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The Trump Years- Every day something more shocking than the last! (10 Viewers)
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AAABatteries
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Yeah - while I care, I can’t say what I really think or I’ll get reported again. I’ve stopped paying close attention - I’m waiting 13 more months and then will vote against him and hopefully he’ll lose.timschochet said:
Hopefully we won’t have a daily circus at that point but the damage will have been done. I won’t vote Republican ever again for anything. I’ll encourage my children to do the same. I’ll remind people they were hoodwinked and for some that’s a decent excuse to have voted for him the first time. For those who choose to do so again I will never look at those people the same way again. I won’t trust them to ever do the right thing in the future. Some people around here like to say what has Trump done that has directly affected you and that would be my answer - his legacy to me is that he’s made me not trust and to disrespect people I’m close to, people I love, people I work with - all because they voted for someone so incompetent and immoral.
The Commish
Footballguy
Will be fun to watch him use the GOP fraud in NC to justify no confidence in the election process. Only Trump would try something that dumb and only Trump supporters would cheer him on thinking it's a good idea.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
It’s not that hard when you have no shame. In his rally last night (mind you, related to a special election needed due to Republican voter fraud), he spent time repeating the lie about millions of “illegals” voting in California. Of course his followers ate it all up as gospel.
Sheriff Bart
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John Bolton the latest to be fired resigned.
ETA
Trump "His services are no longer needed."
ETA
Trump "His services are no longer needed."
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whoknew
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That kind of came out of nowhere.
So ... its a weird feeling. I'm glad Bolton was fired. But terrified to see who he will appoint next.
Sheriff Bart
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
?????????
- 4th National Security Advisor.
if the next Bolton heard was Trump's tweet.
The Commish
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
It's good that Bolton is gone, but I would not put it past Trump to somehow find someone worse. I don't think it is entirely out of the question that someone like Stephen Miller, Seb Gorka, etc. comes in, and, gun to my head on the two, I guess I'd rather take a sidelined John Bolton over that.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I predict Trump will hire himself.
“Who better to advise me than me?”
“Who better to advise me than me?”
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Jackstraw
Footballguy
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Tom Cotton? Yikes!
Edit to say pure speculation on my part. Might be more dangerous than Bolton.
This thing feels like its coming apart at the seams. Pompeo the rapture enthusiast appears to have the reigns right now.
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Not necessarily. His next move is either someone wildly unqualified who will do whatever he’s told or someone qualified but extremely corrupt and power hungry (see AG Barr). Bolton would fall under category two and it’s a good thing he’s gone but Trump might find someone worse or extremely incompetent and leave decisions up to Trump.
ffldrew
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@MSNBC pundits speculate he could head off to run for Senate in Kansas. If he was smart and wants a future he should start running today by resigning as well. The Administration is toxic.
tri-man 47
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
This is what will happen. Trump won’t fill the position just like many others. I’m shocked about the firing though.
msommer
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I guess Trump won't be winning the weatherperson vote:
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WATCH: Members of the National Weather Service's Birmingham office, which tweeted that Alabama would not see impacts from Hurricane Dorian, received a standing ovation at the annual weather association conference.
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WATCH: Members of the National Weather Service's Birmingham office, which tweeted that Alabama would not see impacts from Hurricane Dorian, received a standing ovation at the annual weather association conference.
timschochet
Footballguy
Some good news for a change:
CNN Poll: 6 in 10 say Trump does not deserve a second term
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN)Six in 10 Americans say President Donald Trump does not deserve to be reelected, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, and more now say he's doing a poor job than a good one of keeping important campaign promises.
Overall, the poll paints a picture of a President who has done little to improve negative impressions of him or his work during his time in office. Across several questions asked early in Trump's time in office and asked again now, the poll finds little positive change and deep partisan polarization.
The 60% who say the President does not deserve to be reelected is similar to the 63% who felt that way in November 2017. That outpaces his most recent predecessors at a similar stage in their presidencies. In October 2003, a CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll found that 52% of Americans thought George W. Bush did deserve reelection, and Gallup's polling in 2011 found the share saying Barack Obama did not deserve to be reelected stood in the low 50s.
The President's approval rating remains about where it was in mid-August, with 39% approving of the job he's doing and 55% disapproving. Although any change in the last few weeks has not been large enough to be statistically significant, his disapproval rating is the highest it's been since early February, with approval the lowest since January.
Trump's approval ratings for handling major issues are largely stagnant, with what little movement there is heading in the wrong direction for the President. His approval rating for handling the economy has dipped below 50% for the first time since early this year, and his ratings have worsened at least slightly on foreign trade, foreign affairs and environmental policy.
The President's approval rating for handling immigration has held roughly steady, but the 59% who currently disapprove is numerically the highest since just before last year's midterm elections. A majority (52%) say Trump's policies on immigration do too much to limit immigration to the US, 24% consider them about right and 20% say they do not go far enough.
In one encouraging finding for the President in the poll, there has been a slight increase over the last two years in the share of registered voters who say he deserves to be reelected, from 35% in November 2017 to 39% now. And among those who are most enthusiastic about voting next year, the share who see the President as deserving of a second term is higher, at 43%. Still, even among that group, 55% say he ought not to be reelected.
Compared with early this year, more overall now say that the President has changed the country for the worse. Among all adults, 80% say the President has created significant changes in the country, up from 76% who felt that way in early February. That includes 45% who say the President has changed things for the worse, up from 37% who said so in the survey earlier this year. Thirty-three percent say Trump has changed the country for the better and 2% said the change hasn't been for better or worse or were undecided about what the change meant.
That shift comes mostly from independents and Democrats. Among Republicans, 73% say the President has changed the country for the better -- that stood at 70% in February. Among independents, the share who say Trump has changed things for the worse shifted from 35% in February to 47% now. Among Democrats, that share has increased from 62% to 69%.
Further, 51% say Trump is doing a poor job keeping important promises he made during the presidential campaign and 43% say he's doing a good job. That's a reversal since April, when 50% said he was doing a good job and 46% a poor one. That change comes almost entirely among independents, 51% of whom said he was doing a good job keeping his promises in April, that now stands at 38%.
The President's volatile summer -- including several sudden shifts on policy on guns and trade as well as stubborn defenses of demonstrably untrue statements -- has not led to a worsening of public trust in official communications from the White House. Overall, 71% say they trust only some or nothing at all of what they hear from official White House communications, about the same as the 68% who felt that way in late 2017. Just 9% say they trust almost all of what they hear from the White House, and another 19% say they trust most of it.
Trust in the White House remains sharply polarized along party lines, with a majority of Republicans saying they trust most of what they hear from the White House (58%), while most independents trust only some or less (65%) and a majority of Democrats say they trust nothing at all that they hear from the White House (52%).
Americans are also no more confident now than at the outset of the President's time in office that handing over control of the Trump Organization to his adult sons has done enough to prevent conflicts of interest. In the new poll, 60% say that does not go far enough to prevent those conflicts, about the same as the 62% who felt that way just before the President was sworn in.
Skepticism that the arrangement keeps the President from having a conflict of interest crosses demographic lines, but again, partisans are divided on the matter. Two-thirds of Republicans (67%) say the setup does do enough to prevent conflicts compared with just 30% of independents and 10% of Democrats.
The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS from September 5 through 9 among a random national sample of 1,639 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points. The survey's sample included oversamples of African American and Latino registered voters. Those subsets have been weighted to represent the appropriate share of the overall population, and are not over-represented in the overall results of the poll.
CNN Poll: 6 in 10 say Trump does not deserve a second term
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN)Six in 10 Americans say President Donald Trump does not deserve to be reelected, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, and more now say he's doing a poor job than a good one of keeping important campaign promises.
Overall, the poll paints a picture of a President who has done little to improve negative impressions of him or his work during his time in office. Across several questions asked early in Trump's time in office and asked again now, the poll finds little positive change and deep partisan polarization.
The 60% who say the President does not deserve to be reelected is similar to the 63% who felt that way in November 2017. That outpaces his most recent predecessors at a similar stage in their presidencies. In October 2003, a CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll found that 52% of Americans thought George W. Bush did deserve reelection, and Gallup's polling in 2011 found the share saying Barack Obama did not deserve to be reelected stood in the low 50s.
The President's approval rating remains about where it was in mid-August, with 39% approving of the job he's doing and 55% disapproving. Although any change in the last few weeks has not been large enough to be statistically significant, his disapproval rating is the highest it's been since early February, with approval the lowest since January.
Trump's approval ratings for handling major issues are largely stagnant, with what little movement there is heading in the wrong direction for the President. His approval rating for handling the economy has dipped below 50% for the first time since early this year, and his ratings have worsened at least slightly on foreign trade, foreign affairs and environmental policy.
The President's approval rating for handling immigration has held roughly steady, but the 59% who currently disapprove is numerically the highest since just before last year's midterm elections. A majority (52%) say Trump's policies on immigration do too much to limit immigration to the US, 24% consider them about right and 20% say they do not go far enough.
In one encouraging finding for the President in the poll, there has been a slight increase over the last two years in the share of registered voters who say he deserves to be reelected, from 35% in November 2017 to 39% now. And among those who are most enthusiastic about voting next year, the share who see the President as deserving of a second term is higher, at 43%. Still, even among that group, 55% say he ought not to be reelected.
Compared with early this year, more overall now say that the President has changed the country for the worse. Among all adults, 80% say the President has created significant changes in the country, up from 76% who felt that way in early February. That includes 45% who say the President has changed things for the worse, up from 37% who said so in the survey earlier this year. Thirty-three percent say Trump has changed the country for the better and 2% said the change hasn't been for better or worse or were undecided about what the change meant.
That shift comes mostly from independents and Democrats. Among Republicans, 73% say the President has changed the country for the better -- that stood at 70% in February. Among independents, the share who say Trump has changed things for the worse shifted from 35% in February to 47% now. Among Democrats, that share has increased from 62% to 69%.
Further, 51% say Trump is doing a poor job keeping important promises he made during the presidential campaign and 43% say he's doing a good job. That's a reversal since April, when 50% said he was doing a good job and 46% a poor one. That change comes almost entirely among independents, 51% of whom said he was doing a good job keeping his promises in April, that now stands at 38%.
The President's volatile summer -- including several sudden shifts on policy on guns and trade as well as stubborn defenses of demonstrably untrue statements -- has not led to a worsening of public trust in official communications from the White House. Overall, 71% say they trust only some or nothing at all of what they hear from official White House communications, about the same as the 68% who felt that way in late 2017. Just 9% say they trust almost all of what they hear from the White House, and another 19% say they trust most of it.
Trust in the White House remains sharply polarized along party lines, with a majority of Republicans saying they trust most of what they hear from the White House (58%), while most independents trust only some or less (65%) and a majority of Democrats say they trust nothing at all that they hear from the White House (52%).
Americans are also no more confident now than at the outset of the President's time in office that handing over control of the Trump Organization to his adult sons has done enough to prevent conflicts of interest. In the new poll, 60% say that does not go far enough to prevent those conflicts, about the same as the 62% who felt that way just before the President was sworn in.
Skepticism that the arrangement keeps the President from having a conflict of interest crosses demographic lines, but again, partisans are divided on the matter. Two-thirds of Republicans (67%) say the setup does do enough to prevent conflicts compared with just 30% of independents and 10% of Democrats.
The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS from September 5 through 9 among a random national sample of 1,639 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points. The survey's sample included oversamples of African American and Latino registered voters. Those subsets have been weighted to represent the appropriate share of the overall population, and are not over-represented in the overall results of the poll.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
He's kept more promises than he even made, lots more.
timschochet
Footballguy
@sho nuff
@FF Ninja
@SaintsInDome2006
I am urging you guys and any other Trump critics to stop posting in the Trump 2020 thread. The people who started that thread have written several times that they don't want any critics there. So let them have it. They are not worth having dialogues with any longer; perhaps they never were. They make ridiculous assertions, refuse to back them up, ignore genuine concerns, and spend most of their time trolling. So leave them alone; they're not worth it.
If one of those guys truly wants to have a serious discussion, they'll let us know by coming into this thread or one of the other more specific issue threads.
@FF Ninja
@SaintsInDome2006
I am urging you guys and any other Trump critics to stop posting in the Trump 2020 thread. The people who started that thread have written several times that they don't want any critics there. So let them have it. They are not worth having dialogues with any longer; perhaps they never were. They make ridiculous assertions, refuse to back them up, ignore genuine concerns, and spend most of their time trolling. So leave them alone; they're not worth it.
If one of those guys truly wants to have a serious discussion, they'll let us know by coming into this thread or one of the other more specific issue threads.
timschochet
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
No offense man but don’t you still engage Stealthy? I’ve had to wade through that <redacted> for months and now we are worried about serious discussion?
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timschochet
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The Commish
Footballguy
No....you guys keep giving them the attention in that thread. Otherwise they come out of it and into others and screw them up. Of course, now I am branded as a troublemaker because I wasn't going to let one of them twist my position, so now I am part of the problem apparently. It's all for the better that you guys keep them in there....TIA.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
This latest Russian story is staggering. We had a source close to Putin that basically confirmed everything we suspected about Trump, and then we had to pull him out because Trump couldn’t be trusted.
But the public just yawns...
But the public just yawns...
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
You thrive on instigating. Exposing attitudes? Why they allow you to stir the pot is ridiculous.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It's been evident to me for some time now that the best approach is to ignore. These people need to be worked around, not worked with.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Gr00vus
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah I’m always late to learn my lesson. I trust everybody too much, I think they’re for real. But now I’ve learned.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tim, you're a fan of history, and I think somewhat political science. I don't think any Trump supporter can be convinced of anything policy-wise, in fact I don't think they hold real policy positions. And that's it, that's the phenomenon. It's a rejection of policy, expertise, facts, journalism. I personally think it's interesting to observe and try to understand what's going on, because 1. it's dangerous, to this country and our allies, and 2. this is real live history that's going on. My hope is that this is temporary, an historical delta wave, and not a realignment. Considering the fact that we are living through these "interesting times" as the Chinese put it I think it's best we should use this amazing tool to see what's happening.timschochet said:
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Checks watch ... Taco Tuesday still not over.
moleculo
Footballguy
This is it. It's very interesting, and I don't really understand it. A few days ago, in the"Wikipedia is biased" thread, I went down a rabbithole on conservapedia and stumbled on "Best of the Public". In a nutshell, the author believes that in nearly all areas, you get better results from the public at large vs trained experts in a particular field. He cites a number of examples, of course, but it doesn't take much to shoot holes in nearly every case.
Anyway, this philosophy allows for the outright rejection of anything derived from a recognized expert: politics, economics, religion, climate, military strategy, etc. It's really a quite dangerous phenomenon and pretty much the opposite of everything I believe.
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