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[5 digit know nothing]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[rascal]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/congressman-urges-hagel-to-bring-back-furloughed-dod-workers/

 

[Ballstein]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

That 47% doesn't tell the whole story. Some of those in that number voted against the ACA... in favor of A one payer system instead.

 

[Sand]

Boehner needs to end this. State, once again, why they did it and make the case against Obamacare one more time but pass along a clean CR. Right now, the stories would be about the glitches in the first day of the law, not the shutdown.

You are 100% correct about this. The Republicans have missed a golden opportunity.

I know this is cynical, but at this point instead of trying to do right by the population of their districts they should go ahead and let this thing through. Wait a year until this thing starts its death spiral (which I consider a given - this is a perfect setup for a cost implosion) and then use it to bludgeon the Democrats in the next election. What the Republicans are doing, while the best thing for the country as a whole, is losing out on the jackpot of all political currency.

If they want it this bad let them have it.

 

[Neofight]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation refudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

 

[timschochet]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Umm no it can't.

The poll says:

72% of American voters oppose shutting down the government as a tactic to block the ACA

That doesn't leave too much room for interpretation, IMO.

 

[DanFouts]

They should just shut off all federal services to districts that have any of these teabagger party reps. That way their constituents are happy since they hate Big govt and we don't have to pay for their crap anymore. Problem solved.

 

[Apple Jack]

It's not about Obamacare. They know it's getting through. It is law. They're using the sentiment to get something else they want out of it. At the cost of everybody impacted by the shutdown.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Umm no it can't.The poll says:

72% of American voters oppose shutting down the government as a tactic to block the ACA

That doesn't leave too much room for interpretation, IMO.

Stating the Democrats have no hand in the decision to shutdown the government is ignorant.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

They should just shut off all federal services to districts that have any of these teabagger party reps. That way their constituents are happy since they hate Big govt and we don't have to pay for their crap anymore. Problem solved.

Cool no I.R.S. audits

 

[timschochet]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Umm no it can't.The poll says:

72% of American voters oppose shutting down the government as a tactic to block the ACA

That doesn't leave too much room for interpretation, IMO.

Stating the Democrats have no hand in the decision to shutdown the government is ignorant.

Actually I do believe that, but it has nothing to do with the poll. The poll used the phrase "as a tactic to block the ACA"- obviously this refers to the Republicans, not to the Democrats, since the Dems are demanding an up or down vote on the budget.

You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but it's pretty clear that 72% of the American public blame the Republicans for the shutdown.

 

[cstu]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation refudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

Boehner will come out in speech and tell everybody how he saved America from a disaster. A week later no one will remember anything as usual.

 

[matuski]

Tim, every other post in this thread is you.

Breathe dude.

 

[cstu]

jon, I can see by your comments that you believe this is all political posturing and that the Republicans would agree to a few small changes to Obamacare. That leads me to believe that you either haven't been paying attention or that you still do not get the Tea Party. THEY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES in the way you are a conservative. You and I disagree a lot, but you're a rational guy who believes in limited government, opposes big spending, and wants to see taxation kept low. That's all fine. You're a traditional Republican and there's nothing wrong with that. The Tea Party is a different animal entirely. They don't represent you. You're willing to compromise; they are not.

The only way you're going to get the Tea Partiers to compromise is if you told them they could only screw Ayn Rand if it was one giant gangbang. Even then they'd complain about it being socialism.

 

[StrikeS2k]

You know Tim, 20 years from now you're gonna look back and say to yourself....

"Self, I can't believe I spent so much time arguing politics on a football forum that I amassed 10,000,000,000,000 posts. I really should have spent some time with the kids. What were their names again?"

 

[cstu]

You know Tim, 20 years from now you're gonna look back and say to yourself....

"Self, I can't believe I spent so much time arguing politics on a football forum that I amassed 10,000,000,000,000 posts. I really should have spent some time with the kids. What were their names again?"

When all else fails, there's always ad hominem.

 

[Fennis]

You know Tim, 20 years from now you're gonna look back and say to yourself....

"Self, I can't believe I spent so much time arguing politics on a football forum that I amassed 10,000,000,000,000 posts. I really should have spent some time with the kids. What were their names again?"

When all else fails, there's always ad hominem.

Hmmmm, I would have guessed his kids name was something like "Mark".

 

[Doctor Detroit]

There is one area where the House, Senate, and President have come to an agreement and passed a billhttps://iqconnect.lmhostediq.com/iq...BILLS-113hr3210enr/pdf/BILLS-113hr3210enr.pdf providing uninterrupted pay for our military and DOD civilians. Our armed forces and civilian support have suffered the most this year during the sequester, and it was essential that they were protected during this government slowdown. But early this morning, I learned that the Department of Defense narrowly interpreted that law to apply only to a small group of civilian defense employees. This ignores the clear language of the House bill that mandates that all military and civilians are protected from the slowdown, including our National Guard and Reserve members serving in active duty status, full-time Guard members, and dual-status technicians. I have sent a letter to Secretary Hagel to ask him to rectify this situation immediately.

Email I received from Lankford (R-OK)

Woah

ETA: I emailed my congressman (Steny Hoyer) asking him to clarify this. Will write my Senators tomorrow.

 

[timschochet]

You know Tim, 20 years from now you're gonna look back and say to yourself....

"Self, I can't believe I spent so much time arguing politics on a football forum that I amassed 10,000,000,000,000 posts. I really should have spent some time with the kids. What were their names again?"

Cat's In the Cradle, eh?

 

[dparker713]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Umm no it can't.The poll says:

72% of American voters oppose shutting down the government as a tactic to block the ACA

That doesn't leave too much room for interpretation, IMO.

Stating the Democrats have no hand in the decision to shutdown the government is ignorant.

Well, they're refusing to cave to blackmail. So sure, they could capitulate, but I don't think any informed rational person could conclude there is any nexus between what the Republicans are demanding and this CR, especially since the ACA is being implemented regardless of the shutdown.

 

[sublimeone]

Boehner is just letting democrats fully own the obamacare disaster. I would love for them to stand firm and let the shutdown go on until the stalemate can be broken but I think the republican strategy is to use the shutdown as a way to remind voters that the fight isn't over. They'll come to some kind of face saving compromise for both sides and the Statue of Liberty will be open in a week.

 

[dparker713]

Boehner is just letting democrats fully own the obamacare disaster. I would love for them to stand firm and let the shutdown go on until the stalemate can be broken but I think the republican strategy is to use the shutdown as a way to remind voters that the fight isn't over. They'll come to some kind of face saving compromise for both sides and the Statue of Liberty will be open in a week.

If by compromise you mean a clean CR, sure. And seriously, how is this fight not over? The Republicans have lost every step of the way on the ACA. This is over unless the Republicans can gain both houses and the Presidency. But based on the last election cycle, that seems rather far fetched. How many times do they need to lose before this is over? Will this basically replace abortion as the lost cause Republicans cling to for the next 40 years?

 

[sublimeone]

Boehner is just letting democrats fully own the obamacare disaster. I would love for them to stand firm and let the shutdown go on until the stalemate can be broken but I think the republican strategy is to use the shutdown as a way to remind voters that the fight isn't over. They'll come to some kind of face saving compromise for both sides and the Statue of Liberty will be open in a week.

If by compromise you mean a clean CR, sure. And seriously, how is this fight not over? The Republicans have lost every step of the way on the ACA. This is over unless the Republicans can gain both houses and the Presidency. But based on the last election cycle, that seems rather far fetched. How many times do they need to lose before this is over? Will this basically replace abortion as the lost cause Republicans cling to for the next 40 years?

Obamacare is always going to be a simple majority away from being non-existent. It was arrogant to pass the bill through reconciliation and it will be obamacares undoing at some point.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Boehner is just letting democrats fully own the obamacare disaster. I would love for them to stand firm and let the shutdown go on until the stalemate can be broken but I think the republican strategy is to use the shutdown as a way to remind voters that the fight isn't over. They'll come to some kind of face saving compromise for both sides and the Statue of Liberty will be open in a week.

If by compromise you mean a clean CR, sure. And seriously, how is this fight not over? The Republicans have lost every step of the way on the ACA. This is over unless the Republicans can gain both houses and the Presidency. But based on the last election cycle, that seems rather far fetched. How many times do they need to lose before this is over? Will this basically replace abortion as the lost cause Republicans cling to for the next 40 years?

Obamacare is always going to be a simple majority away from being non-existent. It was arrogant to pass the bill through reconciliation and it will be obamacares undoing at some point.

They'll need 60 in the Senate to ever overturn it.

 

[dparker713]

Boehner is just letting democrats fully own the obamacare disaster. I would love for them to stand firm and let the shutdown go on until the stalemate can be broken but I think the republican strategy is to use the shutdown as a way to remind voters that the fight isn't over. They'll come to some kind of face saving compromise for both sides and the Statue of Liberty will be open in a week.

If by compromise you mean a clean CR, sure. And seriously, how is this fight not over? The Republicans have lost every step of the way on the ACA. This is over unless the Republicans can gain both houses and the Presidency. But based on the last election cycle, that seems rather far fetched. How many times do they need to lose before this is over? Will this basically replace abortion as the lost cause Republicans cling to for the next 40 years?

Obamacare is always going to be a simple majority away from being non-existent. It was arrogant to pass the bill through reconciliation and it will be obamacares undoing at some point.

If by simple, you mean super, maybe.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Disney Offers Full-Time Jobs to Park Staff as Obamacare Starts

1 hour ago

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[Mario Kart]

I will continue the following campaign:

VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!!!

 

[quickhands]

The real problem to me is the precedent. When one side does something like this the other ups the ante later. Anyone thinking the dems would not do this to a GOP president in the future is mistaken. IT's just an escalation of the lengths the parties will go to to prove they are different from and better than the other party. If one house of congress disagrees with a law in the future this could be the template to fight it.

At some point governing has to take precedence over campaigning and establishing positions to solidify your base, if not this country cannot survive. No country lasts forever, if we do not find a way to make compromise a strength instead of a weakness we are on a path to failure.

Both sides are acting like little kids. Repubs and Dems both suck balls now. It's all about the slapfight and not about bettering the nation and fixing the problems. Whole lotta stomping feet, pointing fingers, and yelling "BUT HE STARTED IT". Jackholes, the lot of em.

No no NO!!!People need to stop spewing this "both sides" crap. In this instance, the fault is SOLELY the Tea Party, and the GOP leadership which has caved to them. That's it. Not Obama, not the Democrats. This lies completely at the feet of the Republican party.

So you don't lay any responsibility on the Dems for how they got their bill pushed to this point?

It isn't a bill, it is a Law. The pushing is done with on the ACA.

It passed, has survived 40+ attempts to repeal, the Unites States Supreme Court upheld it, the country reinforced it by re-electing Obama... it needs no more compromising.

so is DOMA. its been reinforced. but now a law is ignored.

 

[quickhands]

the president blew off part of the law.

 

[msommer]

The real problem to me is the precedent. When one side does something like this the other ups the ante later. Anyone thinking the dems would not do this to a GOP president in the future is mistaken. IT's just an escalation of the lengths the parties will go to to prove they are different from and better than the other party. If one house of congress disagrees with a law in the future this could be the template to fight it.

At some point governing has to take precedence over campaigning and establishing positions to solidify your base, if not this country cannot survive. No country lasts forever, if we do not find a way to make compromise a strength instead of a weakness we are on a path to failure.

Both sides are acting like little kids. Repubs and Dems both suck balls now. It's all about the slapfight and not about bettering the nation and fixing the problems. Whole lotta stomping feet, pointing fingers, and yelling "BUT HE STARTED IT". Jackholes, the lot of em.

No no NO!!!People need to stop spewing this "both sides" crap. In this instance, the fault is SOLELY the Tea Party, and the GOP leadership which has caved to them. That's it. Not Obama, not the Democrats. This lies completely at the feet of the Republican party.

So you don't lay any responsibility on the Dems for how they got their bill pushed to this point?

It isn't a bill, it is a Law. The pushing is done with on the ACA.

It passed, has survived 40+ attempts to repeal, the Unites States Supreme Court upheld it, the country reinforced it by re-electing Obama... it needs no more compromising.

so is DOMA. its been reinforced. but now a law is ignored.

USA vs Windsor Surpreme Court decision disagrees and has called section 3 unconstitutional

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

so is DOMA. its been reinforced. but now a law is ignored.

DOMA was struck down by the Supreme Court.

 

[jamny]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

Hey, does anyone know if the Administration/executive branch is empowered by the law to do these things as part of the law's implementation?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

That's one of the distinct differences between the executive and legislative.

The executive can delay certain parts of new laws being implemented. It's happened before and will happen again. It under their power to do so.

Meanwhile the executive can never force votes on a bill to make it become law. That's only done by the legislative.

 

[jamny]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

That's one of the distinct differences between the executive and legislative.

The executive can delay certain parts of new laws being implemented. It's happened before and will happen again. It under their power to do so.

Meanwhile the executive can never force votes on a bill to make it become law. That's only done by the legislative.

I understand that he's allowed by law to do it, what I'm saying is that you can't expect those that are opposed to the law to be happy with exemptions given to certain people who Obama feels are worthy. There has been no give and take regarding this law from Day One. It's been one sided the whole way. I don't have a problem with it because they are in power and can do what they want but don't be surprised by opposition and don't say this whole mess we're in is only on the backs of one side. They are all resposible because they just don't know how to work together and there is no one in Washington that can unite and lead.

 

[Balance]

so is DOMA. its been reinforced. but now a law is ignored.

DOMA was struck down by the Supreme Court.

An impressive whiff.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

That's one of the distinct differences between the executive and legislative.

The executive can delay certain parts of new laws being implemented. It's happened before and will happen again. It under their power to do so.

Meanwhile the executive can never force votes on a bill to make it become law. That's only done by the legislative.

I understand that he's allowed by law to do it, what I'm saying is that you can't expect those that are opposed to the law to be happy with exemptions given to certain people who Obama feels are worthy. There has been no give and take regarding this law from Day One. It's been one sided the whole way. I don't have a problem with it because they are in power and can do what they want but don't be surprised by opposition and don't say this whole mess we're in is only on the backs of one side. They are all resposible because they just don't know how to work together and there is no one in Washington that can unite and lead.

The republicans should accept the fact that they lost control of the presidency, house and senate.

Then they should work towards not letting that happen again... yet they are going in the opposite direction.

When the Dems controlled all 3 is when they passed a bill/law. Now the R's want to act like that session never happened. Well it did. That was the peoples choice. And the conservative SC upheld it.

 

[jamny]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

That's one of the distinct differences between the executive and legislative.

The executive can delay certain parts of new laws being implemented. It's happened before and will happen again. It under their power to do so.

Meanwhile the executive can never force votes on a bill to make it become law. That's only done by the legislative.

I understand that he's allowed by law to do it, what I'm saying is that you can't expect those that are opposed to the law to be happy with exemptions given to certain people who Obama feels are worthy. There has been no give and take regarding this law from Day One. It's been one sided the whole way. I don't have a problem with it because they are in power and can do what they want but don't be surprised by opposition and don't say this whole mess we're in is only on the backs of one side. They are all resposible because they just don't know how to work together and there is no one in Washington that can unite and lead.

The republicans should accept the fact that they lost control of the presidency, house and senate.

Then they should work towards not letting that happen again... yet they are going in the opposite direction.

When the Dems controlled all 3 is when they passed a bill/law. Now the R's want to act like that session never happened. Well it did. That was the peoples choice. And the conservative SC upheld it.

I agree. I think the shutdown is on the Republicans but how we got here is on both sides. Completely dysfunctional government.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

I know this is cynical, but at this point instead of trying to do right by the population of their districts they should go ahead and let this thing through. Wait a year until this thing starts its death spiral (which I consider a given - this is a perfect setup for a cost implosion) and then use it to bludgeon the Democrats in the next election. What the Republicans are doing, while the best thing for the country as a whole, is losing out on the jackpot of all political currency.

If they want it this bad let them have it.

Completely agree. If ACA is really as bad as the R's say, let it crash and burn. Then swoop in and pick up the pieces. All they're doing now is reinforcing the thought that they're gumming up the works.

 

[jamny]

I know this is cynical, but at this point instead of trying to do right by the population of their districts they should go ahead and let this thing through. Wait a year until this thing starts its death spiral (which I consider a given - this is a perfect setup for a cost implosion) and then use it to bludgeon the Democrats in the next election. What the Republicans are doing, while the best thing for the country as a whole, is losing out on the jackpot of all political currency.

If they want it this bad let them have it.

Completely agree. If ACA is really as bad as the R's say, let it crash and burn. Then swoop in and pick up the pieces. All they're doing now is reinforcing the thought that they're gumming up the works.

That's why Boehner should give in today. The point was made and no one will forget which side is against the ACA.

 

[The Z Machine]

All they're doing now is reinforcing the thought that they're gumming up the works.

Because they ARE gumming up the works. Actually, they aren't gumming it up, they've thrown a wrench into the works. They have basically sabotaged the functioning of the government. They are acting like children.

 

[parasaurolophus]

That figure of 72% is only going to grow if this continues for a few days. I predict that Boehner will find some way to gracefully retreat here. I'm not sure how he'll do it though. I'm hoping the result is a complete repudiation of the Tea Party, but that seems unlikely given the gerrymandering that the GOP has done.

...and of course you assume this translates into 72% of them blame the GOP, but when you keep reading...

This is despite the fact that 47% of those same Americans polled are opposed to the ACA, with only 45% in favor of it.

It can be interpreted that the Democrats are equally to blame. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Umm no it can't.The poll says:

72% of American voters oppose shutting down the government as a tactic to block the ACA

That doesn't leave too much room for interpretation, IMO.

Stating the Democrats have no hand in the decision to shutdown the government is ignorant.

Actually I do believe that, but it has nothing to do with the poll. The poll used the phrase "as a tactic to block the ACA"- obviously this refers to the Republicans, not to the Democrats, since the Dems are demanding an up or down vote on the budget.

You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but it's pretty clear that 72% of the American public blame the Republicans for the shutdown.

I didnt see the poll. Did it specify that 72 percent believed republicans are responsible or that 72 oppose the shutdown?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I understand that he's allowed by law to do it, what I'm saying is that you can't expect those that are opposed to the law to be happy with exemptions given to certain people who Obama feels are worthy.

Worthy?

There has been no give and take regarding this law from Day One. It's been one sided the whole way.

This is just ignorant. The democrats used as a starting point the GOPs twenty year old proposal. They then kept removing anything possibly resembling a democratic idea hoping and begging for this to have support across party lines. But the "party of no" after molding the bill (why is Congress exempt again?) decided to smack around anyone that considered crossing party lines.

I don't have a problem with it because they are in power and can do what they want but don't be surprised by opposition and don't say this whole mess we're in is only on the backs of one side. They are all resposible because they just don't know how to work together and there is no one in Washington that can unite and lead.

Yep! If the democrats didn't put the Kenyan, Muslim Terrorist in the oval office there might not have been any need for the "Party of no."

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I agree. I think the shutdown is on the Republicans but how we got here is on both sides. Completely dysfunctional government.

Keep repeating this will convince many, but it is not true.

 

[snogger]

Is the Shutdown to blame for the security blunder?

Nice...

Several SSL certificates controlled by the US Government expired today and are still being used — for example, the SSL certificates used on both ui.tn.gov and webmail.coop-uspto.gov have expired and may not be replaced any time soon. Furthermore, there are at least 30 US Government sites still using SSL certificates that are scheduled to expire before Friday.

SSL certificates expiring may be least of the problems for US Government websites, some websites have been taken offline: www.nasa.gov now redirects to notice.usa.gov.

 

[jamny]

I agree. I think the shutdown is on the Republicans but how we got here is on both sides. Completely dysfunctional government.

Keep repeating this will convince many, but it is not true.

Would there have been a shutdown if there was a working budget?

 

[Phil Elliott]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

winner winner chicken dinner

 

[spreagle]

the president blew off part of the law.

It is a good point. Obama can give waivers, exemptions and delays to whoever he wants and the Republicans should just accept it?

winner winner chicken dinner

Agree, nailed it. The debate is over. Take this right to the brink and make Obama blink.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/government-shutdown-explained-idiot/story?id=20432756 shameful

 

[The Commish]

Is the Shutdown to blame for the security blunder?

Nice...

Several SSL certificates controlled by the US Government expired today and are still being used — for example, the SSL certificates used on both ui.tn.gov and webmail.coop-uspto.gov have expired and may not be replaced any time soon. Furthermore, there are at least 30 US Government sites still using SSL certificates that are scheduled to expire before Friday.

SSL certificates expiring may be least of the problems for US Government websites, some websites have been taken offline: www.nasa.gov now redirects to notice.usa.gov.

This kind of stuff happens daily. SSL certs aren't a big deal unless you have to cycle machines....I'm not even sure how someone outside the gov't would even know about this.