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Ladies and gentlemen, all of this stems from Trump's uninformed tweet.

To my senses, this is starting to get dangerous.  We're moving from Trump the idiot, to Trump the threat to national security and stability.  Anyone else sensing a shift in what he's doing to his base?

It's like through his idiocy, and conspiracy theory nature, and habit of doubling down, and willingness to say anything not to be proven wrong...he's going to take us somewhere dangerous, and it feels like we've recently taken a few quick steps down that path.

 
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-03/cernovich-explains-how-he-learned-about-susan-rice

"Maggie Haberman had it.  She will not run any articles that are critical of the Obama administration."


"Eli Lake had it.  He didn't want to run it and Bloomberg didn't want to run it because it vindicates Trump's claim that he had been spied upon.  And Eli Lake is a 'never Trumper.'  Bloomberg was a 'never Trump' publication."

"I'm showing you the politics of 'real journalism'.  'Real journalism' is that Bloomberg had it and the New York Times had it but they wouldn't run it because  they don't want to run any stories that would make Obama look bad or that will vindicate Trump.  They only want to run stories that make Trump look bad so that's why they sat on it."

"So where did I get the story?  I didn't get it from the intelligence community.  Everybody's trying to figure out where I got it from.  I got it from somebody who works in one of those media companies.  I have spies in every media organization.  I got people in news rooms.  I got it from a source within the news room who said 'Cernovich, they're sitting on this story, they're not going to run it, so you can run it'."
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adonis said:
Ladies and gentlemen, all of this stems from Trump's uninformed tweet.

To my senses, this is starting to get dangerous.  We're moving from Trump the idiot, to Trump the threat to national security and stability.  Anyone else sensing a shift in what he's doing to his base?

It's like through his idiocy, and conspiracy theory nature, and habit of doubling down, and willingness to say anything not to be proven wrong...he's going to take us somewhere dangerous, and it feels like we've recently taken a few quick steps down that path.
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Trump's original tweet was not uninformed, it was an intentional falsehood designed to get attention and drive a parallel and maybe overarching narrative. It was a lie from the start that he disseminated just when the Sessions inquiry was still peaking and when reports of his contacts with Rybolovlev and other mob/oligarchy figures were hitting mass notice.

 
David Dodds said:
Not like Obama's DOJ was just eaves dropping on Flynn.  They were spying on Trump's transition team, Trump's family, people like Cernovich for the better part of a year.

Beyond inappropriate.  Obama's DOJ refused a Grand Jury investigation over Benghazi and Comey has been a coward regarding the SAPs on HRCs server.  Looking forward to a Grand Jury ruling on these abuses soon.  

Sorry...all out of immunity deals.
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Looking forward to actual evidence of anything you are claiming.

 
Phase of the Game said:
How many times have you asked this? Dude....relax for once in your life. :lmao:
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From the FAQ pinned at the top of the forum. Either enforce it or eliminate it as a rule - very simple:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/319399-free-for-all-faq/

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Are a pain for moderators. If you feel the need to create extra accounts just for trolling, this message board isn't for you. We see them; we close them. New accounts created in response to having your original account suspended/banned may also be axed.

 
squistion said:
From the FAQ pinned at the top of the forum. Either enforce it or eliminate it as a rule - very simple:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/319399-free-for-all-faq/

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Are a pain for moderators. If you feel the need to create extra accounts just for trolling, this message board isn't for you. We see them; we close them. New accounts created in response to having your original account suspended/banned may also be axed.
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:lmao:

Dude...RELAX!!!

 
David Dodds said:
Your real name is Squistion?  
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No, but I don't post simultaneously under multiple accounts that have all received suspensions in violation of the FAQ guidelines, like for instance the poster who openly goes by four handles:

Beaver Cleaver

Phase of the Game

Fantasy Football Fairy

FlaVVwed.

 
David Dodds said:
video of conspiracy of silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-F5JoHoho&t=19s

This is the Discovery Channel's special that they were paid $500K to never air.
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Good write up on reddit

Some facts about this case that you won't hear from the tinfoil-hat crowd:

1.) The narrative of child prostitution was likely concocted by former Boys Town employee Michael Casey, an ex-convict and known fraud.

Casey was fired from Boys Town in 1974 for stealing confidential records and attempting to sell the rights to a TV series about the town. Soon after, he made accusations about financial impropriety against Boys Town, making no mention of child prostitution. The next year, he showed up in Los Angeles at the offices of the LA Times, falsely claiming that he was in contact with Patty Hearst, who was being held hostage at the time. 

By 1988, he was back in Omaha, where he met Alicia Owen while they were checked into the same mental hospital:


While at St. Joseph's, Owen became acquainted with Casey, whom the grand jury described as a "con man" passing himself off as an investigative reporter who "endeavored to uncover the `real' Franklin story." Shortly after Owen was released from St. Joseph's in December, Casey contacted her about moving in with him and his male roommate. Casey said that he was an investigative reporter for the New York Times and that he would train Owen to be his assistant. In a February 1990 interview, Owen told FBI special agent Michael Mott that during the 2 to 3 weeks she stayed with Casey, he pumped her for Franklin-related information. She told Mott that she had stonewalled Casey, telling him that she was not involved in the scandal herself. However, in a letter to Owen dated March 15, 1990, and found among Owen's personal papers, Casey wrote that he was working with producers in Los Angeles and Omaha to develop his "Franklin project" and that he would send Owen a copy of the first draft of a script for a play so that Owen could review it and offer her ideas. In a greeting card to Owen dated March 23, 1990, and found among Owen's personal papers, Casey wrote that three national publications and a movie producer were interested in his Franklin project and that Owen was "assured of a job when [you] get out of their [sic] as a consultant and researcher."



From http://law.justia.com/cases/nebraska/court-of-appeals/1993/a-91-836-8.html

2.) The perjury charges against Alisha Owen were supported by hard evidence.

There are many examples in the State v. Owen opinion cited above, but the most damning is that regarding her alleged sexual abuse by police chief Robert Wadman:


Owen testified to the grand jury that the police chief was in good physical shape with no surgical scars. Given their many sexual encounters, Owen said she would have noticed any scars on the chief's body. The police chief had been shot in the left arm while working as an undercover officer in Arizona in 1973. As a result of bone graft surgeries to repair the damaged arm, the chief has a noticeable scar on his left forearm from a "large, irregular incision running approximately from his wrist to his elbow." Surgeons had removed bone from the point of the right hip for use in the bone graft in the left forearm. The removal of bone from the hip left a "very large" and "easy-to-see" scar that extends around the front of the chief's right hip. At her perjury trial, Owen offered a very detailed description of the police chief's body from head to toe but did not include the surgical scars described above. She dismissed as unconvincing a series of photographs of the scar on the chief's left forearm and refused to believe that the chief's left arm was 50 percent disabled. She said she never saw the scar on the chief's right hip. The State pointed out that Owen did not name the police chief as the father of her child until several years after the child was born. The State introduced testimony by several witnesses who claimed that Owen initially had named another man as the father of her child. Owen's child was born May 1, 1985. On May 15, in the course of applying for welfare for her child, Owen told Mary Jane Krance, an income maintenance worker for the State of Nebraska, that the father of the child was Mark Burkhart. Owen testified at trial that she was afraid to name the police chief as the father for fear of possible repercussions that would result if the State sought reimbursement from the chief for welfare benefits paid to Owen. In three subsequent annual interviews to reevaluate the level of public assistance necessary, Owen continued to name Burkhart as the father. No father was named in Owen's application for 1989. Ann O'Connor, a probation officer for Douglas County, prepared a presentence investigation report on Owen in September 1989 in conjunction with Owen's sentencing hearing following her conviction for passing bad checks. Owen told O'Connor that Burkhart was the father of Owen's child. The State called Terry Clements, a friend and occasional sexual partner of Owen from December 1984 to February 1988, as a rebuttal witness to corroborate the fact that Owen initially had named Burkhart as the father of her child. Clements testified that while Owen was pregnant in the fall of 1984, she had explained to him that Burkhart was the best friend of her boyfriend and that she had slept with Burkhart to spite her boyfriend. According to Clements, Owen showed him a picture of Burkhart in her high school yearbook and an entry in her diary in which Owen referred to Burkhart as the father of her child.



3.) Paul Bonacci was already in prison for child molestation when he first made the allegations against King.

I can't link directly, but searching Paul Bonacci's name on the site newslibrary.com brings up a number of articles from the Omaha World Herald about his charges. It is plausible that he fabricated the allegations so as to make it look like there were mitigating circumstances for his crimes. Bonacci allegedly suffers from multiple personality disorder; worth noting is an article about Bonacci appealing his later perjury conviction, wherein his lawyer John Decamp, author of The Franklin Coverup, argues that the conviction was not valid since each of Bonacci's multiple personalities were not sworn in separately. Yeah.

4.) Loran Schmit, head of the Franklin Committee, and John Decamp, author of The Franklin Coverup, both had possible ulterior motives for pursuing the allegations.

Decamp was the subject of false accusations of sexual abuse in 1984 during his campaign the U.S. Senate, which he characterized as a political hit-job by those within the state GOP who did not want him to get the party's nomination. (Articles on the subject can be found by searching for "John Decamp" on newslibrary.com.) The grand jury report from the Franklin case (which I have a Word copy of, available on request) stated that it was likely Decamp became involved in the case for reasons of revenge or political gain.

Loran Schmit had previously come into conflict with one of the accused, Omaha World Herald editor Harold Andersen, over the issue of video gambling:


The State brought out several reasons why Schmit might have wanted to see Owen's version of the Franklin scandal vindicated. Schmit testified on cross-examination that in 1984 the World-Herald, published at the time by Harold Anderson, had editorialized very heavily against the video gambling industry as a whole and against Schmit personally because of his involvement in the industry and his efforts in the Legislature to protect the industry. Schmit said that he had lost a great deal of money that he had invested in a video slot machine business when the Legislature outlawed the machines in 1984. 



http://law.justia.com/cases/nebraska/court-of-appeals/1993/a-91-836-8.html
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squistion said:
No, but I don't post simultaneously under multiple accounts that have all received suspensions in violation of the FAQ guidelines, like for instance the poster who openly goes by four handles:

Beaver Cleaver

Phase of the Game

Fantasy Football Fairy

FlaVVwed.
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What chapter is that from in your notebook? 

 
squistion said:
From the FAQ pinned at the top of the forum. Either enforce it or eliminate it as a rule - very simple:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/319399-free-for-all-faq/

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Are a pain for moderators. If you feel the need to create extra accounts just for trolling, this message board isn't for you. We see them; we close them. New accounts created in response to having your original account suspended/banned may also be axed.
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SERIOUS BUSINESS™

 
But it does cut to the crux. Anarchists on the extreme right and far, extreme leftists think that spying on criminals and foreign foes = planting a bug on a private citizen's phone. Those people are at least consistent. It's the Trump Republicans and conservatives who are contorting themselves into painful positions all for one man that is excruciating to watch.

 
RBM said:
Dear lord. Never change man. 
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Sooooooo...no answer?

No one here or anywhere credible is saying that the Russians rigged the election. All of our intelligence agencies have said they interfered to help Trump.

But saying they rigged the election is silly.

 
squistion said:
No, but I don't post simultaneously under multiple accounts that have all received suspensions in violation of the FAQ guidelines, like for instance the poster who openly goes by four handles:

Beaver Cleaver

Phase of the Game

Fantasy Football Fairy

FlaVVwed.
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Instead of #####ing about all these alias accounts not being banned (which you can't control) why not take matters into your own hands and ignore them all.

 
squistion said:
From the FAQ pinned at the top of the forum. Either enforce it or eliminate it as a rule - very simple:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/319399-free-for-all-faq/

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Are a pain for moderators. If you feel the need to create extra accounts just for trolling, this message board isn't for you. We see them; we close them. New accounts created in response to having your original account suspended/banned may also be axed.
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:lol:

Lighten up Squissy baby

 
David Dodds said:
go with the Bloomberg or the CBS or the Fox story then.  They are reporting it too.  Hate Mike all you want.  The Susan Rice story is real
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Eh, there are some key differences. The MSM reports say nothing about McMaster, which was central to Cernovich's report. And Cernovich excludes Cohen-Watnick from his story. The former is a rival of Bannon's (really his better, which I'm sure Bannon hates), and the latter is Bannon's TS/SCI gopher. The MSM reports also make clear that Rice did not herself unmask anyone and they also make clear that what she did was almost certainly proper because of the rules of unmasking.

Also, on that point wouldn't Rice have had to ask Trump's own Director of the NSA Mike Rogers for permission to unmask? If this is all true and it was improper why hasn't Trump fired Rogers?

 
David Dodds said:
Your real name is Squistion?  
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David, you are a mod.  Please.

No joking, no shtick. Earnest kinda drunk and therefore less inhibited response from a nearly 20 year member of this awesome community.  Please, just step it back a little?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Aside from the fact that the story appears totally manufactured within the WH, one of the big problems with relying on alt-right reporting is not only do Trump fans find out about things weeks to months after they happened, but they also have a startling lack of facts for their theory.  Ok, say Rice unmasked... someone or several names on Team Trump. Then what?
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Yes, say she unmasked...correct me if I'm wrong but that's perfectly normal and expected for someone in her position, right? She's looking at raw intelligence and wants to see everything in context. 

The counterpoint to that as far as I can tell is, she used this information for political purposes? How in the actual #### is this allegation being made? This is only coming to light NOW, well after the election, well after the GOP won the WH and both houses of congress. What's the impact politically? And let's not forget it was Obama's preference not to make public the FBI investigation, though Comey wanted to go public. Obama was so careful to avoid the appearance of politicizing this that he clearly hurt Hillary's chances. How many times did we hear "well gee, one of the candidates is under FBI investigation..." meaning Hillary of course. Now we know Trump's team was engaged in far more nefarious activities and was getting ensnared in incidental surveillance of Russians trying to spread propaganda to get Trump elected. And all Trump is doing now is carrying around a neon sign declaring that fact, in case anyone missed it. And we have Trumpettes saying Rice should be indicted. :lmao:  

The idiocy of this is hard to fathom. This has to be the most incompetent bunch of clowns ever to occupy the WH. And the most embarrassing group of gullible, ill-informed, conspiracy mongering fools happily parroting whatever the usual suspects in the alt-right media are dreaming up today. There's a Trump quote I can hear in my head right now as clearly as the day he said it: "I love the poorly educated". Yeah Donald, we know you do.

 
David Dodds said:
Not like Obama's DOJ was just eaves dropping on Flynn.  They were spying on Trump's transition team, Trump's family, people like Cernovich for the better part of a year.

Beyond inappropriate.  Obama's DOJ refused a Grand Jury investigation over Benghazi and Comey has been a coward regarding the SAPs on HRCs server.  Looking forward to a Grand Jury ruling on these abuses soon.  

Sorry...all out of immunity deals.
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WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THIS?

 
Koya said:
David, you are a mod.  Please.

No joking, no shtick. Earnest kinda drunk and therefore less inhibited response from a nearly 20 year member of this awesome community.  Please, just step it back a little?
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I thought he was being funny.

 
McGarnicle said:
The counterpoint to that as far as I can tell is, she used this information for political purposes? How in the actual #### is this allegation being made? This is only coming to light NOW, well after the election, well after the GOP won the WH and both houses of congress. What's the impact politically?
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See this is the thing. So Obama/Rice get this incredibly powerful political information..... and? They weren't running again. The only political purpose is if it would have served Hillary. So if they wanted it for political purposes then they would have given it to Hillary's campaign.... but we have Podesta's and the DNC's emails from WikiLeaks and we know it's not there. So. Yeah. Completely idiotic.

 
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