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The Top 300 Greatest TV Shows of All Time: FBG Consensus: 50 Lists received. 2: Seinfeld 1: Breaking Bad (11 Viewers)
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steelerfan1
Footballguy
I really didn’t think I’d have the show rated as high as I did. Was surprised when the list was spit out. I think if I redid it it would be more higher 20 low 30, but here we are…
Scoresman
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
158 - The Golden Girls
ComedyScore: 207
Average Rank: 45.1
Four previously married women live together in Miami, sharing their various experiences together and enjoying themselves despite hard times.
List Breakdown
Dan Lambskin 16
Scoresman 23
Runkle 30
Shaft41 51
ilov80s 60
Psychopav 60
Gally 60
Pip's Invitation 61
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Westworld
Season 1 to me more than makes up for the hit and miss aspects of the journey through the other seasons. I usually rewatched a Season 1 week's episode many times prior to the next one being released. Part of this was people guessed the twist pretty early on which led to debate and the need to go see what they sar. I was not observant enough on first watch to catch these twists.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Are the later seasons really not worth watching like I see online? Or just not as good as the first? I dont like watching incomplete series so only a season 1 watch doesn't really interest me.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Really liked S1. Not even sure if I got through S2, maybe it was S3 where I stopped. Thought I heard S4 got good again I was just never able to pick it back up
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Yep. They really dealt with a lot of issues that just weren’t discussed regularly back then
I remember watching this is a kid, I think it was part of the TGIF rotation but not 100% on that, but I still managed to tune in and watch a bunch of old ladies
We still watch the reruns almost every Sunday, sometimes it’s just background noise, but for being a 30 year old show or whatever it doesn’t seem dated
The chemistry they had on the show was amazing, even if it sounds like behind the scenes they didn’t always get along
BrutalPenguin
Footballguy
I had a love / hate relationship with this show. It was well acted, well written, had beautiful sets, but it was real work to figure out the plot. That sounds fun at first, but wears you down as it progresses.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Not as good as the 1st, but the 1st was remarkable. I loved the storyline of this show. Like most shows it got to fancy.
The Gator
Footballguy
The fall off was greatly exaggerated imo. It gets convoluted but all the info to follow along is there
Finally broke a string of 4 shows i have never seen (Clone Wars, Oz, SoA, and Westworld). I couldn't not have this show listed. So hilarious at the time even if I was just a kid. I wasn't sure if it would make the countdown and to see that I was one of the lower rankers of those ranking suprises me a bit. But it's only right that it should have been ranked in the 60's. ha
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
If we could rank single seasons, I would place season 1 of Westworld VERY high. But the other three seasons (especially season 3) were bad enough to drop it out of my top 70.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The writing is sometimes cheesy, as is often the case on network sitcoms, but the cast has great chemistry and the point of view is from a demographic that often gets ignored in the entertainment industry.
These days I see it as comfort TV. My wife can’t fall asleep without the TV on, so we set it to the Hallmark channel and fall asleep to Golden Girls reruns.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m shocked at the Golden Girls love. Shocked.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This begs the question (to me anyways) whether people's memories of shows are fonder than the quality of the shows themselves. Put another way, if people went watched shows now that they liked from decades ago . . . would they still find them as good and enjoyable?
I recently watched some episodes of shows that I liked "back in the day" . . . Family Ties, Cheers, The Six Million Dollar Man, The Fall Guy, Starsky & Hutch, etc. They get played on weird channels, some of them are even broadcast still. After watching a few, first I was like, "well maybe this one was one of the weaker episodes." Then I'd watch a few more, and the glory of the old days element seemed to wear off. It doesn't make them bad shows . . . but they may not have the same impact as it did on 12- or 15- or 20-year-old Anarchy.
I get the sense in some of these older shows that people are attached to their childhood and the shows that came along with it. I used to watch The Golden Girls with my mom. It was her favorite show, and it was something we scheduled around. It was a big deal. I didn't hate it . . . thought some episodes were funny. It's one of the things I remember doing most with my mom. But I personally wouldn't put it in a best of category (of all time, of the 80's, of comedies, etc.). Different strokes for different folks. (Not an endorsement for Different Strokes.)
Scoresman
Footballguy
In the case of the Golden Girls, I find that the humor has stood up. I've watched a few fairly recently. I dont feel the same about most other 80s sitcoms, even things like Cheers.
Scoresman
Footballguy
156 - The Andy Griffith Show
ComedyScore: 208
Average Rank: 29.4
Widower Sheriff Andy and his son Opie live with Andy's Aunt Bee in Mayberry NC. With virtually no crimes to solve, most of Andy's time is spent philosophizing and calming down his cousin Deputy Barney.
List Breakdown
AAABatteries 8turnjose7 9Rand al Thor 23
Tau37 41
simey 66
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
One of my favorite scenes from this show.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I haven't seen any of my show listed in a looooonnnnggg while.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I loved this show when I was young but couldn't remember anything that happened and never re-watched so couldn't list it.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I re-watched Cheers recently and it definitely held up.
I didn't think the Golden Girls was funny when it was new/fresh (and it surely wasn't relatable) - but comedy is obvioudly very subjective.
I totally disagree with this for Cheers. I started a rewatch a few weeks ago. I throw it on if we finish off a show late but it's not quite time to go to bed. I watch an episode or two every few days. I am up to Season 3 and it has held up to me. Still funny, still great writing, still great chemistry. Just tremendous. I definitely think it is just as good now as it was then and those talking about Sanford and Son's theme this theme has that crushed and is the best of all time IMO.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This was the biggest thing I re-discovered on rewatch - the barroom comradery seems so real and the characters have such depth. I I laughed out loud multiple times each episode - even when I knew the jokes were coming.
I am in the same boat. I remember a little about it but it didn't strike me as something that was a top 70 show even though I remember liking it.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
May be the first entry I haven't heard of or at least don't remember.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Yeah, I love basketball but have never heard of this show. Maybe before my time? I was born in 77.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I thought this would be higher (Binky: lower). Floyd the barber cracks me up to this day - it's like he's on acid in his own little world156 - The Andy Griffith Show
Comedy
Score: 208
Average Rank: 29.4
Widower Sheriff Andy and his son Opie live with Andy's Aunt Bee in Mayberry NC. With virtually no crimes to solve, most of Andy's time is spent philosophizing and calming down his cousin Deputy Barney.
List Breakdown
Rand al Thor 23
Tau37 41
simey 66
Yo Mama
Footballguy
I was a basketball player too. To me, aside from the great characters and excellent storylines, what impressed me the most was they had very realistic basketball scenes and (mostly) real players. Most basketball scenes in tv and movies at that point and since (looking at you Chachi) was pretty cheesy and fake.I knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
If this was more of a “favorites” ranking for me instead of a “greatest” ranking, White Shadow would probably be in my top ten. Love this show.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I hear you. I would have had it Top 20 no matter what. As you say, the in-game scenes were very realistic (well, Salami wasn't the greatest dribbler). It just felt like "this is real", ya know?I was a basketball player too. To me, aside from the great characters and excellent storylines, what impressed me the most was they had very realistic basketball scenes and (mostly) real players. Most basketball scenes in tv and movies at that point and since (looking at you Chachi) was pretty cheesy and fake.I knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
If this was more of a “favorites” ranking for me instead of a “greatest” ranking, White Shadow would probably be in my top ten. Love this show.
zamboni
Footballguy
Speaking on behalf of every middle/upper middle class white kid from the suburbs, this show meant everything. Loved all the characters on the show and was definitely drawn by Ken Reeves being from Bayside, Queens (where I grew up).I knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Tremendous theme song too, with Ken falling down hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2-b0MidBjU
And loved the MTM cat dribbling the ball at the end of the closing credits: https://youtu.be/UuYwHrJMItI?t=48
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
this is the reason I left it off my list. it was pretty great early, but at some point it went off the rails a bit.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I forgot about that! So awesome.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think three: Salami, Thorpe and HaywardI knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Scoresman
Footballguy
Your list looks pretty front-loaded to me, meaning less in 200-101 and more 100-1.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I didn't know Salami did. Thorpe & Hayward seemed to direct about half of the episodes aired on TV in the '80s/90s. I'd be watching some random show and see one of them listed in the credits - "WTF? He was on 'White Shadow!'"I think three: Salami, Thorpe and HaywardI knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
really enjoyed the first couple seasons, but couldn't stick with it after a while.
one thing about Westworld that is AMAZING is the piano versions of popular rock/alt songs that it used. even if you've never seen the show, they're worth looking up.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
another one I forgot about that I watched reruns of every single day.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Just couldn’t rank it
Scoresman
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Salami (Timothy Van Patten) directed a bunch of Sopranos episodes, among many other things. Also the half brother of D!ck Van Patten - not sure if his big show will show up.I didn't know Salami did. Thorpe & Hayward seemed to direct about half of the episodes aired on TV in the '80s/90s. I'd be watching some random show and see one of them listed in the credits - "WTF? He was on 'White Shadow!'"I think three: Salami, Thorpe and HaywardI knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I loved this show when it was on - but have never watched a single episode since and not on any moral grounds, just always saw it as "a time and place" show and wasn't interested in revisiting. It definitely deserves a spot in the rankings though.155 - The Cosby Show
Comedy
Score: 210
Average Rank: 44.8
The goings-on in the life of a successful African American family.
List Breakdown
Gally 31
Jayrod 32
Shaft41 37
ilov80s 61
The Gator 62
Rand al Thor 64
whoknew 64
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
154 - Columbo
Drama
Score: 213
Average Rank: 35.5
Los Angeles homicide detective Lieutenant Columbo uses his humble ways and disingenuous demeanor to winkle out even the most well-concealed of crimes.
List Breakdown
Todem 23
Eephus 25
krista4 38
Chaos34 58
Gally 67
Love this "show" but the truth is, it wasn't really a TV show. Each episode was a TV movie (90 minutes or 2 Hours) that was part of a weekly rotating The NBC Mystery Movie along with McMillen & Wife and McCloud.
I ultimately left it off my list due to the technicality.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Same as you two with your thoughts. I have the DVDs, have watched them several times over the last few decades, so it still holds up for me. I don't know what the viewing would be like for someone who didn't grow up in that time if they watched the show now for the first time. I think it would hold up about as well as a drama from the late 70s could, it was well written. In a cast that size they still managed to give depth and unique identities to most of the players. They also weren't afraid of depicting flaws in the adult characters as well. It was well acted too, especially considering how young and inexperienced the guys where who were the basketball team. They got some pretty good guest stars on from time to time, but the main thing was it felt like they depicted an authentic high school experience through the lens of the basketball team.Speaking on behalf of every middle/upper middle class white kid from the suburbs, this show meant everything. Loved all the characters on the show and was definitely drawn by Ken Reeves being from Bayside, Queens (where I grew up).I knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Tremendous theme song too, with Ken falling down hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2-b0MidBjU
And loved the MTM cat dribbling the ball at the end of the closing credits: https://youtu.be/UuYwHrJMItI?t=48
The opening song is indeed killer.
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zamboni
Footballguy
That episode when Curtis Jackson got shot still sticks with me. And always felt bad for Goldstein the way they ranked on him.Same as you two with your thoughts. I have the DVDs, have watched them several times over the last few decades, so it still holds up for me. I don't know what the viewing would be like for someone who didn't grow up in that time if they watched the show now for the first time. I think it would hold up about as well as a drama from the late 70s could, it was well written. They got some pretty good guest stars on from time to time, but the main thing was it felt like the depicted an authentic high school experience through the lens of the basketball team. It was well written and well acted.Speaking on behalf of every middle/upper middle class white kid from the suburbs, this show meant everything. Loved all the characters on the show and was definitely drawn by Ken Reeves being from Bayside, Queens (where I grew up).I knew @zamboni was gonna have this high. I was in HS on the hoops team when this show was on, so it hits home. I don't think I've watched it since its original run, so I don't know how it holds up - but I recall it being grittier than anything else on primetime in the late '70s. At least two of the actors went on to be big-time TV directors.157 - The White Shadow
Drama
Score: 207
Average Rank: 19.3
A white former NBA professional retires from the pro game and gets a job as a basketball coach in a predominantly Black inner-city high school.
List Breakdown
simey 14
gr00vus 17
Yo Mama 44
Tremendous theme song too, with Ken falling down hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2-b0MidBjU
And loved the MTM cat dribbling the ball at the end of the closing credits: https://youtu.be/UuYwHrJMItI?t=48
The opening song is indeed killer.
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