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The Trent Richardson Thread (9 Viewers)

cstu said:
Mr. Irrelevant said:
cstu said:
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Hey now! Michael Haddix strenuously objects to your artificial 550-carry cut off.

But there's plenty of shame in being #2 on this list, anyway. :D
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Not making a serious point that he is the worst RB of all-time but it is remarkable that it's even possible to find a cut-off that puts him at #1.

The worst RB would have to be Tucker Frederickson:

Fifty years ago, the Giants made Frederickson the No. 1 draft choice, picking the running back from Auburn over future Hall of Famers Joe Namath, Gale Sayers, **** Butkus and Fred Biletnikoff.
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http://nypost.com/2005/04/24/whatever-happened-to-tucker-frederickson/
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Frederickson also made the Pro Bowl his rookie year.

About half the RBs in the top 15 in that list were drafted in the 60s, it seems like a lot less shameful to have been sub-4.0 back then when pretty much anything the defense did was legal.

And it will take some time to see who will emerge as the greats from the 2012 draft but I'm guessing there will be a few the Browns missed. And while likely not a future great Tannehill would probably be a nice franchise QB right about now.

 
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When I think about the most disappointing QB/RB/WR/TE that I've seen since I started following the draft, he has to be at the top of the list. Charles Rogers and Justin Blackmon are also high up there, but their situations were a bit different. With those guys, you never really got a chance to see what they could become because they couldn't stay clean. Richardson didn't seem to have that problem and yet still busted worse than any RB in recent memory. He makes Ronnie Brown and Darren McFadden look like awesome picks in the top 10. Even Ted Ginn and DHB, two huge top 10 busts, are still in the NFL.

The interesting thing is that he actually regressed significantly during his time in the NFL. People will say he was always bad and certainly his 3.6 rookie YPC was middling at best, but he made plays that season which he's no longer capable of making. I think back to the Bengals game, which was probably the best performance of his NFL career. He scored two very nice TDs, showing a burst that his since gone missing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-cZPMB-p4

The play starting at 1:06 really stands out to me. Not only does he show good burst after the catch, but he's able to make a guy miss clean in the open field. I watched his last game with Oakland and they put him in similar situations on a couple occasions. These days he can't make that play though. He can't break a tackle 1v1. The Ravens said he was the toughest RB in the NFL after they played him in his rookie year, but in the end he was possibly the easiest. It was a swift and sharp fall from T-Rich between 2011-2013 and I don't know that I'll ever quite be able to wrap my head around why he flopped so badly.

 
EBF said:
When I think about the most disappointing QB/RB/WR/TE that I've seen since I started following the draft, he has to be at the top of the list. Charles Rogers and Justin Blackmon are also high up there, but their situations were a bit different. With those guys, you never really got a chance to see what they could become because they couldn't stay clean. Richardson didn't seem to have that problem and yet still busted worse than any RB in recent memory. He makes Ronnie Brown and Darren McFadden look like awesome picks in the top 10. Even Ted Ginn and DHB, two huge top 10 busts, are still in the NFL.

The interesting thing is that he actually regressed significantly during his time in the NFL. People will say he was always bad and certainly his 3.6 rookie YPC was middling at best, but he made plays that season which he's no longer capable of making. I think back to the Bengals game, which was probably the best performance of his NFL career. He scored two very nice TDs, showing a burst that his since gone missing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-cZPMB-p4

The play starting at 1:06 really stands out to me. Not only does he show good burst after the catch, but he's able to make a guy miss clean in the open field. I watched his last game with Oakland and they put him in similar situations on a couple occasions. These days he can't make that play though. He can't break a tackle 1v1. The Ravens said he was the toughest RB in the NFL after they played him in his rookie year, but in the end he was possibly the easiest. It was a swift and sharp fall from T-Rich between 2011-2013 and I don't know that I'll ever quite be able to wrap my head around why he flopped so badly.
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iirc, he had some sort of leg condition when he was little and as a result was always sort of bow-legged. perhaps those altered biomechanics caught up to him somehow?

 
Free agent RB Trent Richardson worked out for the Broncos on Tuesday.
However, NBC Denver reports the workout was for "future considerations only." As in, a reserve/future contract after the season is over. It's the first we've heard of T-Rich since he worked out for the Bills in early October. T-Rich's NFL future is dismal after he failed to even make it to final cuts with the Raiders last summer. Dec 15 - 2:16 PM
 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Better yet get the RB who they draft this year.  Can't see them going into the season with Buck as their starter.
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Not sure why. He played very well when he got his chance last season with only bad games against two very strong defenses in Seattle and KC and he was also playing with backup QBs down the stretch. He also catches the ball quite effectively. I guess we will see if they draft another back.

 
petekrum said:
Not sure why. He played very well when he got his chance last season with only bad games against two very strong defenses in Seattle and KC and he was also playing with backup QBs down the stretch. He also catches the ball quite effectively. I guess we will see if they draft another back.
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He's a great receiver but poor runner.  nice COP back but not a feature type guy.

 
Interestingly enough. Today I was reading my 2012 Lindy's and there was an article in there about Rashaan Salaam who basically said the same as this below about his career but long after his time had passed.

Not sure Richardson can come back but I wonder if this is the real reason.

first-round running back Trent Richardson takes personal responsibility for his failure in the NFL, admitting he "got lazy" early in his career and was "mentally exhausted" by money demands from family and friends according to Matt Zenitz of the Birmingham News.

Many observers have blamed Richardson's faiilures on "poor vision" or the wear and tear he suffered as a workhorse running back at Alabama but the reasons behind his current status as a monumental bust appear to be more personal.  "It's very easy to get lazy in the NFL — not having everything scheduled and not having everything like at Alabama where it was so structured," Richardson said. "In the NFL, everything's on your own." 

 Richardson also said he bought cars for friends and family and "somehow got stuck with paying for five funerals that were each at least $12,000."   He also revealed  that he financed week-long trips for people to places like Disney World, "And people still had the nerve to complain about the trip."   Richardson says he has finally cut out the freeloaders and resumed working hard but it may be too late to salvage what was once a promising career.

Now on the comeback trail, Richardson  has a deal in place with the Ravens that will become official once Richardson reaches certain "physical benchmarks." Richardson weighed 238 pounds at his February Ravens visit. He reportedly was down to 218 as recently as last week and seems to understand that this is absolutely his last chance to redeem himself in the NFL.

I tend to think he got content. Salaam said that you get there and as a 1st rounder, especially, you get it in your head that you have made it and by the time you realize it take hard work you are out of the league. Big Mike Williams falls into this category, as does his former teammates Rogers and Williams. Eddie Lacy is currently fitting that mold. Then you see a guy like Antonio Brown who has Jerry Rice like drive but is far from your physical specimen at WR.

 
I drafted him in 2 dynasty leagues when he was a "sure thing, stud, rookie RB". Dropped him last year when I couldn't carry his dead weight anymore. Just re-picked him up for free on the wire in both leagues again. What the heck. I'll hold him til roster cut down in preseason. Maybe something, somehow clicks for this guy. Long shot but why not at that price. 

 
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joey said:
I drafted him in 2 dynasty leagues when he was a "sure thing, stud, rookie RB". Dropped him last year when I couldn't carry his dead weight anymore. Just re-picked him up for free on the wire in both leagues again. What the heck. I'll hold him til roster cut down in preseason. Maybe something, somehow clicks for this guy. Long shot but why not at that price. 
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Long shot is way underselling it. He's literally been the worst RB in the NFL the past 3 years. Even the comparisons to someone like Thomas Jones doesn't fit because he at least had a solid year on his second team in year 4. Richardson still hasn't even showed anything above average.

If you have space, worth seeing training camp news but his fitness (lost weight) wasn't really the biggest issue, it was his total lack of vision. 

 
stbugs said:
it was his total lack of vision. 
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agreed.  so is it that scouts really just don't have a clue and everyone plays the guessing game with vision or is it incredible hard to judge whether someone truly has it of not?  because there was a lot of rave his rookie year about how awesome his vision was.

 
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beef said:
agreed.  so is it that scouts really just don't have a clue and everyone plays the guessing game with vision or is it incredible hard to judge whether someone truly has it of not?  because all the rave his rookie year was how awesome his vision was.
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See, I never saw that his rookie year. He was great in FF due to volume. That was a really good OL in Cleveland and he was still well under 4ypc. They dumped him the beginning of next year. I think it was an Alabama OL that his lack of vision. No scout can really see that because those teams had so much talent and there is no way to see his vision problem when the OL overmatched the opponents. Maybe there were some that did and maybe Trent was just another blown pick by Cleveland. There were a ton of those outside of Joe Thomas the past few years. 

 
stbugs said:
it was his total lack of vision. 
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And it was his total lack of dedication and drive. 

Everyone in the NFL is physically gifted to some extend. It's the intangibles (dedication, drive and vision as well) that separate the great from the good. Or in this case, the great from the total bust. 

 
georg013 said:
I'm back on the wagon. I don't care if it doesn't have wheels. Going to be fun. Who is with me???
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Might just be you and me. Hope you didn't pay more than $0 for him. At that price he's worth a slot at the end of the bench until August. 

 
Meh....I've got him stashed on the tail end of a couple of deep rosters.

 
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FF Ninja said:
Basically looks like he's flexing in one picture and not flexing in the other. Kind of like those diet pill ads where they have the people try to look fat and pasty, then they give them a tan, optimal lighting, and tell them to flex.
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Are those supposed to be "before" and "after" pictures, because they both look "after".

He doesn't look fat in that first picture like he did when he last played. He doesn't look 240 to me in it. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought they were both recent pictures - although I suppose you may be right because why would they have both if not?

 
He is essentially an emergency klaxon, if he gets into the game you know #### has gone terribly wrong for the Ravens and it's time to head for the hills. 

 
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Are those supposed to be "before" and "after" pictures, because they both look "after".

He doesn't look fat in that first picture like he did when he last played. He doesn't look 240 to me in it. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought they were both recent pictures - although I suppose you may be right because why would they have both if not?
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Yeah, I agree they both look about the same weight to me, and that was my initial thought, but I had to assume the side-by-side was intended to display the supposed drastic change. But really, a ~10% shift in body weight isn't going to be crazy noticeable.

 
Trent Richardson has been sitting out OTAs with a hamstring injury.
It's probably not a serious issue, but any missed time undermines Richardson's long-shot 53-man roster bid. Richardson could be an early camp cut if he's not 100 percent.

 
 
Source: Jamison Hensley on Twitter

 
I kind of want to say never say never and remember Thomas Jones.

But Jones at least showed promise with his second team (Bucs) before moving on to some productive years with the Bears later in his career. Richardson has bombed out for 3 teams already and if he doesn't make the Ravens team it will be a fourth. 

Rebound seems unlikely. Jones showed good ability once he was healthy. Richardson when healthy didn't seem to be able to read his blocking or defenses well.

 
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Biabreakable said:
I kind of want to say never say never and remember Thomas Jones.

But Jones at least showed promise with his second team (Bucs) before moving on to some productive years with the Bears later in his career. Richardson has bombed out for 3 teams already and if he doesn't make the Ravens team it will be a fourth. 

Rebound seems unlikely. Jones showed good ability once he was healthy. Richardson when healthy didn't seem to be able to read his blocking or defenses well.
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At this point he'd be lucky to become Ron Dayne. 

 
I am of the crowd that has seen TRich look completely lost in the NFL. I've also rostered the aforementioned Thomas Jones as well as Cedric Benson. Never say never. Jerome Bettis and Marshall Faulk you may have bet against at certain times in their young careers too. Obviously that's the extreme on the spectrum but it takes  more than natural talent to survive in the NFL. Baltimore is as open a race as any and I've bought cheap in all my deep dynasty leagues. Low risk, moderate to high reward... A favorite investment of mine. 

 
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I am of the crowd that has seen TRich look completely lost in the NFL. I've also rostered the aforementioned Thomas Jones as well as Cedric Benson. Never say never. Jerome Bettis and Marshall Faulk you may have bet against at certain times in their young careers too. Obviously that's the extreme on the spectrum but it takes  more than natural talent to survive in the NFL. Baltimore is as open a race as any and I've bought cheap in all my deep dynasty leagues. Low risk, moderate to high reward... A favorite investment of mine. 
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Would you have?  Really?  Not sure I agree there.

ETA: Actually I absolutely disagree.

 
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Chaka said:
Would you have?  Really?  Not sure I agree there.

ETA: Actually I absolutely disagree.
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What, you wouldn't have bet against them during year 3 when they didn't even get 700 yards on the ground?  They only had two 1k seasons before! 

 
FUBAR said:
What, you wouldn't have bet against them during year 3 when they didn't even get 700 yards on the ground?  They only had two 1k seasons before! 
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Which is two more 1k seasons than RIchardson has ever had.  They both put up big years their first two years in the league, far better than anything Richardson did in year one (and crushed his terrible year two) so while they may have come at a slight discount in year four, after a down year three, it is not nearly on the same level as what is going on with Richardson, who has never looked special, is working on his fourth NFL team and was out of the game entirely last year.  He isn't coming at a discount, or even a part of a fire sale, he's something you get for free while dumpster diving.

 
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Would you have?  Really?  Not sure I agree there.

ETA: Actually I absolutely disagree.
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That's fine. I don't believe you. When Faulk went from 4.1 to 3.7 to 3.0 YPC his first 3 seasons I'm sure people would have easily considered trading him for way below his peak value. Similar with Bettis after his rookie year he went from 4.9 to 3.2 to 3.5 and a lot less usage. Now I just look at it from a purely statistical perspective and don't have all the news and injuries and rumors that go with it but I have no doubts that people sold those two short.

Now, TRich is a different situation having failed with 3 chances now BUT he's also an easy target at this point. I'd like to edit a previous statement of mine and say in leagues with huge rosters he holds zero risk and yet is still only 24 and once regarded highly enough to garner the 3rd overall pick and then another 1st in a trade for his services. It will probably take a hell of a lot more then dropping 20 lbs to have him be a success but it's a start and at least a sign he's motivated to do something and if he fails again oh well no harm done at this point.

 
Bojang0301 said:
That's fine. I don't believe you. When Faulk went from 4.1 to 3.7 to 3.0 YPC his first 3 seasons I'm sure people would have easily considered trading him for way below his peak value. Similar with Bettis after his rookie year he went from 4.9 to 3.2 to 3.5 and a lot less usage. Now I just look at it from a purely statistical perspective and don't have all the news and injuries and rumors that go with it but I have no doubts that people sold those two short.

Now, TRich is a different situation having failed with 3 chances now BUT he's also an easy target at this point. I'd like to edit a previous statement of mine and say in leagues with huge rosters he holds zero risk and yet is still only 24 and once regarded highly enough to garner the 3rd overall pick and then another 1st in a trade for his services. It will probably take a hell of a lot more then dropping 20 lbs to have him be a success but it's a start and at least a sign he's motivated to do something and if he fails again oh well no harm done at this point.
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Again, there is a huge (YUUUUUUUUGE) difference between getting Faulk/Bettis at a discount in year four (which I acknowledge happened) and jumping into the Trent Richardson dumpster fire.

Sure, he's a zero cost option to churn at the end of your bench, and for that reason probably worth grabbing, but he also is more likely to be a wasted roster spot than anything else.

But you never know, so why not?

 
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