The Trent Richardson Thread (5 Viewers)

[football_genus]

Basically I see him as a poor man's Asiata. While he may be less talented than Asiata, he has similar value based on volume in a good offense with a good young quarterback. He is going to ram into the defense for 2 YPC, get red zone carries, and a good number of targets in the passing game. His backfield mate is a more talented runner, which is a concern, but he should hold good value this year.

 

[Jrodicus]

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

We've got the guys leaning on recent fantasy production assuming that will continue, and proclaiming they were right all along.

Then we have the guys who look at his NFL efficiency and say he still sucks and they were right all along.

You girls are both pretty. Richardson HAS been a fantasy value so far. He also apparently still can't run the football very efficiently which doesn't bode well for his "future" production. Eventually, a guy getting less than 3 yards per carry is going to be replaced for those carries. But it may not be this year, in which case it sure looks like Richardson will give you a solid ROI.

It's convenient to try and put everyone into a box...you're either for him or against him...but unfortunately that's not reality. That is not the case for many people, but unfortunately many of the level-headed people have stopped commenting because of the snark.

There are many shades of gray in between. I've posted about it probably as much as anyone, and if you were to read my comments from the offseason, hopefully you would see that I have been consistent in my stance - it was too soon to crown him the next Peterson, but it's also too soon to completely write him off.

I'm glad he's putting up points...but he's only had 2 games above replacement level so far, and there's still plenty of season left for things to change. I'm hopeful that they will continue getting him involved in the passing game, but I'm pretty sure there will still be more sub 10-point games to come this year.

 

[humpback]

I do notice this thread is not getting close to the action lately. All the usual tools that would just hang out in here getting their rocks off by killing Trent have scattered. Guess that's what 3 straight good games will do.

Yeah, that 2.35 ypc was impressive today

Yeah, it was almost as good as Shady's 1.7 YPC.

Who said Shady was impressive today (yesterday)?

 

[Jrodicus]

I do notice this thread is not getting close to the action lately. All the usual tools that would just hang out in here getting their rocks off by killing Trent have scattered. Guess that's what 3 straight good games will do.

Yeah, that 2.35 ypc was impressive today

Yeah, it was almost as good as Shady's 1.7 YPC.

Who said Shady was impressive today (yesterday)?

Who said Richardson was impressive?

He's had 2 good (not great) fantasy weeks. On a week with so many byes, you wouldn't be happy getting top 10 numbers from him?

 

[humpback]

Who said Shady was impressive today (yesterday)?

Who said Richardson was impressive?He's had 2 good (not great) fantasy weeks. On a week with so many byes, you wouldn't be happy getting top 10 numbers from him?

The guy who said he's had 3 straight good games? Again, people are discussing more than just his fantasy performance in here. The poster said he's had 3 straight good games, which he hasn't (fantasy or real life). The guy you quoted obviously was referring to his real life performance, and Shady has nothing to do with that.

 

[KellysHeroes]

what he avg this week, 2.2 a carry?

 

[pizzatyme]

I saw it again first-hand yesterday. When Richardson runs hard and doesn't try his shuffle step, he can be pretty effective. Unfortunately, 9/10 times, he thinks he can juke his way to glory which just does NOT work for him.

Bradshaw is easily more effective. Herron would also be more effective. However, what do you do? They paid a ####load for him and will continue to ride him.

As long as Pep keeps the offense passing to run, he will get his and be decent value. That doesn't make him great by any means, but for a 5-8th rounder, you can't complain.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

when did this become a debate?

 

[Jrodicus]

Who said Shady was impressive today (yesterday)?

Who said Richardson was impressive?He's had 2 good (not great) fantasy weeks. On a week with so many byes, you wouldn't be happy getting top 10 numbers from him?

The guy who said he's had 3 straight good games? Again, people are discussing more than just his fantasy performance in here. The poster said he's had 3 straight good games, which he hasn't (fantasy or real life). The guy you quoted obviously was referring to his real life performance, and Shady has nothing to do with that.

The guy I quoted referred to his YPC...which again, doesn't tell the whole story.

I don't argue with someone if they say that they think he looks like crap; everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you start using data, you'd better know what you're talking about. If you're going to hang your hat solely on YPC and claim that it is the way of measuring how good a RB is, then you are going to have to accept that.

Charles wasn't even a top 40 PPR RB against Tennessee week 1, with 2.7 YPC. 7.4 points

Murray was #6 RB against Tennessee week 2, with 5.8 YPC. 22.3 points

Gio was #7 RB against Tennessee week 3, with 3.4 YPC. 18.4 points

Richardson was #5 RB (pending tonight's game) against Tennessee week 4, with 2.4 YPC. 19.9 points

So tell me gain how important YPC is when determining how good of a fantasy performer someone is?

As far as real life, you are saying that Richardson had bad games in weeks 2 and 3? That's fine, but since you want to stick with YPC, Richardson had a YPC over those 2 games (3.914) that was higher than Forte (2.2), McCoy (2.5), Joquie Bell (2.8), Asiata (2.8), Gio (3.3), Morris (3.6), Ball (3.8), Lynch (3.88), and Knile Davis (3.907).

So tell me again how important YPC is when determining how good of a real-life RB someone is?

 

[Jrodicus]

I saw it again first-hand yesterday. When Richardson runs hard and doesn't try his shuffle step, he can be pretty effective. Unfortunately, 9/10 times, he thinks he can juke his way to glory which just does NOT work for him.

Bradshaw is easily more effective. Herron would also be more effective. However, what do you do? They paid a ####load for him and will continue to ride him.

As long as Pep keeps the offense passing to run, he will get his and be decent value. That doesn't make him great by any means, but for a 5-8th rounder, you can't complain.

Yeah, it looked like on almost every play he would come forward, take the handoff, stop, and then look for where he was supposed to run. Tennessee has a good line, so maybe there weren't a lot of holes there, but he still hesitated a lot. If he had a full head of steam, instead of stopping, I think he could've pushed the pile a few times. Definitely left some yards on the table.

 

[Jrodicus]

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

We've got the guys leaning on recent fantasy production assuming that will continue, and proclaiming they were right all along.

Then we have the guys who look at his NFL efficiency and say he still sucks and they were right all along.

You girls are both pretty. Richardson HAS been a fantasy value so far. He also apparently still can't run the football very efficiently which doesn't bode well for his "future" production. Eventually, a guy getting less than 3 yards per carry is going to be replaced for those carries. But it may not be this year, in which case it sure looks like Richardson will give you a solid ROI.

It's convenient to try and put everyone into a box...you're either for him or against him...but unfortunately that's not reality. That is not the case for many people, but unfortunately many of the level-headed people have stopped commenting because of the snark.

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

when did this become a debate?

Right on cue...

 

[John 14:6]

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

We've got the guys leaning on recent fantasy production assuming that will continue, and proclaiming they were right all along.

Then we have the guys who look at his NFL efficiency and say he still sucks and they were right all along.

You girls are both pretty. Richardson HAS been a fantasy value so far. He also apparently still can't run the football very efficiently which doesn't bode well for his "future" production. Eventually, a guy getting less than 3 yards per carry is going to be replaced for those carries. But it may not be this year, in which case it sure looks like Richardson will give you a solid ROI.

It's convenient to try and put everyone into a box...you're either for him or against him...but unfortunately that's not reality. That is not the case for many people, but unfortunately many of the level-headed people have stopped commenting because of the snark.

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

when did this become a debate?

Right on cue...

Honestly, though, the "tell me again" statements are also a bit snarky...

 

[gump]

Drafted him as the 32nd RB off the board, and currently sits at 19th.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The guy I quoted referred to his YPC...which again, doesn't tell the whole story.

I don't argue with someone if they say that they think he looks like crap; everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you start using data, you'd better know what you're talking about. If you're going to hang your hat solely on YPC and claim that it is the way of measuring how good a RB is, then you are going to have to accept that.

Charles wasn't even a top 40 PPR RB against Tennessee week 1, with 2.7 YPC. 7.4 points

Murray was #6 RB against Tennessee week 2, with 5.8 YPC. 22.3 points

Gio was #7 RB against Tennessee week 3, with 3.4 YPC. 18.4 points

Richardson was #5 RB (pending tonight's game) against Tennessee week 4, with 2.4 YPC. 19.9 points

So tell me gain how important YPC is when determining how good of a fantasy performer someone is?

As far as real life, you are saying that Richardson had bad games in weeks 2 and 3? That's fine, but since you want to stick with YPC, Richardson had a YPC over those 2 games (3.914) that was higher than Forte (2.2), McCoy (2.5), Joquie Bell (2.8), Asiata (2.8), Gio (3.3), Morris (3.6), Ball (3.8), Lynch (3.88), and Knile Davis (3.907).

So tell me again how important YPC is when determining how good of a real-life RB someone is?

this post is like 10,000 spoons

 

[James Daulton]

What are people arguing about in this thread? From a fantasy perspective Trent has been ok this year. From a real-life, NFL RB perspective he's been below average this yea and for his career. What I don't get is why do the Colts continue to trot him out there? Is he good in pass protection? Do they really have no one better? Worried about Bradshaw getting hurt? It makes no sense since by any metric he's a below average NFL RB.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

What are people arguing about in this thread? From a fantasy perspective Trent has been ok this year. From a real-life, NFL RB perspective he's been below average this yea and for his career. What I don't get is why do the Colts continue to trot him out there? Is he good in pass protection? Do they really have no one better? Worried about Bradshaw getting hurt? It makes no sense since by any metric he's a below average NFL RB.

i assume pretty much because he was a first round pick for them.

I doubt the leash would be this long if he was udfa, but they must've liked something about him to make the trade, so they're just still panning for that gold nugget their surveyors told them was there.

last year I think they gave him 5 weeks before cutting back after their bye, so we'll see where things settle once they start playing some of these legit teams instead of the last couple weeks of chumps.

here are their next 5 up to the bye

BAL @HOU CIN @PIT @NYG

 

[Jrodicus]

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

We've got the guys leaning on recent fantasy production assuming that will continue, and proclaiming they were right all along.

Then we have the guys who look at his NFL efficiency and say he still sucks and they were right all along.

You girls are both pretty. Richardson HAS been a fantasy value so far. He also apparently still can't run the football very efficiently which doesn't bode well for his "future" production. Eventually, a guy getting less than 3 yards per carry is going to be replaced for those carries. But it may not be this year, in which case it sure looks like Richardson will give you a solid ROI.

It's convenient to try and put everyone into a box...you're either for him or against him...but unfortunately that's not reality. That is not the case for many people, but unfortunately many of the level-headed people have stopped commenting because of the snark.

The two sides of this debate are pretty clear and pretty repetitive at this point.

when did this become a debate?

Right on cue...

Honestly, though, the "tell me again" statements are also a bit snarky...

Agreed...but...

Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his foolishness or he'll become wise in his own eyes.

 

[football_genus]

He's actually been pretty good catching the ball this year, so there's that.

Basically he's a 3rd down COP back in an every down power back's body, while Bradshaw is just the opposite. Unfortunately, Bradshaw doesn't seem able to take the pounding, so Richardson is called upon to run more on first down (producing 2 YPC).

 

[John 14:6]

Agreed...but...

Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his foolishness or he'll become wise in his own eyes.

I think you're misunderstanding that verse. If we look at the verse before that as well, we see "answering a fool according to his folly" will make you like the fool. In context, I believe this is saying that if you think someone's a fool, you should correct them (verse 5) but not by foolish means (verse 4).

Proverbs 26:4

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,

Lest you also be like him.

5

5 Answer a fool according to his folly,

Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

 

[Jrodicus]

What are people arguing about in this thread? From a fantasy perspective Trent has been ok this year. From a real-life, NFL RB perspective he's been below average this yea and for his career. What I don't get is why do the Colts continue to trot him out there? Is he good in pass protection? Do they really have no one better? Worried about Bradshaw getting hurt? It makes no sense since by any metric he's a below average NFL RB.

He is good in pass protection and a good receiver. The Colts have been better running between the tackles, but they're still not great at it. Most of Bradshaw's big runs have come when he runs outside; Trent doesn't appear to have the speed/decisiveness to get around the edge.

The top 24 RBs so far based on number of carries are averaging 4.04 YPC. Richardson is 20th on that list at 3.33; Ridley, Asiata, Ball, and Gio are also in the 3.3's. JBell, Lacy, McCoy, and Donald Brown are lower.

 

[Jrodicus]

Agreed...but...

Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his foolishness or he'll become wise in his own eyes.

I think you're misunderstanding that verse. If we look at the verse before that as well, we see "answering a fool according to his folly" will make you like the fool. In context, I believe this is saying that if you think someone's a fool, you should correct them (verse 5) but not by foolish means (verse 4).Proverbs 26:4

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,

Lest you also be like him.

5

5 Answer a fool according to his folly,

Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Yes, I know what the verse before it says. I didn't post it because I didn't want to get into a religious debate in the Shark Pool...but I would be happy to continue to discussion in Free for All.

 

[John 14:6]

Agreed...but...

Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his foolishness or he'll become wise in his own eyes.

I think you're misunderstanding that verse. If we look at the verse before that as well, we see "answering a fool according to his folly" will make you like the fool. In context, I believe this is saying that if you think someone's a fool, you should correct them (verse 5) but not by foolish means (verse 4).Proverbs 26:4

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,

Lest you also be like him.

5

5 Answer a fool according to his folly,

Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Yes, I know what the verse before it says. I didn't post it because I didn't want to get into a religious debate in the Shark Pool...but I would be happy to continue to discussion in Free for All.

I prefer to avoid the FFA. If you think the snark in this thread is bad... There's so much piling on and people just trying to be funny or mocking that you can't have a serious conversation.

I'd be open to private messages, though...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Agreed...but...

Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his foolishness or he'll become wise in his own eyes.

I think you're misunderstanding

I'm seeing a pattern

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

What are people arguing about in this thread? From a fantasy perspective Trent has been ok this year. From a real-life, NFL RB perspective he's been below average this yea and for his career. What I don't get is why do the Colts continue to trot him out there? Is he good in pass protection? Do they really have no one better? Worried about Bradshaw getting hurt? It makes no sense since by any metric he's a below average NFL RB.

He is good in pass protection and a good receiver. The Colts have been better running between the tackles, but they're still not great at it. Most of Bradshaw's big runs have come when he runs outside; Trent doesn't appear to have the speed/decisiveness to get around the edge.

The top 24 RBs so far based on number of carries are averaging 4.04 YPC. Richardson is 20th on that list at 3.33; Ridley, Asiata, Ball, and Gio are also in the 3.3's. JBell, Lacy, McCoy, and Donald Brown are lower.

would that be the same donald brown who was killing it replacing richardson behind indy's supposedly horrible offensive line last year?

 

[humpback]

Who said Shady was impressive today (yesterday)?

Who said Richardson was impressive?He's had 2 good (not great) fantasy weeks. On a week with so many byes, you wouldn't be happy getting top 10 numbers from him?

The guy who said he's had 3 straight good games? Again, people are discussing more than just his fantasy performance in here. The poster said he's had 3 straight good games, which he hasn't (fantasy or real life). The guy you quoted obviously was referring to his real life performance, and Shady has nothing to do with that.

The guy I quoted referred to his YPC...which again, doesn't tell the whole story.I don't argue with someone if they say that they think he looks like crap; everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you start using data, you'd better know what you're talking about. If you're going to hang your hat solely on YPC and claim that it is the way of measuring how good a RB is, then you are going to have to accept that.

Charles wasn't even a top 40 PPR RB against Tennessee week 1, with 2.7 YPC. 7.4 points

Murray was #6 RB against Tennessee week 2, with 5.8 YPC. 22.3 points

Gio was #7 RB against Tennessee week 3, with 3.4 YPC. 18.4 points

Richardson was #5 RB (pending tonight's game) against Tennessee week 4, with 2.4 YPC. 19.9 points

So tell me gain how important YPC is when determining how good of a fantasy performer someone is?

As far as real life, you are saying that Richardson had bad games in weeks 2 and 3? That's fine, but since you want to stick with YPC, Richardson had a YPC over those 2 games (3.914) that was higher than Forte (2.2), McCoy (2.5), Joquie Bell (2.8), Asiata (2.8), Gio (3.3), Morris (3.6), Ball (3.8), Lynch (3.88), and Knile Davis (3.907).

So tell me again how important YPC is when determining how good of a real-life RB someone is?

That's because the guy you quoted disagreed that Trent has had 3 good games in a row and used YPC to show how he didn't perform well even this week. No one is saying it "tells the whole story", so it would be nice if you would finally give up that straw man for good. Fantasy output certainly doesn't tell the whole story about how someone looked either.

You keep bringing up other RBs which have absolutely nothing to do with Trent Richardson- just because they didn't have good games doesn't mean Trent did. Just more spin.

 

[Jrodicus]

You keep bringing up other RBs which have absolutely nothing to do with Trent Richardson- just because they didn't have good games doesn't mean Trent did. Just more spin.

"Average" is a comparison, correct? If you say that Richardson is less than average, then you are comparing him to other players.

The lists are showing other players that have also been less than average. From a YPC standpoint, he hasn't been as good as Murray or L. Bell, but he hasn't been any worse than those others I posted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

 

[humpback]

You keep bringing up other RBs which have absolutely nothing to do with Trent Richardson- just because they didn't have good games doesn't mean Trent did. Just more spin.

"Average" is a comparison, correct? If you say that Richardson is less than average, then you are comparing him to other players.

The lists are showing other players that have also been less than average. From a YPC standpoint, he hasn't been as good as Murray or L. Bell, but he hasn't been any worse than those others I posted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

So ypc does tell the whole story when you want it to? You've got to be dizzy from all of the spinning you're doing.

I disagreed that Richardson has had 3 straight good games. The fact that other RBs haven't either is irrelevant to that, although if it makes you feel better to say it, knock yourself out.

 

[Jrodicus]

What are people arguing about in this thread? From a fantasy perspective Trent has been ok this year. From a real-life, NFL RB perspective he's been below average this yea and for his career. What I don't get is why do the Colts continue to trot him out there? Is he good in pass protection? Do they really have no one better? Worried about Bradshaw getting hurt? It makes no sense since by any metric he's a below average NFL RB.

He is good in pass protection and a good receiver. The Colts have been better running between the tackles, but they're still not great at it. Most of Bradshaw's big runs have come when he runs outside; Trent doesn't appear to have the speed/decisiveness to get around the edge.

The top 24 RBs so far based on number of carries are averaging 4.04 YPC. Richardson is 20th on that list at 3.33; Ridley, Asiata, Ball, and Gio are also in the 3.3's. JBell, Lacy, McCoy, and Donald Brown are lower.

would that be the same donald brown who was killing it replacing richardson behind indy's supposedly horrible offensive line last year?

Yup. I guess SDs O-line this year must be worse than Indy's was last year.

 

[Jrodicus]

You keep bringing up other RBs which have absolutely nothing to do with Trent Richardson- just because they didn't have good games doesn't mean Trent did. Just more spin.

"Average" is a comparison, correct? If you say that Richardson is less than average, then you are comparing him to other players.

The lists are showing other players that have also been less than average. From a YPC standpoint, he hasn't been as good as Murray or L. Bell, but he hasn't been any worse than those others I posted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

So ypc does tell the whole story when you want it to? You've got to be dizzy from all of the spinning you're doing.I disagreed that Richardson has had 3 straight good games. The fact that other RBs haven't either is irrelevant to that, although if it makes you feel better to say it, knock yourself out.

Sigh...I posted the YPC to show what a useless stat it is to refer to, at least this point in the season.

Good is a relative term.

What criteria would you like to use to define if he is "good" going forward?

 

[football_genus]

No stat is perfect, but Richardson's 3.3 career YPC over 500+ carries suggests he's a bad runner. This is supported by the eye test, advanced statistics, and his performance relative to other backs on the same team. His performance this year is entirely consistent with what he's done to date, so it hasn't budged my prior one bit.

 

[Gopher State]

He's on the waiver wire in my ten team money league (only 4 bench spots) that's how low it's gotten for T Rich

 

[Jrodicus]

No stat is perfect, but Richardson's 3.3 career YPC over 500+ carries suggests he's a bad runner. This is supported by the eye test, advanced statistics, and his performance relative to other backs on the same team. His performance this year is entirely consistent with what he's done to date, so it hasn't budged my prior one bit.

Which advanced statistics are you referring to? I'm looking for a baseline going forward.

 

[football_genus]

No stat is perfect, but Richardson's 3.3 career YPC over 500+ carries suggests he's a bad runner. This is supported by the eye test, advanced statistics, and his performance relative to other backs on the same team. His performance this year is entirely consistent with what he's done to date, so it hasn't budged my prior one bit.

Which advanced statistics are you referring to? I'm looking for a baseline going forward.

Football outsiders DVOA, DYAR, and SR.

Advanced Football Analytics EPA, EPA/P, and SR.

 

[pizzatyme]

You down with OPP?

 

[Jrodicus]

No stat is perfect, but Richardson's 3.3 career YPC over 500+ carries suggests he's a bad runner. This is supported by the eye test, advanced statistics, and his performance relative to other backs on the same team. His performance this year is entirely consistent with what he's done to date, so it hasn't budged my prior one bit.

Which advanced statistics are you referring to? I'm looking for a baseline going forward.

Football outsiders DVOA, DYAR, and SR.

Advanced Football Analytics EPA, EPA/P, and SR.

So where does he rank on those lists, and what is a "good" number for him going forward?

 

[RBM]

No stat is perfect, but Richardson's 3.3 career YPC over 500+ carries suggests he's a bad runner. This is supported by the eye test, advanced statistics, and his performance relative to other backs on the same team. His performance this year is entirely consistent with what he's done to date, so it hasn't budged my prior one bit.

Which advanced statistics are you referring to? I'm looking for a baseline going forward.

Football outsiders DVOA, DYAR, and SR.

Advanced Football Analytics EPA, EPA/P, and SR.

 

[cstu]

You down with OPP?

Other People's Projections?

 

[Todem]

I do notice this thread is not getting close to the action lately. All the usual tools that would just hang out in here getting their rocks off by killing Trent have scattered. Guess that's what 3 straight good games will do.

Yeah, that 2.35 ypc was impressive today

Yeah, it was almost as good as Shady's 1.7 YPC.

Yep..that's it. T-Rich is better than McCoy.

The Shark Poll has officially lost it's mind.

So...what are their career YPC's.....LOL.

The point is that YPC doesn't tell the entire story. If you're going to make your case on the value of RBs for fantasy based solely on that, you might want to find a new hobby.

Agreed 100%

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

forget the jokes and emoticons for a minute

ima come right out and say it

ahmad bradshaw will shut this thread down forever

MARK IT DOWN!!!!4!

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/09/26/colts-bradshaw-is-the-true-top-back/

Maybe things will even out the deeper we get into the season, but right now Bradshaw is near the top of our running back ranks with a +3.7 overall grade compared to Richardson’s -3.0 that has him in the position’s Bottom 10.

 

[Jrodicus]

forget the jokes and emoticons for a minute

ima come right out and say it

ahmad bradshaw will shut this thread down forever

MARK IT DOWN!!!!4!

gg

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/09/26/colts-bradshaw-is-the-true-top-back/

Maybe things will even out the deeper we get into the season, but right now Bradshaw is near the top of our running back ranks with a +3.7 overall grade compared to Richardson’s -3.0 that has him in the position’s Bottom 10.

Bradshaw has looked better, but I don't know how much faith I have in some of these stats:

Neither back has surrendered any pressure while held in to pass block, but Bradshaw’s mark (no pressures over 26 pass-blocking snaps) is the league’s best.

There for sure was a block that Bradshaw missed last week that allowed pressure up the middle and flushed Luck out of the pocket. I'm sure there are probably more, for both guys, but that one sticks out.

 

[mnmplayer]

I watched the game on a small TV while working out a fair distance away. I swear I thought it was Eddy Lacy running the ball. There's some hope for Trent owners and some despair for Lacy owners I guess. They look like the same guy. IIRC correctly Trent had a decent rookie season.

 

[Otis]

Lots of really great updates in here. Keep 'em coming.

 

[jurb26]

Richardson has looked much better this year than he did last year. Not very difficult to do so but still, he has. His touches aren't going away and I think he is what he is. An average, maybe bellow average RB who needs to be a compiler for any success. Fortunately, he is able to compile right now.

 

[cstu]

It's still pretty simple for me - 3.3 YPC

Without that 27 yard run he's at 2.7 YPC on 60 carries.

 

[jurb26]

It's still pretty simple for me - 3.3 YPC

Without that 27 yard run he's at 2.7 YPC on 60 carries.

Why do this? He had a 27 yd run. You don't get to take it away to embellish a point.

 

[SameSongNDance]

So Bradshaw in a walking boot after last Sunday's game isn't news? Is it just expected at this point?

 

[karmarooster]

Has anyone traded Richardson in a dynasty league recently?

I have him on a cellar-dweller that is setting up well for next year (Gordon, Watkins, Michael, Gurley, Gio), and wouldn't mind 'selling high' on Richardson. I would consider selling high getting another more than dumpster prices. Problem is it's difficult to identify another young RB with potential for next year in the range. And he'll only be 24 next year, so could be worth a hold if he can learn some lessons from fellow disappointing Bama back Ingram.

 

[georg013]

It's still pretty simple for me - 3.3 YPC

Without that 27 yard run he's at 2.7 YPC on 60 carries.

Why do this? He had a 27 yd run. You don't get to take it away to embellish a point.

When you hate a guy and you want to prove a point (by manipulating the data), you do that. All of the complaining about TRich's longest run being 8 yards and the guy wants to take the 27 yarder away (which, by the way, is more rare than Alexandrite). Damn.

 

[cstu]

It's still pretty simple for me - 3.3 YPC

Without that 27 yard run he's at 2.7 YPC on 60 carries.

Why do this? He had a 27 yd run. You don't get to take it away to embellish a point.

When you hate a guy and you want to prove a point (by manipulating the data), you do that. All of the complaining about TRich's longest run being 8 yards and the guy wants to take the 27 yarder away (which, by the way, is more rare than Alexandrite). Damn.

I'll do it with any player. It's not 'taking it away' but it's useful to look at the data with an outlier.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It's still pretty simple for me - 3.3 YPC

Without that 27 yard run he's at 2.7 YPC on 60 carries.

Why do this? He had a 27 yd run. You don't get to take it away to embellish a point.

True, but 3.3 YPC still sucks, especially when you consider they have played defenses that rank 12, 26, 22 and 25 in rushing defense.