Rye drinker but even I have to admit there’s a lot of complexity and variety in Scotch whereas you don’t get that with the other two until you start getting in to finished whiskey.

I think @Ron Swanson can provide some insight here.  Duh.
I tried Monkey Shoulder for the first time this weekend. I bought it to make cocktails with a few weeks ago and hadn't got around to trying it. I probably won't drink it neat, but it is pretty good to the price. 

@Joe Bryant I am guessing that if you like Balvenie you would probably like this from a style perspective. I get a bit less richness than Balvenie 12, maybe a bit more spicy notes.  

 
The whole concept of neat is always odd to me.  Adding water or putting it on the rocks to chill and getting some dilution there doesn’t fundamentally change the whiskey - it either proofs it down or chills it.  Adding water is how they get it to the proof they want to bottle it at.  Now the argument on whether adding water helps it open up and get more flavorful I think is dependent on the individual- I like and can handle and prefer higher proof.  I get much more flavor and experience with higher proof whiskey.  For that reason I almost never add water.  But I totally get why someone would and why they would like it better.  
I almost always drink my whiskey neat. Above 120 proof I might add a bit of water. I pretty much never chill. Chilling takes away the flavors I like. 

All that said, personal preference is king. Drink it how you like it. Although if you pour a $100+ single malt with some coke, it does hurt my soul.

 
I almost always drink my whiskey neat. Above 120 proof I might add a bit of water. I pretty much never chill. Chilling takes away the flavors I like. 

All that said, personal preference is king. Drink it how you like it. Although if you pour a $100+ single malt with some coke, it does hurt my soul.
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The whole concept of neat is always odd to me.  Adding water or putting it on the rocks to chill and getting some dilution there doesn’t fundamentally change the whiskey - it either proofs it down or chills it.  Adding water is how they get it to the proof they want to bottle it at.  Now the argument on whether adding water helps it open up and get more flavorful I think is dependent on the individual- I like and can handle and prefer higher proof.  I get much more flavor and experience with higher proof whiskey.  For that reason I almost never add water.  But I totally get why someone would and why they would like it better.  
I have drifted towards almost exclusively neat the past year. The best part for me is it slows down my drinking. If I add ice or water, I end up drinking almost any whiskey like water. Neat forces me to slow down a bit and just enjoy the experience.

 
I have drifted towards almost exclusively neat the past year. The best part for me is it slows down my drinking. If I add ice or water, I end up drinking almost any whiskey like water. Neat forces me to slow down a bit and just enjoy the experience.
I find that a splash of water improves most good scotches.

 
I was in the bourbon thread talking about wanting something "smoky" and ended up going down a scotch rabbit hole.  I just bought Talisker Distillers Edition (bottled 2019).  Have not tried yet . . . .

 
I was in the bourbon thread talking about wanting something "smoky" and ended up going down a scotch rabbit hole.  I just bought Talisker Distillers Edition (bottled 2019).  Have not tried yet . . . .
My father has quested me to get him one of those as well. Hoping to find it for less than $100.

 
While I'm thinking about it, here are a couple more I've tried in the last couple of months:

Dewar's isn't bad, but it really just kind of sits there and seems more Irish than Scotch. No wonder they keep experimenting with other liquors.

I got the strangest note from another low-budget brand, Glen Ness: Play-Doh.  I kid you not, it tasted like Play-Doh smells. The only way I'll finish it is if I can find a mixer that tastes like crayons. Seems appropriate.

Thanks to the power of youtube, I found a sub $10 brand called Glen Logie. Very reminiscent of the Sir Edwards I began my Scotch journey with, but with a little more of what I can only call--in a good way--funk.

Another brand the Whisk(e)y Tribe reviewed and I subsequently tried is Scarabus (purchased on sale, of course). Comparable to the Smoke Head I got for Christmas, another poor man's Lagavulin.  Not as full flavored, but a lot going on nonetheless.

Finally, thanks to @Leeroy Jenkins bumping this thread, I pulled the trigger on the Talisker Distiller's Edition for my dad. I'll  probably take it to him this weekend and no doubt he'll share a dram with me. I'll report back.

 
The only place near me so far that even had it at one time had it for 90, and the nearest Total Wine has it for 110. At this point, what's $20 when it comes to my dad?
Got to try the Talisker Distillers Edition with my dad on Saturday. Unfortunately, we were both disappointed. The flavor palate seemed muddled and came across as very dark and bitter not in a good way, though it did have a familiar peaty note toward the end. I still want to try the 10 and/or the Storm expressions, however.

The interesting part, though, is that I seemed to have re-awakened my father's interest in scotch. He was never much of a drinker while I was growing up, and my mother always had such strong negative feelings about alcohol in general that he never bothered. I guess that at 81, he decided that life is too short to worry about that any more.  I was able to exchange the Talisker for 2 bottles he was more familiar with: Macallan (got the 12 Yr Double Cask) and Crown Royal, plus he wants to go with me the next time, which will be this coming Saturday, to make up the rest of the difference of what we spent on the Talisker. He should still be able to pick up a nice, smooth mid-range brand of some sort.  For me, I'm enjoying having something new to bond with him, and maybe that's where he's coming from as well. It's also interesting to me as I sort of figured out what his preferences are and am attempting to use my still noob-level experience to help guide him to something he'll like.  As of now, I know that even though he's had at least 2 bottles of Laphroiag in the past (he still has the little property deed that came with them), he's not really into Islay, as he didn't really care much for the Lagavulin I shared with him on my last birthday. I would say his two choices on Saturday are a pretty strong indication that he prefers his whisk(e)y on the smooth side. I even suggested he try Irish as well, as I find those pretty tame and not unlikable. Speaking of Irish, if anyone has any experience with Jameson Black Barrel, I'd love to hear it.

Also forgot to mention I tried Game of Thrones Johnny Walker Blue at a party recently.  To me, it tasted too much like the Red and Black, and therefore I wasn't impressed.

I returned the Play-Doh flavored Glen Ness 8 Year and swapped it for slightly more expensive brand, Hamilton's Islay. Hamilton's has several different blends, including a Speyside, but I was still smarting from the disappointment of the Talisker, so I went with something more in my supposed wheelhouse. To me, it's a solid Islay, smoke and peat, but not much else going on, which I don't mean in a bad way, especially at its price, which takes me back to what I was driving at in my first post in this thread. While ~$20 is a tough threshold, I found a small but reliable group of brands close enough to that level that satisfy me and aren't ruined when compared to better/more expensive brands.

:bye:

 
I don’t know much about scotch, but wanted to try to get into it. 
 

Opened the Talisker Distillers Edition last night. Neat in a glencairn glass. 
 

Kind of a goldenrod color. Smells sweet with a little smoke and alcohol. I thought it tasted a bit sweet, almost licorice like, but finished with a quick hit of bitter and then smoke. I liked it overall. 
 

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I don’t know much about scotch, but wanted to try to get into it. 
 

Opened the Talisker Distillers Edition last night. Neat in a glencairn glass. 
 

Kind of a goldenrod color. Smells sweet with a little smoke and alcohol. I thought it tasted a bit sweet, almost licorice like, but finished with a quick hit of bitter and then smoke. I liked it overall. 
 
Add a splash of water and see if it opens up even more for you.

 
Add a splash of water and see if it opens up even more for you.


How do you determine the need for ice/water?

eta - I've always drank it the way it was given, however whoever else was drinking had it.

 
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How do you determine the need for ice/water?

eta - I've always drank it the way it was given, however whoever else was drinking had it.
My recommendation is to always start neat as once you add water or ice you can’t take back the dilution.  It is definitely be a preference thing.  Almost every whiskey will evolve some when adding a little water which essentially lowers the proof.  For me, I always love higher proof stuff so rarely add water.  Will on a rare occasion add ice if it’s hot outside or I’m just in the mood for having it chilled.

 
As some of you know - I drink the crap out of bourbon/rye and cocktails.  I’m not opposed to scotch and have a few in my collection.  Nothing that I love though.  I like but don’t love Monkey Shoulder, Macallans is decent.  Glenmorangie is alright.  Never enjoyed heavy peat, ever - and don’t think I’ll ever get there.  But I did have Lagavulin 16 and really enjoyed the smokiness of it.  I can get a bottle for $90 and probably will just to have it on hand for scotch drinkers but is there a cheaper option that gives that similar profile that I could work on my palate with?  Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.  

 
As some of you know - I drink the crap out of bourbon/rye and cocktails.  I’m not opposed to scotch and have a few in my collection.  Nothing that I love though.  I like but don’t love Monkey Shoulder, Macallans is decent.  Glenmorangie is alright.  Never enjoyed heavy peat, ever - and don’t think I’ll ever get there.  But I did have Lagavulin 16 and really enjoyed the smokiness of it.  I can get a bottle for $90 and probably will just to have it on hand for scotch drinkers but is there a cheaper option that gives that similar profile that I could work on my palate with?  Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.  
Laphroaig Quarter Cask is a good cheaper Islay Malt

 
Define "splash" for me?  I always see people saying to add "a few drops" which begs the questions -- do I need an eyedropper in my bar???


I picked up using a water bottle lid from the Whiskey Tribe guys - seems easier and give you better control over the amount.  If you really wanted to control it you could probably take an old bitters bottle, clean it out and keep water in it - that's actually not a bad idea now that I think about it.

 
As some of you know - I drink the crap out of bourbon/rye and cocktails.  I’m not opposed to scotch and have a few in my collection.  Nothing that I love though.  I like but don’t love Monkey Shoulder, Macallans is decent.  Glenmorangie is alright.  Never enjoyed heavy peat, ever - and don’t think I’ll ever get there.  But I did have Lagavulin 16 and really enjoyed the smokiness of it.  I can get a bottle for $90 and probably will just to have it on hand for scotch drinkers but is there a cheaper option that gives that similar profile that I could work on my palate with?  Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.  
My wife bought me--at the recommendation of the store clerk--Smokehead (~$60 price range) as a Christmas present, and by the time I finished it, I thought it compared favorably to the Lagavulin 16. It's not as complex and despite its name, it's not overwhelmingly smokey. Also, the Scarabus (~35) that Rex and Daniel reviewed is in that general end of the spectrum. Smokey Joe (~$35) is another one I've tried and liked that's lighter on the peat and not overwhelming on the smoke, and the Hamilton's Islay (~$22) I recently picked up also falls on the same end of the spectrum as the Lagavulin, though again not as complex.

Lagavulin 16 has been fluctuating between $90-$110 around me. The bottle I bought last December was $90, so if you can get it for that, I'd say you made a good purchase. Everyone seems to be in love with the slightly cheaper Offerman Edition (aged in Guiness casks), but I haven't tried it yet so I can't speak to the difference.

 
As some of you know - I drink the crap out of bourbon/rye and cocktails.  I’m not opposed to scotch and have a few in my collection.  Nothing that I love though.  I like but don’t love Monkey Shoulder, Macallans is decent.  Glenmorangie is alright.  Never enjoyed heavy peat, ever - and don’t think I’ll ever get there.  But I did have Lagavulin 16 and really enjoyed the smokiness of it.  I can get a bottle for $90 and probably will just to have it on hand for scotch drinkers but is there a cheaper option that gives that similar profile that I could work on my palate with?  Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.  
Macallan 18 is about my favorite thing to drink - I love that stuff.

I am not into the super peaty scotches either, but I gotta say, a good peaty scotch with a rare steak is a wonderful combo.

I was with a couple colleagues in NY city at Del Frisco's a few years back and we ordered some Glenlivet 18 with our steaks. They were out, so the waiter brought over a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 and poured us three triple neats. We absolutely loved it and had an amazing dinner. I now keep a bottle at home on hand at all times.

The 16 year Lagavulin is pretty damn good too.

I'm not a huge scotch guy so I don't really have a good recommendation for a less-expensive alternative, but the three you mentioned are three that I really enjoy.

 
How do you determine the need for ice/water?

eta - I've always drank it the way it was given, however whoever else was drinking had it.
My experience is that a splash of water almost universally improves the nose and flavor of scotches of all varieties.  Some scotch purists say it's best to add water from the same source as that used to make the whisky in the first place.  Bully for them, I say.  Filtered water from my fridge (still a bit cold or brought to room temp) works fine for me.

The amount is really to taste but I agree with some up thread that you can definitely over-water.  A good scotch should have "legs", which means when you slowly swirl the liquid around your glass, it will stick to the sides and slowly drop back down to the bottom.  That shouldn't change after you add a splash of water.

Also, it's a good idea to take a small sniff to get used to the alcohol before taking a bigger sniff, and many people do this before then after adding the water.  Same for the tasting - a small taste first gets you over the blast of the alcohol, then the larger taste, and you should "chew" for 3-5 seconds before swallowing to get the best effect.

Never - I mean never - put ice in any whisky that you're drinking for the flavor.  All ice does is numb your taste buds and water down (in a bad way) the drink.

 
Macallan 18 is about my favorite thing to drink - I love that stuff.

I am not into the super peaty scotches either, but I gotta say, a good peaty scotch with a rare steak is a wonderful combo.

I was with a couple colleagues in NY city at Del Frisco's a few years back and we ordered some Glenlivet 18 with our steaks. They were out, so the waiter brought over a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 and poured us three triple neats. We absolutely loved it and had an amazing dinner. I now keep a bottle at home on hand at all times.

The 16 year Lagavulin is pretty damn good too.

I'm not a huge scotch guy so I don't really have a good recommendation for a less-expensive alternative, but the three you mentioned are three that I really enjoy.


Yeah - those 3 are more in my Scotch wheelhouse but I had the Lagavulin 16 at a Brazilian Steakhouse and thought it was really good and I just loved the smoke.  Most of really peaty stuff is too medicinal for my taste but I love smokey.

 
My experience is that a splash of water almost universally improves the nose and flavor of scotches of all varieties.  Some scotch purists say it's best to add water from the same source as that used to make the whisky in the first place.  Bully for them, I say.  Filtered water from my fridge (still a bit cold or brought to room temp) works fine for me.

The amount is really to taste but I agree with some up thread that you can definitely over-water.  A good scotch should have "legs", which means when you slowly swirl the liquid around your glass, it will stick to the sides and slowly drop back down to the bottom.  That shouldn't change after you add a splash of water.

Also, it's a good idea to take a small sniff to get used to the alcohol before taking a bigger sniff, and many people do this before then after adding the water.  Same for the tasting - a small taste first gets you over the blast of the alcohol, then the larger taste, and you should "chew" for 3-5 seconds before swallowing to get the best effect.

Never - I mean never - put ice in any whisky that you're drinking for the flavor.  All ice does is numb your taste buds and water down (in a bad way) the drink.


Despite doing it on rare occasions I have to concur with the bolded - the only time I do it is with cheaper whiskey and when it's hot and I'm looking for something a little bit cooler.

 
Visited my father this weekend, and sure enough he opened the Macallan 12 Year Double Cask and poured me a wee dram. As I expected, it was smooth like an Irish whiskey, but when I added a drop of water, smoke and peat came out of nowhere.  It was a 'Jekyll and Hyde' moment for me, and I really enjoyed it. It's way out of my normal price range, but it's now on my list of 'white whales'.

Before we opened the Macallan, we made the trip I had been anticipating all week and went to the Total Wine where I buy most of my booze.  He bought a couple of minis, including a cognac (missed the brand) and at my prodding, Jameson. He's never had Jameson, and since his tastes are more on the 'smooth' side of the spectrum, I figured he may like it.  On the way back, we stopped at a newer Total Wine-ish place closer to his house. Their scotch selection was a lot smaller, but well represented and noticeably cheaper. I reflexively grabbed a handle of Laphroiag 10 when I saw it on the self for $40, nearly $15 less than most other places near me.  Naturally I had some that night and wasn't disappointed, though I did learn I like it better neat than with even a drop of water.  One of the notes I can't quite put my finger on, but my brain called it minty so that's what I'll go with for now.  They also have Lagavulin 16 for ~$80, so I know where I'm going on my birthday.  FWIW, another one whose price caught my eye was Monkey Shoulder for $27.  I'm not sure how they are able to set their prices so much lower, but I'll gladly reap the benefit.

 
Charlie Steiner said:
Visited my father this weekend, and sure enough he opened the Macallan 12 Year Double Cask and poured me a wee dram. As I expected, it was smooth like an Irish whiskey, but when I added a drop of water, smoke and peat came out of nowhere.  It was a 'Jekyll and Hyde' moment for me, and I really enjoyed it. It's way out of my normal price range, but it's now on my list of 'white whales'.

Before we opened the Macallan, we made the trip I had been anticipating all week and went to the Total Wine where I buy most of my booze.  He bought a couple of minis, including a cognac (missed the brand) and at my prodding, Jameson. He's never had Jameson, and since his tastes are more on the 'smooth' side of the spectrum, I figured he may like it.  On the way back, we stopped at a newer Total Wine-ish place closer to his house. Their scotch selection was a lot smaller, but well represented and noticeably cheaper. I reflexively grabbed a handle of Laphroiag 10 when I saw it on the self for $40, nearly $15 less than most other places near me.  Naturally I had some that night and wasn't disappointed, though I did learn I like it better neat than with even a drop of water.  One of the notes I can't quite put my finger on, but my brain called it minty so that's what I'll go with for now.  They also have Lagavulin 16 for ~$80, so I know where I'm going on my birthday.  FWIW, another one whose price caught my eye was Monkey Shoulder for $27.  I'm not sure how they are able to set their prices so much lower, but I'll gladly reap the benefit.
If you want a smooth Jameson, try cask mates stout edition

 
Both are on my to try list, looking forward to your reviews.
Me too. 
 

I realize that these are basically polar opposites. 
 

I came into this thread initially because I was looking for a bourbon that had hints of dark chocolate and smokiness. Bourbon thread sent me to scotches if I wanted smoke. 
 

The Glenmorangie Signet seems to fit that profile.  Rave reviews. I am excited for it. 
 

Now, I have only had one other scotch — the Taliskers distillers edition. Which I like fine, but the flavor I really liked from it was the smoke — the first time I had it I thought it was like smoking a cigar (in a good way). But I think my palate has adjusted and the smoke doesn’t hit as hard. 
 

So now I ordered the smoke bomb Ardbeg 10. Hopefully it isn’t too much, but I am looking for a mouth full of smoke and they describe some citrus or creamy to it as well which should be to my liking. We shall see. 

 
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