tombonneau
Footballguy
Once again, really like what I see out of SF D. Under and points were clear play.
No clue the deal with Rawls. Carson looked to get every touch I saw.
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Thomas Rawls, RB, CMU/Seahawks (1 Viewer)
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No clue the deal with Rawls. Carson looked to get every touch I saw.
zoonation
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'll be selling on the cheap to the Carson owner this week. Not that he looked that impressive, but addition by subtraction. Can't wait to divest of shares of Seattle running game.
thatguythere
Footballguy
On 9/16/2017 at 2:31 PM, SameSongNDance said:
No one but me bid on Rawls.
Me too.
No one but me bid on Rawls.
Me too.
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JIMGET
Footballguy
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I agree 100%
I'm not dropping him after 5 carries. Yes Carson looked strong on his 20 carries this week...but according to Stinky Pete he wanted give Rawls just a few carries & ease him back in.
Weebs210
Footballguy
JAMES!
Footballguy
Typical Pete Carroll speak. He talked up Lacy after the game too. With that guy you have to ignore what he says and watch what he does. Rawls didn't play much because he looked bad and was clearly outplayed. If Rawls looked great there wouldn't have been much easing back in. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten 25 carries but he surely would have gotten more than 5.
Absolutely agree. He looked horrible. And after what Carson did the writing is on the wall. The party is over for rawls.
ROFL. I guess all those great games he's had are erased because of 5 bad carries coming off an injury. Thank God you aren't coaching the Cowboys, you'd definitely cut Zeke Elliott after yesterday's horrendous performance. And he was 100% healthy.
Perhaps they're erased because his body won't allow him to have them anymore? I'm not saying he's done or has no chance at regaining the starting job or anything, but he did run for a 3.2 ypc last year, was an UDFA and is constantly banged up, so let's not compare him or the situation to Zeke...
His injury history is well known at this point. It's the reason Seattle took on Eddie Lacy. And if injuries have permanently made Rawls a lesser back, than I imagine the Seahawks will cut ties with him. They have medical experts who apparently don't think that's the case yet. My point is, he had five carries yesterday. The people wanting to write his obituary are Carson owners hoping he's done.
biju
Footballguy
And Seahawks fans who are sick of Rawls getting hyped up, having a couple of great games, and then getting injured and we have to go back to the drawing board. I'd take consistency over flash, crash, and burn.
This. Laughable to compare an UDFA that has been more injured than playing in his career to a bonafide stud 1st rd Rb whose team built their offense around. So dumb.
You're really off base. I don't own Carson I own rawls. Unfortunately. I wish I owned Carson. Rawls is healthy. He was healthy last week and could have played. Carroll held him back BC he's made of glass and wanted to make sure he was healthy before playing him. That's the truth.
He knows eddie lacy is horrible. And he didn't know why he hs in Carson yet. So in his mind rawls was his main back for 1st and 2nd down.
But rawls looked bad in this game and Carson looked fantastic (especially given how horrifically bad that o line is). Carroll is no idiot. He knows he's got a guy like Carson running hot. He's got practically nothing invested in rawls. He's going to go with the guy that will be productive. Period.
Now, am I saying that Carson will be the main back all year and rawls won't get another shot? Nope. What I'm saying is that it's now carson's job to lose.
I think you're a rawls owner who hs wishful thinking. I hope you're RT BC I own him too in dynasty. Think he's a decent back. Nothing special. But he runs violently and can create a bit on his own. But he's very injury prone and he's being outplayed by a rookie.
He's a dynasty hold to see if next season he lands on a team as the starting back in a better situation imo.
Nothing about Rawls looked the same yesterday on his 5 carries. Say what you want about how that's not a real work load, he showed none of that battering ram running he had 2 years ago. And blame the line all you want, someone else got it done where he didn't. That would make Carson some combination of healthier, luckier, or better. He'll still get some carries but if he can't flash on 5 carries, he'll never get the job back because that is probably the most he will get without showing some reason to give him the ball (barring injury of course).
mnmplayer
Footballguy
When Rawls hit the scene a few years back in 2015 I was on board and enjoyed the ride ... and it *WAS* a good one, although brief and later in the season where he had fresher legs than his opponents. The following two years he has not shown the same to start the season. It might be he is not back to where he was physically, it might be because he is now facing fresh legs early in the season on the defense, it might be because there is now tape on him and defenses know what to look for. It might be all of the above.
Bottom line he has not performed to start either 2016 or 2017 seasons, and Carson is showing a lot more in 2017. He put the SEA team on his back in a close game where nothing was working for SEA. He most likely won the hearts and minds of his coaches and team after that win yesterday. Back that up with his performances to date and I think its obvious who is going to take the lead role.
Bottom line he has not performed to start either 2016 or 2017 seasons, and Carson is showing a lot more in 2017. He put the SEA team on his back in a close game where nothing was working for SEA. He most likely won the hearts and minds of his coaches and team after that win yesterday. Back that up with his performances to date and I think its obvious who is going to take the lead role.
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Perhaps it's also the reason they drafted Carson?
FTR, the medical experts just decide whether someone is healthy enough to play, not what role they should have. That's up to the coaches, and as of today it's pretty clear what they've decided. It could change tomorrow or next week, but I think you're way overselling just how good Rawls is/has been. His situation is really nothing like Zeke's, so it was a silly comparison.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Did Rawls get hurt this week? Or just Carson outplayed him? Curious, I thought I saw Rawls blow a pass protection..
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Chris Carson’s seizure of No. 1 status in Seattle. It only took one game for Carson to make Eddie Lacy a healthy scratch. For the second, he zoomed past Thomas Rawls on the depth chart, almost single-handedly preventing the Seahawks from suffering an embarrassing defeat at the hands of the 49ers. Pro Football Focus charted Carson as out-snapping Rawls 51-16. He out-touched him 21-5, and out-gained him 100-4. The performance came after coach Pete Carroll said earlier in the week that he was “anxious to see more” of his seventh-round back. He wasn’t the only one, as some of Carson’s teammates reportedly believed he “should have been the guy all along.” We’re guessing he will be going forward.
per Rotoworld
per Rotoworld
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Good post, I saw that Rawls whiff and am guessing that is part of the issue. Any RB in the NFL is going to piss the coaches off with that stuff, and in a real meritocracy like Seattle...
Enforcer
Footballguy
To me this is myopic. Running backs stats are way more often the product of opportunities provided by good offensive line play. Carson didn't blow open the holes on that last drive. RG Glowinski and RT Ifedi found it in themselves to give Carson a chance. They pretty much sucked balls for the first three quarters, but did the work to put the game out of reach way more than Carson did. Who got on who's back? That said, our opinions count for naught. The coaches know this and grade players based on more of team perspective. They could care less which player got the fantasy points.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Are people dropping him yet ? Collins cleared waivers today, wondering if I should drop Rawls for him. Not sure how much Prosise injury effect him at all really
I'm debating this exact move myself. Other option would be to drop Chris Johnson for Collins.
I'm actually thinking of dropping Johnson and keeping Rawls, on the notion that a) Rawls has the higher ceiling if things work out, and b) it's a long season and things change.
ATB
Footballguy
Wouldn't this bode better for Carson as the team performed well when he stayed on the field? Certainly looked like it kept the defense on its toes more.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I agree about the long season thing and that's why I'm also debating it in my mind. Carson seems to get an immediate uplift from Prosise being injured, but it also potentially increases the share of the pie for Rawls. Carson is ahead just now, but with Lacy seemingly out of the picture, and Prosise week to week, the path has become a little clearer for Rawls. It's not like he's stunk the joint up like Lacy, he's just not fully had the chance yet.
Id obviously prefer to have Carson right now, but things can change quickly at the RB position and Rawls might be a clever hold just now, just to see how the next couple of weeks play out.
This is an extremely rose colored view of things. Rawls has had the same amount of carries and Lacy this season and got 1 more yard. Rawls is just sad bad as Lacy, maybe worse when you consider that Rawls has had more experience in the system and a whole offseason of practice. Also Rawls has never played a whole season and has never finished with 1k yards or +10 TDs. If you're still holding Rawls, it's because you are emotionally invested in trying to see him succeed and not for any logical reason. Lacy would be a better hold at this point but neither of them are worth it unless your roster is deep
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TartanLion
Footballguy
I'm not emotionally invested, more probably down to just a lack of knowledge to be honest. We are debating between keeping Rawls or Collins. Collins arrow is pointing up but could still be blocked by Allen who received a lot of work across the first two weeks and did pretty well with that. West is not good and fumbled in London, but remains present.
If Carson and West both got season ending injured this coming weekend, it's arguable that Rawls would have the door left wider open for him than Collins would currently. It's really just semantics and hypothesising potential future situations.
Having said that, your post is noted. The very topic has come about because I'm strongly considering dropping Rawls for Collins. Was just essentially trying to form an argument for the other side in my last post.
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I trust you're smart enough to realize what Rawls (or any RB) has done with 5 carries is utterly meaningless.
If you want a logical reason to hold Rawls, you only need to look back a few games, to the Seahawks' wildcard game against Detroit last January: 27 for 161 and a touch... and a dominating win for the Seahawks.
Seems logical to me that the team might want to try that formula again. In fact by their words and actions, it's clear they do: they pretty obviously want to be a physical, run-first team. The only question is which RB they feel is the best fit. Right now it looks like it's Carson. That could change.
Rawls is a stud when fully healthy. Lacy is a lazy bum who could have been a great player but didn't have the discipline to control his weight. It all depends on how Rawls is recovering. He's young. If he's permanently lost a step, then he may never materialize into what he could have been. If he fully recovers, we've all seen what he can do.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
From Rotoworld, FWIW:
Coach Pete Carroll said the Seahawks will give J.D. McKissic an opportunity to fill C.J. Prosise's role as the pass-game back in Prosise's (ankle) absence.
It has become really hard to trust much of what Carroll says these days after he continued to talk up Eddie Lacy and Thomas Rawls for months, but the McKissic thing makes some sense. Chris Carson already has early downs sewn up in Seattle, and it's unclear if the Seahawks want to load up his plate anymore with Prosise out. Lacy and Rawls can't play in the pass game, and McKissic caught 289 passes at Arkansas State. It's unclear how good he is as a pass blocker.
Source: Liz Mathews on Twitter
Sep 27 - 4:02 PM
Sounds like the Rawls and Lacy ship has sailed....
Coach Pete Carroll said the Seahawks will give J.D. McKissic an opportunity to fill C.J. Prosise's role as the pass-game back in Prosise's (ankle) absence.
It has become really hard to trust much of what Carroll says these days after he continued to talk up Eddie Lacy and Thomas Rawls for months, but the McKissic thing makes some sense. Chris Carson already has early downs sewn up in Seattle, and it's unclear if the Seahawks want to load up his plate anymore with Prosise out. Lacy and Rawls can't play in the pass game, and McKissic caught 289 passes at Arkansas State. It's unclear how good he is as a pass blocker.
Source: Liz Mathews on Twitter
Sep 27 - 4:02 PM
Sounds like the Rawls and Lacy ship has sailed....
tombonneau
Footballguy
Whenever I think of dropping in dynasty I just think back to that game. He has the skills, just a matter of health.davearm said:
TartanLion
Footballguy
Woops. Feel incredibly guilty over Carson as I clearly brought about his downfall. Wondering who should be cursed next.
Should be interesting to see how this backfield plays out with Carson out of the picture. 2015 Rawls would be awesome. Bracing for 2016 Rawls... or even more of 2017 Rawls.
In games with 30 or more snaps:
13.8 PPG (standard) in 2015 (6 games)
6.4 PPG (standard) in 2016 (6 games)
In games with 30 or more snaps:
13.8 PPG (standard) in 2015 (6 games)
6.4 PPG (standard) in 2016 (6 games)
thatguythere
Footballguy
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll seemed to hint Thomas Rawls will be the lead back with Chris Carson (ankle) sidelined
"With Chris being banged up, we’re so fortunate to have Thomas ready to jump back out there," Carroll said. "We’re just lucky that we have a guy like that who’s ready to go and is healthy and all that
"With Chris being banged up, we’re so fortunate to have Thomas ready to jump back out there," Carroll said. "We’re just lucky that we have a guy like that who’s ready to go and is healthy and all that
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Link?
The last article I read about this situation was that he was very happy with the way Eddie Lacy played in the game.
