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The way I see it, the Chargers have to move (1 Viewer)

Despyzer

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I am immensely dissatisifed with everyone who looks to be available at #19 in regards to the Chargers. There are certain to be plenty of good players out there when their pick comes up, but none that really address any of San Diego's needs. Sure, none of the top WRs may even be selected yet by that time, but I don't see that as their greatest position of need.

What they need is a good CB and OT, but the guys worth taking in the top twenty will all be gone and the next level of talent at that position should be available twenty picks later.

I don't see them being able to move up high enough to select Ferguson, but Justice could be within their range (and he's already been brought in for a visit).

I like Jimmy Williams, but the trend is to grab CBs early in the draft lately. I doubt he will be there. I'm not sold on Tye Hill or Jonathon Joseph (even though I live in South Carolina). Youboty seems like a reach at 19 (especially if Hill is still on the board).

Please, tell me I am justified in this thinking or offer me some encouragement that everything will work out well if the Bolts stand pat.

 

T Man

Footballguy
I am immensely dissatisifed with everyone who looks to be available at #19 in regards to the Chargers. There are certain to be plenty of good players out there when their pick comes up, but none that really address any of San Diego's needs. Sure, none of the top WRs may even be selected yet by that time, but I don't see that as their greatest position of need.

What they need is a good CB and OT, but the guys worth taking in the top twenty will all be gone and the next level of talent at that position should be available twenty picks later.

I don't see them being able to move up high enough to select Ferguson, but Justice could be within their range (and he's already been brought in for a visit).

I like Jimmy Williams, but the trend is to grab CBs early in the draft lately. I doubt he will be there. I'm not sold on Tye Hill or Jonathon Joseph (even though I live in South Carolina). Youboty seems like a reach at 19 (especially if Hill is still on the board).

Please, tell me I am justified in this thinking or offer me some encouragement that everything will work out well if the Bolts stand pat.
The problem is what the Chargers would have to give up to move up. Justice would likely cost them their 2nd rounder (if not more). Too much. Dropping down would be a good call. Adding a 2nd or 3rd rounder in this draft and picking up a 2nd tier OT (McNeil, Winston), 2nd Tier LB or 2nd tier CB (Hill, Joseph, etc.) would seem to be the better course.

 

doughboydeluxe

Footballguy
Moving down from 19 could be a difficult road to hoe because of how similar many of the players in that range are. A lot of the teams from 15-20 may be looking to move down, but unless a team behind them has some player that they are way higher on than how most people view them, it could be difficult for teams in that range to move down.

 

GregR_2

Footballguy
I am immensely dissatisifed with everyone who looks to be available at #19 in regards to the Chargers. There are certain to be plenty of good players out there when their pick comes up, but none that really address any of San Diego's needs. Sure, none of the top WRs may even be selected yet by that time, but I don't see that as their greatest position of need.

What they need is a good CB and OT, but the guys worth taking in the top twenty will all be gone and the next level of talent at that position should be available twenty picks later.

I don't see them being able to move up high enough to select Ferguson, but Justice could be within their range (and he's already been brought in for a visit).

I like Jimmy Williams, but the trend is to grab CBs early in the draft lately. I doubt he will be there. I'm not sold on Tye Hill or Jonathon Joseph (even though I live in South Carolina). Youboty seems like a reach at 19 (especially if Hill is still on the board).

Please, tell me I am justified in this thinking or offer me some encouragement that everything will work out well if the Bolts stand pat.
As a Texans fan, I'm not sure that both those 2nd tier OTs will be there at 2.1. Pick 20 might be the early side of taking them, but I'm not sure how far back I would trade and feel I could still get one if that is what your goal is. CB might be another matter.
 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
I dunno I think 19 is fine, I would like us to take any of the following at 19:

Jimmy Williams

Ty Hill

Cromartie

Manny Lawson

Ernie Simms

Chad Jackson

Santonio Holmes

 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Cromartie is the pick. He'll come right in and make an impact in the nickel, and start opposite Jammer once he works into playing shape and gets some experience.

 

Despyzer

Lousy Attention Whore
I dunno I think 19 is fine, I would like us to take any of the following at 19:

Jimmy Williams - I'd be happy with this, but doubt he will be there.

Ty Hill - I'm not sold on this guy at all.

Cromartie - Too risky with this pick.

Manny Lawson - I guess I would be pleased with a DE/OLB to play opposite Merriman. Is he worth this pick?

Ernie Simms - This would be okay too

Chad Jackson - The team has bigger needs and where was this guy in college? Workout warriors make me nervous.

Santonio Holmes - Is this guy any better than the WRs they already have? If not, why blow a pick on him?
 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Every first round pick is risky. If Cromartie was healthy, he'd go top 5.

Take advantage of the injury AJ. Please.

 

HeirCoryell

Footballguy
Every first round pick is risky. If Cromartie was healthy, he'd go top 5.Take advantage of the injury AJ. Please.
I agree that his injury is probably a blessing in disguise for the Bolts and that the Chargers should grab him if he is still there.
 

aposulli

Footballguy
I dunno I think 19 is fine, I would like us to take any of the following at 19:

Jimmy Williams

Ty Hill

Cromartie

Manny Lawson

Ernie Simms

Chad Jackson

Santonio Holmes
Funny I just did a mock and had these guys going 11 (Williams), then 13-15 (Hill, Sims, Cromartie, Jackson)...I gave the Chargers Holmes but Lawson fell to the Bengals.

 

Maurile Tremblay

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Winston Justice could fall to #19. (Gosselin has the Chargers passing on him at #19 in his latest mock, where he goes #23 -- link).

Antonio Cromartie could be the pick.

I really don't think they'll take a WR. They could take a linebacker. They had Chad Greenway in for a private workout last week.

 
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Despyzer

Lousy Attention Whore
Every first round pick is risky. If Cromartie was healthy, he'd go top 5.

Take advantage of the injury AJ. Please.
I agree that his injury is probably a blessing in disguise for the Bolts and that the Chargers should grab him if he is still there.
From what I have been hearing Cromartie = Phillip Buchanon.
 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Winston Justice could fall to #19. (Kirwan and Gosselin both have the Chargers passing on him at #19 in their latest mocks, where he goes #25 and #23, respectively -- Kirwan, Gosselin).

Antonio Cromartie could be the pick.

I really don't think they'll take a WR. They could take a linebacker. They had Chad Greenway in for a private workout last week.
Who do you want them to take? Which direction would you go if your last name was Smith?
 

Despyzer

Lousy Attention Whore
Winston Justice could fall to #19. (Gosselin has the Chargers passing on him at #19 in his latest mocks, where he goes #23 -- link).

I really don't think they'll take a WR. They could take a linebacker. They had Chad Greenway in for a private workout last week.
I sure hope you are right about Justice. Greenway might not be a bad choice either.
 

Maurile Tremblay

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Winston Justice could fall to #19. (Kirwan and Gosselin both have the Chargers passing on him at #19 in their latest mocks, where he goes #25 and #23, respectively -- Kirwan, Gosselin).

Antonio Cromartie could be the pick.

I really don't think they'll take a WR. They could take a linebacker. They had Chad Greenway in for a private workout last week.
Who do you want them to take? Which direction would you go if your last name was Smith?
I haven't scouted any of the prospects personally, so I'll leave the details up to AJ and his staff.But as an overall gameplan, I'd really like to see the OL be the focus of the draft this year. We could use a starting LT and LG. And if we got a starting RT as well, we could move Olivea inside. So OL is a huge need, with CB being second. Depth at linebacker would help as well. And another huge DT to spell Jamal.

For a team that's looking to make the playoffs, the Chargers still have an awful lot of holes to fill.

 
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Despyzer

Lousy Attention Whore
I haven't scouted any of the prospects personally, so I'll leave the details up to AJ and his staff.

But as an overall gameplan, I'd really like to see the OL be the focus of the draft this year. We could use a starting LT and LG. And if we got a starting RT as well, we could move Olivea inside. So OL is a huge need, with CB being second. Depth at linebacker would help as well. And another huge DT to spell Jamal.

For a team that's looking to make the playoffs, the Chargers still have an awful lot of holes to fill.
I agree wholeheartedly with almost everything you said... except for that secondary last year was atrocious. The Chargers lost five games last year on blown third-and-long plays alone. Fixing that HAS to be job one.
 

Maurile Tremblay

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I agree wholeheartedly with almost everything you said... except for that secondary last year was atrocious. The Chargers lost five games last year on blown third-and-long plays alone. Fixing that HAS to be job one.
The McCree signing should help a bit.If they can re-sign Jamar Fletcher, that'd also help a bit. If they don't re-sign Fletcher, they are extremely thin at the CB position. But at least they have two passable starters, which is more than you can say at OT if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).

 
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tommyGunZ

Footballguy
if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
:eek: I know he was still in a boot a month ago, but I thought he was progressing normally and would be ready for the beginning of TC.

If he's not able to return, the Chargers have their work cut out for them. Jordan is a nightmare at LT.

 

The Duff Man

Footballguy
Protecting a young QB is priority #1. I love them moving down and picking up Winston or McNeil with pick #1 then addressing the secondary in Round 2 (assuming Justice is gone).

If they are forced to stand pat I would roll the dice with Cromartie.

 

Despyzer

Lousy Attention Whore
But at least they have two passable starters, which is more than you can say at OT if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
Okay, that's really scary. I guess I hadn't heard that it was nearly that bad. Maybe AJ can pick up another Olivea in the 7th round. :thumbup:
 

Maurile Tremblay

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if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
:eek: I know he was still in a boot a month ago, but I thought he was progressing normally and would be ready for the beginning of TC.

If he's not able to return, the Chargers have their work cut out for them. Jordan is a nightmare at LT.
I think he's still in a boot right now, and will miss all of the offseason mini-camps. The rumor I heard from a guy who won't tell me his source, but he's been right on medical stuff in the past, is that Oben's plantar surgery was not for plantar fasciitis, but for a completely torn plantar fascia -- the connective tissue at the bottom of the foot was torn off the bone. The surgery was to reattach the tendon, but (unlike a torn muscle) it will never re-generate, and is career-threatening.The Chargers are supposedly remaining quiet about this publicly until after the draft.

I hope the rumor is false.

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
:eek: I know he was still in a boot a month ago, but I thought he was progressing normally and would be ready for the beginning of TC.

If he's not able to return, the Chargers have their work cut out for them. Jordan is a nightmare at LT.
I think he's still in a boot right now, and will miss all of the offseason mini-camps. The rumor I heard from a guy who won't tell me his source, but he's been right on medical stuff in the past, is that Oben's plantar surgery was not for plantar fasciatis, but a completely torn plantar fascia -- the connective tissue at the bottom of the foot was torn off the bone. The surgery was to reattach the tendon, but (unlike a torn muscle) it will never re-generate, and is career-threatening.The Chargers are supposedly remaining quiet about this publicly until after the draft.

I hope the rumor is false.
Well if this is true, a rookie tackle isn't gonna step in and be very productive right away. And I blame AJ for not going after one in FA.Leander Jordan is horrible and should not even be playing.

 
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Despyzer

Lousy Attention Whore
Well if this is true, a rookie tackle isn't gonna step in and be very productive right away. And I blame AJ for not going after one in FA.
Hardwick and Olivea were pretty decent starters two years ago as rookies. But I agree with you that they should have been much more productive in free agency considering how serious some of their needs are. This is especially true considering how many exceptionally good players they have on that team (and they won't be young forever).
 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
Well if this is true, a rookie tackle isn't gonna step in and be very productive right away. And I blame AJ for not going after one in FA.
Hardwick and Olivea were pretty decent starters two years ago as rookies. But I agree with you that they should have been much more productive in free agency considering how serious some of their needs are. This is especially true considering how many exceptionally good players they have on that team (and they won't be young forever).
They got lucky, and that's not the norm.But ya know what? They could use upgrades over both of those guys right now as well.

 

cstu

Footballguy
I agree wholeheartedly with almost everything you said... except for that secondary last year was atrocious. The Chargers lost five games last year on blown third-and-long plays alone. Fixing that HAS to be job one.
The McCree signing should help a bit.If they can re-sign Jamar Fletcher, that'd also help a bit. If they don't re-sign Fletcher, they are extremely thin at the CB position. But at least they have two passable starters, which is more than you can say at OT if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
I like the secondary after getting McCree. Obviously it would be nice to have more players, but the secondary is young and getting better. I'm not against Cromartie, but I'd rather trade down and get a LT and an extra 2nd or 3rd. Williams would be fantastic, but I'm not sold on Hill. Seems too much like the guy we just traded to the 49ers.
 

cstu

Footballguy
if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
:eek: I know he was still in a boot a month ago, but I thought he was progressing normally and would be ready for the beginning of TC.

If he's not able to return, the Chargers have their work cut out for them. Jordan is a nightmare at LT.
I think he's still in a boot right now, and will miss all of the offseason mini-camps. The rumor I heard from a guy who won't tell me his source, but he's been right on medical stuff in the past, is that Oben's plantar surgery was not for plantar fasciitis, but for a completely torn plantar fascia -- the connective tissue at the bottom of the foot was torn off the bone. The surgery was to reattach the tendon, but (unlike a torn muscle) it will never re-generate, and is career-threatening.The Chargers are supposedly remaining quiet about this publicly until after the draft.

I hope the rumor is false.
:X
 

Gold Plated Nails

Footballguy
Well if this is true, a rookie tackle isn't gonna step in and be very productive right away. And I blame AJ for not going after one in FA.
Hardwick and Olivea were pretty decent starters two years ago as rookies. But I agree with you that they should have been much more productive in free agency considering how serious some of their needs are. This is especially true considering how many exceptionally good players they have on that team (and they won't be young forever).
They got lucky, and that's not the norm.But ya know what? They could use upgrades over both of those guys right now as well.
I agree BSS. Especially on Hardwick, in fact if the team gets a top tackle in the draft, I wouldn't be opposed to moving Olivea to Guard and give Dielman a shot to supplant Hardwick. He gets pushed backwards way too much for my liking.
 

BoltBacker

Footballguy
if Oben can't come back (and I've heard some pessimistic rumors on that front).
:eek: I know he was still in a boot a month ago, but I thought he was progressing normally and would be ready for the beginning of TC.

If he's not able to return, the Chargers have their work cut out for them. Jordan is a nightmare at LT.
I think he's still in a boot right now, and will miss all of the offseason mini-camps. The rumor I heard from a guy who won't tell me his source, but he's been right on medical stuff in the past, is that Oben's plantar surgery was not for plantar fasciatis, but a completely torn plantar fascia -- the connective tissue at the bottom of the foot was torn off the bone. The surgery was to reattach the tendon, but (unlike a torn muscle) it will never re-generate, and is career-threatening.The Chargers are supposedly remaining quiet about this publicly until after the draft.

I hope the rumor is false.
Well if this is true, a rookie tackle isn't gonna step in and be very productive right away. And I blame AJ for not going after one in FA.Leander Jordan is horrible and should even be playing.
Completely agree.SD already looks bad enough letting Brees go to save $ while not adding any players of substance in FA. IF they had picked up an OT/CB in FA then they'd be in a much better position to trade up for Winston Justice but with the FA period they've had I don't really see how they can afford to only get one player for their 1st and 2nd round picks.

 

BoltBacker

Footballguy
But I agree with you that they should have been much more productive in free agency considering how serious some of their needs are. This is especially true considering how many exceptionally good players they have on that team (and they won't be young forever).
Especially considering the cap space they had and the $'s some of those players were going for.
 

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