Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (1 Viewer)

[glumpy]

I would have agreed 2 weeks ago, but the Pats have beaten the Colts and Skins by 7 points each in the last 2 weeks (although they had some backups in before the Colts comeback). I think there's a very good chance they can play down to Denver's level. I'd be shocked if Denver wins but a close game wouldn't be surprising.

The Patriots might win in a route; but if it's close, it's Denver's game. Tebow doesn't lose close games.

Pats by 30

lol--not so sure. And fantasy-wise I have Tebow penciled in this game over Romo. Helluva bet though and not so sure. He,ll need another Minnesota type game.

 

[nysportsfan]

i am now officially a tebow believer brohans i never felt like anyone had the power of goodness on their side but this guy is like the natural with evil john elway sitting up in the dark box next think you know he will throw a foul pass and it will smash elways box window and let the light in and then in a game everyone who can kick on the broncos will get hurt and tebow will get called in to kick a game winning extra point and he will kick it through as a good kick and it will fly up and hit the lights and make them blow up and then his long lost girlfriend will be in the stands and his dead dad will walk out of the tunnel and ask him if he want to have a catch and he will say no this is iowa hes that good take it to the bank

Studs?

 

[Bwanna]

Costas' halftime essay about Tebow. Thought it was spot-on.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/genuine-beliefs-help-make-tebow-the-player-he-is/6d0pn98

 

[DoubleG]

Tebow 3:16

Interestingly enough he was 3 of 16 passing in the first 3 quarters...before going 18 of 24 in the 4th quarter and overtime for 191 yards, a TD and a W.

 

[SWC]

Tebow 3:16

Interestingly enough he was 3 of 16 passing in the first 3 quarters...before going 18 of 24 in the 4th quarter and overtime for 191 yards, a TD and a W.

i bet there is probably a tebow code like the davinchi code and if you figure it out you get into heaven

 

[Crusaderfan]

This is comical now to watch the haters quietly disappear one by one. BUT I'm sure all the "I told you so's" will be back just as soon as he loses a game. I'm sure the mad rush back to this thread when he loses one will be just as comical.

I prefer to just sit back and watch Tebow the same way I watch a magician. I don't know how he does it but it is really entertaining.

 

[FavreCo]

I cant wait for the excuses to roll in from Favreco if/when The Tebow loses.Next week against New England the reason Tebow lost is because Denver faced a real team with a real QB and real coach. If Denver wins it will be something like Denver's defense won the game or New England had a bad day. Either way, Favreco may be able to tell all of us that he is right and told us that Tebow is not good... being 7-2 and all.

You mean like all the excuses that were rolling out when the bears were up 10-0? Like all the WR on Denver suck? Like Mikem thomas is better that any WR on the Broncos? Those type of excuses? The fact is Chicago totally screwed up by going into the prevent defense just like every other team has before them. NE will end the game before it gets to the 3rd Q. If Tebow was so ####### good, why doesn't he go down the field all game long and score like in the 4th Q? How about answering that? I'll tell you why, teams are playing their normal defense until they think the game is over and they go into the prevent D. Did you even notice that during the game he had only a few seconds to throw. Did you notice that in the last few drives he had 15 seconds to throw? Do you even watch football? Do you even understand it?Every team they have played has made a mistake that has cost them the game. The Broncos, not tebow, have capitalized on it. Miami - prevent D, missed onside kick.KC - let Decker (one of those horrid WR's when the Borncos are losing) ran right by the KC D. Either that D screwed up or he is a great WR. Nothing Tebow did. Anyone could have completed that pass.Jets - prevent D.SD - missed FG to win game.Chicago - PREVENT D, Barber screws up twice.This run of wins is funny and ridiculous but try and be realistic, they are pulling #### out of their asses.

 

[ATC1]

The only reason the Broncos won this game is that Marion Barber is stupid. It has nothing to do with magic.

But if Thomas hadn't dropped a wide open TD and they hadn't had a short FG blocked the Broncos wouldn't have needed that magic.

How dare you bring facts in this thread?

Tebow was testing your Faith.

 

[Woogie Lee]

This is comical now to watch the haters quietly disappear one by one. BUT I'm sure all the "I told you so's" will be back just as soon as he loses a game. I'm sure the mad rush back to this thread when he loses one will be just as comical.

I prefer to just sit back and watch Tebow the same way I watch a magician. I don't know how he does it but it is really entertaining.

He's getting way too much credit. The TEAM is getting wins, not Tebow. The defense and ability to capitalize on other team's mistakes are what have lead the Broncos. Jon Fox and the Defense aren't getting enough credit right now.

 

[Dizzy]

This is comical now to watch the haters quietly disappear one by one. BUT I'm sure all the "I told you so's" will be back just as soon as he loses a game. I'm sure the mad rush back to this thread when he loses one will be just as comical.I prefer to just sit back and watch Tebow the same way I watch a magician. I don't know how he does it but it is really entertaining.

Lets be fair here, I hate Tebow because he's a religious zealot... it has nothing to do with football. He has proven moderately effective as a game manager in support of a great defense. But even if he steps up and proves he can beat real NFL teams at some point, I'll still be a Tebow hater... but NOT because of what he does on the field.

 

[Mile High]

He's getting way too much credit. The TEAM is getting wins, not Tebow. The defense and ability to capitalize on other team's mistakes are what have lead the Broncos. Jon Fox and the Defense aren't getting enough credit right now.

I think most people realize it isn't all about Tebow. Still you always hereBrady and the PatsRodgers and the PackersBrees and the Saints.insert QB insert Team here.Why should it be any different with Tebow and the Broncos?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[Woogie Lee]

He's getting way too much credit. The TEAM is getting wins, not Tebow. The defense and ability to capitalize on other team's mistakes are what have lead the Broncos. Jon Fox and the Defense aren't getting enough credit right now.

I think most people realize it isn't all about Tebow. Still you always hereBrady and the PatsRodgers and the PackersBrees and the Saints.insert QB insert Team here.Why should it be any different with Tebow and the Broncos?

Seriously?Because Tebow's not putting up 300+ yards plus 3 or 4 TDs. Those teams lean on their QBs for 4 quarters, not one. Not surprised you can't see the difference.

 

[moleculo]

He's getting way too much credit. The TEAM is getting wins, not Tebow. The defense and ability to capitalize on other team's mistakes are what have lead the Broncos. Jon Fox and the Defense aren't getting enough credit right now.

I think most people realize it isn't all about Tebow. Still you always hereBrady and the PatsRodgers and the PackersBrees and the Saints.insert QB insert Team here.Why should it be any different with Tebow and the Broncos?

Seriously?Because Tebow's not putting up 300+ yards plus 3 or 4 TDs. Those teams lean on their QBs for 4 quarters, not one. Not surprised you can't see the difference.

Do you think Denver goes on a 6 game winning streak w/ a replacement level QB?1-4 w/ Orton.

 

[az_prof]

The only reason the Broncos won this game is that Marion Barber is stupid. It has nothing to do with magic.

Mistakes happen all the time. But great players exploit those opportunities. And that is exactly what Tebow did.

 

[Mile High]

He's getting way too much credit. The TEAM is getting wins, not Tebow. The defense and ability to capitalize on other team's mistakes are what have lead the Broncos. Jon Fox and the Defense aren't getting enough credit right now.

I think most people realize it isn't all about Tebow. Still you always hereBrady and the PatsRodgers and the PackersBrees and the Saints.insert QB insert Team here.Why should it be any different with Tebow and the Broncos?

Seriously?Because Tebow's not putting up 300+ yards plus 3 or 4 TDs. Those teams lean on their QBs for 4 quarters, not one. Not surprised you can't see the difference.

Only stat that matter is "You play to win the game". The 300 yds 3-4 TDs are for fantasy teams. Those other QBs aren't blocking and throwing TDs to themselves.

 

[Doug B]

Ditka exploding at Hoge just now was classic. On another note, was Hoge dropped on his head as a baby? Or is his toupee tainting his brain? As a fellow bald man I find his rug offensive.

Hoge is a dope. Seeing Ditka take him to school was awesome. And Hoge just say there like some cocky kid who thinks he knows everything, but really doesn't know nearly as much as he thinks he does. It was quite amusing. At some point, you have to suck it up and give some credit - even Cris Carter has budged a little and given Tebow some credit - but Hoge is too full of himself to ever admit that he could be wrong.

Someone posted on YouTube that Hoge did a 180 on Mike & Mike this morning and is now saying he's a Tebow believer. Anyone here heard that?

 

[az_prof]

He's getting way too much credit. The TEAM is getting wins, not Tebow. The defense and ability to capitalize on other team's mistakes are what have lead the Broncos. Jon Fox and the Defense aren't getting enough credit right now.

I think most people realize it isn't all about Tebow. Still you always hereBrady and the PatsRodgers and the PackersBrees and the Saints.insert QB insert Team here.Why should it be any different with Tebow and the Broncos?

Yes. And does anyone question that the Pack, Pats, and Saints have MANY more weapons supporting their QB? Tebow had six dropped passes yesterday, one for a TD. His starting receivers are BOTH second year guys, and one of them missed a whole season with an injury. WHo is his TE? It isn't Gronk and Hernandez. It isn't Jimmy Graham. It isn't Finley. Seriously.Denver: D. Thomas, E. Decker, E. Royal; Daniel Fells.NE: Welker, Branch; Gronkowski, HernandezGB: Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones; FinleyNO: Colson, L. Moore, Henderson/Meachem; GrahamWho is the most valuable player to his team? Who is winning with the least star power on his side?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I cant wait for the excuses to roll in from Favreco if/when The Tebow loses.Next week against New England the reason Tebow lost is because Denver faced a real team with a real QB and real coach. If Denver wins it will be something like Denver's defense won the game or New England had a bad day. Either way, Favreco may be able to tell all of us that he is right and told us that Tebow is not good... being 7-2 and all.

You mean like all the excuses that were rolling out when the bears were up 10-0? Like all the WR on Denver suck? Like Mikem thomas is better that any WR on the Broncos? Those type of excuses? The fact is Chicago totally screwed up by going into the prevent defense just like every other team has before them. NE will end the game before it gets to the 3rd Q. If Tebow was so ####### good, why doesn't he go down the field all game long and score like in the 4th Q? How about answering that? I'll tell you why, teams are playing their normal defense until they think the game is over and they go into the prevent D. Did you even notice that during the game he had only a few seconds to throw. Did you notice that in the last few drives he had 15 seconds to throw? Do you even watch football? Do you even understand it?Every team they have played has made a mistake that has cost them the game. The Broncos, not tebow, have capitalized on it. Miami - prevent D, missed onside kick.KC - let Decker (one of those horrid WR's when the Borncos are losing) ran right by the KC D. Either that D screwed up or he is a great WR. Nothing Tebow did. Anyone could have completed that pass.Jets - prevent D.SD - missed FG to win game.Chicago - PREVENT D, Barber screws up twice.This run of wins is funny and ridiculous but try and be realistic, they are pulling #### out of their asses.

There were no excuses by me when the Bears were up 10 to 0. In fact, it was a very good executed game plan by the Bears. It is and was the type of defense that is built for stopping a young Tebow who is continuing to learn and grow as a young QB.The Bears sold out for the run and for the most part were forcing Tebow into a pocket passer which we all know is not his strength. When he was able to get outside the pocket he was making things happen. Tebow will/must continue to get outside the pocket and make plays but more importantly he needs to grow as a pocket passer which I think he can.You can't dispute the fact that there is no quit in Tebow. With the game on the line he has played well above expectations and although he has a long way to go as a QB, you and many others were wrong about one thing with Tebow....you have consistently said he can't win in the NFL, but he is proving that claim to be false. You can attribute it to many factors, and a bunch of what if's, but Tebow is a part of that team and is helping contribute to those wins.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Saying something like, "The Broncos aren't winning because of Tebow, they're winning because of defense," or whatever else you want to attribute it to, is missing the point. Tebow may not look pretty or put up Rodgersesque fantasy stats, and they may not literally be winning games because of what Tebow is doing on the field, but the team is clearly playing better for Him. You can say that they won last night because Barber made mistakes, and the defense came up big, etc., but those things wouldn't have happened if a different QB was taking snaps for the Broncos. He has inspired this team; their strength of belief in Him has clearly been the difference in this winning streak. What He does on the field is irrelevant. It's what He's done in the locker room that is making all the difference.

 

[drew726]

I really liked the Bob Costas piece on Tebow. The guy just wins and you can't help but to root for this kid.

 

[Mile High]

I get it. The haters hate and I'm fine with that. I'm a Bronco fan and see a team that 3 weeks into the season was one of the worst teams in the league that is now 8-5 and leads the AFC west. I here team mate after team mate, talk about Tebow and they all believe in him and that's good enough for me over guys on a message board. So haters keep on hating the Broncos and their fans don't really care.

 

[Mile High]

Saying something like, "The Broncos aren't winning because of Tebow, they're winning because of defense," or whatever else you want to attribute it to, is missing the point. Tebow may not look pretty or put up Rodgersesque fantasy stats, and they may not literally be winning games because of what Tebow is doing on the field, but the team is clearly playing better for Him. You can say that they won last night because Barber made mistakes, and the defense came up big, etc., but those things wouldn't have happened if a different QB was taking snaps for the Broncos. He has inspired this team; their strength of belief in Him has clearly been the difference in this winning streak. What He does on the field is irrelevant. It's what He's done in the locker room that is making all the difference.

 

[Bigdee]

The only reason the Broncos won this game is that Marion Barber is stupid. It has nothing to do with magic.

Ye have little faith. You think Marion Barber just dropped that ball or intentionally went out of bounce. Prat kicking a 58 AND a 51 yard FG. That stuff just doesn't happen without Tebow.

Did Barber cost the Bears the game by running out of bounds, then by getting stripped?..yes. Only reason the Broncos won?...noIs Tebow the only reason the Broncos won? Absolutely not. I submit the Denver defense is as much, if not more responsible for the string of wins, plus Prater may be a kicker, but he is a MAN. Clutch kicks.IMHO, Tebow is getting way more credit than he deserves, especially when you consider his play is largely dreadful until the last 2 minutes. 3 of 16 the first 3 quarters. That's 18% comp. pct. UGH. For my part, I will believe more in Tebow when he displays an ability to play for 60 minutes, not just 2.

 

[sspunisher]

Wow as ugly as it is to watch Tebow run that offense, and as much as I want to hate the guy, I can't help but respect the way he goes about his business. His response to Urlacher's "I guess we got beat by a good running back" comment won me over.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Wow as ugly as it is to watch Tebow run that offense, and as much as I want to hate the guy, I can't help but respect the way he goes about his business. His response to Urlacher's "I guess we got beat by a good running back" comment won me over.

What was it?

 

[DoubleG]

Wow as ugly as it is to watch Tebow run that offense, and as much as I want to hate the guy, I can't help but respect the way he goes about his business. His response to Urlacher's "I guess we got beat by a good running back" comment won me over.

Let me start by stating that I am a lifelong Bears fan (and that goes back to Walter Payton and Bob Avelini).Urlacher's defense got lit up for over 200 passing yards by the "good RB" despite the Bears having a 10-0 lead in the 4th quarter. Most of those passing yards (191 if I'm not mistaken) came in the 4th quarter or overtime. 191 passing yards in a quarter and 1 posession. Urlacher needs to shut his mouth.

Was the defense the only reason the Bears lost that game? Absolutely not. But Urlacher's comments were silly, stupid and off-base - not to mention classless.

Tebow outclassed the Bears on the field, then did it again in the post-game presser. There was a whole bunch of stupid coming out of Bears player's mouths after ANOTHER terrible loss.

 

[Mile High]

Wow as ugly as it is to watch Tebow run that offense, and as much as I want to hate the guy, I can't help but respect the way he goes about his business. His response to Urlacher's "I guess we got beat by a good running back" comment won me over.

What was it?

After the game, Brian Urlacher referred to you as a good running back. How do you take that comment?"Coming from a really good player, that means a lot."

Link

 

[Bigdee]

As indicated in my previous post, am not totally a Tebow believer...but this is an entertaining piece!!!

All he does is win!

 

[Two Deep]

Tebow did a great job of kicking an improbable 59 yard field goal. Good job Timmy. Oh yeah and nice job with the 51 yarder in OT you are magical.

 

[TimTebow]

As indicated in my previous post, am not totally a Tebow believer...but this is an entertaining piece!!!

All he does is win!

<====== Just watch this as the song is playing.

 

[TimTebow]

Tebow did a great job of kicking an improbable 59 yard field goal. Good job Timmy. Oh yeah and nice job with the 51 yarder in OT you are magical.

“If you believe,” Tebow said, “then unbelievable things can sometimes be possible.”

“Those last five minutes, if it’s within reach for us to get it, we feel like we’re going to win,” Woodyard said. “For all the Tebow haters: You’d better start believing.”

"It's not Tebow Time," the quarterback retorted. "It's Broncos Time."

 

[FavreCo]

The only reason the Broncos won this game is that Marion Barber is stupid. It has nothing to do with magic.

Ye have little faith. You think Marion Barber just dropped that ball or intentionally went out of bounce. Prat kicking a 58 AND a 51 yard FG. That stuff just doesn't happen without Tebow.

Did Barber cost the Bears the game by running out of bounds, then by getting stripped?..yes. Only reason the Broncos won?...noIs Tebow the only reason the Broncos won? Absolutely not. I submit the Denver defense is as much, if not more responsible for the string of wins, plus Prater may be a kicker, but he is a MAN. Clutch kicks.IMHO, Tebow is getting way more credit than he deserves, especially when you consider his play is largely dreadful until the last 2 minutes. 3 of 16 the first 3 quarters. That's 18% comp. pct. UGH. For my part, I will believe more in Tebow when he displays an ability to play for 60 minutes, not just 2.

You are in so much trouble for that post. You are doubting that The Tebow won that game singlehandedly? The nerve of you. BTW, you forgot to mention the prevent D that the Bears went into allowing for The Tebow to have all day per drop back to find an open receiver.

 

[Bigdee]

Tebow did a great job of kicking an improbable 59 yard field goal. Good job Timmy. Oh yeah and nice job with the 51 yarder in OT you are magical.

Sometimes, a bit of sarcasm drives the point home! Well played!

 

[firstseason1988]

Tebow did a great job of kicking an improbable 59 yard field goal. Good job Timmy. Oh yeah and nice job with the 51 yarder in OT you are magical.

Sometimes, a bit of sarcasm drives the point home! Well played!

Not a Tebow or bronco fan at all, but he gave all the credit to his teammates, I know he understands it's a team game, the fans may not so much, but I wouldn't hold that against him.

 

[FavreCo]

There were no excuses by me when the Bears were up 10 to 0. In fact, it was a very good executed game plan by the Bears. It is and was the type of defense that is built for stopping a young Tebow who is continuing to learn and grow as a young QB.

The Bears sold out for the run and for the most part were forcing Tebow into a pocket passer which we all know is not his strength. When he was able to get outside the pocket he was making things happen. Tebow will/must continue to get outside the pocket and make plays but more importantly he needs to grow as a pocket passer which I think he can.

You can't dispute the fact that there is no quit in Tebow. With the game on the line he has played well above expectations and although he has a long way to go as a QB, you and many others were wrong about one thing with Tebow....you have consistently said he can't win in the NFL, but he is proving that claim to be false. You can attribute it to many factors, and a bunch of what if's, but Tebow is a part of that team and is helping contribute to those wins.

I will not deny that.The Bears totally screwed up. Looking at the film, there is no reason to drop DB's back 20-30 yards while up 10 points. They were basically playing 11 on 9 at that point in time. Everyone carves up prevent defenses. The Tebow is taking advantage of horrid coaching by the opposition in the 4th Q. None of these teams have learned from the mistakes of the Dolphins. They are in fact, duplicating them.

 

[themeanmachine]

Ditka exploding at Hoge just now was classic. On another note, was Hoge dropped on his head as a baby? Or is his toupee tainting his brain? As a fellow bald man I find his rug offensive.

Hoge is a dope. Seeing Ditka take him to school was awesome. And Hoge just say there like some cocky kid who thinks he knows everything, but really doesn't know nearly as much as he thinks he does. It was quite amusing. At some point, you have to suck it up and give some credit - even Cris Carter has budged a little and given Tebow some credit - but Hoge is too full of himself to ever admit that he could be wrong.

Someone posted on YouTube that Hoge did a 180 on Mike & Mike this morning and is now saying he's a Tebow believer. Anyone here heard that?

Yep, now Hoge says he was wrong about Tebow

 

[FavreCo]

Ditka exploding at Hoge just now was classic. On another note, was Hoge dropped on his head as a baby? Or is his toupee tainting his brain? As a fellow bald man I find his rug offensive.

Hoge is a dope. Seeing Ditka take him to school was awesome. And Hoge just say there like some cocky kid who thinks he knows everything, but really doesn't know nearly as much as he thinks he does. It was quite amusing. At some point, you have to suck it up and give some credit - even Cris Carter has budged a little and given Tebow some credit - but Hoge is too full of himself to ever admit that he could be wrong.

Someone posted on YouTube that Hoge did a 180 on Mike & Mike this morning and is now saying he's a Tebow believer. Anyone here heard that?

Yep, now Hoge says he was wrong about Tebow

What a wuss. Couldn't hold out.

 

[Bigdee]

The only reason the Broncos won this game is that Marion Barber is stupid. It has nothing to do with magic.

Ye have little faith. You think Marion Barber just dropped that ball or intentionally went out of bounce. Prat kicking a 58 AND a 51 yard FG. That stuff just doesn't happen without Tebow.

Did Barber cost the Bears the game by running out of bounds, then by getting stripped?..yes. Only reason the Broncos won?...noIs Tebow the only reason the Broncos won? Absolutely not. I submit the Denver defense is as much, if not more responsible for the string of wins, plus Prater may be a kicker, but he is a MAN. Clutch kicks.

IMHO, Tebow is getting way more credit than he deserves, especially when you consider his play is largely dreadful until the last 2 minutes. 3 of 16 the first 3 quarters. That's 18% comp. pct. UGH.

For my part, I will believe more in Tebow when he displays an ability to play for 60 minutes, not just 2.

You are in so much trouble for that post. You are doubting that The Tebow won that game singlehandedly? The nerve of you. BTW, you forgot to mention the prevent D that the Bears went into allowing for The Tebow to have all day per drop back to find an open receiver.

Not sure what game you were watching, but the line for Denver did a marvelous job most of the game. I saw a pass play in the first quarter where Tebow stood in the pocket for a ridiculous 6-7 seconds, then rolled to his left and fired a pass. The Bears did get pressure at times, but it was hardly a situation where Tebow was under constant harrassment. The fact that Tebow HAD to roll out when he did was also a testament to the decent coverage by Chicago as much as any pressure they applied up front. I wouldn't dispute that loosening the defense at the end of the game helped Tebow. The objective there was to keep everything in front of them and not get burned by the big play like the one Thomas dropped in the 3rd quarter. But if the Bears defensive pressure had been all that and a bag of chips the entire game, they should have been able to apply some amount of pressure late in regulation. Where Tebow was able to attack best was when he bought time. Zone coverage is hard to sustain indefinitely. When the receivers start to move around because of pressure on the QB, it essentially becomes man coverage. Someone will shake loose.

Marion Barber's gaffes were huge. Running out of bounds was his fault. Getting stripped of the ball was good play by Dumervil. Advantage: Denver

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

There were no excuses by me when the Bears were up 10 to 0. In fact, it was a very good executed game plan by the Bears. It is and was the type of defense that is built for stopping a young Tebow who is continuing to learn and grow as a young QB.

The Bears sold out for the run and for the most part were forcing Tebow into a pocket passer which we all know is not his strength. When he was able to get outside the pocket he was making things happen. Tebow will/must continue to get outside the pocket and make plays but more importantly he needs to grow as a pocket passer which I think he can.

You can't dispute the fact that there is no quit in Tebow. With the game on the line he has played well above expectations and although he has a long way to go as a QB, you and many others were wrong about one thing with Tebow....you have consistently said he can't win in the NFL, but he is proving that claim to be false. You can attribute it to many factors, and a bunch of what if's, but Tebow is a part of that team and is helping contribute to those wins.

I will not deny that.The Bears totally screwed up. Looking at the film, there is no reason to drop DB's back 20-30 yards while up 10 points. They were basically playing 11 on 9 at that point in time. Everyone carves up prevent defenses. The Tebow is taking advantage of horrid coaching by the opposition in the 4th Q. None of these teams have learned from the mistakes of the Dolphins. They are in fact, duplicating them.

It's easy to look at things in hindsight and say the coaches are making mistakes as they very well could be however, we get to see it in hindsight. Let's just say the Bears didin't go into prevent and Decker or Thomas gets loose for a long TD pass because the Bears were being to aggressive. Then what would people be saying? I am guessing probably something like with such limited time on the clock the Bears should have used prevent to allow the clock to be killed.

Also, although the Bears were in prevent defence they did send a blitz on the play that allowed Willis to get open for a long reception. It was actually a good decision by Tebow and he made the right read which again shows he is excelling in late game situations.

 

[FavreCo]

Not sure what game you were watching, but the line for Denver did a marvelous job most of the game. I saw a pass play in the first quarter where Tebow stood in the pocket for a ridiculous 6-7 seconds, then rolled to his left and fired a pass. The Bears did get pressure at times, but it was hardly a situation where Tebow was under constant harrassment. The fact that Tebow HAD to roll out when he did was also a testament to the decent coverage by Chicago as much as any pressure they applied up front.

I wouldn't dispute that loosening the defense at the end of the game helped Tebow. The objective there was to keep everything in front of them and not get burned by the big play like the one Thomas dropped in the 3rd quarter. But if the Bears defensive pressure had been all that and a bag of chips the entire game, they should have been able to apply some amount of pressure late in regulation. Where Tebow was able to attack best was when he bought time. Zone coverage is hard to sustain indefinitely. When the receivers start to move around because of pressure on the QB, it essentially becomes man coverage. Someone will shake loose.

Marion Barber's gaffes were huge. Running out of bounds was his fault. Getting stripped of the ball was good play by Dumervil. Advantage: Denver

FYI, there are times where you actually get good pretection like that. I was watching the game where they dropped the DB's back 20-30 yards on the last 2 drives. They didn't do any of that before then. That's basically the prevent D.

They also went back to the normal D in OT but the Broncos didn't need much to get into FG range. Not sure what game you watched.

 

[FavreCo]

It's easy to look at things in hindsight and say the coaches are making mistakes as they very well could be however, we get to see it in hindsight. Let's just say the Bears didin't go into prevent and Decker or Thomas gets loose for a long TD pass because the Bears were being to aggressive. Then what would people be saying? I am guessing probably something like with such limited time on the clock the Bears should have used prevent to allow the clock to be killed. Also, although the Bears were in prevent defence they did send a blitz on the play that allowed Willis to get open for a long reception. It was actually a good decision by Tebow and he made the right read which again shows he is excelling in late game situations.

There are way more examples of a prevent D failing than there are playing the D that got you there. Everyone knows that the prevent D prevents you from winning and so far at least 3 teams have used it vs The Tebow (Miami, NYJ, CHI) and failed because of it.

 

[Bigdee]

Not sure what game you were watching, but the line for Denver did a marvelous job most of the game. I saw a pass play in the first quarter where Tebow stood in the pocket for a ridiculous 6-7 seconds, then rolled to his left and fired a pass. The Bears did get pressure at times, but it was hardly a situation where Tebow was under constant harrassment. The fact that Tebow HAD to roll out when he did was also a testament to the decent coverage by Chicago as much as any pressure they applied up front.

I wouldn't dispute that loosening the defense at the end of the game helped Tebow. The objective there was to keep everything in front of them and not get burned by the big play like the one Thomas dropped in the 3rd quarter. But if the Bears defensive pressure had been all that and a bag of chips the entire game, they should have been able to apply some amount of pressure late in regulation. Where Tebow was able to attack best was when he bought time. Zone coverage is hard to sustain indefinitely. When the receivers start to move around because of pressure on the QB, it essentially becomes man coverage. Someone will shake loose.

Marion Barber's gaffes were huge. Running out of bounds was his fault. Getting stripped of the ball was good play by Dumervil. Advantage: Denver

FYI, there are times where you actually get good pretection like that. I was watching the game where they dropped the DB's back 20-30 yards on the last 2 drives. They didn't do any of that before then. That's basically the prevent D.

They also went back to the normal D in OT but the Broncos didn't need much to get into FG range. Not sure what game you watched.

So then you admit that even their normal Def didn't 'prevent' Denver from being able to move the ball in OT... Just checkin'!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It's easy to look at things in hindsight and say the coaches are making mistakes as they very well could be however, we get to see it in hindsight. Let's just say the Bears didin't go into prevent and Decker or Thomas gets loose for a long TD pass because the Bears were being to aggressive. Then what would people be saying? I am guessing probably something like with such limited time on the clock the Bears should have used prevent to allow the clock to be killed. Also, although the Bears were in prevent defence they did send a blitz on the play that allowed Willis to get open for a long reception. It was actually a good decision by Tebow and he made the right read which again shows he is excelling in late game situations.

There are way more examples of a prevent D failing than there are playing the D that got you there. Everyone knows that the prevent D prevents you from winning and so far at least 3 teams have used it vs The Tebow (Miami, NYJ, CHI) and failed because of it.

You can't really win with fans.The game-winning play against the Jets came against an all out blitz and people went ape**** over the Jets sending all those guys.The pass that set up the game-tying FG against the Bears came against a blitz and people went ape**** over them not just sitting back and covering the deep sideline.In general I do agree with you, prevent defense costs a lot of teams yet teams continue to stick with it because it is viewed as the "safer" thing to do. It makes coaches feel all nice and snuggly comfortable and safe so they keep falling back to it. That said, football fans are reactionary and make 99% of their judgments based soley on the outcome. If they play prevent and lose on a fluke out of bounds play or onside kick then everyone jumps on them for being too conservative. If they stay aggressive and give up a big play then everyone jumps on them for being stupid and giving up a big play when all they had to do was milk the clock.

 

[ivnabru]

There were no excuses by me when the Bears were up 10 to 0. In fact, it was a very good executed game plan by the Bears. It is and was the type of defense that is built for stopping a young Tebow who is continuing to learn and grow as a young QB.

The Bears sold out for the run and for the most part were forcing Tebow into a pocket passer which we all know is not his strength. When he was able to get outside the pocket he was making things happen. Tebow will/must continue to get outside the pocket and make plays but more importantly he needs to grow as a pocket passer which I think he can.

You can't dispute the fact that there is no quit in Tebow. With the game on the line he has played well above expectations and although he has a long way to go as a QB, you and many others were wrong about one thing with Tebow....you have consistently said he can't win in the NFL, but he is proving that claim to be false. You can attribute it to many factors, and a bunch of what if's, but Tebow is a part of that team and is helping contribute to those wins.

I will not deny that.The Bears totally screwed up. Looking at the film, there is no reason to drop DB's back 20-30 yards while up 10 points. They were basically playing 11 on 9 at that point in time. Everyone carves up prevent defenses. The Tebow is taking advantage of horrid coaching by the opposition in the 4th Q. None of these teams have learned from the mistakes of the Dolphins. They are in fact, duplicating them.

The prevent worked. The Broncos missed the onsides kick after that score and the game was over. If Barber hadn't gotten too close to the sideline and been knocked out of bounds the Bears won. The prevent was the right call. The mistake they made defensively on that particular drive was allowing Tebow to complete a pass to the sideline. Execution not playcalling.You can say the outcome proved it was bad playcalling, but you'd be wrong.

Tebow can throw a good deep ball if you're not playing a prevent. That perfect strike that Thomas dropped in the 3rd would have been a long TD. We're not talking about a guy who has no chance at making a deep throw.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It's easy to look at things in hindsight and say the coaches are making mistakes as they very well could be however, we get to see it in hindsight.

Let's just say the Bears didin't go into prevent and Decker or Thomas gets loose for a long TD pass because the Bears were being to aggressive. Then what would people be saying? I am guessing probably something like with such limited time on the clock the Bears should have used prevent to allow the clock to be killed.

Also, although the Bears were in prevent defence they did send a blitz on the play that allowed Willis to get open for a long reception. It was actually a good decision by Tebow and he made the right read which again shows he is excelling in late game situations.

There are way more examples of a prevent D failing than there are playing the D that got you there. Everyone knows that the prevent D prevents you from winning and so far at least 3 teams have used it vs The Tebow (Miami, NYJ, CHI) and failed because of it.

I really am not sure of this. Coaches and teams play the stats and the odds that they feel give them the best chance of winning. We critisize when we see the results in hindsight.For example, if Barber does not run out of bounds, the prevent defence worked as it took the Broncos way more time to march down the field to get those 7 points than if Tebow would have threw a long one to Thomas or Decker taking very little time off the clock. The Broncos then would have not had enough time on the clock to march down to attempt a game tieing FG. Therefore the coach and stats guys would argue that if Barber stayed in bounds the Bears easily win the game due to great clock management.

The Tebow side would say that I don't care if a team is in prevent defence you still have to make the throws and plays for your team to get the win. I don't know how many other second year QB's do what Tebow has done in those situations and against those prevent defences but I don't know if it really matters at this stage.

A lot of things went right at the end for Tebow to get that win as have a lot of their other wins, but the fact that people like yourself are arguing for or against the wins is not my specific argument. My argument in the "for" Tebow side is that he is a young QB learing to become an NFL qb. The fact that he is winning is only a bonus for himself and the whole Broncos organization. If they manage to sneak into the playoffs it will only be one more opportunity for Tebow to continue to grow.

 

[FDC]

That perfect strike that Thomas dropped in the 3rd would have been a long TD.

Yep, and Prater had a FG blocked early too. Arguably a comeback shouldn't of had to of been mounted. I understand in previous games the point 'Broncos are winning in spite of Tebow's passing' was valid. I don't think you can say that anymore. At least in the Bears game its more accurate to say 'Broncos are winning in spite of very conservative playcalling and poor receiving play'. Tebow's passing is improving. How much though? The real test will be next week vs NE.

 

[sspunisher]

Wow as ugly as it is to watch Tebow run that offense, and as much as I want to hate the guy, I can't help but respect the way he goes about his business. His response to Urlacher's "I guess we got beat by a good running back" comment won me over.

What was it?

Not sure on the entirety of Tebow's response, but this is what caught my attention:Urlacher: "I guess we got beat by a good running back"Tebow: "I guess that's a compliment coming from a good player."

 

[ivnabru]

That perfect strike that Thomas dropped in the 3rd would have been a long TD.

Yep, and Prater had a FG blocked early too. Arguably a comeback shouldn't of had to of been mounted. I understand in previous games the point 'Broncos are winning in spite of Tebow's passing' was valid. I don't think you can say that anymore. At least in the Bears game its more accurate to say 'Broncos are winning in spite of very conservative playcalling and poor receiving play'. Tebow's passing is improving. How much though? The real test will be next week vs NE.

NE has the worst pass defense in the NFL. If Tebow can't throw on them then it says a lot of bad about him. If he throws for 200+ yards that doesn't say a lot about his progression IMO.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Saying something like, "The Broncos aren't winning because of Tebow, they're winning because of defense," or whatever else you want to attribute it to, is missing the point. Tebow may not look pretty or put up Rodgersesque fantasy stats, and they may not literally be winning games because of what Tebow is doing on the field, but the team is clearly playing better for Him. You can say that they won last night because Barber made mistakes, and the defense came up big, etc., but those things wouldn't have happened if a different QB was taking snaps for the Broncos. He has inspired this team; their strength of belief in Him has clearly been the difference in this winning streak. What He does on the field is irrelevant. It's what He's done in the locker room that is making all the difference.

But the thing is, there are no stats or anything that can 100% prove this - it is just something you get a sense of - so his critics will continue to point at things like his completion percentage as to why he supposedly sucks.