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That's fine. Give him credit for actual accomplishments though. For example, if NK would actually denuke, he'd deserve credit for that.
NK was firing missiles over Japan last couple of Obama years so yeah, where NK is today is a credit to Trump.James Daulton said:
I admit, I won't ever fully understand the elementary "if it happens when he's in office, it's his fault/success" shtick, so forgive me if these are dumb questions. Are you saying that it's a positive to Trump that NK has the ability to reach the US with ICBMs now? Are you saying it's a positive to Trump that his presidency is the only one where a rocket capable of reaching the US has ever been fired, and it's been done twice? Are you saying it's a positive to Trump's Presidency that NK is opening new facilities in an effort to further their weaponry and significantly upgrade the technology behind their systems? These all happened on Trump's watch and no one else's. That's "where NK is today" but the disconnect for me is your use of the word "credit". What do you mean by that?
The questions continue to mount. What do you mean by "keeps Obama's administration pace on spending" above? Is that standard hit by Trump increasing spending by 50% (the most conservative estimate I could find...it's likely going to be 100-125% when all is said and done)? Obama's last deficit was around $585 billion. Trump's deficit for 2018 is projected to be almost $900 billion, at best.
Seems like an incredibly odd statement for a self proclaimed "fiscal conservative" to make. Are you sure you're that? You've made several comments similar to this that suggest at least one of a few things is true. You either don't know the term and what it means. You don't know the actual numbers and are going on "feel" (seems to be a popular approach with you). Or it's some combo of both.
I'm a simple man.
There's no need for "ifs"...we can look at what's happening in all these instances. The deficit's growth with the most kind assumptions possible is 50% faster than Obama's in a similar market. Chances are that number will end up being 75-100% at the end of the fiscal year.
Behaves = simply not shooting missiles all over the place? Yeah, that's a significant problem with your bar. While you might be simple, it doesn't mean you get to set absurdly simple standards for complex topics. It doesn't work that way. I gave you all the events that are happening on Trump's watch as well as the things that have only happened on his watch. You can ignore them if you want and reduce it to "he's not shooting missiles = win" if you want. You won't be taken seriously.
You'll never, ever be able to declare win/loss here based on your own established criteria. There are so many more variable and a future that is unknowable that you'll never get passed the causation/correlation problem you always seem to run into. I mean, even today, you are gobbling up the "crisis" shtick even though you've been shown that issues at our border have been decreasing over the last 10-20 years. They are better now than they were 20 years ago, so clearly it's not as simple as "if the number goes up, it's a fail...if it goes down it's a win". They have been going down, steadily, for years and you're still all in on "crisis" status.
if that happens, its a negative, and on Trump's watch
you're trying to change the topic here - as for numbers give Obama credit and GW where its due then on illegals, human trafficking, walls being built, security funding, deportations etc etc ..... give them credit and blame for how many illegally people live in out nation etc
It's interesting that you essentially punt on this after seeing the things that are happening on Trump's watch. If you have an opinion as to why those things are good, then I'd like to hear the reasoning behind that opinion.
Very nice for him to let us know. Pure class this guy. You know he's getting his reelection campaign to pay for this.
Not at all really. Really more pandering and once again showed how out of touch he is.
yeah no....to be clear, he can do whatever he wants. This doesn't move the needle for me one way or the other. I take exception with this sort of thing in this thread though. The purpose is in the thread title.
It's funny but I don't think it is anything to praise or criticize for. Just good for a laugh.
See...this appears to be the type of post missing by some. A way to acknowledge what you feel were positive and still admit the negative.
Also Trump supported the banning of bump stocks on weapons. Another thing I like is Trump's willingness to confront China about its predatory trade practices. Obama seemed asleep at the switch on this. Are tariffs the answer? I don't know but Trump was willing to call them out and took action.Moonlight said:
Bump stocks was an easy one but yeah...he went along with it.
I don't consider this an accomplishment. Good for taxpayers that he's not wasting our money while simultaneously stealing it from us but, not an accomplishment.
No. I got it.
Yeah saw both those stories recently. Who knows, his administration is so disorganized. I like the idea of this and I would love to see him give some international speeches and put pressure on other countries.
I learned early in this thread that it's just best to wait for the thing to actually happen. He's so unreliable and lies so much, the mere mention/promise of it really isn't worth anything.
They put a rover on the moon. So that would just about put them level with the US in 1969....
Do farmers? Or all those he has cost with his trade policies? Did those same people love the numbers just last month when About 20,000 were added?
