Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (2 Viewers)

[shredhead]

You're right, this guy will never make it in the NFL.

Steve Young was one of the most cerebral and consistent QB's ever. The guy could read defenses and throw with the best of them. Nice try....

Steve Young was definitely a freelancer. And he was consistent. What is it about Newton and Tebow that you think makes them unable to be consistent at any future point of their careers?

Athleticism will only take you so far. The other intangibles; the ability to read defenses, accuracy, consistency and playing within a game plan are what is needed to be successful. Newton and Tebow are two big atheletic QB's who over a period of time will be game planned by the opposing defenses and will eventually have to have the other intangibles, and in my opinion that is where they will fail. Michael Vick is the ultimate athletic QB. He should have annihilated this league, but he is lacking the intangibles. Again this is my opinion and will only be supported/or not over time.

I have seen/read many arguments stating why Tebow will not be a successful NFL QB. You are the first one I have seen take the stand that Tebow won't be successdful because he doesn't have the intangibles. Are you sure this is the stance you want to take? If it is, it really makes me want to ignore everything you say. Most people are arguing that Tebow's intangibles are the only reason he has gotten as far as he has, but I guess you know better.

 

[thatguy]

When I see something in the 1st 3 Q's then I will consider changing my tune. When a team is winning on late game heroics, it doesn't bode well for them. Also,once there is enough film, it can go south fast. See Josh Freeman. See Bradford. Right now, he is terrible. Block out the 4th Q vs prevent Ds (tebowners need not try) watch the play, and ask yourself if you want this guy leading your team.

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I think this is a pretty important question and I wanted to take some time to answer this. I agree - I'm not happy with the level of play thru Q1-3 and I want to see 60 solid minutes of football before I'm ready to go all in...I think Elway wants to see the same thing too. I will also agree that the way the Broncos have been winning is not sustainable year after year.

There are a number of factors that lead the Broncos to have success almost exclusively a the end of a game. I don't think one can empirically say exactly what it is, just identify possible causes and that's what I'm aiming to do here.

[*]I once had a coach say that the way you beat a better opponent is to keep it close and win in the end. keep it conservative, keep the score low, don't make any mistakes, and then go all out at the very end. I think that is exactly what Fox is doing. I also happen to think that is how Reeves played Elway back in the day; it was good enough to take the Broncos to 3 SB's, so IMO it's a proven strategy.

[*]Fox has claimed that the Broncos get out to a slow start because teams by now have film on the Broncos, but the Broncos don't have film on how other teams will defend them. Essentially, when you are running a unique, one-off offense, you are at a disadvantage, everyone knows what you want to do but you don't know what they want to do. It may take a half or more to figure this all out.

[*]I think that the way you beat Tebow and option-based offenses is actually simple - play disciplined, assignment football. If players stay home, read-option will not work, that much is simple. Further, if DB's stay on their man instead of peeking into the backfield, guys won't be wide open. If coaches stick to what has been working, it will continue to work. However, late in games, I say discipline breaks down. Players are tired - more likely to play off of instinct instead of maintaining responsibilities. Coaches start doing silly things like abandoning 8 in the box defenses in favor of deep cover-2.

[*]Broncos run a power offense, which will eventually tire a defense down (ref: Hairy Snowman's post). This is compounded by playing home games at 5280' elevation. Further, when Broncos go no-huddle, defenses don't get a chance to rotate out.

[*]A change in Broncos personnel groupings and strategy when the game is on the line. It seems that thru Q1-3, Broncos run lots of 2TE, 2 RB sets - power football. Tebow only throws on third and long - not really a good passing situation, no? The Fox offense is run, run, throw if you have to...it's really pretty predictable, and may not be suited exactly to Tebow's (or any QB's, for that matter) strengths. It may be a good way to win football games, but not pad stats. There are folks out there right now crying that Elway/Fox continue to run this offense deliberately and consciously to sabotage Tebows development, and harp on Tebow's early game throwing situations incessantly. (go to orangemane.com if you want to see proof...couple of gator homers are ruining thread after thread complaining about this). On the other hand, in Q4, Denver goes to a spread - 3WR, 1 RB, one other WR or TE, and ask Tebow to win out of the shotgun. This is the personnel grouping that Tebow thrived with in Florida and really does play to his strengths. Take a fish out of water, he flops. Put him back in, and watch him swim! This article has better detail of what I'm trying to say.

[*]Some folks thrive under pressure, some folks fold. Tebow may be the most clutch player in pressure we have seen come along since Joe Montana. I'm talking about specifically Tebow's ability to elevate his own play in the face of adversity.

[*]As much tactics as there is in football, it is an emotional sport too. People feed off of each other. People inspire each other. I truly believe that Tebow makes his teammates play harder, Elway basically said as much earlier today. When guys are in the huddle and see Tebow, they believe. If you believe, you can do. Defenses feed off of this as well. They know that if they can give Tebow a chance, he will come thru.

[*]Conversely, opponents feel the opposite. By now they know that the Tebow comeback is almost inevitable, and play scared. When you play scared, bad things happen.

[*]Dumb luck.

Well, that's all I've got for now. I'm not saying the answer to your question is all of the above, or none of the above, or any combination thereof. These are just some possible reasons for the late-game dramatics in attempt to rationalize what appears to be irrational.

Very The only thing I would add.

Speaking strictly about the Chicago game, the WR play really was awful for the first 3 quarters. I'm not saying this has been the case all season--but it was quite obviously the case this past Sunday. And given that the running game was completely ineffective, it's near impossible to sustain drives and put up a gaudy statline with little to no help from your WR's.

This is easy to say, for every drop pass there's a thrown pass into the nosebleeds, so they're even. If anyone has proven to feed off of Tebow's energy it's Thomas, he stepped up late in the MIA, MIN, and CHI miracles.

I'm referring to one game--please show me where Tebow threw the ball into the nosebleeds against Chicago. And regardless, I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said anyway. The bottom line is there were at least 5 dropped passes, including a long dropped TD.

The Tomas thing came to me mid-sentence, had nothing to do with nothing. He sailed about 2-3 that was nowhere close to Thomas, If I watch the game again I'll let you know, but every qb in the league deals with dropped passes(see: Manning, Eli).

The Broncos had 6 dropped passes that game. There are 13 guys in the NFL with at least 7 drops meaning they're averaging at least 1/2 drops each game. The next 13 guys are averaging less than that.Let's assume the Broncos have receivers who drop a lot more than any other team. We'll say the top 2 WRs, the top TE and the top RB all average 1/2 drops per game. That's an average of 2 drops each game. This would be if the top 4 targets drop more than just about anyone. So yes, if people are talking about Tebow's completion percentage for a particular 3 quarter period of a game that had an obscene amount of drops then it should matter.

If it helps Victor Cruz has 7 drops and Jake Ballard has 5 those are the leaders on the Giants. I can't find a complete list but I think it's fair to assume that the Giants have averaged 3 or less drops/game. Cruz + Ballard have caught more than 1/3 of Eli's completions and account for 12 drops. Figure everyone else has the same drop rate and that would put the Giants around 35 or so drops in 13 games. There are clearly guys with lower drop rates so it should be a lower amount than the 2 2/3 drops/game that I'm extrapolating anyway. I'd guess with guys like Nicks (more than 20% of Eli's completions with less than 5 drops) the Giants probably average around 2 drops/game.

Either way when people are saying Tebow was 3/16 in the first 3 quarters to put his performance down and the receivers had 6 drops in those 3 quarters (possibly 5 not sure if the 6th came in the 4th). Then it is an important consideration.

I'm not sure what any of this actually means. I'm a fan of Tebow, I'm just stating for every drop there was a uncatchable pass out of bounds or one on one opportunities he passed up in the first 3 quarters. Chi was his best game as a passer this year though it could have been better w/o the drops, particularly the deep ball on the money to Thomas, but that's football.Most of Eli's ints last year were not him making stupid mistakes, close to half of them were his receivers fault. This year drops cost the sf game, whatever game cruz let it bounce off his chest, and almost the dal game with Manninham. Thomas came threw in the clutch, Excuse me for giving any other Bronco some credit. It's not fair to compare Tebow with anyone because of the coverges he see's. He played a great game but I won't make out to be more than what it was by manipulating statistics.

We're not manipulating statistics. We're simply saying that in this particular game, the statistics don't tell the entire story. Yes, all QB's have to deal with drops and mistakes by their WR's. But 6 dropped passes in 3 quarters, one of which was a sure TD, are not the norm for any QB, which was the point of my original post. The fact that you continue to bring up "uncatchable passes out of bounds" shows me that you're missing the point. All QB's throw incompletions last I checked. Yes, Tebow does throw more than the average QB at this point in his career, and this has never been debated. Also, don't go the route of other posters by saying that simply because we praise or defend Tebow, we are failing to share the credit. No one is doing that. Everyone who has posted in this thread in defense of Tebow acknowledges that the Denver Broncos, and not simply Tim Tebow, are winning these games. It just so happens, though, that Tim Tebow is an integral part of the Denver Broncos.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Here's a game: Match the QBs to the scouting reports!#1

Though accurate, lacks top pass placement and has receivers extending vertically to pull the ball out of the air. Must improve his accuracy down the field. Lacks top footwork releasing the ball off a three step drop. Lacks pocket stature.

#2

Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws

#3

He is a mobile quarterback with good quickness, agility, and awareness. He has a solid throwing motion, and he displayed fantastic accuracy. He has the athletic ability to be a threat running the ball as well as throwing it. He is also a very intelligent quarterback who reads defenses well and makes good, quick decisions. He has a tremendous work ethic on the field as well as in the film room, and he displays good leadership qualities. He has good, quick footwork, sound mechanics, and a high release point.

#2 Philip Rivers? I remember hearing he would struggle because of his side-arm throwing motion.

Good guess, but wrong. But you're "close."

#2 - Brees? He absolutely played in the spread at Purdue. The rest of it seems silly now, but that is the point of the post so it kind of makes sense if it is true.

I think that excerpt from the scouting report on Brees was accurate. Well, not the sidearm part. Brees has always had a high release point. But he did lack accuracy on his deep throws when he came out of college. He's improved quite a bit in that regard since then.

 

[cstu]

I think that excerpt from the scouting report on Brees was accurate. Well, not the sidearm part. Brees has always had a high release point. But he did lack accuracy on his deep throws when he came out of college. He's improved quite a bit in that regard since then.

People tend to forget how average Brees was in SD his first three years. It all clicked in 2004 but by then they already had Rivers.

 

[Two Deep]

So you're convinced based on scouting reports, and you don't have any evidence based on their actual NFL play? Do you think there's no QB in history that came out of college with a scouting report that said "poor footwork" or "inconsistent accuracy" who later was successful? Cam Newton is about to finish in the top 10, possibly top 5 all-time in terms of completion percentage for a rookie QB.

The evidence we have especially on Tebow is not supporting of your case and in fact reinforces the pre-draft scouting reports.

I'm not claiming that Tebow will be successful, but I think it's ridiculous to assert that he won't be successful because of a scouting report. And it's even more ridiculous to assert that Newton will not be successful because of a scouting report that's clearly wrong.

Newton = Daunte Culpepper.

Ah, so you mean he'll go on to put up one of the best QB seasons of all time, finish #1 or #2 in fantasy terms four times, and end up in the top 20 in completion percentage all-time? Yeah, sounds like failure to me.

He is a faliure, how long did he last? He's only 34 and has been washed upsince 2005.

 

[CalBear]

Ah, so you mean he'll go on to put up one of the best QB seasons of all time, finish #1 or #2 in fantasy terms four times, and end up in the top 20 in completion percentage all-time? Yeah, sounds like failure to me.

He is a faliure, how long did he last? He's only 34 and has been washed upsince 2005.

If you're counting a season with 5100 total yards, 69.2% completions, and 41 TDs against 11 INTs as a failure, well, I'll take that failure any time.Culpepper got hurt and wasn't the same afterwards. That can happen to any football player.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Tebow was mic'd up for the Bears game.

He really needs to work on his trash talk.

http://deadspin.com/5868546/revelations-from-tim-tebows-micd-up-sunday

 

[gianmarco]

Ah, so you mean he'll go on to put up one of the best QB seasons of all time, finish #1 or #2 in fantasy terms four times, and end up in the top 20 in completion percentage all-time? Yeah, sounds like failure to me.

He is a faliure, how long did he last? He's only 34 and has been washed upsince 2005.

If you're counting a season with 5100 total yards, 69.2% completions, and 41 TDs against 11 INTs as a failure, well, I'll take that failure any time.Culpepper got hurt and wasn't the same afterwards. That can happen to any football player.

No kidding.2000 -- Finished QB1 (2nd year in the league)2001 -- Finished QB3 in ppg (missed 5 games, finished QB14 overall)2002 -- Finished QB22003 -- Finished QB12004 -- Finished QB1For reference, A. Rodgers has finished QB2 twice (2008 and 2010), QB1 in 2009 and is on pace for QB1 in 2011. For your statement to make any sense, it's like saying A. Rodgers were to finish QB3 next year in ppg, get hurt, never play again, and you'd call him a failure. Oh, and Rodgers would STILL have one less QB1 finish than Culpepper. Quite possibly one of the most absurd statements I've read in this forum. That's saying a lot.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

I'm sitting at home today so I put on ESPN and First Take was/in on. My God, they have really taken the Tebow thing and killed it. I understand the show is trash and should expect such but it is ridiculous. ESPN is just running Tebow into the ground to the point where they are seem to be intentionally creating backlash against him. Just let the kid play.

 

[TimTebow]

Teboverload

Tebloverlord

 

[TimTebow]

I'm sitting at home today so I put on ESPN and First Take was/in on. My God, they have really taken the Tebow thing and killed it. I understand the show is trash and should expect such but it is ridiculous. ESPN is just running Tebow into the ground to the point where they are seem to be intentionally creating backlash against him. Just let the kid play.

 

[thatguy]

I'm sitting at home today so I put on ESPN and First Take was/in on. My God, they have really taken the Tebow thing and killed it. I understand the show is trash and should expect such but it is ridiculous. ESPN is just running Tebow into the ground to the point where they are seem to be intentionally creating backlash against him. Just let the kid play.

I have to agree. It's a great story and deserves to be told/heard. But it's just too much right now. The only thing I've heard all week on any sports outlet is the tremendous hype surrounding this Tebow V. Brady matchup, and really they're setting it up so that when Tebow finally does lose (and he will at some point, very likely this weekend) all of the wind will taken out of this stories sails. The story depends on Tebow, and the Broncos, pulling wins out of their asses every week. When that doesn't happen, then what? It's very possible NE gets up big and Denver is never able to mount any semblance of a comeback. Then what? Like you said, let's just let Tebow, and the Broncos, play, and see where they are when all is said and done.

 

[FavreCo]

The Cam Newton one being a classic this year. All that guy does is lose.

So Cam breaks rookie Qb record and record and elevates the worst nfl offense to a top 7 position...and he sucks because all he does is lose.Tebow has horrible stats and elevates the 2nd worst team to the playoff contender...and he sucks because all he does is win.You're contradicting yourself in different threads.

So sCam Newton loses weekly and he's great?So The Tebow plays on a winning team weekly so he's great? See how it works both ways?I got over 1 page of reading to catch up on and Skip Baseless is a monumental moron just for the record.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I'm sitting at home today so I put on ESPN and First Take was/in on. My God, they have really taken the Tebow thing and killed it. I understand the show is trash and should expect such but it is ridiculous. ESPN is just running Tebow into the ground to the point where they are seem to be intentionally creating backlash against him. Just let the kid play.

I have to agree. It's a great story and deserves to be told/heard. But it's just too much right now. The only thing I've heard all week on any sports outlet is the tremendous hype surrounding this Tebow V. Brady matchup, and really they're setting it up so that when Tebow finally does lose (and he will at some point, very likely this weekend) all of the wind will taken out of this stories sails. The story depends on Tebow, and the Broncos, pulling wins out of their asses every week. When that doesn't happen, then what? It's very possible NE gets up big and Denver is never able to mount any semblance of a comeback. Then what? Like you said, let's just let Tebow, and the Broncos, play, and see where they are when all is said and done.

I agree. Its way over the top. 24 - 7. All you can take. Tebow-hype. It a miracle. Shoot me please.Having said that.... From my fantasy team perspective - This week I have Decker, D. Thomas, Gronk, Brady and possibly Prater going against the team with Tebow and McGahee for the right to play in the Super Bowl. This game hype is really feeding the excitement this week... I just hope its a high scoring game....

 

[FDC]

haha, more good stuff from Ocho's twitter:

"Yes this at the Last Supper and yes I'm the only black disciple"

http://twitpic.com/show/large/7u5nv4

 

[thatguy]

Tebow was mic'd up for the Bears game.He really needs to work on his trash talk.http://deadspin.com/5868546/revelations-from-tim-tebows-micd-up-sunday

Some great stuff in there. I love what he said to Briggs given Briggs pre-game comments, which were not the least bit complimentary.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He really is a terrible singer.

 

[FavreCo]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

Impressive. All you guys have to grasp on is a handful of fluke wins.

The only thing you got right was your last line.

 

[DoubleG]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

BTW, they only score that the NFL uses to measure W/L records is the one at the end of 4 quarters (or OT if it's tied at that time). HTH.

 

[Spanky24]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

BTW, they only score that the NFL uses to measure W/L records is the one at the end of 4 quarters (or OT if it's tied at that time). HTH.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Trent Dilfer's tweets while watching Tebow film:

Tebow: Final thoughts this week after watching EVERY TT snap this year. A lot to unpack here, but I will try to keep briefTebow: TT has shown MASSIVE improvement the last two games (MIN & Chi). Seeing it better, footwork, stroke, rhythm & accuracyTebow: Obvious by watching tape that he will have more open receivers than most because the threat of his DESIGNED runs & optionTebow: This unique O puts D in HUGE conflict! It breaks rules, creates 1 on 1 tackling situations, & spreads secondaries thin.Tebow: Bronco's empty package(no backs),creates the most conflict for D, TT ability to be a power runner creates open rec in passTebow: EVERY empty formation pass play they have run as atleast 1 open rec, many times WIDE OPEN!Tebow: Vs. Bears TT had 5 dropped passes past 1st down marker, 4 drives they punted the other one was at the end of the halfTebow: Playing tight man accentuates the passing challenges, but exposes the D to the option game.Option FB runs D out of man covTebow:Initially I didn't think this type of offense was sustainable, but w/TT dramatic improvements & conflict I see D in,I pauseTebow: The key that allows him to not be as "pure" a passer & still have success is the DESIGNED runs.He must stay healthy 4 thisTebow:It goes w/out saying he needs to continue to make significant improvements,but based on what I've seen in 11 starts,he willTebow: ONLY 11 STARTS, yet I & so many others forgot to see him through that lens.This will continue to be a fascinating studyTebow: An offseason of working on the RIGHT stuff & increasing his FB IQ will have a tremendous impact on his game.Tebow: For u simple minds out there, mobile QB's & this QB who dictates looks w/designed runs are two TOTALLY different things!

https://twitter.com/#!/TDESPN

 

[Lavachebeadsman]

Just watched the Mic' Up. At this point if you aren't a fan, something is wrong with you. Not to bring religion to heavy into this, but I am in no way, shape or form a Christian, and I still love the kid.

 

[wazoo11]

Why are people mad at espn? That's their style of reporting to get ratings

 

[ShaHBucks]

When I see something in the 1st 3 Q's then I will consider changing my tune. When a team is winning on late game heroics, it doesn't bode well for them. Also,once there is enough film, it can go south fast. See Josh Freeman. See Bradford. Right now, he is terrible. Block out the 4th Q vs prevent Ds (tebowners need not try) watch the play, and ask yourself if you want this guy leading your team.

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I think this is a pretty important question and I wanted to take some time to answer this. I agree - I'm not happy with the level of play thru Q1-3 and I want to see 60 solid minutes of football before I'm ready to go all in...I think Elway wants to see the same thing too. I will also agree that the way the Broncos have been winning is not sustainable year after year.

There are a number of factors that lead the Broncos to have success almost exclusively a the end of a game. I don't think one can empirically say exactly what it is, just identify possible causes and that's what I'm aiming to do here.

[*]I once had a coach say that the way you beat a better opponent is to keep it close and win in the end. keep it conservative, keep the score low, don't make any mistakes, and then go all out at the very end. I think that is exactly what Fox is doing. I also happen to think that is how Reeves played Elway back in the day; it was good enough to take the Broncos to 3 SB's, so IMO it's a proven strategy.

[*]Fox has claimed that the Broncos get out to a slow start because teams by now have film on the Broncos, but the Broncos don't have film on how other teams will defend them. Essentially, when you are running a unique, one-off offense, you are at a disadvantage, everyone knows what you want to do but you don't know what they want to do. It may take a half or more to figure this all out.

[*]I think that the way you beat Tebow and option-based offenses is actually simple - play disciplined, assignment football. If players stay home, read-option will not work, that much is simple. Further, if DB's stay on their man instead of peeking into the backfield, guys won't be wide open. If coaches stick to what has been working, it will continue to work. However, late in games, I say discipline breaks down. Players are tired - more likely to play off of instinct instead of maintaining responsibilities. Coaches start doing silly things like abandoning 8 in the box defenses in favor of deep cover-2.

[*]Broncos run a power offense, which will eventually tire a defense down (ref: Hairy Snowman's post). This is compounded by playing home games at 5280' elevation. Further, when Broncos go no-huddle, defenses don't get a chance to rotate out.

[*]A change in Broncos personnel groupings and strategy when the game is on the line. It seems that thru Q1-3, Broncos run lots of 2TE, 2 RB sets - power football. Tebow only throws on third and long - not really a good passing situation, no? The Fox offense is run, run, throw if you have to...it's really pretty predictable, and may not be suited exactly to Tebow's (or any QB's, for that matter) strengths. It may be a good way to win football games, but not pad stats. There are folks out there right now crying that Elway/Fox continue to run this offense deliberately and consciously to sabotage Tebows development, and harp on Tebow's early game throwing situations incessantly. (go to orangemane.com if you want to see proof...couple of gator homers are ruining thread after thread complaining about this). On the other hand, in Q4, Denver goes to a spread - 3WR, 1 RB, one other WR or TE, and ask Tebow to win out of the shotgun. This is the personnel grouping that Tebow thrived with in Florida and really does play to his strengths. Take a fish out of water, he flops. Put him back in, and watch him swim! This article has better detail of what I'm trying to say.

[*]Some folks thrive under pressure, some folks fold. Tebow may be the most clutch player in pressure we have seen come along since Joe Montana. I'm talking about specifically Tebow's ability to elevate his own play in the face of adversity.

[*]As much tactics as there is in football, it is an emotional sport too. People feed off of each other. People inspire each other. I truly believe that Tebow makes his teammates play harder, Elway basically said as much earlier today. When guys are in the huddle and see Tebow, they believe. If you believe, you can do. Defenses feed off of this as well. They know that if they can give Tebow a chance, he will come thru.

[*]Conversely, opponents feel the opposite. By now they know that the Tebow comeback is almost inevitable, and play scared. When you play scared, bad things happen.

[*]Dumb luck.

Well, that's all I've got for now. I'm not saying the answer to your question is all of the above, or none of the above, or any combination thereof. These are just some possible reasons for the late-game dramatics in attempt to rationalize what appears to be irrational.

Very The only thing I would add.

Speaking strictly about the Chicago game, the WR play really was awful for the first 3 quarters. I'm not saying this has been the case all season--but it was quite obviously the case this past Sunday. And given that the running game was completely ineffective, it's near impossible to sustain drives and put up a gaudy statline with little to no help from your WR's.

This is easy to say, for every drop pass there's a thrown pass into the nosebleeds, so they're even. If anyone has proven to feed off of Tebow's energy it's Thomas, he stepped up late in the MIA, MIN, and CHI miracles.

I'm referring to one game--please show me where Tebow threw the ball into the nosebleeds against Chicago. And regardless, I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said anyway. The bottom line is there were at least 5 dropped passes, including a long dropped TD.

The Tomas thing came to me mid-sentence, had nothing to do with nothing. He sailed about 2-3 that was nowhere close to Thomas, If I watch the game again I'll let you know, but every qb in the league deals with dropped passes(see: Manning, Eli).

The Broncos had 6 dropped passes that game. There are 13 guys in the NFL with at least 7 drops meaning they're averaging at least 1/2 drops each game. The next 13 guys are averaging less than that.Let's assume the Broncos have receivers who drop a lot more than any other team. We'll say the top 2 WRs, the top TE and the top RB all average 1/2 drops per game. That's an average of 2 drops each game. This would be if the top 4 targets drop more than just about anyone. So yes, if people are talking about Tebow's completion percentage for a particular 3 quarter period of a game that had an obscene amount of drops then it should matter.

If it helps Victor Cruz has 7 drops and Jake Ballard has 5 those are the leaders on the Giants. I can't find a complete list but I think it's fair to assume that the Giants have averaged 3 or less drops/game. Cruz + Ballard have caught more than 1/3 of Eli's completions and account for 12 drops. Figure everyone else has the same drop rate and that would put the Giants around 35 or so drops in 13 games. There are clearly guys with lower drop rates so it should be a lower amount than the 2 2/3 drops/game that I'm extrapolating anyway. I'd guess with guys like Nicks (more than 20% of Eli's completions with less than 5 drops) the Giants probably average around 2 drops/game.

Either way when people are saying Tebow was 3/16 in the first 3 quarters to put his performance down and the receivers had 6 drops in those 3 quarters (possibly 5 not sure if the 6th came in the 4th). Then it is an important consideration.

I'm not sure what any of this actually means. I'm a fan of Tebow, I'm just stating for every drop there was a uncatchable pass out of bounds or one on one opportunities he passed up in the first 3 quarters. Chi was his best game as a passer this year though it could have been better w/o the drops, particularly the deep ball on the money to Thomas, but that's football.Most of Eli's ints last year were not him making stupid mistakes, close to half of them were his receivers fault. This year drops cost the sf game, whatever game cruz let it bounce off his chest, and almost the dal game with Manninham. Thomas came threw in the clutch, Excuse me for giving any other Bronco some credit. It's not fair to compare Tebow with anyone because of the coverges he see's. He played a great game but I won't make out to be more than what it was by manipulating statistics.

We're not manipulating statistics. We're simply saying that in this particular game, the statistics don't tell the entire story. Yes, all QB's have to deal with drops and mistakes by their WR's. But 6 dropped passes in 3 quarters, one of which was a sure TD, are not the norm for any QB, which was the point of my original post. The fact that you continue to bring up "uncatchable passes out of bounds" shows me that you're missing the point. All QB's throw incompletions last I checked. Yes, Tebow does throw more than the average QB at this point in his career, and this has never been debated. Also, don't go the route of other posters by saying that simply because we praise or defend Tebow, we are failing to share the credit. No one is doing that. Everyone who has posted in this thread in defense of Tebow acknowledges that the Denver Broncos, and not simply Tim Tebow, are winning these games. It just so happens, though, that Tim Tebow is an integral part of the Denver Broncos.

I clearly stated it was his best game passing this year, im not missing any point, I'm just not into what if's. Stats tend to even themselves out over time, if he's a 60%+ passer like the drops indicate then soon enough it will be just like an other qb in the league, so there is no point to prove. I give Thomas a little extra credit for continuing to try and get open after plays break down, which will happen a lot because Tebow doesn't seem to trust his arm enough to throw into tight spots(and he made a hell of a off balance catch). I also stated the Thomas comment was unrelated to anything previoulsy stated, I just mentioned it to lighten all the wr bashing, they are playing just as good as Tim.

S/n If they beat Brady I will not tweet or watch sports center all week.. Tebow coverage is getting 10x's worse than Lebron last year!!!

 

[moleculo]

Trent Dilfer's tweets while watching Tebow film:

Tebow: Final thoughts this week after watching EVERY TT snap this year. A lot to unpack here, but I will try to keep briefTebow: TT has shown MASSIVE improvement the last two games (MIN & Chi). Seeing it better, footwork, stroke, rhythm & accuracyTebow: Obvious by watching tape that he will have more open receivers than most because the threat of his DESIGNED runs & optionTebow: This unique O puts D in HUGE conflict! It breaks rules, creates 1 on 1 tackling situations, & spreads secondaries thin.Tebow: Bronco's empty package(no backs),creates the most conflict for D, TT ability to be a power runner creates open rec in passTebow: EVERY empty formation pass play they have run as atleast 1 open rec, many times WIDE OPEN!Tebow: Vs. Bears TT had 5 dropped passes past 1st down marker, 4 drives they punted the other one was at the end of the halfTebow: Playing tight man accentuates the passing challenges, but exposes the D to the option game.Option FB runs D out of man covTebow:Initially I didn't think this type of offense was sustainable, but w/TT dramatic improvements & conflict I see D in,I pauseTebow: The key that allows him to not be as "pure" a passer & still have success is the DESIGNED runs.He must stay healthy 4 thisTebow:It goes w/out saying he needs to continue to make significant improvements,but based on what I've seen in 11 starts,he willTebow: ONLY 11 STARTS, yet I & so many others forgot to see him through that lens.This will continue to be a fascinating studyTebow: An offseason of working on the RIGHT stuff & increasing his FB IQ will have a tremendous impact on his game.Tebow: For u simple minds out there, mobile QB's & this QB who dictates looks w/designed runs are two TOTALLY different things!

https://twitter.com/#!/TDESPN

Really good stuff here. Tebow & the option game brings an element to the game we haven't seen since Vick in Atlanta.

 

[gump]

Just finished our Fall '12 prebooks....guess which player finished with the most $?

Actually it was Rodgers, followed by Brady...but Timmay was 3rd.

And good luck getting a twill jersey right now....they don't exist, and won't until next year.

I love this guy.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Trent Dilfer's tweets while watching Tebow film:

Tebow: Final thoughts this week after watching EVERY TT snap this year. A lot to unpack here, but I will try to keep briefTebow: TT has shown MASSIVE improvement the last two games (MIN & Chi). Seeing it better, footwork, stroke, rhythm & accuracyTebow: Obvious by watching tape that he will have more open receivers than most because the threat of his DESIGNED runs & optionTebow: This unique O puts D in HUGE conflict! It breaks rules, creates 1 on 1 tackling situations, & spreads secondaries thin.Tebow: Bronco's empty package(no backs),creates the most conflict for D, TT ability to be a power runner creates open rec in passTebow: EVERY empty formation pass play they have run as atleast 1 open rec, many times WIDE OPEN!Tebow: Vs. Bears TT had 5 dropped passes past 1st down marker, 4 drives they punted the other one was at the end of the halfTebow: Playing tight man accentuates the passing challenges, but exposes the D to the option game.Option FB runs D out of man covTebow:Initially I didn't think this type of offense was sustainable, but w/TT dramatic improvements & conflict I see D in,I pauseTebow: The key that allows him to not be as "pure" a passer & still have success is the DESIGNED runs.He must stay healthy 4 thisTebow:It goes w/out saying he needs to continue to make significant improvements,but based on what I've seen in 11 starts,he willTebow: ONLY 11 STARTS, yet I & so many others forgot to see him through that lens.This will continue to be a fascinating studyTebow: An offseason of working on the RIGHT stuff & increasing his FB IQ will have a tremendous impact on his game.Tebow: For u simple minds out there, mobile QB's & this QB who dictates looks w/designed runs are two TOTALLY different things!

https://twitter.com/#!/TDESPN

Really good stuff here. Tebow & the option game brings an element to the game we haven't seen since Vick in Atlanta.

This is what I have been saying for a while now. But it is different because it is a power running version of the spread option. Dunn and vick had issues going up the middle. That is not this offenses problem.

 

[FavreCo]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

BTW, they only score that the NFL uses to measure W/L records is the one at the end of 4 quarters (or OT if it's tied at that time). HTH.

Keep dreaming.

 

[AmosMoses]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

BTW, they only score that the NFL uses to measure W/L records is the one at the end of 4 quarters (or OT if it's tied at that time). HTH.

 

[The Dude]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

BTW, they only score that the NFL uses to measure W/L records is the one at the end of 4 quarters (or OT if it's tied at that time). HTH.

Keep dreaming.

Denial is not just FarveCo on Saturday night

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Pretty funny...

 

[footballnerd]

Pretty funny...http://www.hulu.com/watch/311565/saturday-night-live-tebow?from=fb_share

 

[the moops]

Pretty funny...http://www.hulu.com/watch/311565/saturday-night-live-tebow?from=fb_share

 

[ConfusedRealist]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

Impressive. All you guys have to grasp on is a handful of fluke wins.

The only thing you got right was your last line.

So when the team fails to score points it is 100% Tim Tebow's fault 100% of the time? When the team does score points though that is 100% because of Prater? I also love that you don't even acknowledge how football games are decided. You're getting too obvious with your trolling. Take a break and develop some fresh material and then get back to us.

 

[FavreCo]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

Impressive. All you guys have to grasp on is a handful of fluke wins.

The only thing you got right was your last line.

So when the team fails to score points it is 100% Tim Tebow's fault 100% of the time? When the team does score points though that is 100% because of Prater? I also love that you don't even acknowledge how football games are decided. You're getting too obvious with your trolling. Take a break and develop some fresh material and then get back to us.

Whose fault is it that they don't score the 1st 3 quarters? Pretty sure he's in that equation and we don't need to hear the BS about being held back and bad WR's because they perform in the 4th Q. IF they were going up against non-prevent Ds (in the 4th Q), they would do the same in the 1st 3 Q's but they don't. You have nothing. Your post was a ZERO.

 

[Otis]

I don't get the Tebow hate. He's the most interesting thing in sports, period, and I don't see how anyone doesn't love watching him. He is gutsy, smart, doesn't make mistakes, and is pulling out one ridiculous comeback win after another. He is loved by the locker room, is a leader, and also is known as one of the hardest workers out there -- he's a workout warrior and a film nut. He's got a great attitude, and no matter how many times the media tries to make it all about him, he is constantly saying "my team makes me look a lot better than I am," "it's not Tebow Time, it's Broncos time," etc., and when whiny woman veterans on the other teams (e.g., Urlacher) bash him after losing to him, his response is always something along the lines of "good for them, they made a lot of good plays and deserve to be excited, I have no problem with that." What the hell is not to love? Yeah he's over the top with the religion stuff, but that is what it is -- it has nothing to do with him as a player. You hear the guy talk and he sounds soft but then he goes out there and seeks out defenders to run over.

The guys who seem to dislike him are the purist football nerds who claim he has no QB skills. While he may not have what they traditionally think of QB skills, he looks like he's playing his position damn well to me..

 

[Otis]

The other argument which is the dumbest in the world is that he plays poorly for three quarters. If he could make a deal with the powers above, play awful for three quarters every game, never throw for 300 yards, but still win every game, I'm pretty sure any QB in the league makes that trade. This is supposed to be about winning, not about who throws the prettiest spiral.

 

[AmosMoses]

There isn't a single tebowner on this board that can legitimately explain whty he totally sucks for 3 quarters week in and week out.

Your premise is wrong - it's that easy. Are you actually watching the games or just assuming every incomplete pass was terribly thrown?I've stated it before and I'll say it again: The offense is new for the whole team EXCEPT Tebow and it's going to take a while (couple of years) before it can click on all cylinders. The quality and execution of the WRs and TEs needs to get better. The play calling needs to get better. And Tebow is still adjusting to the flow of the pro game.

Just as you think that all defenses will "catch up" to this offense doesn't mean that the Bronco offense can't get better. Anybody who's seen Tebow run the offense with quality WRs like Louis Murphy, David Nelson, Riley Cooper and Percy Harvin, with TEs like Aaron Hernandez, and with coaches like Urban Meyer calling the plays, knows what it looks like when it's clicking.

Let the Broncos get a #1 replacement for Brandon Lloyd and at least 1 decent TE, let the first string RB (Moreno) or his replacement get better, and let the offensive line get accustomed to the scheme, and THEN make a judgement a couple of years down the line.

Lastly, for anyone on this board to sit here and trash the collective professional coaches of a half dozen pro football teams as being incompetent is amusing. I dare say the wife of any single one of them probably knows more than CravenM.

Just look at the Broncos weekly score before they get to the 4th Q.I'll help you out.

Miami: 0

Detroit: 3

Jets: 10

KC: 10

Minn: 21

SD: 13

Chi: 0

Impressive. All you guys have to grasp on is a handful of fluke wins.

The only thing you got right was your last line.

So when the team fails to score points it is 100% Tim Tebow's fault 100% of the time? When the team does score points though that is 100% because of Prater? I also love that you don't even acknowledge how football games are decided. You're getting too obvious with your trolling. Take a break and develop some fresh material and then get back to us.

Whose fault is it that they don't score the 1st 3 quarters? Pretty sure he's in that equation and we don't need to hear the BS about being held back and bad WR's because they perform in the 4th Q. IF they were going up against non-prevent Ds (in the 4th Q), they would do the same in the 1st 3 Q's but they don't. You have nothing. Your post was a ZERO.

Why do you keep doing this?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't get the Tebow hate. He's the most interesting thing in sports, period, and I don't see how anyone doesn't love watching him. He is gutsy, smart, doesn't make mistakes, and is pulling out one ridiculous comeback win after another. He is loved by the locker room, is a leader, and also is known as one of the hardest workers out there -- he's a workout warrior and a film nut. He's got a great attitude, and no matter how many times the media tries to make it all about him, he is constantly saying "my team makes me look a lot better than I am," "it's not Tebow Time, it's Broncos time," etc., and when whiny woman veterans on the other teams (e.g., Urlacher) bash him after losing to him, his response is always something along the lines of "good for them, they made a lot of good plays and deserve to be excited, I have no problem with that." What the hell is not to love? Yeah he's over the top with the religion stuff, but that is what it is -- it has nothing to do with him as a player. You hear the guy talk and he sounds soft but then he goes out there and seeks out defenders to run over. The guys who seem to dislike him are the purist football nerds who claim he has no QB skills. While he may not have what they traditionally think of QB skills, he looks like he's playing his position damn well to me..

 

[Otis]

The nerds who are stuck on throwing motion and pretty mechanics should probably watch Dancing With the Stars instead, where you get rewarded for looking real nice and pretty. Give me the sport where the gritty kid with a good attitude wins games.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jesus had another emergency to take care of during the 4th quarter today.

 

[FavreCo]

Line is down to six as bettors fall all over themselves in the rush to fade FarveCo's most recent prediction.

Can I get the names? Thanks. killrobotkill, I'll send the PM soon.

 

[PolishNorbi]

Jesus had another emergency to take care of during the 4th quarter today.

No, he just realized there wasn't much he could do so he flew over to the Lions and help ensure the Broncos don't lose ground to them.

 

[thatguy]

Jesus had another emergency to take care of during the 4th quarter today.

No, he just realized there wasn't much he could do so he flew over to the Lions and help ensure the Broncos don't lose ground to them.

 

[greenroom]

Jesus had another emergency to take care of during the 4th quarter today.

Yes we already knew that after watching SNL last night. Jesus said Denver would be on its own this weekend he was getting ready for a big day! That said this was on the entire Broncos team committing 3 fumbles in the 2nd quarter which turned the game from Denver leading to being way behind.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Jesus had another emergency to take care of during the 4th quarter today.

Yes we already knew that after watching SNL last night. Jesus said Denver would be on its own this weekend he was getting ready for a big day! That said this was on the entire Broncos team committing 3 fumbles in the 2nd quarter which turned the game from Denver leading to being way behind.

To be fair, one of them was Tebow's.

 

[TimTebow]

 

[az_prof]

Tebow played well today, but Brady was better. No shame in that.

The big difference was three fumbles; yes, one of them was Tebow, but two others were not. No Ints. He passed well. He ran well. The D just got shell shocked in the second Q after those turn overs. Denver is still the best team in the AFC West and will be a dangerous team to face in the playoffs.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I don't get the Tebow hate. He's the most interesting thing in sports, period, and I don't see how anyone doesn't love watching him. He is gutsy, smart, doesn't make mistakes, and is pulling out one ridiculous comeback win after another. He is loved by the locker room, is a leader, and also is known as one of the hardest workers out there -- he's a workout warrior and a film nut. He's got a great attitude, and no matter how many times the media tries to make it all about him, he is constantly saying "my team makes me look a lot better than I am," "it's not Tebow Time, it's Broncos time," etc., and when whiny woman veterans on the other teams (e.g., Urlacher) bash him after losing to him, his response is always something along the lines of "good for them, they made a lot of good plays and deserve to be excited, I have no problem with that." What the hell is not to love? Yeah he's over the top with the religion stuff, but that is what it is -- it has nothing to do with him as a player. You hear the guy talk and he sounds soft but then he goes out there and seeks out defenders to run over. The guys who seem to dislike him are the purist football nerds who claim he has no QB skills. While he may not have what they traditionally think of QB skills, he looks like he's playing his position damn well to me..

Have to agree. It's been fun to watch...

 

[killrobotkill]

Line is down to six as bettors fall all over themselves in the rush to fade FarveCo's most recent prediction.

Can I get the names? Thanks. killrobotkill, I'll send the PM soon.

0-4 in my playoff games today, and now this. I guess I just didn't have *enough* faith today. Kind of like Linus and the Great Pumpkin.