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Thoughts OnThe Current NFL Weekly Game Schedule - Thur - Sun - Sun Night - Monday Games? (1 Viewer)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It goes all the way down to 3 during some bye weeks, slows down Redzone for sure.
nittanylion
Footballguy
It has nothing to do with the matchups, it's the quality of the football being played. Wish it would go away.
Skipdog77
Footballguy
I watched about 5 mins when it was like 6-0 or something, could feel my will to live draining from my body, and then turned on NHL preseason hockey.
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hockey
Chaka
Footballguy
This week it's three and there aren't any byes. Last week it was three. It's typically only three games and two of them are usually bad matchups.
Dallas @ Rams - if you just look at the markets it looks great in paper, but the reality is it's Cooper Rush vs the reeling Rams.
SF @ Carolina - the Nielsen rating on that one is going to be south of Mr. Blutarsky's GPA.
Philly @ Arizona is the only mildly compelling matchup and that's only if the Card(s)-iac Kids 2.0 don't get run out of the building.
And this is probably one of the better weeks.
There are nine early games this week (plus one in London). There has to be a reason they don't move one or two to the afternoon window.
Chaka
Footballguy
And whatever that reason is, it's objectively terrible.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This week both the Charger game and the Seattle game would have made more sense in the later window, instead of making them start at 10am their time.
Monday nights are a fixture now and players seem to enjoy the spotlight
Sunday night games I'm cool with and enjoy
I didn't like the idea of Thursday games from the get go. Players and coaches do not seem to like them much either.
I don't have any numbers but the quality of the games as a whole seems below par for The NFL product and the injury rate seems to be higher in these games.
But it's all about money,not player safety so the Thursday debacles will continue. If I had a vote,I'd vote to eliminate them.
Play some Monday Night doubleheaders instead
Sunday night games I'm cool with and enjoy
I didn't like the idea of Thursday games from the get go. Players and coaches do not seem to like them much either.
I don't have any numbers but the quality of the games as a whole seems below par for The NFL product and the injury rate seems to be higher in these games.
But it's all about money,not player safety so the Thursday debacles will continue. If I had a vote,I'd vote to eliminate them.
Play some Monday Night doubleheaders instead
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
It’s not about points scored for me. It’s the level of play. Week 2 was a pretty good game. The other 3 haven’t been that great. And as a stand alone game, it sticks out more. On Sunday, if I’m watching some clunker of a game, I can switch games. I just think that all the lost prep and recovery time shows in the level of play on TNF.
Chaka
Footballguy
It’s not about points scored for me. It’s the level of play. Week 2 was a pretty good game. The other 3 haven’t been that great. And as a stand alone game, it sticks out more. On Sunday, if I’m watching some clunker of a game, I can switch games. I just think that all the lost prep and recovery time shows in the level of play on TNF.
There are a lot of points scored in the Pro Bowl too.
If you're not enjoying it on Thursday you can also switch to something else or go play fetch with your dog or something.It’s not about points scored for me. It’s the level of play. Week 2 was a pretty good game. The other 3 haven’t been that great. And as a stand alone game, it sticks out more. On Sunday, if I’m watching some clunker of a game, I can switch games. I just think that all the lost prep and recovery time shows in the level of play on TNF.
People are acting like they're being forced to watch something they don't enjoy. Having that game on a Thursday takes nothing away from your Sunday, and nothing away from your Thursday.
Why perfect? Less NFL money? Less things to do on Thursday night? Less games to focus your attention on on Sunday?
Apple Juice
Footballguy
True, but the topic is what people think about having the Thursday night game. Yes we all play fantasy and will watch a game if it is on. Personally I would prefer to move Thursday night games to Sunday or Monday, for the players' safety and the sake of watching quality football.If you're not enjoying it on Thursday you can also switch to something else or go play fetch with your dog or something.It’s not about points scored for me. It’s the level of play. Week 2 was a pretty good game. The other 3 haven’t been that great. And as a stand alone game, it sticks out more. On Sunday, if I’m watching some clunker of a game, I can switch games. I just think that all the lost prep and recovery time shows in the level of play on TNF.
People are acting like they're being forced to watch something they don't enjoy. Having that game on a Thursday takes nothing away from your Sunday, and nothing away from your Thursday.
In terms of players safety, I'm with you there. But I'd like to see some statistics on injuries in Thursday games vs Sunday games? Do you know for a fact more players get injured Thursdays?
In terms of quality football, again, the myth that the Thursday games are lower scoring or not as exciting has been disproved many times. You'd get the same result of scores and 'quality football' if you just chose to showcase the 4th Sunday game alphabetically each week and looked at all those games.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
If you enjoy well played football, it‘s less enjoyable.If you're not enjoying it on Thursday you can also switch to something else or go play fetch with your dog or something.It’s not about points scored for me. It’s the level of play. Week 2 was a pretty good game. The other 3 haven’t been that great. And as a stand alone game, it sticks out more. On Sunday, if I’m watching some clunker of a game, I can switch games. I just think that all the lost prep and recovery time shows in the level of play on TNF.
People are acting like they're being forced to watch something they don't enjoy. Having that game on a Thursday takes nothing away from your Sunday, and nothing away from your Thursday.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
doesn't directv get paid no matter what? why would they care?
Chaka
Footballguy
Well, they pay too but I presume like most media companies they want the most earballs for the longest period possible.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
my guess is one of 2 things:
The 4:00 window is the premium ratings spot and the networks don't want their ratings diluted there.
The combined ratings of west coast city at 10am and eastern city at 1 are still greater than west coast city at 1 and eastern city at 4.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
does directtv get a portion of the ad revenue?
Chaka
Footballguy
No idea. This is an online forum, I'm just saying things because I can.
And why do you think Thursdays are less well played football? That's not true.
Injury rate is actually not higher. Safety is not an issue.
Here's everything you need to know in detail.
It's all in people's heads.
Scoring is just as high on Thursdays as other days of the week.
Injuries are no more common on Thursdays than any other days of the week.
harvardsportsanalysis.org
It's all in people's heads.
Scoring is just as high on Thursdays as other days of the week.
Injuries are no more common on Thursdays than any other days of the week.
Thursday Night Football: Better Than You Think
Thursday Night Football has been portrayed as “the ultimate sacrifice”, but it is actually better than fans and players think. No matter how entertainment is defined, whether in terms of scoring, t…
harvardsportsanalysis.org
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Here's everything you need to know in detail.
It's all in people's heads.
Scoring is just as high on Thursdays as other days of the week.
Injuries are no more common on Thursdays than any other days of the week.
Thursday Night Football: Better Than You Think
Thursday Night Football has been portrayed as “the ultimate sacrifice”, but it is actually better than fans and players think. No matter how entertainment is defined, whether in terms of scoring, t…
Not sure I agree with their "entertainment metric" or how they define safety.
Seems hard to quantify the safety aspect since players' nagging injuries may get more injured but still don't appear on the injury report. Turned ankles get worse, bruises become more sore, guys just get beat up more without ample time to recover. This seems like it'd be even worse late in the year. Also would be interested to see how severity of injuries factors in moreso than quanity per the injury report.
And if you can't see that the level of play isn't as crisp I don't know what to say. Sure sometimes there's a good game on Thursday or a bad game on Sunday. But even the one good game this year Chiefs/Chargers didn't feel like they were at the top of their game. There were some points and it was close - and Herbert made a stunning throw after getting hurt - so that could qualify as a "good game" according to the metric, but it still felt a bit sloppy, like it could have been better.
Chaka
Footballguy
Do you watch the Pro Bowl every season?Here's everything you need to know in detail.
It's all in people's heads.
Scoring is just as high on Thursdays as other days of the week.
Injuries are no more common on Thursdays than any other days of the week.
Thursday Night Football: Better Than You Think
Thursday Night Football has been portrayed as “the ultimate sacrifice”, but it is actually better than fans and players think. No matter how entertainment is defined, whether in terms of scoring, t…
Well seems like you guys have your opinion made up and will dig your heels in despite that research and info.
Chaka
Footballguy
Wat? Honest question. Do you watch the pro bowl? Do you think it's quality football?
The only point is telling telling me two games had the same score doesn't really tell me much about the quality of those games.
The biggest argument against Thursday has nothing to do with game quality or score. As I mentioned in my initial post, the players hate it and that's enough for me to want to scratch it.
No I don't watch the pro bowl, and comparing the pro bowl to an NFL game is dumb.
Honest question... did you even read the article? And are you ever able to have an open mind?
Yesterday's game was rough. Overall if you average all the Sunday games and all the Thursday games, there's little to no difference in points, closeness of games, or injuries.
The players hate the London games too.... should we scrap those? They also hate practices... let's get rid of that too.
Chaka
Footballguy
Players negotiate practice schedules with every CBA, they don't get a say in Thursday night games. And I doubt they would scrap it even if they had the opportunity because it grows the revenue stream. They understand the risks when they choose this profession. But that doesn't make it a good decision to play those games.
I did read the article and I don't care. Not my problem or concern.
I'm not going to argue with a study from an Ivy league school,but I will offer this,I live 5 doors down from an ex NFL player,he was an offensive lineman for many years
and an All Pro for many of those years. He's said when he played he could barely get out of bed on Monday morning and on Tuesday his entire body was still sore. He retired before Thursday games became an every week thing,but said when he had play on Thanksgiving,and he played 5 Thanksgiving games,he felt he was no where near physically what he was with a normal weeks rest.
And after the Thursday game it would take him twice as long to feel pain free. Players hated it. Coincidently last Sunday on NFL Live several ex players doing the show said the exact same thing.
Maybe the study shouldn't be about the Thursday game itself but with the short and long term effects on the players body. in having to play a game when their body isn't ready to play it.
I get those things for sure, and I'm sure he was being honest and does have some great points. I do think medicine and healing times have slightly improved over the last 20 years since he's been playing though (TNF started 17 years ago), and linemen probably take a lot more physical toll than other players, but am not saying what he says is irrelevant at all.... Heck, I'm not even sure a full week is enough for players to recover though, and that is a whole other story about the punishment that these players take on their bodies that they maybe shouldn't be. My main point was that I really enjoy TNF even when it's a bad game, because it's an extra game I get to see as a fan when I wouldn't get to watch that game on a Sunday (or I could, but I'd be missing other games). And there's some big fallacies around TNF not being as good of a product, being lower scoring, having more injuries, having worse matchups, etc that a lot of people have spent a lot of time researching and disproving. But again, most of the times on these boards once someone is dug in, they won't let any info change their opinion. Either way, TNF is here to stay and I'm pretty happy about it.
shadrap
Footballguy
this is me. love seeing football on Thursday. so cool if your in fantasy. IMHO
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Pretending that Thursday Night Football is anything but a money grab by the owners is even more dumb.
But not as dumb as pretending "points scored" is equated to either "quality of football being played" or in any way takes the safety of the players into account. That's just about the pinnacle of dumb.
If this is honestly your best argument for Thursday Night Football..... stop now, you win. Please don't respond to this post. Players that are more injured with less time to prepare lead to a higher quality of play. Just look at the scoreboard. Check and mate.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
You’re a peach.
I already spelled it out. Less prep time for the coaches and players. plus less recovery time for the players. More or less guarantees a lesser product on th3 field.
Doug B
Footballguy
And someone else upthread proposed two bye weeks per team. A 19-week schedule readily accommodates a TNF schedule featuring only teams coming off of byes:
WK 1 - 2 teams (play Thurs night game of week 2)
WK 2 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 3)
WK 3 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 4)
WK 4 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 5)
WK 5 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 6)
WK 6 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 7)
WK 7 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 8)
WK 8 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 9)
WK 9 - 2 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 10)
WK 10 - 2 teams (play Thurs night game of week 11)
WK 11 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 12)
WK 12 - 6 teams (the six teams playing Thanksgiving, wk 13)
WK 13 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 14)
WK 14 - 2 teams (play Thurs night game of week 15)
WK 15 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 16)
WK 16 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 17)
WK 17 - 4 teams (two of these play Thurs night game of week 18)
WK 18 - 2 teams (play Thurs night game of week 19)
WK 19 - none
If the thought of teams having byes as early as weeks 1-3 is a problem, you simply move those TNF games to other weeks and have a few TNF double-headers. Heck, could even make Wednesday Night football a thing since all the teams are coming off of byes.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
And it's almost always the Cowboys Redzone locks in on
You're actually complaining about a 'money grab'? What do you think the entire league and everything they do is? Or any business is? It's to make money, and it's to make more of it. That's what the NFL is there to do... make money. Calling it a "money grab' in a derogatory way doesn't make sense.
Ok, if you don't want to use points scored, what measurable metric would you like to use to equate to "quality of football being played?". Don't just say "it looks bad" or "they're dropping passes"... Give me tangible numbers or statistics that you think show Thursdays are any worse 'quality of football played" than another day of the week. I'm sure you won't and you'll just say "oh it looks bad, anyone can see that... they drop passes"
I never said it was higher quality... I said it was the same, or close enough to the same that they shouldn't drop it. There's zero correlation between injuries and playing on Thusdays. If you have more statistics on this than the Harvard study, then I'm sure we'd be happy to read. But this is another thing I'm sure you won't be able to quantify.
I actually like this. I think NFL teams should have two byes, I'm just not sure how they work that in to their current time frame. Would it be better to start in August or have an extra regular season week in cold January?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I don't like TNF for several reasons:
1. The player safety issue is real. I like Doug's suggestion above that every team playing on a Thursday should be coming off of a bye. People smarter than me can figure out the details.
2. It throws an unnecessary wrinkle into fantasy team management. There's no "skill" that can be learned to adapt to it as a team manager.
3. Most of all, it's inconvenient to ME as a viewer. I never watch it because it doesn't work well with my schedule, not even when the team I root for is playing (same with SNF & MNF). That's purely selfish on my part - I honestly do not care if other people enjoy TNF - but there ya have it.
1. The player safety issue is real. I like Doug's suggestion above that every team playing on a Thursday should be coming off of a bye. People smarter than me can figure out the details.
2. It throws an unnecessary wrinkle into fantasy team management. There's no "skill" that can be learned to adapt to it as a team manager.
3. Most of all, it's inconvenient to ME as a viewer. I never watch it because it doesn't work well with my schedule, not even when the team I root for is playing (same with SNF & MNF). That's purely selfish on my part - I honestly do not care if other people enjoy TNF - but there ya have it.
DropKick
Footballguy
The game wasn't meant to be played on three days rest. We see players, who are dinged up, miss the Thursday game when they might have been able to play a few days later. There is also less time to prepare from a coaching perspective, plus the travel time for the visiting team. Let's call it what it is - a money grab. Overall, I think it has led to a lesser product.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
hate. The Thursday night game needs to go. And only one mon night football game. And no London games on Sunday morning. The enjoyment is having it all packed into a tight window.
They are chasing money from Tv contracts. Nothing more. But it works for the owners who by the way don’t care at all about you the fan or the players. They might want to win but what they really want is their franchise to be worth more and more.
They are chasing money from Tv contracts. Nothing more. But it works for the owners who by the way don’t care at all about you the fan or the players. They might want to win but what they really want is their franchise to be worth more and more.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dang, missed the poll.
I’m mixed on it. The caliber of play has a lot to do with the matchups, and sometimes the schedule looks great on paper but terrible on the field (ala this week’s fiasco)
As a fan & FF player I love TNF. Shorter break between games - just enough to get my football Jones on.
So yeah - I’m torn. I don’t love the hypocrisy of the NFL’s alleged emphasis on player safety contradicted by having people play football on 3.5 days rest.
I’m mixed on it. The caliber of play has a lot to do with the matchups, and sometimes the schedule looks great on paper but terrible on the field (ala this week’s fiasco)
As a fan & FF player I love TNF. Shorter break between games - just enough to get my football Jones on.
So yeah - I’m torn. I don’t love the hypocrisy of the NFL’s alleged emphasis on player safety contradicted by having people play football on 3.5 days rest.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
All that I need to know is that YOU think there is no difference in the risk of injury to an NFL player who plays 2 games over the span of 5 days as opposed playing 2 games over the span of 7 days. If that is your position it's fine.
I actually think NFL players should play 3 games over the span of 30 days. That's my position. I think we would see better played games with players better rested and fewer players playing injured, and fewer backups forced on the field. In the case of Tua you have more days to evaluate him before deciding whether he's ready to play or not. Call me crazy. If that doesn't make any sense to you.... I can live with that.
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