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THIS IS THEIR BEST SONG! - Music Draft - Saturday Night's Alright for iFighting (9 Viewers)

Chaos Commish said:
He was at Staples Center for both NBA games yesterday. It's the coolest thing that only happens a couple times a season. Watched football at my buddy's between games. Annnd, left my phone at home. Oops, I left in such a hurry by the time I noticed I was without my phone, turning back would have cost me the first half of the Laker game instead of half of the 1st quarter. At least it seems my pick made it to the overnight break. But my bad. I do hate making people wait for me. It's almost an obsession in real life. Love being punctual and punctual people. I think the energy drinks required to drive home after 1am are making me ramble. Ask me anything. What's my pick? Good question.

Scrolling the sheet first, just in case. 

Can't wait to read the 12 pages I missed today.

So, the three or four I think could be sniped survived. Now how to order them? I guess back to TripHop. There will be more. I'm not a huge fan of Beth Gibbons' variety of voices. A popular one is her evil gravelly mean voice. Another is a big over-powering "pop" voice. At least a lot of pop singers sing like that. Both are featured on perhaps their most popular track, Glory Hole, which I guess would be considered chalk here. There's a bunch of competition for best song though. 

For me, seeking chill sultry downbeat ambient bla bla bla, it's the first song they ever recorded. Another one of Beth's voices, the one I really really like, seems to channel Sade and could be described as modern torch singing. My pick and maybe the best example is:

4.27 Portishead - It Could be Sweet

Now I get to read what all happened here today. Insomnia isn't always a bad thing, but feel free to skip me for round 5. Pretty sure I will sleeping if this moves fast.
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So hard to go wrong with that first album...pretty even and fantastic top to bottom. I'm partial to Wandering Star and Glory Box as they're a bit more uptempo.

Was it you that took Massive Attack Angel? Another one I love. And a bigger catalog than Portishead, so tougher to cull out. I bought the Bue Lines cassette somewhere in backwoods Utah during a cross country road trip (with PJ 10, only because a friend was dating the bassist), and that album and songs stayed as favorites past their next great albums for purely sentimental reasons.

I always liked it, but Angel really grew on me for it's use in Snatch and probably jumped in front of Blue Lines material for me. I've since gotten hooked on Paradise Circus- a similar vibe to Angel- and probably would've picked that.

 
I don't know much Doves music, I don't think. Did they have that "Down By River" (I know I have to be wrong on the title) back in the 90s? I liked that one.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
In my experience it’s a woman thing as well. 
 

p.s. The Smiths have 6.5MM monthly listeners on Spotify.
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Never said anything about their current popularity. It is just no one has yet to show any figures from the 80s from any source that tracked popularity (such as sales, radio station airplay or what DJs were playing in clubs). All of the claims here have been personal anecdotes.

 
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I wasn't kidding about "Walking With A Ghost," though. I really like both versions of that song, though it seems Jack White owns everything he does. Even his other covers, which will remain out of the spotlighting.

 
rockaction said:
You're intentionally saying that Strunk & White sounds like the name of a trap music act from 2012? That's what I got out of it. I would have gone with a British grime act if I heard that name. Maybe that's Binky's confusion. 

For reference, I've included this

https://www.complex.com/music/2012/12/the-10-best-trap-tracks-of-2012-2/2-major-lazer-original-don-flosstradamus-remix

Crunk & White would be my former alter ego, btw.
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Thanks - with you guys now.  I love the british grime act piece in there especially.

yeah, the whole "trap scene" flew by me - I had zero clue - lol

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Some of us had friends, had conversations, went to parties, etc.

Some of us looked at data.

It's all good.
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Some of us listened to the radio where, like in L.A., The Smiths got a ton of airplay on alternative rock station KROQ and were probably among the popular bands for that station.

Some of us and their friends bought Smiths records (I bet I got a half dozen 12" UK singles which I don't think were issued this country - or maybe they were but I wanted to get them when they first came out). 

Some of us also followed the sources that tracked actual popularity. 

Some of us were only aware of what went on in their college bubble.

It's all good. 

 
squistion said:
Some of us also followed the sources that tracked actual popularity. 
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I was making a joke because you were being kind of condescending and dismissive of the "anecdotal" evidence.

I think the disconnect is that no one thinks they were a Top 40 radio band or that they were "mainstream" in middle America, but to act as if they were largely unknown is disingenuous - and you're so dug in on being "right" that your acting as if people were calling them the biggest band in America.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
squistion said:
Some of us also followed the sources that tracked actual popularity. 
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I was making a joke because you were being kind of condescending and dismissive of the "anecdotal" evidence.

I think the disconnect is that no one thinks they were a Top 40 radio band or that they were "mainstream" in middle America, but to act as if they were largely unknown is disingenuous - and you're so dug in on being "right" that your acting as if people were calling them the biggest band in America.
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discounting all of what Dr said... which I agree completely with.

...or the dismissiveness of "anecdotal" evidence as being something only shared in a college bubble with friends (rather than seen and experienced in the world at large where Smiths posters and music were omnipresent in radio-stations, music stores, movies, clubs, and anywhere music was seen and heard outside of the top 40).

the assertion that a band, who by your empirical-only evidence, increasingly charted every one of their albums in a foreign country is still a small indie band confined to college bubbles... seems counter-intuitive and a bizarre stand to make.

the realm of bands who never chart, or chart once and disappear- that's the realm of indie, small bands. or maybe that's just me, and if it's not Journey or Michael Jackson, it's a small indie band.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I was making a joke because you were being kind of condescending and dismissive of the "anecdotal" evidence.

I think the disconnect is that no one thinks they were a Top 40 radio band or that they were "mainstream" in middle America, but to act as if they were largely unknown is disingenuous - and you're so dug in on being "right" that your acting as if people were calling them the biggest band in America.
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I never said they were "largely unknown" as they were well known in certain circles, like to people like me who listened to alternative radio stations such as KROQ here in L.A. or to those who listened to college radio stations.

However, they were not hugely popular in this country and all the data backs that up. I speculate that a lot of it had to do with their abbreviated career (it is true that Morrissey and Marr didn't get along but a lot of UK bands have been able to overlook such dissension if they were making money from their fan base on this side of the pond) 

 
Binky The Doormat said:
rockaction said:
You're intentionally saying that Strunk & White sounds like the name of a trap music act from 2012? That's what I got out of it. I would have gone with a British grime act if I heard that name. Maybe that's Binky's confusion. 

For reference, I've included this

https://www.complex.com/music/2012/12/the-10-best-trap-tracks-of-2012-2/2-major-lazer-original-don-flosstradamus-remix

Crunk & White would be my former alter ego, btw.
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Thanks - with you guys now.  I love the british grime act piece in there especially.

yeah, the whole "trap scene" flew by me - I had zero clue - lol
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:lol:   love that we worked that out.

 
Binky The Doormat said:
when does the morning clock start?  
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I think Pip's has run and I think he's in and out the next few days, actually and that he said something about it. The clock started at eight or ten EST, I believe. Either way, it's eleven EST and almost definitely past time, I think. But I'm not making that call right now because I'm not positive.

 
rockaction said:
I think Pip's has run and I think he's in and out the next few days, actually and that he said something about it. The clock started at eight or ten EST, I believe. Either way, it's eleven EST and almost definitely past time, I think. But I'm not making that call right now because I'm not positive.
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Yeah, I thought it was 10 EST, but I think we can safely say Pip has timed out.

 
Not sure how one can't sound like an ####### bringing that up, but I marvel at it. Sort of like how Denver and San Diego were both fine, AFC Champions, but got absolutely trucked by superior 49ers teams.

The Bills are like the 49ers, only in reverse!

 
Yup, I know the US sports system isn't set up for it, blah blah, but relegation is the one area that European soccer is far superior to American sports.

Also, I've got my two picks ready, I think.  Need to make sure they're available  :scared:

 
El Floppo said:
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the assertion that a band, who by your empirical-only evidence, increasingly charted every one of their albums in a foreign country is still a small indie band confined to college bubbles... seems counter-intuitive and a bizarre stand to make.

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Yes, they did, although I don't find that particularly impressive and I don't believe I characterized them exactly as a "small indie band confined to college bubbles."  I noted their popularity on an alternative radio station in L.A. that I listened to (and someone mentioned the same for a station(s) in SFO and The Bay Area).

Here is the Billboard Top 200 peak chart position for their pre-breakup studio LP releases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths_discography

The Smiths - #150

Meat Is Murder - #110

The Queen Is Dead - #70

Strangeways Here We Come - #55

The first two LPs failed to crack the Top 100 and the last two missed the Top 50, which suggests that, at best, they were only a modest success. They have become more popular over the years since their demise which tends to some revisionist history as to the extent of the US following in their heyday. 

 
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