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They Chicken Little'd Themselves So Badly That We're Stuck With This Monstrosity of a Man (1 Viewer)

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You know who you are. Now you get to deal with it. 

Your hysterics about every Republican led to everybody tuning you out. Now only former Republicans seem qualified to speak, and they get dismissed as RINOs.

It would make me smile if the results weren't so severe. 

Oh yeah, and if you even think you were part of the problem, you were. 

And there's one guy in here who won't think it, but is the biggest example of all of it, and we ALL know who that is, so he oughta shut up. 

 
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AAABatteries said:
Rock, I have no clue what this means.  Can I get a decipher up in here?
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This is really easy. Every Republican was a fascist since Ronald Reagan, and now we've got one at the top and there's nothing that liberals can do to convince Republicans it's not a joke and that Trump really is monstrous. 

It's going to take about ten Liz Cheneys to convince about only 25% of Republicans that this guy is evil. Seventy-five percent? There's no convincing at all. They still remember the hippies from the late '60s and the chaos they caused. They're not going to listen to their ideological descendants. 

No way. Put even more simply, everybody said that fascism was coming with the Republicans, and now everyone is so used to Chicken Little we can't even tell that there really is one at the head of the party. 

 
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rockaction said:
This is really easy. Every Republican was a fascist since Ronald Reagan, and now we've got one at the top and there's nothing that liberals can do to convince Republicans it's not a joke and that Trump really is monstrous. 

It's going to take about ten Liz Cheneys to convince about only 25% of Republicans that this guy is evil. Seventy-five percent? There's no convincing at all. They still remember the hippies from the late '60s and the chaos they caused. They're not going to listen to their ideological descendants. 

No way. Put even more simply, everybody said that fascism was coming with the Republicans, and now everyone is so used to Chicken Little we can't even tell that there really is one at the head of the party. 
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I actually think there is some truth to this. I remember when the City of Santa Monica declared that George W. Bush was a fascist*. The boy who cried wolf….

(* One of my favorite stories, a good friend of mine, extremely liberal woman, attended the Santa Monica City Council meeting when they voted Bush to be a fascist. She raised her hand and said, “You know, I’m not happy with the Iraq War either, but I’d really like to talk about the holes in my street if you don’t mind!”) 

 
timschochet said:
I actually think there is some truth to this. I remember when the City of Santa Monica declared that George W. Bush was a fascist*. The boy who cried wolf….

(* One of my favorite stories, a good friend of mine, extremely liberal woman, attended the Santa Monica City Council meeting when they voted Bush to be a fascist. She raised her hand and said, “You know, I’m not happy with the Iraq War either, but I’d really like to talk about the holes in my street if you don’t mind!”) 
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It’s funny how little things like infrastructure repair really decide elections.  Those are things that we deal with every day.  

 
rockaction said:
This is really easy. Every Republican was a fascist since Ronald Reagan, and now we've got one at the top and there's nothing that liberals can do to convince Republicans it's not a joke and that Trump really is monstrous. 

It's going to take about ten Liz Cheneys to convince about only 25% of Republicans that this guy is evil. Seventy-five percent? There's no convincing at all. They still remember the hippies from the late '60s and the chaos they caused. They're not going to listen to their ideological descendants. 

No way. Put even more simply, everybody said that fascism was coming with the Republicans, and now everyone is so used to Chicken Little we can't even tell that there really is one at the head of the party. 
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It's like Reagan said:  "It's time to restore the American idea that each individual is responsible for his actions."  "When Republicans do bad things, it's all the Democrats' fault."

 
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AAABatteries said:
Rock, I have no clue what this means.  Can I get a decipher up in here?
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1) You can't go after the same guy for 7 years straight and not put him in prison - if the end goal is to win over voters at large. Because the entire Team Blue platform is 'Not Trump'   The average American citizen is a low information voter, they don't know that the impeachments are not criminal trials. They don't understand the basic mechanics of law. They don't deep dive into any public policy. There's a saturation point with blame and rage against Trump. Also it looks tyrannical when the working class is struggling to put food on the table and they are force fed culture war agendas and more Orange/Man/Bad

2) As former Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, points out - You can't dogmatically oppose everything that the GOP supports just because they are Republicans. Because some of that is what the population at large supports. You can't dismiss the things you don't like as mere 'right wing talking points' when those issues are near and dear to rank and file Americans. A lot of the Biden Administration's failures come from being purely contrarian simply because Trump would have done it differently.

3) Too many with Team Blue and their supporters with the loudest voices act, behave, enable, attack and operate like open social and cultural terrorists. Parents don't want their kids taken to drag shows, not the majority of them. You can't tell the working class to eat the pain with inflation and that the real answer is to buy an EV that most Americans can't actually afford, if they can find one, to hope to charge them on a grid that doesn't really help actual climate change overall.

Pareto Principle - A small number of people often make the most disproportionate impact.

I am, at this point, the most outspoken Conservative in the PSF. Lots of people don't like my posts, don't like my analysis, don't like my politics, don't like my formatting, but I'm not an unreasonable person. I say things that will resonate with many every day people.  I do so while under nearly constant attack.

The three most outspoken liberals are all radical leftists and low information voters. The more they source police, gas light, ad hominem attack, personal attack, logical fallacy bomb, sea lion and all the rest, the more they push more people into the Conservative viewpoint . It makes Trump look reasonable in comparison.

I've already started top level thread topics saying I don't want Trump to run in 2024 and I don't want him as POTUS again and our country might be very well better off if he went to prison with an actual legitimate legal pathway there. But all the failures of the Biden Administration and the failures of the core of Team Blue  makes Trump look more and more desirable as a survival option. ( I.E. if we don't vote for him, we might all perish otherwise because these Democrats are incompetent and even more dangerous) Which is pretty sad. How do you get impeached twice, get a proxy for a third informal impeachment, be part of inciting J6, be so heavily outgunned in the 2016 election and still be the favorite contender to take POTUS 2024?

That's less about Trump's appeal and more about the contrast to the utter failures of the cabal trying to put him down and failing again and again.

If the Democratic Party was full of Katie Porters, Trump would never have sniffed 2016 POTUS. But they are not. Instead you get cast of caricatures that terrify the average voter. And if the Republican Party was full of Elise Stefaniks then Trump would not have made it so far for so long.

If you want to know what's wrong with Team Blue, spend some time looking at Katie Porter. She sounds reasonable and she sounds like she has concerns for actual working class people and she sounds like she's trying to find solutions. The further the "brand name " Democrats get from what makes Katie Porter appealing, the more many swing voters will just pick Donald Trump instead.

It can be frustrating in that I suspect more than a very large share of Americans in total want Trump, Biden and Harris all gone from professional politics period by 2024. And yet we might still get Trump Vs Biden 2.0 anyway with the only difference is a new VPOTUS candidate for the GOP and an impeachment for Biden. I can see how that is totally demoralizing to many.

 
timschochet said:
I actually think there is some truth to this. I remember when the City of Santa Monica declared that George W. Bush was a fascist*. The boy who cried wolf….

(* One of my favorite stories, a good friend of mine, extremely liberal woman, attended the Santa Monica City Council meeting when they voted Bush to be a fascist. She raised her hand and said, “You know, I’m not happy with the Iraq War either, but I’d really like to talk about the holes in my street if you don’t mind!”) 
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Don't forget Romney had binders full of women.   Rmoney.

 
Captain Cranks said:
To be fair, you are blaming Democrats for Republican decisions. That suggests you don't have much respect for the average Republican's agency or decision making. 
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He is blaming democrats for independents not listening  to dems.    I think your post proves his points.

 
timschochet said:
I actually think there is some truth to this. I remember when the City of Santa Monica declared that George W. Bush was a fascist*. The boy who cried wolf….

(* One of my favorite stories, a good friend of mine, extremely liberal woman, attended the Santa Monica City Council meeting when they voted Bush to be a fascist. She raised her hand and said, “You know, I’m not happy with the Iraq War either, but I’d really like to talk about the holes in my street if you don’t mind!”) 
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Nice story.   I doubt it.   California  is like heaven.   From what you tell me.   Bad roads?    I doubt it.   If you lived in Michigan  I'd believe u.....not in Midwest roads.   California  roads.   Pure fantasy.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
It's like Reagan said:  "It's time to restore the American idea that each individual is responsible for his actions."  "When Republicans do bad things, it's all the Democrats' fault."
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Katie Porter sounds like a reasonable person you could have a conversation with across two driveways if she was your neighbor. Elise Stefanik sounds like a rational person you could have in the cubicle next to you at work and you can share an honest laugh with at times. Nikki Haley sounds like someone who could be a reasonable boss or manager who won't sweat you too badly if you do your job right. John Fetterman and Wesley Hunt sound like guys you can talk some football with if you both realize you are wearing the same team's gear on in the grocery store.

Gavin Newsom comes off like a guy who would play the President who ordered widespread massacres in The Purge Part 73. Lauren Boebert comes off like someone who would stab a delivery driver for not giving her enough crushed red pepper with her pizzas.

Lots of politicians come off as fake plastic broken down grifters.

If you behave unreasonably, the average voter will assess you as a threat.

No one really paid attention to the Virginia election. Youngkin is a total imbecile. But what did he do? He said whatever parents tell me they want in their schools, I'm going to give that to them .McAuliffe sounded like a fake plastic broken down grifter who kept pushing how bad Trump is and was and that parents don't have a right to have a say in what their kids are taught in public schools. How do you think that ended up?

The more Team Blue, which has most of the practical power in politics now, act like loons, the more Trump looks like safe harbor.

Is Trump a monster? Well, someone who gets a 2nd term has nothing to lose if he goes for broke and just does what he wants. So that part of the issue is troublesome.

People should watch that middling two parter, The Comey Rule again, to get a feel of how lots of establishment Democrats think and operate. Not what's in the film, but how they made the film to appeal to people just like themselves in Hollywood.

 
This is an us problem. Every Dem is a crazed socialist so we end up with a Biden to try and not scare Joe Plumber in Pigsnout, Iowa.

And so it goes. 

 
The General said:
This is an us problem. Every Dem is a crazed socialist so we end up with a Biden to try and not scare Joe Plumber in Pigsnout, Iowa.

And so it goes. 
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Apparently.       And you think every never Trumper is a fascist.    We will see who wins  pigsnout Iowa.   The communists or the fascists

 
rockaction said:
You know who you are. Now you get to deal with it. 

Your hysterics about every Republican led to everybody tuning you out. Now only former Republicans seem qualified to speak, and they get dismissed as RINOs.

It would make me smile if the results weren't so severe. 

Oh yeah, and if you even think you were part of the problem, you were. 

And there's one guy in here who won't think it, but is the biggest example of all of it, and we ALL know who that is, so he oughta shut up. 
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This is such a classic @rockaction post. I have absolutely no clue what any of it means and he could be directly bashing me, yet somehow I still love it. 

 
rockaction said:
This is really easy. Every Republican was a fascist since Ronald Reagan, and now we've got one at the top and there's nothing that liberals can do to convince Republicans it's not a joke and that Trump really is monstrous. 

It's going to take about ten Liz Cheneys to convince about only 25% of Republicans that this guy is evil. Seventy-five percent? There's no convincing at all. They still remember the hippies from the late '60s and the chaos they caused. They're not going to listen to their ideological descendants. 

No way. Put even more simply, everybody said that fascism was coming with the Republicans, and now everyone is so used to Chicken Little we can't even tell that there really is one at the head of the party. 
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Do you think that Democrats are more likely to say Fascism is coming with the Republicans, or  Republicans saying Communism is coming with the Democrats?

Before Trump came to power, most Dems were critical about Republicans love for the wealthy and big business.  They were also critical of the war hawks. I don't recall a whole lot of talk about Fascism.

 
The General said:
If people believe all this they will keep selling it to us. 

That Republicans picked Trump is not the Dems fault though. Thats a whole load of bull####. 
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Trump jumped in front of the tea party.    Maga isn't trump.   Maga is tea party.   

Saying bush was Hitler.  Romney was a woman hating  fascist led to trump.     You think we would have an Uber capitalist by now.   Coo koo

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Do you think that Democrats are more likely to say Fascism is coming with the Republicans, or  Republicans saying Communism is coming with the Democrats?

Before Trump came to power, most Dems were critical about Republicans love for the wealthy and big business.  They were also critical of the war hawks. I don't recall a whole lot of talk about Fascism.
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Or democrats are naturally  scientific  fascists?.   

 
Chaz McNulty said:
Do you think that Democrats are more likely to say Fascism is coming with the Republicans, or  Republicans saying Communism is coming with the Democrats?

Before Trump came to power, most Dems were critical about Republicans love for the wealthy and big business.  They were also critical of the war hawks. I don't recall a whole lot of talk about Fascism.
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Demo are the party upper middle class intellectual  whites.

 
quick-hands said:
Trump jumped in front of the tea party.    Maga isn't trump.   Maga is tea party.   

Saying bush was Hitler.  Romney was a woman hating  fascist led to trump.     You think we would have an Uber capitalist by now.   Coo koo
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Obama and Clinton were called socialists...Dems go the most boring middle of the road candidate they could muster, Joe Biden.

Bush called a Fascist, warmonger ...Republicans go with this orange huckster nightmare from a hacky TV show.

How is this the Dems fault. Stop projecting this crap on us :lol:

 
For those missing the point, he's basically saying it's 'boy who cried wolf' for the dems.  That they spent so much time calling rational conservatives 'fascists' that now that they have an actual fascist (Trump) wielding power no one will listen to those 'fascist' calls anymore.

But it's silly, imo.  The extreme of either side will always exaggerate.  That a guy like Romney was a 'fascist' was a cry of the extreme left, not the mainstream left.  The problem here is that the hardcore conservatives are the biggest babies in the world (the epitome of snowflakes), so they'll find any random crazy lefty and blow it out of proportion like every moderate democrat walking down the street feels the same way.

Meanwhile the mainstream right has adopted the extremity of the extreme left.  We have a group of guys here that would consider themselves rational conservatives that all agreed in a thread that they don't believe Trump thinks he was cheated out of the last election and admit that he was just trying to illegally retain power, but that they would still vote for him in the next election because the left "is just that evil" and "will destroy our country if they remain in power".  Talk about absurdism.  Doctors are all liars getting paid by the government to misreport.  Teachers are hidden communists whose true motive is to train the next generation to be a bunch of drag queen socialists.  These are not fringe opinions on the right.

If the left enabled Trump by crying too much wolf then someone could re-animate Stalin and he would seem like a small fry next to the bogeyman the mainstream right has concocted of the average democrat.

 
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quick-hands said:
Trump might be president  again....thanks nutty left.    I really want trump to go away.    But I'll vote for him over any democrat who would expand the Supreme  court.
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This is the stuff I'm talking about.  The right is "worried" about the left violating the spirit of the law behind the supreme court layout while operating within the technicalities of the law to tilt it in their favor, which is LITERALLY WHAT THE RIGHT JUST FINISHED ACTUALLY DOING.  Meanwhile the left controls all three branches and has not even made the tiniest move in that direction.  And if they did it would be wildly unpopular in the party.  While stacking the courts with the "we can't confirm a new justice when an election is 10 months away oh wait we need to confirm this justice when an election is 1 month away" spirit-of-the-law-violation-that-was-technically-legal was overwhelming popular on the right.

 
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FairWarning said:
I remember a number of team blue suggest if you didn’t vote Obama,  you were a racist.  It spilled over to Hillary.  If you didn’t vote for her, you hated women.  
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What percentage of Democratic voters held these positions, in your estimation? More than 5%?

I posit this: Rock’s take on this is wrong. The bigger problem is how Republican voters think Democratic voters feel. They overestimate and errantly react.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Just curious, in your estimation, what percentage of Obama voters in 2012 thought Romney was a Nazi?
 
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Remember when this fringe figure said that Mitt Romney wanted to bring back chattel slavery?  

(CBS News) DANVILLE, Va. -- Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday told a diverse crowd here, including many African-Americans, that presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney would "put you all back in chains" by unshackling Wall Street.

Biden told more than 800 ticketed supporters that Romney wants to repeal the financial regulations enacted after the Wall Street crash of 2008. "He's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules - unchain Wall Street!" Biden said. Then he added, "They're going to put you all back in chains" with their economic and regulatory policies.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-tells-african-american-audience-gop-ticket-would-put-them-back-in-chains/

(I picked this particular link because CBS is just trying so hard to cover for him here -- it's adorable, like watching a little kid play with a loaded handgun.)

 
Juxtatarot said:
What percentage of Democratic voters held these positions, in your estimation? More than 5%?

I posit this: Rock’s take on this is wrong. The bigger problem is how Republican voters think Democratic voters feel. They overestimate and errantly react.
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Have you ever stopped to ask yourself to what degree our views on the blue tribe have been informed by interacting with blue tribe members in this forum?  Not you personally.  But it would be trivially easy to find examples of blue tribe members playing the "if you don't vote for my candidate you're a racist misogynist" card from just this week.  TGZ graced us all with a few of those in at least two different threads (Sesame Street / President Harris) and I'm sure we can find more if we go looking for them.  

(I tend to either let this stuff go or just poke fun at it because what do I care if a stranger from the internet thinks my reference to ghosts is racist somehow?  But that doesn't mean we're not listening and remembering.)

 
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Juxtatarot said:
What percentage of Democratic voters held these positions, in your estimation? More than 5%?

I posit this: Rock’s take on this is wrong. The bigger problem is how Republican voters think Democratic voters feel. They overestimate and errantly react.
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All it takes is vocal leaders and influential SM blowhards like Jemele Hill, damage done.  

 
If the rule is that a party has no choice but to nominate someone who represents the other side's worst caricature, why have we yet to see a Kenyan-born Muslim Communist as the Democratic standard-bearer?

 
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djmich said:
Is this a reference to the easy availability of guns?  Stuffing ballot boxes?
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I have no idea. You'll have to ask QH. Apparently there is some mysterious force compelling him to enter the voting booth and pull the lever for Trump against his will.

Or maybe it does have to do with guns, as in the ones Democrats are putting to his head to force him to vote for Trump.

I just wish we lived in a world where people had free will to vote for whoever they wanted, and were in turn responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. But alas.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
I have no idea. You'll have to ask QH. Apparently there is some mysterious force compelling him to enter the voting booth and pull the lever for Trump against his will.

Or maybe it does have to do with guns, as in the ones Democrats are putting to his head to force him to vote for Trump.

I just wish we lived in a world where people had free will to vote for whoever they wanted, and were in turn responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. But alas.
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Everyone would be in jail then, unless you have voted for a perfect card.

 
Soooooo, the party of personal responsibility isn't personally responsible for their actions. 

Republicans:  You have that baby. It was your decision to have sex, you live with the consequences.  

                         You shouldn't get government assistance. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

                          Guns aren't the problem. It's the people who shoot who are the problem.   

Also Republicans:  Those people made me vote for bad orange man.

 
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FairWarning said:
All it takes is vocal leaders and influential SM blowhards like Jemele Hill, damage done.  
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But this is where the problem - singling out an extreme and assuming that's characteristic of the party.  That would be like me assuming everyone that voted for Trump was a white supremacist.

And I get it - Fox leads you guys down this path everyday as this is their tactic 

 
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