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The top team in each conference runs the ball and plays defense (1 Viewer)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Because its not about who is the top team after week 7?
How about the other top teams?
NE...throws the ball....elite QB (maybe not playing well this year for sure)
Indy...throws the ball...up and coming QB
Denver...throws the ball...elite QB
Dallas...throws the ball.
Green Bay...throws the ball....elite QB
New Orleans...throws the ball...elite QB
How about the other top teams?
NE...throws the ball....elite QB (maybe not playing well this year for sure)
Indy...throws the ball...up and coming QB
Denver...throws the ball...elite QB
Dallas...throws the ball.
Green Bay...throws the ball....elite QB
New Orleans...throws the ball...elite QB
coolnerd
Footballguy
I don't care about the yardage ranking, both of these teams have been the best the season at playing pass defense...i.e. stopping what most of the league is trying to do.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Doubtingthomas
Footballguy
It is actually a pass rushing league.
Hooper31
Footballguy
All 32 coaches want to run the ball more. You won't find a clip of a coach saying they are headed into a season saying they plan to run the ball less. Whenever I hear that "its a passing league now" I can't help but wonder what head coaches really believe with regard to this. Sure, the league has evolved over time. I won't attempt to dispute the passing statistics, but the path to success in the NFL from the perspective of an NFL head coach starts with controlling the game on the ground.
cheese
Footballguy
I still think it's true. The teams that are good are all either have a really good QB or they are really good at pass defense.
As for the Chiefs and Seahawks having rushing yards, that usually happens when you win. Using the Chiefs as an example is particularly interesting since they're rushing for 4.1 YPC and allowing 4.8 YPC.
As for the Chiefs and Seahawks having rushing yards, that usually happens when you win. Using the Chiefs as an example is particularly interesting since they're rushing for 4.1 YPC and allowing 4.8 YPC.
The reasons coaches say this is because you need the run to set up the pass. Everything is geared towards making the passing game work. If you can't pass in today's NFL, you aren't going to win championships. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this concept.
In college, it's pass to set up the run. Spread everyone out so the back can go to work. That doesn't work with athletes at the pro level, where defense and offense have the same athleticism/talent level. In the NFL, it's run to set up the pass. Bring that 8th guy down then pass over them. Again, everything is geared towards making the passing game work, that's why it's a passing league. You have to have a run game to bring that 8th guy down so the passing game will work. If it was a running league, teams with solid defenses, below average QBs, and great run games would be winning championships. When's the last time that happened? 10 years ago? And that was before a lot of the current emphasis on QB/WR protections, so I'm not even buying the 2002 Ravens as a good current example.
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Adam Harstad
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The top team in each conference might run the ball and play defense, but the BEST team in each conference features a HoF QB passing to a very deep and talented group of pass catchers.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I don't see it being much a stretch to argue that the Saints and Broncos could be the best teams in their conferences. Saints only have one loss, to a 5-2 Pats team. Broncos also have one loss, to the same team that beat the Seahawks.
The Chiefs look good right now but they have one win against a team with a winning record, a Dallas team they beat by 1 point.
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Adam Harstad
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Top Team = the team with the best recordRaiderfan32904 said:
Best Team = team I would expect to win on a neutral field
Edit: The addition of Percy Harvin would be enough to push the Seahawks to "best team" status in my mind, over the Saints. Of course, the addition of Percy Harvin might also just be enough to push the Seahawks from run-first to pass-first team.
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Hooper31
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7
The top 2 teams in the NFL after week 7 last year didn't even get to the Super Bowl...
The top 2 teams in the NFL after week 7 last year didn't even get to the Super Bowl...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The OP is so loaded with presumptions.
The team with the best NFC record = tied right now.
Both the Hawks and Saints have 1 AFC loss, no NFC losses. The Hawks lost to the Colts on the road, no shame there. The Saints were within 5 seconds of being only the 4th team in 36 to get a win in the toughest home venue in the league, Foxborough.
The Hawks & Saints will come down in the playoffs to who gets home field advantage. Unfortunately the tiebreaker may be in SEA in a night game. Advantage for now Seattle.
The 9ers deserve consideration too and the Pack and Bears ain't shabby at all. Philly and Boys deserve dark horse status.
In the AFC, the Colts have beaten the undefeated Broncos and Hawks. Come on let's hear for them. The Pats just took out an undefeated team and are nearly impossible to beat at home, even more than the Hawks. The Chiefs are really terrific right now, they may just beat Denver in KC and take homefield advantage themselves.
All of these teams, including the Saints, are winning with defense. Let's face it, the Colts, Saints, Broncos, Pack, Bears and Pats are not doing it with the run. The Chiefs, 9ers and Hawks are.
Somewhere there is a thread on this?
The team with the best NFC record = tied right now.
Both the Hawks and Saints have 1 AFC loss, no NFC losses. The Hawks lost to the Colts on the road, no shame there. The Saints were within 5 seconds of being only the 4th team in 36 to get a win in the toughest home venue in the league, Foxborough.
The Hawks & Saints will come down in the playoffs to who gets home field advantage. Unfortunately the tiebreaker may be in SEA in a night game. Advantage for now Seattle.
The 9ers deserve consideration too and the Pack and Bears ain't shabby at all. Philly and Boys deserve dark horse status.
In the AFC, the Colts have beaten the undefeated Broncos and Hawks. Come on let's hear for them. The Pats just took out an undefeated team and are nearly impossible to beat at home, even more than the Hawks. The Chiefs are really terrific right now, they may just beat Denver in KC and take homefield advantage themselves.
All of these teams, including the Saints, are winning with defense. Let's face it, the Colts, Saints, Broncos, Pack, Bears and Pats are not doing it with the run. The Chiefs, 9ers and Hawks are.
Somewhere there is a thread on this?
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
Teams that run the ball are more likely to win.
Teams that win are more likely to run the ball.
Teams that win are more likely to run the ball.
LawFitz
Footballguy
This formula works if you can get pressure with your front four on D AND put the pedal on the gas in terms of your own passing game when needed (i.e. vs. the elite passing teams). That is exactly what SF and Bal did last year.
Sea I can see doing this.
KC not as much, but maybe Smith will prove me wrong. I just don't like his playmakers after Jamaal. We'll see the first true glimpse in a couple weeks @Den and the then again two weeks later in the rematch @KC.
In the end, well balanced teams can beat the elite passing teams if they have all of the following: good D (with a pressure DL); stout running game; clutch QB; good special teams... Need all of these to click, but when they do, the one-dimensional passing teams with suspect D's can be beaten.
Sea I can see doing this.
KC not as much, but maybe Smith will prove me wrong. I just don't like his playmakers after Jamaal. We'll see the first true glimpse in a couple weeks @Den and the then again two weeks later in the rematch @KC.
In the end, well balanced teams can beat the elite passing teams if they have all of the following: good D (with a pressure DL); stout running game; clutch QB; good special teams... Need all of these to click, but when they do, the one-dimensional passing teams with suspect D's can be beaten.
x260bm
Footballguy
Here is the actual per game numbers:
Passing
1. Denver 361yds
2. New Orleans 311yds
4. Green Bay 300yds
13. Chicago 255yds
20. New England 225yds
23. Indianapolis 215yds
25. Seattle 214yds
26. Kansas City 211yds
31. San Francisco 192yds
Rushing
2. Seattle 154yds
3. San Francisco 143yds
6. Green Bay 134yds
8. Indianapolis 129yds
12. Kansas City 120yds
13. New England 116yds
14. Chicago 112yds
16. Denver 108yds
22. New Orleans 86yds
I would rank them as such:
Passing teams
New Orleans
Denver
Balanced teams
Green Bay
Chicago
Rushing teams
San Francisco
Seattle
Indianapolis
Kansas City
New England
Passing
1. Denver 361yds
2. New Orleans 311yds
4. Green Bay 300yds
13. Chicago 255yds
20. New England 225yds
23. Indianapolis 215yds
25. Seattle 214yds
26. Kansas City 211yds
31. San Francisco 192yds
Rushing
2. Seattle 154yds
3. San Francisco 143yds
6. Green Bay 134yds
8. Indianapolis 129yds
12. Kansas City 120yds
13. New England 116yds
14. Chicago 112yds
16. Denver 108yds
22. New Orleans 86yds
I would rank them as such:
Passing teams
New Orleans
Denver
Balanced teams
Green Bay
Chicago
Rushing teams
San Francisco
Seattle
Indianapolis
Kansas City
New England
meanjoegreen
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SportsGuru311
Footballguy
The league is a passng league, but the Uptempo offenses must go. I think they hurt teams more than help them, especially on defense
Riversco
Footballguy
sharptongued1
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Adam Harstad
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A team that relies more on the pass than the run in one-score games. Call it a 55:45 ratio or higher when the game is within a touchdown either way.Hooper31 said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. Three home playoff losses in the last five years say otherwise.meanjoegreen said:
But really, the best teams are usually the toughest ones to beat in their stadium. But I will say that, as often as the teams with byes have lost home games over the last 10 years or so, if Seattle or New Orleans get home field in the NFC, they will be very difficult to beat.
Nucker101
Footballguy
Yeah, It's definitely making those teams look worse on defense than they really are. But the smartest strategy is to run it until you have a lead and then control and eat up the clock while you're leading, pretty basic/simple strategy but I see plenty of teams still running an up-tempo offense when leading and don't agree with it at all unless it's a 2 minute drill near the end of the half.SportsGuru311 said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
FYI:
The 2012 Ravens were 17th in total defense; they won the Super Bowl.
The 2011 Giants were dead last in the NFL in rushing and 27th in total defense; they won the Super Bowl.
The 2010 Packers were 24th in rushing; they won the Super Bowl.
So yeah, the days of a team having to run the ball well AND playing great defense in order to win the Super Bowl are long gone.
The 2012 Ravens were 17th in total defense; they won the Super Bowl.
The 2011 Giants were dead last in the NFL in rushing and 27th in total defense; they won the Super Bowl.
The 2010 Packers were 24th in rushing; they won the Super Bowl.
So yeah, the days of a team having to run the ball well AND playing great defense in order to win the Super Bowl are long gone.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think Seattle does. I don't think KC does. KC has the perfect formula for beating bad teams, but will usually lose to strong teams. Great defense, run game, and winning the turnover battle will keep them in games with the better teams, but in the end a QB needs to make a few plays to win those games. I have zero faith Alex will do that.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Maybe I missed a memo. Isn't NE something like 33-3 at home in the regular season in the last 4-5 years?
Who's better than that or even close?
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Warrior
Footballguy
False.Hooper31 said:
All coaches say they want to "run the ball more" because you run when your team is ahead. Nobody wants to be down 30 points going into the 4th quarter and chucking hail marys. They want to be up by 30 and running for the entire second half.
It's common sense, but this point goes right over most peoples heads.
So many clueless fantasy players draft RBs based on the coach saying they want to run the ball more, which is really just them saying they want to be winning games and in the lead.
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cheese
Footballguy
If your defense is as good as KC's (and your schedule as bad), you don't even need to run it well, just often. That should tell you they are really winning because of defense.
Rove!
Footballguy
Warrior
Footballguy
Has nothing to do with home field advantage. Has everything to do with the fact that NE has by far the highest overall win % (home OR road) over the past 4-5 years. They win everywhere.
simey
Footballguy
I would put Qwest Field, Lambaeu Field, Heinz Field, Soldier Field, Arrowhead Stadium, and the Superdome over Gillette as overall tougher venues to play at. The home venues of the Ravens, Vikings, Raiders, and Falcons are known to be tough and loud as well. Mile High as the altitude and attitude. As was mentioned though, any good team is tough to beat on their home turf. A lot of Pat fans at the Saints game left before the ending, and what a great ending it was.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Don't you know that 7 games into one season is more of a trend than the last 3 Super Bowl Winners.
sho nuff
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Well, is your goal to go 12-4 then get bounced in the playoffs? or are you trying to win a title?
