Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
leave him on there a few more weeks -- he'll get another one
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The Trent Richardson Thread (2 Viewers)
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I don't dismiss too many players, especially ones given good opportunities but Trent Richardson is straight steaming garbage. If some desperate team offered me anything semi decent for him I would take it and laugh all the way to the bank.
Edit to add: Indy is still doing the right thing with Bradshaw given his long list of past injuries. I can't imagine it won't be long until Herron or anyone who can run straight doesn't get a chance at the bulk carry role.
Edit to add: Indy is still doing the right thing with Bradshaw given his long list of past injuries. I can't imagine it won't be long until Herron or anyone who can run straight doesn't get a chance at the bulk carry role.
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
Ryan Leaf wants to know too!
njherdfan
Footballguy
I actually thought he looked better last night than I'd seen this season. He had a couple runs where he showed even a tiny bit of patience instead of sprinting directly into his linemen. Of course, he's still awful, but this made me realize how awful he'd been in the weeks before, that his performance last night made me think that he was improving.
RBM
Footballguy
If you watched him at Alabama you saw some gigantic holes opened up by an awesome line. He has no clue what to do without them. That explains the dancing and juking constantly. If the guy just took the ball and exploded he'd probably be much better.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't usually say much about TRICH anymore, ever since the entire summer of being blasted for daring to say I didn't think he and Norv would equate to the greatest living dynasty rb prospect of the generation.
However, he is just making me mad in real life now because I watch what is otherwise a very entertaining COlts offense and he does nothing but set them back. They are rolling..THey are hitting 5-8 yard runs. They are passing here. They are passing there. And then they plop this turd out there to run freaking parallel with the line and get whipped back for 1-2 yards. WHY????
Move on from this. I would rather see Luck QB sneak 2 yards every play than watch Richardson run 10 to get 2.
However, he is just making me mad in real life now because I watch what is otherwise a very entertaining COlts offense and he does nothing but set them back. They are rolling..THey are hitting 5-8 yard runs. They are passing here. They are passing there. And then they plop this turd out there to run freaking parallel with the line and get whipped back for 1-2 yards. WHY????
Move on from this. I would rather see Luck QB sneak 2 yards every play than watch Richardson run 10 to get 2.
football_genus
Footballguy
When you watch him run, you still see the physical talent. He's just lacking good decision-making at the pro level.
I think he's a bad NFL running back right now (as I've stated in this thread), but I do think the light could go on at any moment. If that happens, he could still be very good.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Hell no. I'm convinced this guy only plays because of what Indy traded away for him. He is beyond a plodder. He's slower than most fullbacks yet he tries to pick his way through traffic as if he were Barry Sanders. Richardson should not be drawing a paycheck in the NFL. Massive bust.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
So, in conclusion -- he sux?
thekidd2009
Footballguy
It's actually funny to see how stubborn the colts are with continuing to put Richardson out there even though the guy looks like he's in slow motion. Every series last night that he came in for I was waiting for the drive to stall. He's gotta be the least explosive player in the league. Just hoping Bradshaw can stay healthy so we don't have to see more of this guy.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It's putting management's ego above the success of the team - and that gets GMs fired. They made a mistake by trading a 1st rounder for him. That's forgivable and even commendable for its aggressiveness even though it's gone sideways.
Continuing to try to salvage sonething out of a RB who consistently puts the team in 2nd/3rd & long situations is actively detrimental. If this is the way management reacts when they make a mistake, that's a terminable flaw.
joffer
Footballguy
He looked good his rookie year. Not great, but good. Much more decisive and had some burst. Something changed.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I'm convinced that Richardson needs to primarily run stretch plays where he has to run first and then cut. When he runs inside, his first instinct is to hop-step. I think he uses that to give his mind time to decide where to run (slow decision making).
The Colts aren't good at stretch plays, but that's his best chance for success IMO.
The Colts aren't good at stretch plays, but that's his best chance for success IMO.
Todem
Footballguy
It's ironic because that is all they ran when Manning was at the helm and Edge was toting the rock (then that guy from LSU who was a flash in the pan and a one trick pony) Heck I remember Dominic Rhodes a UDFA had great succes with the Colts running stretch plays.
Funny how that changed.
On a few side notes.....T-Rich is awful, a massive bust. And I thought he played well his rookie year....something indeed changed drastically in-between that rookie year and going into year 2 with the Browns.
With Luck this team should be throwing the ball everywhere....and mixing in Bradshaw (15-17 touches) and get T-Rich outta there. He is nothing but a negative for this offense. He is just plain bad. So happy I was able to package him in a trade and get him off my one dynasty roster where I owned him. What a waste of a pick.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Joseph Addai wasn't a flash in the pan, nor a one trick pony. He strung together a good number of solid seasons and was actually the opposite of a "one trick pony". He was actually good at all aspects of the running back position and great at none.
Todem
Footballguy
Who was good...for 2 years he really played well.....my one trick pony comment was more targeted at the fact he was the perfect stretch play RB. Because he could not bang, he had zero wiggle and was an awful between the tackles runner. He was perfect to stretch out with his track star speed. He had very good hands too. So don't get me wrong...he was productive...but as far as a runner he was one dimensional. But the Colts knew exactly how to use him...and knew he fit their system perfectly.
Again...ironic that all they did was run stretch plays in the Manning era.
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cstu
Footballguy
Sammie Smith was an absolute beast who should have been a Pro Bowl RB, just like Trent.
Todem
Footballguy
Christ I remember Sammie Smith....remember him well. He was a beast at FSU and I thought he would be a star for the Dolphins. He reached a personal low vs the Olier's when he fumbled twice in successive weeks at the goalline and chants rang throughout the Orange Bowl of Sammie Sucks....he never recovered from that. He was then shipped out to Denver for another class act in Bobby Humphry who got so lit the night before the AFC title game at home vs the Bills....he showed up late to the stadium and was benched for a half.
I believe Smith is now out of prison after serving 7 years for cocaine trafficking.
God....the memories.
The #5 Miami Dolphins Draft Bust of All Time is...
Sammie Smith, who was a 1989 1st round pick, 9th overall.
It was no secret that the Dolphins desperately needed a running back, which became a revolving door position since Dan Marino took over. But when you reach for a player early in the draft, odds are he's going to end up on a list like this.
Smith spent three mediocre seasons in Miami, averaging under 600 yards rushing per season and just 3.5 yards per carry. Of course, Smith will be forever known for his two critical fumbles in back to back weeks against the Chiefs and Oilers. If there was one thing Smith was good at, it was fumbling at the worst possible times. Don Shula should have gotten the man some stickum.
Some of the players the Dolphins could have selected with that wasted draft pick include Steve Atwater, Andre Rison, and Eric Metcalf.
I believe Smith is now out of prison after serving 7 years for cocaine trafficking.
God....the memories.
The #5 Miami Dolphins Draft Bust of All Time is...
Sammie Smith, who was a 1989 1st round pick, 9th overall.
It was no secret that the Dolphins desperately needed a running back, which became a revolving door position since Dan Marino took over. But when you reach for a player early in the draft, odds are he's going to end up on a list like this.
Smith spent three mediocre seasons in Miami, averaging under 600 yards rushing per season and just 3.5 yards per carry. Of course, Smith will be forever known for his two critical fumbles in back to back weeks against the Chiefs and Oilers. If there was one thing Smith was good at, it was fumbling at the worst possible times. Don Shula should have gotten the man some stickum.
Some of the players the Dolphins could have selected with that wasted draft pick include Steve Atwater, Andre Rison, and Eric Metcalf.
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football_genus
Footballguy
Yeah, but Ingram was decent running the ball his first three years. Nowhere near as bad as Richardson has been.
I assume you mean Bradshaw, but it's really not strange at all IMO- one is a good RB, one is not.
agame2323
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
He's the guy taking richfield's lunch
eric rymer
Footballguy
True, but watching them both at Bama during Ingram's final season it was clear that Richardson was far and away the better back. I'm not defending Richardson expecting a miraculous turnaround or anything. I just bought him in the last couple weeks for literally nothing, so I have no real vested interest. I just think at only 23 years old that there is a chance in dynasty that he might be worth taking a low risk gamble on.football_genus said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Good god Richardson is terrible.
He will have a 7-8 yard run staring him in the face and then all of a sudden he is hopping around, going sideways, and then backwards resulting in a 2-3 yard run.
If he literally just got the ball and ran straight ahead with his eyes closed he would do better than he is.
He will have a 7-8 yard run staring him in the face and then all of a sudden he is hopping around, going sideways, and then backwards resulting in a 2-3 yard run.
If he literally just got the ball and ran straight ahead with his eyes closed he would do better than he is.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
Of course T-Rich has some FF value b/c again he is force fed touches in a high octane offense so if you have him in your lineup then more power to you. But I like to have fun playing FF. Watching this guy chase mediocrity while on my roster would not be my idea of fun.
Face it. He sucks. In fact, he is a historically bad RB. Of all of 344 RBs since the NFL merger to amass 500 career carries Richardson is basically THE WORST in terms of ypc. His 3.31 avg is only head of Michael Haddix and behind Zack Crocket, both of who were mainly FBs.
One could make the argument that T-Rich is THE worst starting RB in the last 45 years of NFL football. Think about that.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/10/trent_richardson_becomes_histo.html
Face it. He sucks. In fact, he is a historically bad RB. Of all of 344 RBs since the NFL merger to amass 500 career carries Richardson is basically THE WORST in terms of ypc. His 3.31 avg is only head of Michael Haddix and behind Zack Crocket, both of who were mainly FBs.
One could make the argument that T-Rich is THE worst starting RB in the last 45 years of NFL football. Think about that.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/10/trent_richardson_becomes_histo.html
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DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
This is a biased opinion from a person who drafted TRich with a 1st overall pick in dynasty. Generally, when I do that I watch every play from that guy in his rookie year...I'm interested.
When people say there was a difference from TRich in his rookie year versus everything after, it's wrong on a certain level. Trent ran hard coming out of college...he'd hit a hole with authority but really wasn’t a big play guy no matter what. He just came out more aggressive. I thought after 3-4 games that Cleveland would Earl Campbell this guy and run him into the ground quick...my other thought was that he's not that special. Around week 5 or 6 (too lazy to look up), he injured his ribs or broke them, whatever. He came back and played but that’s when he started dancing East-West a lot more. It was noticeable that he had changed his level of aggression and rightfully so. But not because he was injured and lacked confidence in his health. He realized he lacked confidence in his ability to avoid that kind of punishment in the future. Here was a guy who never saw holes close up and never had linebackers filling lanes in his entire football life. His true skillset did not give him the ability to get through those holes in the future and he knew it.
I traded him middle of his first season & other owners assumed I was unaware of the transcendent talent I was giving up. Stats don't replace the eyeball test.
Dancing from RBs comes from two things...one is rare and the other is common. The rare example is Reggie Bush. A guy that trusts his amateur ability too much because he has always had superior talent but never tested at NFL level speed. The second is common...the player like Trent who lacks the talent to adjust to NFL speed and dances because what else can he do? The common is usually cut so we don't get to see it too often or with any regularity outside of preseason. The point is this IS Trent Richardson and it’s not about learning a system or a wake up call...it just is.
Much shorter story: He sucks
When people say there was a difference from TRich in his rookie year versus everything after, it's wrong on a certain level. Trent ran hard coming out of college...he'd hit a hole with authority but really wasn’t a big play guy no matter what. He just came out more aggressive. I thought after 3-4 games that Cleveland would Earl Campbell this guy and run him into the ground quick...my other thought was that he's not that special. Around week 5 or 6 (too lazy to look up), he injured his ribs or broke them, whatever. He came back and played but that’s when he started dancing East-West a lot more. It was noticeable that he had changed his level of aggression and rightfully so. But not because he was injured and lacked confidence in his health. He realized he lacked confidence in his ability to avoid that kind of punishment in the future. Here was a guy who never saw holes close up and never had linebackers filling lanes in his entire football life. His true skillset did not give him the ability to get through those holes in the future and he knew it.
I traded him middle of his first season & other owners assumed I was unaware of the transcendent talent I was giving up. Stats don't replace the eyeball test.
Dancing from RBs comes from two things...one is rare and the other is common. The rare example is Reggie Bush. A guy that trusts his amateur ability too much because he has always had superior talent but never tested at NFL level speed. The second is common...the player like Trent who lacks the talent to adjust to NFL speed and dances because what else can he do? The common is usually cut so we don't get to see it too often or with any regularity outside of preseason. The point is this IS Trent Richardson and it’s not about learning a system or a wake up call...it just is.
Much shorter story: He sucks
pghrob
Footballguy
Count me as a dynasty owner who drafted him #3 overall and see him as a bust pick. Regarding dancing, I can only note that it is vision and reaction that is missing. Compare him to how LeVeon Bell looks this year. Bell is able to wait on his linemen to develop running lanes with patience then hit the hole hard. Richardson shows no such ability.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I watched him on Thursday for the first time in a while. He'd knock out a 4 to 9 yard run, looking aggressive, driving a pile or breaking a block and I'd think the light had gone on for him. He would then follow that up with an indecisive, break off the play to move lateral and then get tackled for a loss run, followed right away by a second one, and I'd think that if I could trade him for a decent punter I would.
RBM
Footballguy
He really looks exactly like Ced Benson did his first couple of years with the Bears. And Benson had the same situation in college....awesome line that opened huge holes. These guys never had to learn how to explode through a tight crease. And like Benson, Trent might have a softness to him...lacking that aggressive style you see in a guy like Bradshaw.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Only one RB with 500 carries in their career has had a worse YPC than his 3.32:
1983 8th overall pick by the Eagles - Michael Haddix
He was taken before HOFers Marino, Kelly, Bruce Matthews and Darrell Green. Haddix's name rarely comes up in worst draft bust conversations but he should be near the top.
Once Richardson gets 15 more carries there will be no other RB with as many carries and a worse YPC.
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georg013
Footballguy
Mommy, read me that story again! I like it!
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I dont think he looked good his rookie year either. He looked pretty average to below average.
