The Trent Richardson Thread (5 Viewers)

[matttyl]

If T Rich were to be included in with all the upcoming 2014 rookies, would he still be a top 5 rookie pick? Has he really fallen that far?!

He wouldn't be a 1st round pick by me. He certainly has his believers though.

You can name 10 other rookies coming out you'd rather have than T Rich? Really?

You'd pick Richardso? Really?

Likely around 5th or 6th, sure. There are a few WRs I'd likely rather have, and maybe the top rookie RB coming out if he ends up in a good situation, but after that it's likely a crap shoot, which is jut what you'd likely get from T Rich in 2015.

 

[Jewell]

There are a few WRs I'd likely rather have, and maybe the top rookie RB coming out if he ends up in a good situation, but after that it's likely a crap shoot, which is jut what you'd likely get from T Rich in 2015.

Drop "shoot" and I'll agree the remainder is what you're likely to get from Richardson in 2015.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

If T Rich were to be included in with all the upcoming 2014 rookies, would he still be a top 5 rookie pick? Has he really fallen that far?!

He wouldn't be a 1st round pick by me. He certainly has his believers though.

You can name 10 other rookies coming out you'd rather have than T Rich? Really?

You'd pick Richardso? Really?

Likely around 5th or 6th, sure. There are a few WRs I'd likely rather have, and maybe the top rookie RB coming out if he ends up in a good situation, but after that it's likely a crap shoot, which is jut what you'd likely get from T Rich in 2015.

Richardson isn't a crap shoot, but minus the shoot part. It's like you didn't watch football this year.

 

[matttyl]

If T Rich were to be included in with all the upcoming 2014 rookies, would he still be a top 5 rookie pick? Has he really fallen that far?!

He wouldn't be a 1st round pick by me. He certainly has his believers though.

You can name 10 other rookies coming out you'd rather have than T Rich? Really?

You'd pick Richardso? Really?

Likely around 5th or 6th, sure. There are a few WRs I'd likely rather have, and maybe the top rookie RB coming out if he ends up in a good situation, but after that it's likely a crap shoot, which is jut what you'd likely get from T Rich in 2015.

Richardson isn't a crap shoot, but minus the shoot part. It's like you didn't watch football this year.

I get about enough time to watch my Skins, some Ravens and some Packers - so true I haven't seen as much Richardson as I would have liked. That said, maybe I was a bit high with 5th or 6th. I can see taking Watkins and Lee, maybe Mike Evans, and maybe 2 of RBs Gordon, Carey, Sankey, and Seastrunk if they end up in good spots (which we don't yet know). After that, I'm not sure there are any rookies coming out that I'd take over T Rich.

 

[PatsWillWin]

If T Rich were to be included in with all the upcoming 2014 rookies, would he still be a top 5 rookie pick? Has he really fallen that far?!

He wouldn't be a 1st round pick by me. He certainly has his believers though.

You can name 10 other rookies coming out you'd rather have than T Rich? Really?

I don't follow college football and couldn't even name the top 10 rookies of this class, but I wouldn't take Richardson in the first round.

 

[cstu]

If T Rich were to be included in with all the upcoming 2014 rookies, would he still be a top 5 rookie pick? Has he really fallen that far?!

He wouldn't be a 1st round pick by me. He certainly has his believers though.

You can name 10 other rookies coming out you'd rather have than T Rich? Really?

At least those 10 other rookies have yet to show 2 straight years of poor production on two different teams. I'd take my chances somewhere else before Trich.

Right. I've seen enough of him that *maybe* he someday turns into a RB2 type back but RB's with this much opportunity rarely turn their careers around.

73 RB's have had 400+ carries in their first two seasons - Trent is dead last in YPC at 3.35.

 

[ImTheScientist]

If T Rich were to be included in with all the upcoming 2014 rookies, would he still be a top 5 rookie pick? Has he really fallen that far?!

He wouldn't be a 1st round pick by me. He certainly has his believers though.

You can name 10 other rookies coming out you'd rather have than T Rich? Really?

Why would you want him? He has now shown in two cities he isn't an NFL caliber back. If he wasn't a 1st round pick and people didn't give up picks to get him he would be cut by most teams or riding the pine as a 3rd/4th string guy.

 

[ImTheScientist]

406 1,361 3.4 Remove the name and thats awful.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'd like to compare him to Rudi Johnson, but that's an insult to Rudi Johnson.

 

[new-guru]

What's the dynasty value? Anyone trading in a dynast? I keep getting terribly low offers.

For instance

Wilson rb giants

T Richardson

For

Cruz

Franklin.

Have these supposed studs. Fallen so far?

I don't want help on the trade offer. Just wondering perspective value in dynasty of Richardson or Wilson.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Are we still

Trent Richardson in here?

Oh, never mind,

carry on...

 

[new-guru]

Are we still

Trent Richardson in here?

Oh, never mind,

carry on...

Your saying Richardson career is done?

 

[new-guru]

Are we still

Trent Richardson in here?

Oh, never mind,

carry on...

Your saying Richardson career is done?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What's the dynasty value?

 

[Shutout]

I don't own TRICH in any league but I sometimes read through this thread just to remind myself of the perils of falling too much for any one player who hasn't demonstrated on the field something to justify it.

The price I saw this guy paid for can probably never be recaptured. Even if he came back and had 4-5 years like THomas Jones or Ced Ben did when they resurged, the owners are already in the hole. They paid for ADP/Larry Johnson in his prime kind of difference-making production and they will never get it.

In all reality, with just a subtle shift here or there with the COlts (like getting rid of Pep Hamilton and beginning to rely on Luck), this guy could have a Beanie Wells type of career.

 

[Ladsud]

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/407967072207921152

Needs contacts maybe

 

[pizzatyme]

I've been to several games this year and here is what I've seen:

A- he is thinking too much

B- this causes him to be a half step slow to the hole

C- he is trying to hard to make a big play and his jump cut brings him to a stop and he never gets restarted

I think the Colts need to tell him to drop 20 lbs in the off-season. He needs more 1-cut plays. He needs more flares and screens.

If he does all of these things, I think he'll compliment Donald Brown nicely going forward.

 

[McGarnicle]

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/407967072207921152

Needs contacts maybe

Pretty amazing, his lack of big plays. You almost have to be trying not to find a lane.

 

[Routilla]

I don't own TRICH in any league but I sometimes read through this thread just to remind myself of the perils of falling too much for any one player who hasn't demonstrated on the field something to justify it.

The price I saw this guy paid for can probably never be recaptured. Even if he came back and had 4-5 years like THomas Jones or Ced Ben did when they resurged, the owners are already in the hole. They paid for ADP/Larry Johnson in his prime kind of difference-making production and they will never get it.

In all reality, with just a subtle shift here or there with the COlts (like getting rid of Pep Hamilton and beginning to rely on Luck), this guy could have a Beanie Wells type of career.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Concept Coop]

We've reached the point where the Colts can't rely on him being the guy going into next season. They can still like him and expect some kind of bounce back, but he'll have other options to contend with, and I don't think he'll be given any kind of leg up until he earns it on the field.

 

[McGarnicle]

We've reached the point where the Colts can't rely on him being the guy going into next season. They can still like him and expect some kind of bounce back, but he'll have other options to contend with, and I don't think he'll be given any kind of leg up until he earns it on the field.

Comes down to whether he comes into camp lighter and ripped, with a chip on his shoulder, or brings whatever it was he brought this year. A lot of the running back position is simply desire, running angry and refusing to fail. He didn't seem to have any sense of urgency this year, just looked completely flat. It is troubling that an athlete would allow that to happen.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been to several games this year and here is what I've seen:

A- he is thinking too much

B- this causes him to be a half step slow to the hole

C- he is trying to hard to make a big play and his jump cut brings him to a stop and he never gets restarted

I think the Colts need to tell him to drop 20 lbs in the off-season. He needs more 1-cut plays. He needs more flares and screens.

If he does all of these things, I think he'll compliment Donald Brown nicely going forward.

I was getting already to load up a douchey post about how you're a homer, then I got to the bolded. A Colts fan more or less saying that if he can improve, he'll compliment Donald Brown is, sadly, about where we are with Trent.

If EBF or anyone else is still a believer, they really don't have an excuse to not own him in every dynasty league they're in. What would he cost? A 2nd? Golden Tate? If you believe in him, great time to back it up, and go out and get him.

 

[McGarnicle]

We've reached the point where the Colts can't rely on him being the guy going into next season. They can still like him and expect some kind of bounce back, but he'll have other options to contend with, and I don't think he'll be given any kind of leg up until he earns it on the field.

Comes down to whether he comes into camp lighter and ripped, with a chip on his shoulder, or brings whatever it was he brought this year. A lot of the running back position is simply desire, running angry and refusing to fail. He didn't seem to have any sense of urgency this year, just looked completely flat. It is troubling that an athlete would allow that to happen.

If we start hearing from beat writers during the off-season and it brings up his value I'm SELLING.

Probably not a bad idea if you can get good value. I'm open to the idea that he can still be a productive NFL back though. A bounce back year would not surprise me at all.

 

[new-guru]

What kind of offers?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

We've reached the point where the Colts can't rely on him being the guy going into next season. They can still like him and expect some kind of bounce back, but he'll have other options to contend with, and I don't think he'll be given any kind of leg up until he earns it on the field.

Comes down to whether he comes into camp lighter and ripped, with a chip on his shoulder, or brings whatever it was he brought this year. A lot of the running back position is simply desire, running angry and refusing to fail. He didn't seem to have any sense of urgency this year, just looked completely flat. It is troubling that an athlete would allow that to happen.

If we start hearing from beat writers during the off-season and it brings up his value I'm SELLING.

Probably not a bad idea if you can get good value. I'm open to the idea that he can still be a productive NFL back though. A bounce back year would not surprise me at all.

That's the problem. Getting good value. I gave up quite a bit to acquire him in one league and then traded up for the #1 pick in another. I have been fielding offers for him, but none were even remotely close to breaking even on what it took to get him

The price paid to acquire really shouldn't matter when assessing any inbound offers for any player. Those are sunk costs. If you think the package you're receiving is worth more than what you're giving up, take it. You're flat out not going to get 1st round startup value back out of Richardson at this point, but you can probably still get something decent (and the Cruz offer above more than qualifies IMO) as of right now. If he's still looking like garbage and backing up Donald Brown a few weeks into next year, then he'll be worth absolutely nothing. So if you're done, swallow some pride and move on for less than you invested.

 

[Concept Coop]

We've reached the point where the Colts can't rely on him being the guy going into next season. They can still like him and expect some kind of bounce back, but he'll have other options to contend with, and I don't think he'll be given any kind of leg up until he earns it on the field.

Comes down to whether he comes into camp lighter and ripped, with a chip on his shoulder, or brings whatever it was he brought this year. A lot of the running back position is simply desire, running angry and refusing to fail. He didn't seem to have any sense of urgency this year, just looked completely flat. It is troubling that an athlete would allow that to happen.

I think we're past that. The roster move(s) will come before camp anyway. They've admitted their mistake (benched him) and wouldn't make the deal today. He'll have to earn his touches now.

 

[Jrodicus]

Donald Brown's stats through the first 51:52 of the game: 8 carries, 8 yards.

With a 1 point lead, and just over 8 minutes left in the game, the Colts brought in their run personnel. They brought in extra people to block - McGlynn, Reitz (both G), Havili (FB)...heck, even a LB (Harvey) reported as eligible during that drive. Anybody who could block was put in the game.

TRich did get a carry once they got on the 4 yard line (stuffed for no gain) with both Reitz and Harvey being brought in. Next play, McGlynn is also brought in, and Brown punches it in.

During that drive, Brown's line was: 6, 46, 1 TD

So the run game sucks for 3 1/2 quarters, during which Brown goes for 1 YPC on 8 carries while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries. There's one decent drive at the end of the game, with extra blockers, and Brown finishes with a far superior 3.9 YPC compared to TRich's 3.8.

The same thing happened when the Colts/Titans played the first time. The run game sucked for 3 1/2 quarters, then the Colts brought in extra blockers, and the run game started working. In both games Brown was the main back in the 4th quarter; the difference was that this time Brown was the guy getting the carries earlier in the game and getting stuffed.

TRich may very well suck next year, or for the rest of his career. Who knows. But what I do know is that the Colts are a mess right now, and it's pretty silly to think that the book on TRich is complete.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

 

[McGarnicle]

We've reached the point where the Colts can't rely on him being the guy going into next season. They can still like him and expect some kind of bounce back, but he'll have other options to contend with, and I don't think he'll be given any kind of leg up until he earns it on the field.

Comes down to whether he comes into camp lighter and ripped, with a chip on his shoulder, or brings whatever it was he brought this year. A lot of the running back position is simply desire, running angry and refusing to fail. He didn't seem to have any sense of urgency this year, just looked completely flat. It is troubling that an athlete would allow that to happen.

I think we're past that. The roster move(s) will come before camp anyway. They've admitted their mistake (benched him) and wouldn't make the deal today. He'll have to earn his touches now.

My point is that he could come into next season with a new mindset and rededicate himself, then look like a different back in camp and win the job. I'm not betting on it and I wouldn't spend anything better than a 7th rounder in redraft and even then he'd have to look like ADP in preseason for me to touch him at all; I'm saying that happening would not shock me.In dynasty I think you have to hold on to him unless some miracle offer comes your way.

 

[PatsWillWin]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

 

[McGarnicle]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

Agree completely. Just saying how small things sway people's opinions. If Luck doesn't scramble for 20+ yard on 3rd down to continue the drive, Brown finished with like 2.3 YPC for the game.

I wouldn't say I'm pro-TRich as much as I just am not ANTI-TRich. I've bought him in a number of dynasty leagues because the price is falling. I do wish I would've waited a few more weeks in a couple leagues since the price has kept plummeting, but I'm fine with picking him up cheaply if people are having a fire sale.

 

[new-guru]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

Agree completely. Just saying how small things sway people's opinions. If Luck doesn't scramble for 20+ yard on 3rd down to continue the drive, Brown finished with like 2.3 YPC for the game.

I wouldn't say I'm pro-TRich as much as I just am not ANTI-TRich. I've bought him in a number of dynasty leagues because the price is falling. I do wish I would've waited a few more weeks in a couple leagues since the price has kept plummeting, but I'm fine with picking him up cheaply if people are having a fire sale.

So what have u been giving up for him? What's His current value if u were a seller??

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on against the Jags earlier in the year? The single play that accounts for like 14% of Brown's rushing yards for the season?

Yup that's the one.

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

Agree completely. Just saying how small things sway people's opinions. If Luck doesn't scramble for 20+ yard on 3rd down to continue the drive, Brown finished with like 2.3 YPC for the game.

I wouldn't say I'm pro-TRich as much as I just am not ANTI-TRich. I've bought him in a number of dynasty leagues because the price is falling. I do wish I would've waited a few more weeks in a couple leagues since the price has kept plummeting, but I'm fine with picking him up cheaply if people are having a fire sale.

So what have u been giving up for him? What's His current value if u were a seller??

I'm a buy low, sell high kind of guy. I wouldn't be selling now, because nothing has happened to increase his value in the last few weeks since I've starting buying. The best I could do right now is move laterally, which serves no real point, and I doubt I'd get a guy with as much upside in return.

I really try not to buy high on people, because it usually gets me in trouble (David Wilson, for example). If I had paid a lot for him 6 months ago, I would be upset, but I don't know if I'd be ready to bail yet (still sitting on Wilson where I have him). I did drop him in my redraft leagues, though.

As far as the trades in my dynasty leagues...

about a month ago:

Gave: Forte, Rueben Randle

Got: Vereen, TRich, early 2nd in 2014 draft

Vereen was coming off injury and TRich's value was already starting to fall. I like Forte, but he's not getting any younger. I figured I'd get better value out of him now, to a team contending, than what I'd be able to get in the offseason. Vereen has been doing well, the 2nd turned out the be the 2.02...and, well, the Colts suck. Still feel okay about the trade. I traded Rice + for Forte ++++ in the offseason of this league, and was laughed at at the time.

2 weeks ago;

Gave: 2014 1st (late)

Got: TRich

My starting RB's in this league have been pathetic, but was loaded at WR (Calvin, Julio, Gordon, Decker, Blackmon, Crabtree, Patterson). I really doubt I'd be able to get a RB in the late part of the 1st round that has TRich's upside.

 

[cstu]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on against the Jags earlier in the year? The single play that accounts for like 14% of Brown's rushing yards for the season?

Yup that's the one.

No one is saying Brown is good either.

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on against the Jags earlier in the year? The single play that accounts for like 14% of Brown's rushing yards for the season?

Yup that's the one.

No one is saying Brown is good either.

I don't think anyone could be good at RB on that team right now.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on against the Jags earlier in the year? The single play that accounts for like 14% of Brown's rushing yards for the season?

Yup that's the one.

No one is saying Brown is good either.

I don't think anyone could be good at RB on that team right now.

What about last year? Was Trent good then?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on

who are you trying to make a case for?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

Agree completely. Just saying how small things sway people's opinions. If Luck doesn't scramble for 20+ yard on 3rd down to continue the drive, Brown finished with like 2.3 YPC for the game.

I wouldn't say I'm pro-TRich as much as I just am not ANTI-TRich. I've bought him in a number of dynasty leagues because the price is falling. I do wish I would've waited a few more weeks in a couple leagues since the price has kept plummeting, but I'm fine with picking him up cheaply if people are having a fire sale.

So what have u been giving up for him? What's His current value if u were a seller??

I'm a buy low, sell high kind of guy. I wouldn't be selling now, because nothing has happened to increase his value in the last few weeks since I've starting buying. The best I could do right now is move laterally, which serves no real point, and I doubt I'd get a guy with as much upside in return.

I really try not to buy high on people, because it usually gets me in trouble (David Wilson, for example). If I had paid a lot for him 6 months ago, I would be upset, but I don't know if I'd be ready to bail yet (still sitting on Wilson where I have him). I did drop him in my redraft leagues, though.

As far as the trades in my dynasty leagues...

about a month ago:

Gave: Forte, Rueben Randle

Got: Vereen, TRich, early 2nd in 2014 draft

Vereen was coming off injury and TRich's value was already starting to fall. I like Forte, but he's not getting any younger. I figured I'd get better value out of him now, to a team contending, than what I'd be able to get in the offseason. Vereen has been doing well, the 2nd turned out the be the 2.02...and, well, the Colts suck. Still feel okay about the trade. I traded Rice + for Forte ++++ in the offseason of this league, and was laughed at at the time.

2 weeks ago;

Gave: 2014 1st (late)

Got: TRich

My starting RB's in this league have been pathetic, but was loaded at WR (Calvin, Julio, Gordon, Decker, Blackmon, Crabtree, Patterson). I really doubt I'd be able to get a RB in the late part of the 1st round that has TRich's upside.

I'm not sure either offer is really buying low (based on the market value). They could both work out for you if Trent can recover, but even considering a realistic best case scenario for Trent at this point they would probably only be considered fair deals in hindsight. Maybe if the second rounder hits in the first one, you'd be able to claim a win if Trent returns to at least 2012 form.

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

Agree completely. Just saying how small things sway people's opinions. If Luck doesn't scramble for 20+ yard on 3rd down to continue the drive, Brown finished with like 2.3 YPC for the game.

I wouldn't say I'm pro-TRich as much as I just am not ANTI-TRich. I've bought him in a number of dynasty leagues because the price is falling. I do wish I would've waited a few more weeks in a couple leagues since the price has kept plummeting, but I'm fine with picking him up cheaply if people are having a fire sale.

So what have u been giving up for him? What's His current value if u were a seller??

I'm a buy low, sell high kind of guy. I wouldn't be selling now, because nothing has happened to increase his value in the last few weeks since I've starting buying. The best I could do right now is move laterally, which serves no real point, and I doubt I'd get a guy with as much upside in return.

I really try not to buy high on people, because it usually gets me in trouble (David Wilson, for example). If I had paid a lot for him 6 months ago, I would be upset, but I don't know if I'd be ready to bail yet (still sitting on Wilson where I have him). I did drop him in my redraft leagues, though.

As far as the trades in my dynasty leagues...

about a month ago:

Gave: Forte, Rueben Randle

Got: Vereen, TRich, early 2nd in 2014 draft

Vereen was coming off injury and TRich's value was already starting to fall. I like Forte, but he's not getting any younger. I figured I'd get better value out of him now, to a team contending, than what I'd be able to get in the offseason. Vereen has been doing well, the 2nd turned out the be the 2.02...and, well, the Colts suck. Still feel okay about the trade. I traded Rice + for Forte ++++ in the offseason of this league, and was laughed at at the time.

2 weeks ago;

Gave: 2014 1st (late)

Got: TRich

My starting RB's in this league have been pathetic, but was loaded at WR (Calvin, Julio, Gordon, Decker, Blackmon, Crabtree, Patterson). I really doubt I'd be able to get a RB in the late part of the 1st round that has TRich's upside.

I'm not sure either offer is really buying low (based on the market value). They could both work out for you if Trent can recover, but even considering a realistic best case scenario for Trent at this point they would probably only be considered fair deals in hindsight. Maybe if the second rounder hits in the first one, you'd be able to claim a win if Trent returns to at least 2012 form.

Buy low as in the market price has dropped substantially over the last 6 months, not buy below the current market price (which is hard to do since there is no CBOT for dynasty football).

6 months ago, I couldn't have touched him for those deals.

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on against the Jags earlier in the year? The single play that accounts for like 14% of Brown's rushing yards for the season?

Yup that's the one.

No one is saying Brown is good either.

I don't think anyone could be good at RB on that team right now.

What about last year? Was Trent good then?

He was producing. It was largely due to volumn, but he was putting up numbers. "Good" for fantasy teams? Yes. "Good" as a player? Hard to tell. There's a lot of other factors involved. A lot of people have said over the past few years that Foster isn't that "good" and has just benefited from the offense he's in. Might be true, might not...but at the end of the day, all that I really care about is if the guy puts up points.

 

[Jrodicus]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on

who are you trying to make a case for?

I'm making the case that the Colts offense is a mess, and that people are making rash judgements and bold claims based on recent events and small sample sizes.

TRich may end up being a bust, he may not. Barring something catastrophic, we still have some time to let things play out.

Crabtree is great, then he sucks, then he's great again. Dez is a stud, Dez is overrated, Dez is the best behind Calvin, Dez is overrated. Mathews is good, Mathews sucks, Mathews is great, Mathews sucks, Mathews is good.

There's a number of players whose perceived value goes all over the place from year to year. TRich's dynasty value was probably too high coming into this season; it might be too low right now.

 

[new-guru]

I did go ahead and trade Richardson for Cruz. For what it's worth. I already has Charles Martin and lynch. But very little help at wr and I am in the playoffs. Very competitive dynasty league.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I did go ahead and trade Richardson for Cruz. For what it's worth. I already has Charles Martin and lynch. But very little help at wr and I am in the playoffs. Very competitive dynasty league.

doesn't sound like it

 

[FUBAR]

I missed the game, did Trent shine again?

I'm sure if you asked him, he'd say so. Sometimes (all the time) his stellar play doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

Things can certainly change quickly in the NFL and maybe it will but at this point I would be absolutely sick if I owned him in dynasty given the price it probably took to get him.

easily goes down as my worst trade made in the last two years, maybe ever.

I gave Dez Bryant and my 2013 1st for the 2012 1.01 (Trent) and a late pick. Had I kept the pick I likely would have taken Aaron Dobson.

 

[FUBAR]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on

who are you trying to make a case for?

I'm making the case that the Colts offense is a mess, and that people are making rash judgements and bold claims based on recent events and small sample sizes.

TRich may end up being a bust, he may not. Barring something catastrophic, we still have some time to let things play out.

Crabtree is great, then he sucks, then he's great again. Dez is a stud, Dez is overrated, Dez is the best behind Calvin, Dez is overrated. Mathews is good, Mathews sucks, Mathews is great, Mathews sucks, Mathews is good.

There's a number of players whose perceived value goes all over the place from year to year. TRich's dynasty value was probably too high coming into this season; it might be too low right now.

I agree with all of this, but it's frustrating to see Donald Brown do better than this supposed stud.

I'm holding, partly (maybe mostly) because of the sunk-cost fallacy, but I expect nothing from him for another year.

 

[stbugs]

while TRich is 4.75 YPC on his 4 carries.

YPC is not a great stat even when you're not talking about...4 carries.

I'm glad someone checked in to weigh in on the pro-Trent side though, was getting dull in here.

especially when one of those 4 carries is an 11 yd run on 3rd and 20

You mean the draw play? The same play that Brown had his 50 yard run on

who are you trying to make a case for?

Good point. One guy gets half the yardage for a first down, i.e. once the D realized it wasn't a pass, he still didn't get close to a first. Brown is able to get past the defense on the same play and that is supposed to make it seem like a negative on Brown? In 406 career carries, Trent hasn't come close to a 50 yard run and Brown got the 50 because it was a draw play, not because he is just more explosive.

Also, mentioning that Brown is 6-46-1TD on one drive as a sign that the Colts suddenly got better blocking and that is Trent's issue is silly. Trent has eclipsed that one drive in 4 games this year with a ceiling of 60 yards and needed 13, 18, 18 and 20 carries. In Trent's 60 yard game on 20 carries, Brown had more yards in 3 carries.

I don't think Brown is a monster, but in small samples, he has outdone what Richardson has done with a ton of opportunities.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I missed the game, did Trent shine again?

I'm sure if you asked him, he'd say so. Sometimes (all the time) his stellar play doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

Things can certainly change quickly in the NFL and maybe it will but at this point I would be absolutely sick if I owned him in dynasty given the price it probably took to get him.

easily goes down as my worst trade made in the last two years, maybe ever.

I gave Dez Bryant and my 2013 1st for the 2012 1.01 (Trent) and a late pick. Had I kept the pick I likely would have taken Aaron Dobson.

I offered Julio Jones before the season started and was rejected.