The Seahawk Fan Conundrum (to everyone) (1 Viewer)

[cdwood]

As a fan, I always cheer louder during the playoffs than I do during the NFL draft.

 

[TheWheel]

Can some explain why Charlie Whitehurst is getting compared to first Peyton Manning, then Kurt Warner, and then Mark Sanchez (and a dominate Jets defense). Not even Matt Hasselbeck is comparable to any of them. Anybody can win a game, but not just anybody can beat the best teams in the league. Seattle has a double homefield advantage in a east coast (kindaaa) team traveling to the West but even if they win, the Falcons or Eagles will blow them away. I take the pick. I don't go out there and throw the game, but I'd rather move up 15 spots in line. It is extremely ridiculous to say a drafting later is better. Early picks bust because they play for crappy teams. The Seahawks shouldn't need a playoff appearance to be hungry to win next year. Get a stud and be able to actually contend. You might as well dissolve the draft if a later pick is better than an early one.

 

[mad sweeney]

Can some explain why Charlie Whitehurst is getting compared to first Peyton Manning, then Kurt Warner, and then Mark Sanchez (and a dominate Jets defense). Not even Matt Hasselbeck is comparable to any of them. Anybody can win a game, but not just anybody can beat the best teams in the league. Seattle has a double homefield advantage in a east coast (kindaaa) team traveling to the West but even if they win, the Falcons or Eagles will blow them away. I take the pick. I don't go out there and throw the game, but I'd rather move up 15 spots in line. It is extremely ridiculous to say a drafting later is better. Early picks bust because they play for crappy teams. The Seahawks shouldn't need a playoff appearance to be hungry to win next year. Get a stud and be able to actually contend. You might as well dissolve the draft if a later pick is better than an early one.

Link? I've never seen anything like that, even on the most optimistic Seahawks MBs.

 

[TheWheel]

Everybody in this thread saying the Seahawks can do what the Colts, Cardinals, and Jets have done.

 

[proninja]

Everybody in this thread saying the Seahawks can do what the Colts, Cardinals, and Jets have done.

Don't pull a muscle with that stretch there

 

[QuizGuy66]

Can some explain why Charlie Whitehurst is getting compared to first Peyton Manning, then Kurt Warner, and then Mark Sanchez (and a dominate Jets defense). Not even Matt Hasselbeck is comparable to any of them. Anybody can win a game, but not just anybody can beat the best teams in the league. Seattle has a double homefield advantage in a east coast (kindaaa) team traveling to the West but even if they win, the Falcons or Eagles will blow them away. I take the pick. I don't go out there and throw the game, but I'd rather move up 15 spots in line. It is extremely ridiculous to say a drafting later is better. Early picks bust because they play for crappy teams. The Seahawks shouldn't need a playoff appearance to be hungry to win next year. Get a stud and be able to actually contend. You might as well dissolve the draft if a later pick is better than an early one.

By this count, Whitehurst is the 4th coming. This is unpossible though as it violates the law of Tebow Anyhow, 98-42 in favor of the playoffs. It's actually been a pretty steady race at about 70%. Probably a little bit higher percentage going for the draft pick than I would've expected.-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Everybody in this thread saying the Seahawks can do what the Colts, Cardinals, and Jets have done.

What exactly do these 3 teams have in common right now? Not all 3 are in the playoffs.Not all 3 have won a Super Bowl.Not all 3 have made the Super Bowl in my lifetime.Not all 3 have a "t" in their name.Anyhow, keep voting folks -QG

 

[BobbyLayne]

Chip and a chair.Any given Sunday.The Arizona Cardinals (then proclaimed the worst playoff team in history) were a few plays away from a Super Bowl.A puncher's chance.Compared to: Rick Mirer, Dan McGwire, Koren RobinsonThere is no guarantee that the high draft pick will be good or result in what the Seahawks have today: a spot in the tournament. The playoff berth is worth it just to get the fan-base enthused and believing in Schneider and Carroll.

Gets it

my teams sucks. next to no chance to win it all. I'm taking the 10 slot jump in every round. Even if they manage to win the WC game (they won't) they get CREAMED in the next round. Thats not worth a substantial jump in draft pick slottage.

Doesn't get it

 

[FUBAR]

If Im a Seattle fan, I want the draft spot. I know, I know Any Give Sunday and all that, and that's great but let's be real. Hawks are playing the Saints, they already destroyed them once and everyone knows its pretty likely they won't do any better this time around. Is it really worth 10 draft spots to get your @## handed to you in front of the whole country?

 

[TenTimes]

Not sure why people wouldn't choose a guaranteed playoff berth over what you might get with better draft positioning. If you have a spot in the playoffs, you take it. Yes, I think the clock is ticking on their season. But the Saints could definitely lose on the road. If the Packers beat the Eagles (definitely possible) the Seahawks would then go to Chicago. I'm not a huge believer in Chicago; they could serve up enough turnovers to lose that game.Now, could the Packers go to Atlanta and win? I think they could. That would put the conference championship game in Searle. I'm not putting money on that scenario, but it's not so implausible that the Seahawks would be better off with a higher draft pick. Anything can happen.Edit: The only time I can think it *might* benefit a team to not make the playoffs is if a dominant team lost a ton of important players (Brady, BJGE, Woodhead, Branch and Welker let's say) to injury and limped into the post-season with backups, so they could address other needs for when their guys heal up. But even then, you'd still want to try to win four games in a row and claim the title. Brady was the backup at one time and that worked out pretty well. No, I think you always choose the playoff spot. There are only six available in your conference. That's always better than a higher draft pick imo.

Great post. Seattle will make New Orleans play a great game to win, that's a given. QWEST Field can be brutal to opposing teams, and the playoffs is when it is at it's worst. And they've already beaten the Bears once this season, in Chicago. They are still a longshot, but the Seahawks won't go quietly like people are expecting.

If only the playoffs went through QWEST. Being careful what you wish for aside.. tomorrow I am a huge Packers fan!

 

[QuizGuy66]

Hmm...should I re-ask the question to see if folks would still want the playoff spot if they knew they'd at best get the 25th pick instead of the 8th? That might be a deal-breaker right there

-QG

 

[mad sweeney]

Hmm...should I re-ask the question to see if folks would still want the playoff spot if they knew they'd at best get the 25th pick instead of the 8th? That might be a deal-breaker right there -QG

Like I said, they don't put up banners in the stadium for getting a better draft pick. Biggest upset in playoff history? The Run (waiting until a name gets given to it, for now it's just capitalized)? The sheer joy of invalidating, at least in part, all of the massive criticism about not belonging in the playoffs? Opportunity to watch them play the best game of the season (maybe the Bears was as good, can't rememeber)? The best postseason game for Hass' swan song? Valuable playoff experience for a group of talented recently drafted players? A substantial HELL YES, all definitely worth dropping into the later part of the rounds. Pete's a wheeler and dealer, he'll get the pick he wants no matter where they draft.

 

[proninja]

That was AWESOME

 

[Incogneto]

That run alone was worth the 4th we traded for Lynch.

That win alone was worth the 17 spot drop in the draft.

It was the single greatest moment in Seahawks football since they beat Carolina in '05. As a huge Seahawk fan, its been a very hard the last number of years. We deserved this.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think the way to frame the Qwestion today is...

Would you prefer to have a 3-5% chance of winning the Super Bowl and have the #25 pick, or would you prefer to have the #8 pick and no chance of winning the Super Bowl?

 

[proninja]

I think the way to frame the Qwestion today is... Would you prefer to have a 3-5% chance of winning the Super Bowl and have the #25 pick, or would you prefer to have the #8 pick and no chance of winning the Super Bowl?

Absolutely correct. Let's not take the home playoff win into account at all. It clearly doesn't matter.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

If Im a Seattle fan, I want the draft spot. I know, I know Any Give Sunday and all that, and that's great but let's be real. Hawks are playing the Saints, they already destroyed them once and everyone knows its pretty likely they won't do any better this time around. Is it really worth 10 draft spots to get your @## handed to you in front of the whole country?

"ouch"

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think the way to frame the Qwestion today is... Would you prefer to have a 3-5% chance of winning the Super Bowl and have the #25 pick, or would you prefer to have the #8 pick and no chance of winning the Super Bowl?

Absolutely correct. Let's not take the home playoff win into account at all. It clearly doesn't matter.

The odds that a team with a 1/3 chance to win each game goes on to win three in a row is about 4%. And I'm not sure the Seahawks would have a one-in-three shot against any team left in the playoffs.

 

[kevjones22]

Seahawks already handily beat the Bears in October. Bears converted 0/12 3rd downs. This was in Chicago.

 

[ImTheScientist]

If Im a Seattle fan, I want the draft spot. I know, I know Any Give Sunday and all that, and that's great but let's be real. Hawks are playing the Saints, they already destroyed them once and everyone knows its pretty likely they won't do any better this time around. Is it really worth 10 draft spots to get your @## handed to you in front of the whole country?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Please note my official new sig. Thanks thread.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Hmm...should I re-ask the question to see if folks would still want the playoff spot if they knew they'd at best get the 25th pick instead of the 8th? That might be a deal-breaker right there -QG

Like I said, they don't put up banners in the stadium for getting a better draft pick. Biggest upset in playoff history? The Run (waiting until a name gets given to it, for now it's just capitalized)? The sheer joy of invalidating, at least in part, all of the massive criticism about not belonging in the playoffs? Opportunity to watch them play the best game of the season (maybe the Bears was as good, can't rememeber)? The best postseason game for Hass' swan song? Valuable playoff experience for a group of talented recently drafted players? A substantial HELL YES, all definitely worth dropping into the later part of the rounds. Pete's a wheeler and dealer, he'll get the pick he wants no matter where they draft.

Just think of the disaster it'll be if they win next win. Then you'll be stuck down in the bottom 4. Think of the ultimate humiliation - having to wait for every other team to get a turn before you get to pick in round 1 if they keep on failing to lose!-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Can some explain why Charlie Whitehurst is getting compared to first Peyton Manning, then Kurt Warner, and then Mark Sanchez (and a dominate Jets defense). Not even Matt Hasselbeck is comparable to any of them. Anybody can win a game, but not just anybody can beat the best teams in the league. Seattle has a double homefield advantage in a east coast (kindaaa) team traveling to the West but even if they win, the Falcons or Eagles will blow them away. I take the pick. I don't go out there and throw the game, but I'd rather move up 15 spots in line. It is extremely ridiculous to say a drafting later is better. Early picks bust because they play for crappy teams. The Seahawks shouldn't need a playoff appearance to be hungry to win next year. Get a stud and be able to actually contend. You might as well dissolve the draft if a later pick is better than an early one.

By this count, Whitehurst is the 4th coming. This is unpossible though as it violates the law of Tebow Anyhow, 98-42 in favor of the playoffs. It's actually been a pretty steady race at about 70%. Probably a little bit higher percentage going for the draft pick than I would've expected.-QG

27-3 in favor of the playoffs since this post. Funny how that works -QG

 

[mad sweeney]

That run alone was worth the 4th we traded for Lynch.

That win alone was worth the 17 spot drop in the draft.

It was the single greatest moment in Seahawks football since they beat Carolina in '05. As a huge Seahawk fan, its been a very hard the last number of years. We deserved this.

It reminded me of the 90+ yard punt return Burleson had his first year with us against the Rams in a shootout where Holt and Bulger had 3 TDs (on my fantasy team, great week!). Was worth the money for that alon, for that game was lost without that spark.Funny side note, Burleson holds the record for the msot 90+ yard punt returns for TDs. Of course, most smart returners don't catch the damn ball inside the 10!

 

[mad sweeney]

Hmm...should I re-ask the question to see if folks would still want the playoff spot if they knew they'd at best get the 25th pick instead of the 8th? That might be a deal-breaker right there -QG

Like I said, they don't put up banners in the stadium for getting a better draft pick. Biggest upset in playoff history? The Run (waiting until a name gets given to it, for now it's just capitalized)? The sheer joy of invalidating, at least in part, all of the massive criticism about not belonging in the playoffs? Opportunity to watch them play the best game of the season (maybe the Bears was as good, can't rememeber)? The best postseason game for Hass' swan song? Valuable playoff experience for a group of talented recently drafted players? A substantial HELL YES, all definitely worth dropping into the later part of the rounds. Pete's a wheeler and dealer, he'll get the pick he wants no matter where they draft.

Just think of the disaster it'll be if they win next win. Then you'll be stuck down in the bottom 4. Think of the ultimate humiliation - having to wait for every other team to get a turn before you get to pick in round 1 if they keep on failing to lose!-QG

It'll be unbearable knowing we could've picked #25 instead of going to the NFC championship game (at Qwest if GB wins, no?). They should fire the coach if this kind of humiliation is allowed to occur!

 

[QuizGuy66]

Hmm...should I re-ask the question to see if folks would still want the playoff spot if they knew they'd at best get the 25th pick instead of the 8th? That might be a deal-breaker right there -QG

Like I said, they don't put up banners in the stadium for getting a better draft pick. Biggest upset in playoff history? The Run (waiting until a name gets given to it, for now it's just capitalized)? The sheer joy of invalidating, at least in part, all of the massive criticism about not belonging in the playoffs? Opportunity to watch them play the best game of the season (maybe the Bears was as good, can't rememeber)? The best postseason game for Hass' swan song? Valuable playoff experience for a group of talented recently drafted players? A substantial HELL YES, all definitely worth dropping into the later part of the rounds. Pete's a wheeler and dealer, he'll get the pick he wants no matter where they draft.

Just think of the disaster it'll be if they win next win. Then you'll be stuck down in the bottom 4. Think of the ultimate humiliation - having to wait for every other team to get a turn before you get to pick in round 1 if they keep on failing to lose!-QG

It'll be unbearable knowing we could've picked #25 instead of going to the NFC championship game (at Qwest if GB wins, no?). They should fire the coach if this kind of humiliation is allowed to occur!

Absolutely. Or at least fire the quarterback! (seriously his departure has been written about as an assumption of fact more than even John Fox's it seems.-QG

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I was going to post this, this weekend. The heck with it here it is: Seattle beats The Saints. You heard it here first.

Nice call.

 

[proninja]

This is cool

 

[5Rings]

Way to go Seahawks!

Tired of people ripping you guys when just last year, a less-deserving Jets team was everybody's sweetheart. Hey, at least you guys played and beat real teams to make the playoffs... not having shell teams roll over for ya!

Go Hawks!

 

[mad sweeney]

Hmm...should I re-ask the question to see if folks would still want the playoff spot if they knew they'd at best get the 25th pick instead of the 8th? That might be a deal-breaker right there -QG

Like I said, they don't put up banners in the stadium for getting a better draft pick. Biggest upset in playoff history? The Run (waiting until a name gets given to it, for now it's just capitalized)? The sheer joy of invalidating, at least in part, all of the massive criticism about not belonging in the playoffs? Opportunity to watch them play the best game of the season (maybe the Bears was as good, can't rememeber)? The best postseason game for Hass' swan song? Valuable playoff experience for a group of talented recently drafted players? A substantial HELL YES, all definitely worth dropping into the later part of the rounds. Pete's a wheeler and dealer, he'll get the pick he wants no matter where they draft.

Just think of the disaster it'll be if they win next win. Then you'll be stuck down in the bottom 4. Think of the ultimate humiliation - having to wait for every other team to get a turn before you get to pick in round 1 if they keep on failing to lose!-QG

It'll be unbearable knowing we could've picked #25 instead of going to the NFC championship game (at Qwest if GB wins, no?). They should fire the coach if this kind of humiliation is allowed to occur!

Absolutely. Or at least fire the quarterback! (seriously his departure has been written about as an assumption of fact more than even John Fox's it seems.-QG

The more I think about it, if the Seahawks continue to destroy their draft position by winning then I think the league should immediately make some new, overreactionary rules to make sure this "once since before WWII" affront never happens again and make the NFL draft serpentine. That way the ridiculousness of ruining your draft pick by winning would be mitigated in the even numbered rounds!Seriously though on Hass. Here's the thing, Whitehurst playing at his best had no chance of beating the Saints. Hass had a chance if it was Good Hass that showed up. If Bad hass was there, it would've been the drubbing most everyone predicted. It was a gamble that Carroll had to take. I don't think he can shake his habit of trying too hard when the team gets down, and despite their early and late season success, this team will still be a mediocre to barely good team and the compulsion to be Bad Hass will be great. It's hard to deal with, but Hass really needs to go. Pete needs his own guy to groom along with the rebuilding team and Hass doesn't fit in those plans. Neither does Whitehurst either, IMO. However, Hass is the best QB the Hawks have ever had and they had the best record in the NFC for 5 years when they were hot (again, #### you Hutchinson) and if he didn't have 2 WRs in the top 5 for dropped passes during that time who knows how high he could've gone. I'm extremely happy that he gets the chance to go out on his own terms, with the ball in his hands, in the playoffs, proving the nation wrong while putting up record postseason numbers. Both parties should realize that the parting won't be any better if he's around longer. Holmgren will have him in Cleveland and in a few years Matt can raise the 12th Man flag at an NFC Championship game. The Hawks fans that do nothing but talk trash about him can go hang out with Hutchinson, they clearly don't remember what it's like without a veteran QB and team leader even though there's been plenty of chances the last few years to see what the likes of Wallace and Whitehurst can (or more specifically, can't) do.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is cool

Cool isn't even a good enough word! Thanks

 

[QuizGuy66]

So if I get this right, even if Hasselbeck delivers a Super Bowl title Hawks fans think he should go?

Should this be a 2nd pole?

-QG