The Tea Party is back in business! (1 Viewer)

[Chaz McNulty]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

Whew! Atleast we know now that your gym trainer has a true completely unbiased view of the situation.

 

[Joe McGee]

What stuns me is that everyone know Obamacare won't work. People are saying there's no room to compromise but this whole thing will be one big compromise. Once it fails, Democrats will attempt to amend it countless times to reach their true goal of socialized medicine under a fluffy name so people don't actually call it socialized medicine.

NO ONE WANTS OBAMACARE. Including Democrats. This is just the beginning of years and years of painful negotiations.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

How is he shirking? Let me give you an example. I move to FL to start a business and I am uninsured, I get assaulted by some ##### and end up in the hospital with a $13k bill that I am now responsible for, am I too shirking the "insurance society"?

if you don't have the means to pay, who foots the bill?

Better question is who profits off of rates that are 10x what they should be? The uninsured gets ####ed by having a lean against him and the hospital gets a write off on their taxes for bad debt and then some collection agency profits once the lean is paid off. How are insurance companies affected? they aren't.

This isn't like car insurance, one guy gets hit by another car by a driver without car insurance. So if the guy that got hit claims it his premiums go up.

 

[Scoresman]

What stuns me is that everyone know Obamacare won't work. People are saying there's no room to compromise but this whole thing will be one big compromise. Once it fails, Democrats will attempt to amend it countless times to reach their true goal of socialized medicine under a fluffy name so people don't actually call it socialized medicine.

NO ONE WANTS OBAMACARE. Including Democrats. This is just the beginning of years and years of painful negotiations.

this explains a lot.

 

[Slapdash]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!" The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

2/3rds of the uninsured "plan" to buy insurance. 25% will pay the fine. 11% says #### that.

source? There are 45 million uninsured.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/164696/two-three-uninsured-americans-plan-buy-insurance.aspx

How can they know they will buy health insurance without knowing what it will cost them? You do realize the ACA was advertising free health insurance and have since changed their tune to "low cost" right? There's no way in hell 2/3rds of uninsured Americans are going to be insured in the next 2 months. Only way that happens is if a large percentage of them realize they can't afford their taxes for 2014 after they realize how much this is going to cost them per month.

We need gallup to unskew this poll imo

 

[badmojo1006]

What stuns me is that everyone know Obamacare won't work. People are saying there's no room to compromise but this whole thing will be one big compromise. Once it fails, Democrats will attempt to amend it countless times to reach their true goal of socialized medicine under a fluffy name so people don't actually call it socialized medicine.

NO ONE WANTS OBAMACARE. Including Democrats. This is just the beginning of years and years of painful negotiations.

 

[Ballstein]

So the republicans are so worried the ACA will be bad for us they are willing to stop the country. I sure wish they had the same affection for the great numbers of uninsured and sick citizen's in in god's USA.

 

[moleculo]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

How is he shirking? Let me give you an example. I move to FL to start a business and I am uninsured, I get assaulted by some ##### and end up in the hospital with a $13k bill that I am now responsible for, am I too shirking the "insurance society"?

if you don't have the means to pay, who foots the bill?

Better question is who profits off of rates that are 10x what they should be? The uninsured gets ####ed by having a lean against him and the hospital gets a write off on their taxes for bad debt and then some collection agency profits once the lean is paid off. How are insurance companies affected? they aren't.

This isn't like car insurance, one guy gets hit by another car by a driver without car insurance. So if the guy that got hit claims it his premiums go up.

The hospital raises it's rates because they know there will be x% of medicine that they will have to write off. That doesn't affect the insurance companies, other than the higher costs the hospital incurs is passed to consumers thru the insurance company.

I'm not sure there is a whole lot of profit here. The only one winning in this scenario is the guy who got $13k in medical treatment for the price of a lean.

 

[timschochet]

We need to make changes to Obamacare!

OK, what changes do you you want?

We need to get rid of it!

Well, that's not gonna happen.

We need to delay it for a year!

Well, that's not gonna happen, either.

We need to to delay the most important part of it for a year!

I thought you said you wanted to make changes. But all you want to do is basically get rid of it.

You refuse to compromise!

 

[shader]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

This mentality that all uninsured people get their doctor bills paid for by "society" is bull####.

Hospitals have a ton of unpaid medical bills from people who never pay. Some hospitals have it far worse than others. So to an extent it's true.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

We need to make changes to Obamacare!

OK, what changes do you you want?

We need to get rid of it!

Well, that's not gonna happen.

We need to delay it for a year!

Well, that's not gonna happen, either.

We need to to delay the most important part of it for a year!

I thought you said you wanted to make changes. But all you want to do is basically get rid of it.

You refuse to compromise!

Those are some compelling counter-offers.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

We need to make changes to Obamacare!

OK, what changes do you you want?

We need to get rid of it!

Well, that's not gonna happen.

We need to delay it for a year!

Well, that's not gonna happen, either.

We need to to delay the most important part of it for a year!

I thought you said you wanted to make changes. But all you want to do is basically get rid of it.

You refuse to compromise!

Whether you support Obamacare or not, I do not buy that is the only thing Congress can take action on to fix the government debt problem.

It may be harder to predict the weather but there is 100% certainty the debt ceiling will be raised after they run down the clock. These guys are masters of Kick the Can.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I'm not sure there is a whole lot of profit here. The only one winning in this scenario is the guy who got $13k $1300 in medical treatment for the price of a lean.

Fixed that for you to reflect the 10x amount being charged. When I checked myself out of the hospital the nurse said I needed reconstructive eye surgery, so maybe that 10x number should be 20x since they want to perform unnecessary operations on me.

 

[commisholio]

We need to make changes to Obamacare!

OK, what changes do you you want?

We need to get rid of it!

Well, that's not gonna happen.

We need to delay it for a year!

Well, that's not gonna happen, either.

We need to to delay the most important part of it for a year!

I thought you said you wanted to make changes. But all you want to do is basically get rid of it.

You refuse to compromise!

Those are some compelling counter-offers.

R's had a chance to shape Obamacare when it was passed into law. They declined. It's now the law. They don't have the votes to change it. They need to get the #### over it, act like grownups, and fund the damn government.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Astute observations Chaz. The problem is that it's not just Ted Cruz and a few looney morons. A large % of Americans are completely clueless as to how the gov't runs, and they liken gov't debt, deficits, and the budget to their own household debt, deficit, and budgets. See icon's thread about "OMG DEBT!!!!!!!"

The tea party morons aren't just a fringe radical group, their ideas are supported by the majority of the base of the party. That's why we're in this debacle, and John Boehner won't call them out.

Didn't you mean the majority of Americans? I know you get off calling everyone else stupid, but if you can't spot the sucker...

My gym trainer was asking me about the government shutdown so I filled him in. Then I asked him if he was familiar with the ACA (aka Obamacare), he said he heard of it. I knew he didn't have health insurance so I asked him, did you know if you don't sign up for it they are going to fine you, starting at about $100 and ramping up to $700 in two years and that his alternative to pay for it would run him about $4k? His response, "#### that", and no he didn't know that. So while the masses may not be as educated as TGunz, the word is not getting out there in terms of just how bad this is going to be for a lot of Americans.

So your trainer is either going to have to get health insurance or he'll be force to contribute to the insurance society is already paying for him that he is currently shirking on.

How is this bad for a lot of Americans again?

How is he shirking? Let me give you an example. I move to FL to start a business and I am uninsured, I get assaulted by some ##### and end up in the hospital with a $13k bill that I am now responsible for, am I too shirking the "insurance society"?

13k, you may be able to foot, if you sell your Jetta and drive a used Civic.

BUt what if that bill is $130k? Or $330k? Or it's a car wreck, and you're on life support for 2 weeks, and your bill is $1.3M?

 

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lol

 

[jon_mx]

Evil Tea Party!!!!

Impeach Boehner!!!!!

Stupid Rednecks!!!!!

Talk Radio!!!!!!

Gerrymandering!!!!!

Worse than the Taliban!!!!

Rinse and repeat.......

 

[cstu]

Here's a question:

How does the government know whether or not you have insurance?

 

[timschochet]

Here's a question:

How does the government know whether or not you have insurance?

Thats what the NSA is for.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Maybe that changes after Obama leaves office and (IMO) the Democrats run someone more palatable to Centrists and Independents.......

Please describe Obama's policy positions that were not centrists. (I mean other than those that came from the right of course - such as the ACA).

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Give me fiat power for 5 years. I will happily step down to the newly elected President in 2018. HE will be walking into the equivalent of a room full of gold bricks and naked blondes.

Just like any third world tyrant.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd vote for Yankee23fan

 

[Dr Oadi]

Here's a question:How does the government know whether or not you have insurance?

6,700 new IRS agents. Also your employer reports insurance on your w2.

 

[timschochet]

Give me fiat power for 5 years. I will happily step down to the newly elected President in 2018. HE will be walking into the equivalent of a room full of gold bricks and naked blondes.

Just like any third world tyrant.

Notice he never said whether the gold would be worth anything, or what the blondes would look like- for all you know, you could be walking into a room full of fake jewelry and ugly old fat Dutch people.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Are the ®'s afraid that ACA will be popular?

If they don't stop it now there will never be another opportunity. As noted earlier it doesn't need to be popular with everyone or even a majority. Just a solid minority. But I think when Americans realize that exchange insurance is much cheaper than COBRA and start taking advantage of some of the mobility that COBRA promised, but didn't really promise it will be much more than a small solid majority. That doesn't mean that it is without flaws, just that Americans will over the next few years start taking the good from it for granted. Thus no turning back.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I'm not going to get pulled back into a political argument. I've stated here many times that I do not have a "side" in this. And as a impartial observer, my opinion is that both sides are wrong.

Please note that I have said "my opinion."

Those that look only to confirm their belief that both sides are at fault have the same blinders that any partisan participant. And usually having checked out of the political debate those blinders are even worst. Does being neutral really mean refusal to weigh the choices at all?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

 

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Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

If different, how and why?

If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

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Get the hint, we are ignoring you

Why? It's a simple question.

I imagine after a while this is going to get pretty tough to scroll past on a mobile device

bump.

Bump

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Here's a question:How does the government know whether or not you have insurance?

6,700 new IRS agents. Also your employer reports insurance on your w2.

Yes. Forget about the CIA or the FBI. The IRS is the most powerful law enforcement agency in the US of A.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/spencer-green/internal-revenue-service-_b_3325231.html

 

[Sammy3469]

Exposure

Fox News poll has found disapproval of the Republican Party jumping to 59% in their latest poll.

According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%.

If those are Fox's numbers, I wouldn't want to see a real pollsters numbers if I was a Republican.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

There is ZERO evidence that either party is interested in curbing spending. That's part of this problem and the fact that they are just sitting around pointing fingers rather than addressing issues is nauseating.

Why should democrats provide evidence that they are pursuing republican talking points. "We have a spending problem" is a rhetorical device, it hasn't generally been the case in reality. Our problems have been on the revenue side. Democrats failure is to win office on a platform of paying for the wildly successful and popular programs ("keep government's hands of my Medicare", "SS is essential") with tax hikes. Failure to consider that some of their policy goals can be better achieved without government bureaucracy (I don't mean move to private sector) thus they protect that bureaucracy. There are other flaws of course.

But to consider it a flaw of the democrats to pursue the opposition's platform is an absurd position.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Exactly. I can't believe that most people in this thread can't see this. The republican representatives are doing a great job of representing their base. Have any of you guys looked at facebook? Go to conservative blogs and message boards. There are millions of people that are convinced that Obamacare is the end of the US and that it is being hoisted on the public by a socialist, marxist regime. So the fact that their representatives are trying to block Obamacare shouldn't surprise anyone.

There are two means to represent your base-

1) To do what they say they want

2) To represent their best interest

Of course these aren't always mutually exclusive, but which one is ultimately more "republican" when the two are in conflict?

 

[matttyl]

Here's a question:How does the government know whether or not you have insurance?

6,700 new IRS agents. Also your employer reports insurance on your w2.

Yes. Forget about the CIA or the FBI. The IRS is the most powerful law enforcement agency in the US of A.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/spencer-green/internal-revenue-service-_b_3325231.html

You'll report it on your tax return. They will have ways to verify it, just like they currently do to verify your income or anything else.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Random question...

Do proponents of ACA feel that it will be different or similar to the results Massachusetts has had with "RomneyCare"?

If different, how and why?

If same, do you feel Romneycare is a success?

Thanks. Honest question.

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Get the hint, we are ignoring you

Why? It's a simple question.

I imagine after a while this is going to get pretty tough to scroll past on a mobile device

bump.

Bump

Start here

 

[rascal]

Super dumb question. Say you're a family of 4. How much will obamacare cost? I know the waiver is 1% or something.

Depends.Here's a calculator to help you figure out the basics.

Holy crap.

According to that the government silver plan would cost me approximately 4 times what I'm currently paying for my employer provided plan.

How much do you think your employer is paying?

Are you implying my salary will go up by the amount they no longer pay? If so, I have some outstanding ocean front property for sale.

No. I think he's implying people who get their health insurance from their employer have no idea on the total cost of the benefit. The only reason the numbers seem high is because by and large we're insulated from them. If everyone was buying their insurance on the open market, those numbers would look pretty good.

I know the overall numbers are high, but I am looking from a selfish point of view as I look for what's in the best interests of my family. Instead of having my employer paying X% of my health care costs, I'm going to have to pick up all of my family's health care which is going to be substantially more than what I pay now. That is less money out of my pocket, and I guarantee that my salary will not go up in a corresponding move. My employers executives are going to say thanks Obama and pocket the money. I see this as nothing but a $$ grab by all parties against the middle class.

so look for a job where the employer picks up more of the healthcare benefits.

lol...yeah, cause every employer is suddenly going to do it automatically. It's going to be a big financial hit to the vast majority of americans.

 

[timschochet]

If someone in the White House actually said, "We're winning," that was really stupid. That's only going to harden the Republicans.

I'm watching former Republican Congressman Steve LaTourrette on Maddow. He suggests that all Obama has to do is offer to remove the medical device tax and Boehner will give in- at this point the Republican leadership is simply looking for some face-saving way out of this. If this is true, then jon_mx, of all people, was right in this thread when he suggested that all Obama needs to do is offer a "small bone."

There are lots of Dems opposed to the medical device tax as well. It's not a popular item. Maybe they should agree to this and call it a day?

 

[snogger]

If someone in the White House actually said, "We're winning," that was really stupid. That's only going to harden the Republicans.

I'm watching former Republican Congressman Steve LaTourrette on Maddow. He suggests that all Obama has to do is offer to remove the medical device tax and Boehner will give in- at this point the Republican leadership is simply looking for some face-saving way out of this. If this is true, then jon_mx, of all people, was right in this thread when he suggested that all Obama needs to do is offer a "small bone."

There are lots of Dems opposed to the medical device tax as well. It's not a popular item. Maybe they should agree to this and call it a day?

living here in western Wisconsin I've heard non-stop from the democrats in Minnesota say they are doing all they can to get rid of this tax. It would be a "win" for the right while at the same time giving those democrats against that tax a little something to go back to their voters with.

 

[The Z Machine]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

If someone in the White House actually said, "We're winning," that was really stupid. That's only going to harden the Republicans.

Its just giving the conservatives more rope to hang themselves with.

 

[timschochet]

Obama's position is strengthening day by day. I'm not sure he's going to give any concessions to the republicans.

I'm not saying he should make any significant changes to Obamacare. But on the other hand, if something minor like removing the device tax will end this, he should do it.

Yes, if he stays firm, the Republicans will probably surrender anyhow. But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America?

Its not losing face.

Its called acting reasonably and the use of proper procedures to effect change.

 

[matttyl]

Bump

Start here

Or here (which is two years more recent than your article)

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/15/romneycare-falters-in-massachusetts/

Oh, and Mass has the highest insurance premiums in the country, just saying - and they are increasing at faster than the average in this country.

Oh, and bankruptcies from medical costs actually rose after Romneycare went into effect in 2006.

Oh, and they had to raise taxes to pay for it.

Oh, and health care spending has increased dramatically in that state.

It cost about twice as much as predicted, and they needed $1.5B from the federal government to keep it going.

And studies show that guaranteed issue and no-pre ex is leading to "claim jumpers", which is causing individual (and small group as they are one bunch) rates to grow even faster to compensate.

 

[Underachievers]

Bump

Start here

Or here (which is two years more recent than your article)

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/15/romneycare-falters-in-massachusetts/

Oh, and Mass has the highest insurance premiums in the country, just saying - and they are increasing at faster than the average in this country.

Oh, and bankruptcies from medical costs actually rose after Romneycare went into effect in 2006.

Oh, and they had to raise taxes to pay for it.

Oh, and health care spending has increased dramatically in that state.

It cost about twice as much as predicted, and they needed $1.5B from the federal government to keep it going.

And studies show that guaranteed issue and no-pre ex is leading to "claim jumpers", which is causing individual (and small group as they are one bunch) rates to grow even faster to compensate.

Bump

Start here

Or here (which is two years more recent than your article)

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/15/romneycare-falters-in-massachusetts/

Oh, and Mass has the highest insurance premiums in the country, just saying - and they are increasing at faster than the average in this country.

Oh, and bankruptcies from medical costs actually rose after Romneycare went into effect in 2006.

Oh, and they had to raise taxes to pay for it.

Oh, and health care spending has increased dramatically in that state.

It cost about twice as much as predicted, and they needed $1.5B from the federal government to keep it going.

And studies show that guaranteed issue and no-pre ex is leading to "claim jumpers", which is causing individual (and small group as they are one bunch) rates to grow even faster to compensate.

OUCH.....

 

[rascal]

Bump

Start here

Or here (which is two years more recent than your article)

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/15/romneycare-falters-in-massachusetts/

Oh, and Mass has the highest insurance premiums in the country, just saying - and they are increasing at faster than the average in this country.

Oh, and bankruptcies from medical costs actually rose after Romneycare went into effect in 2006.

Oh, and they had to raise taxes to pay for it.

Oh, and health care spending has increased dramatically in that state.

It cost about twice as much as predicted, and they needed $1.5B from the federal government to keep it going.

And studies show that guaranteed issue and no-pre ex is leading to "claim jumpers", which is causing individual (and small group as they are one bunch) rates to grow even faster to compensate.

Holy crap

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If someone in the White House actually said, "We're winning," that was really stupid. That's only going to harden the Republicans.

Yeah but soon as Boehner said that, they had video of Rand Paul telling Mitch McConnell "we're gonna win this."

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Bump

Start here

Or here (which is two years more recent than your article)

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/15/romneycare-falters-in-massachusetts/

Oh, and Mass has the highest insurance premiums in the country, just saying - and they are increasing at faster than the average in this country.

Oh, and bankruptcies from medical costs actually rose after Romneycare went into effect in 2006.

Oh, and they had to raise taxes to pay for it.

Oh, and health care spending has increased dramatically in that state.

It cost about twice as much as predicted, and they needed $1.5B from the federal government to keep it going.

And studies show that guaranteed issue and no-pre ex is leading to "claim jumpers", which is causing individual (and small group as they are one bunch) rates to grow even faster to compensate.

I'll stick with mine.

ETA:

A leading driver of this disturbing trend is consumer preference for expensive hospitals over local clinics or basic care facilities. And this, in turn, can be traced to perhaps the central distortion of our system: the lack of price signals. When consumers aren’t confronted with the real cost of their care—whether because insurance obscures it, or for other reasons—they won’t balk at high price tags, and the system will continue to get more and more expensive. They’ll visit expensive hospitals unnecessarily, simply because they don’t have any financial reason to consume services more responsibly.

By the way you do realize that hospital organizations are scrambling because health spending is leaving the hospitals? (And this has nothing to do with ObamaCare but just customer preference - both insurance companies and patients.)

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

But is forcing the Republican leadership to lose face really good for America? I don't think it is. I think that if Boehner has to give in gaining nothing, there may be a civil war within the GOP, and I'm not confident that the Tea Party types won't win that. I think Boehner needs to be strengthened.

This sounds fantastic for America.

 

[Statorama]

I actually believe that Obama is leading by not bending an inch on this one. He has also given a few oppurtunities to Boehner to back down and save face, but he hasn't taken them.

This is a negotiation between two parties. A negotiation is a little give and a little take between BOTH sides. Not one side "backing down" to "save face".

 

[Statorama]

I actually believe that Obama is leading by not bending an inch on this one. He has also given a few oppurtunities to Boehner to back down and save face, but he hasn't taken them.

This is a negotiation between two parties. A negotiation is a little give and a little take between BOTH sides. Not one side "backing down" to "save face".

....and on your logic, Boehner and the Republicans have given President Obama plenty of opportunities to back down and save face as well.

 

[dparker713]

I actually believe that Obama is leading by not bending an inch on this one. He has also given a few oppurtunities to Boehner to back down and save face, but he hasn't taken them.

This is a negotiation between two parties. A negotiation is a little give and a little take between BOTH sides. Not one side "backing down" to "save face".

According to both sides there is no negotiating going on.