Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (1 Viewer)

[Hoss Style]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

 

[tom22406]

cant wait to see how skip bayless spins this one

Does he ever get anything right?Seen some of his ESPN clips on Tebow and they are quite comical how blind and dumb he really is.

 

[AmosMoses]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

KYLE ORTON

The judges say no.

 

[duaneok66]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

outstanding post.

 

[AmosMoses]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Say what?

 

[Two Deep]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

KYLE ORTON

The judges say no.

Huh! 10-5 with an 8 game win streak with him at the helm. I'll be damned the judges must be smoking crack!

 

[bonesman]

That said, I'm happy for Orton. That had to feel good. A nice FU to Denver, and I think more importantly for him, to the Denver fans.

Well, a win is a win, I guess... but I'm not sure 15/29 for 180 yds and no TDs is a nice FU. Especially when he'll be watching Tim Tebow on TV next week.

 

[jon_mx]

Oh come on. Tebow is must watch football no matter how terrible he looks. How many people want to see him beat Pittsburgh?

 

[fatness]

The last Broncos offensive play of the game was hilarious.

 

[Hoss Style]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Say what?

Really? You can't possibly be missing what your post is implying, right? And if somehow you thought it might not be implying anything at all - if you somehow thought it was just an innocent question you happened to post in this thread at the same time all the Tebow bashers were having a blast - then surely you realize now what your post looked liked. At the very least you read the other posts that assumed the exact same thing I did when reading your question.Or do you really still not understand why I asked you to "stop". If so, then apologies. There's no use for me to type any longer.

 

[Two Deep]

The last Broncos offensive play of the game was hilarious.

It's even better if you watch it without sound. Facial expressions are classic

 

[thatguy]

That said, I'm happy for Orton. That had to feel good. A nice FU to Denver, and I think more importantly for him, to the Denver fans.

Well, a win is a win, I guess... but I'm not sure 15/29 for 180 yds and no TDs is a nice FU. Especially when he'll be watching Tim Tebow on TV next week.

Oh, I agree it's not like he put the Chiefs on his shoulders or anything. In fact, as you said, he didn't play especially well (although losing Bowe hurt a lot). But still, I know it has to feel good for him. And, he did play a helluva lot better than the guy Denver kicked him to the curb for.

 

[moleculo]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Cosigned.

 

[thatguy]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Cosigned.

Add this guy to the list.

 

[OC Zed]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

 

[AmosMoses]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Say what?

Really? You can't possibly be missing what your post is implying, right? And if somehow you thought it might not be implying anything at all - if you somehow thought it was just an innocent question you happened to post in this thread at the same time all the Tebow bashers were having a blast - then surely you realize now what your post looked liked. At the very least you read the other posts that assumed the exact same thing I did when reading your question.Or do you really still not understand why I asked you to "stop". If so, then apologies. There's no use for me to type any longer.

You can't tell me what I mean. Am I here telling you what you mean? No.And yeah, I don't know why you want me to stop. I'm being positive here. A ton of people are spouting out all sorts of negativity except me. Go be negative if you like, I'm choosing the alternative. Not a Broncos fan, and definitely not a Tebow fan. I'm a positivity fan.

 

[AmosMoses]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

KYLE ORTON

The judges say no.

Huh! 10-5 with an 8 game win streak with him at the helm. I'll be damned the judges must be smoking crack!

Checked with the judges, yes they were under the influence.

 

[AmosMoses]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

 

[Hoss Style]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Say what?

Really? You can't possibly be missing what your post is implying, right? And if somehow you thought it might not be implying anything at all - if you somehow thought it was just an innocent question you happened to post in this thread at the same time all the Tebow bashers were having a blast - then surely you realize now what your post looked liked. At the very least you read the other posts that assumed the exact same thing I did when reading your question.Or do you really still not understand why I asked you to "stop". If so, then apologies. There's no use for me to type any longer.

You can't tell me what I mean. Am I here telling you what you mean? No.And yeah, I don't know why you want me to stop. I'm being positive here. A ton of people are spouting out all sorts of negativity except me. Go be negative if you like, I'm choosing the alternative. Not a Broncos fan, and definitely not a Tebow fan. I'm a positivity fan.

Did you read my post? I'm not "telling" you what you mean. I was asking if you saw what your post looked like - a defensive post in favor of Tebow. You seem like a pretty intelligent poster so I was confused when you posted "Say what?" like you had no idea what your post looked like.And I assumed that after you read my post you'd realize that I was just using your question as a springboard to make my plea to all the Tebow defenders - not just you. If you didn't realize that then I'm letting you know now. I wasn't just replying to your post - I was letting off steam as a down-in-the-dumps Broncos fan. Don't take it personally. Although I'm still confused as to how you completely didn't understand my post in response to your "positive" Tebow post.

But it is what it is. No offense was intended.

 

[FavreCo]

We need to hear from schnikes. He will tell us all who is to blame for this latest loss.

 

[AmosMoses]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Say what?

Really? You can't possibly be missing what your post is implying, right? And if somehow you thought it might not be implying anything at all - if you somehow thought it was just an innocent question you happened to post in this thread at the same time all the Tebow bashers were having a blast - then surely you realize now what your post looked liked. At the very least you read the other posts that assumed the exact same thing I did when reading your question.Or do you really still not understand why I asked you to "stop". If so, then apologies. There's no use for me to type any longer.

You can't tell me what I mean. Am I here telling you what you mean? No.And yeah, I don't know why you want me to stop. I'm being positive here. A ton of people are spouting out all sorts of negativity except me. Go be negative if you like, I'm choosing the alternative. Not a Broncos fan, and definitely not a Tebow fan. I'm a positivity fan.

Did you read my post? I'm not "telling" you what you mean. I was asking if you saw what your post looked like - a defensive post in favor of Tebow. You seem like a pretty intelligent poster so I was confused when you posted "Say what?" like you had no idea what your post looked like.And I assumed that after you read my post you'd realize that I was just using your question as a springboard to make my plea to all the Tebow defenders - not just you. If you didn't realize that then I'm letting you know now. I wasn't just replying to your post - I was letting off steam as a down-in-the-dumps Broncos fan. Don't take it personally. Although I'm still confused as to how you completely didn't understand my post in response to your "positive" Tebow post.

But it is what it is. No offense was intended.

If you tell me what I imply then you are telling me what I meant in my post, yes? Forgive me, I'm from Arkansas and we don't know alot of complicated words like that. That's what the "Say what" was about.But totally no offense here dude, and yeah I did think you are directing that post towards me and not as a more general one. I really hope you don't mind me giving some positive posts here, as it may happen again. Being positive > being negative.

 

[OC Zed]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

 

[Native]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Say what?

Really? You can't possibly be missing what your post is implying, right? And if somehow you thought it might not be implying anything at all - if you somehow thought it was just an innocent question you happened to post in this thread at the same time all the Tebow bashers were having a blast - then surely you realize now what your post looked liked. At the very least you read the other posts that assumed the exact same thing I did when reading your question.Or do you really still not understand why I asked you to "stop". If so, then apologies. There's no use for me to type any longer.

You can't tell me what I mean. Am I here telling you what you mean? No.And yeah, I don't know why you want me to stop. I'm being positive here. A ton of people are spouting out all sorts of negativity except me. Go be negative if you like, I'm choosing the alternative. Not a Broncos fan, and definitely not a Tebow fan. I'm a positivity fan.

Did you read my post? I'm not "telling" you what you mean. I was asking if you saw what your post looked like - a defensive post in favor of Tebow. You seem like a pretty intelligent poster so I was confused when you posted "Say what?" like you had no idea what your post looked like.And I assumed that after you read my post you'd realize that I was just using your question as a springboard to make my plea to all the Tebow defenders - not just you. If you didn't realize that then I'm letting you know now. I wasn't just replying to your post - I was letting off steam as a down-in-the-dumps Broncos fan. Don't take it personally. Although I'm still confused as to how you completely didn't understand my post in response to your "positive" Tebow post.

But it is what it is. No offense was intended.

If you tell me what I imply then you are telling me what I meant in my post, yes? Forgive me, I'm from Arkansas and we don't know alot of complicated words like that. That's what the "Say what" was about.But totally no offense here dude, and yeah I did think you are directing that post towards me and not as a more general one. I really hope you don't mind me giving some positive posts here, as it may happen again. Being positive > being negative.

Just horrible shtik here.

 

[fatness]

The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

Tebow hasn't been on an NFL team with a winning record.

 

[OC Zed]

The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

Tebow hasn't been on an NFL team with a winning record.

Good point.

 

[ivnabru]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

This kind of thing is why I think the Tebow haters haven't watched much of Denver.The Broncos don't have a strong defense. They have done well against bad offenses in some games. That's different. The Broncos defense is 25th in the NFL this year and that's against a pretty easy schedule. Since Tebow took the helm it's still one of the worst defenses in the AFC by points allowed, those numbers weren't compiled just in Orton's 5 games.

 

[charlatan]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

Just stop it. Please. As a Broncos fan, I'm asking. We have no defense here. As long as there are no Raiders, Cheifs or Chargers making fun of us - then we deserve it. We took a chance on Tebow this season. He didn't "lead" us anywhere. He contributed some big plays along with the rest of the team to get us to the division title... barely. I'll take it because when we look back historically it'll just show up as another division title for my Broncos. But the way we got it is there for all to see this year. Maybe years down the line I can color this as something that it's not because time blurs facts - but not right now. Everyone saw how we got in.Our QB is not looking good. We are going to take our lumps. I've said earlier in this thread that I'm not a fan of everything that FarveCo says (or the way he says it) but I'll be damned if he's isn't more right than those who are defending Tebow. When you're team is playing like this then expect to take some flak - and us Broncos fan are taking some right now.

If you are a "Tebow guy" then you need to take off the blinders. Look at why the Broncos won earlier in the year, how they won and who they beat during that winning streak. Look at it objectively and maybe then you'll stop the silly comments. If you are a Broncos fan, not just a Tebow fan, then you are probably in the same boat I am right now - sad that Tebow has regressed lately, sad that our D isn't *quite* as good as we thought (but still pretty good as shown today) and finally that our QB situation is just as muddled (if not more) than it ever was. As a Broncos fan my plan is to talk to the same guy Tebow's been talking to and hope that the Steelers play bad and we control the clock and pull out a miracle win. It would be a nice cap on a crazy, crazy season.

You want a real question, Amos? Revise it a little bit to read like this:

"Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years while looking this bad?"

/signed "A bitter, but realistic, Broncos fan"

Cosigned.

Ditto. I am one of those fans that wanted Teebow in to see what he could do (knowing that Orton was out at the end of the year). Thank goodness we now have a pretty good idea of what we've got at QB and we can start heading in the right direction sooner rather than later.

 

[OC Zed]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

This kind of thing is why I think the Tebow haters haven't watched much of Denver.The Broncos don't have a strong defense. They have done well against bad offenses in some games. That's different. The Broncos defense is 25th in the NFL this year and that's against a pretty easy schedule. Since Tebow took the helm it's still one of the worst defenses in the AFC by points allowed, those numbers weren't compiled just in Orton's 5 games.

In five of Tebow's seven wins, the defense allowed 15 points or less. The defense has carried them through the wins much more often than not (the Oakland and Minnesota games being the exception, although the defense still came up with numerous turnovers).

 

[moleculo]

Ditto. I am one of those fans that wanted Teebow in to see what he could do (knowing that Orton was out at the end of the year). Thank goodness we now have a pretty good idea of what we've got at QB and we can start heading in the right direction sooner rather than later.

I don't think we have any idea what he is...not really. We know he struggles with accuracy. We know that he takes too long to make a read. We know that he is a very good runner, and that really pressures the defense. We still don't have full confidence that he can be the guy.A big part of peoples opinions on Tebow is faith. I'm not talking about the religious bit, i'm talking about faith that he can improve. 2011 Tebow is not good enough of a thrower to QB in this league, i don't think many would argue that. That said, Tebow has everything else you might ever want in a QB, plus a good set of wheels. I hear stories of a legendary work ethic, and that gives me faith that he can improve. FavreCo, conversely, does not have faith that he will get better. At this point, IMO it's about potential that has been flashed a few times this year, but that's really what it's about for all first year starting QB's.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

It's pretty ironic that this exact finish 4 seasons ago got Skeletor canned but is being celebrated now.

 

[EBF]

MVP

 

[ivnabru]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

This kind of thing is why I think the Tebow haters haven't watched much of Denver.The Broncos don't have a strong defense. They have done well against bad offenses in some games. That's different. The Broncos defense is 25th in the NFL this year and that's against a pretty easy schedule. Since Tebow took the helm it's still one of the worst defenses in the AFC by points allowed, those numbers weren't compiled just in Orton's 5 games.

In five of Tebow's seven wins, the defense allowed 15 points or less. The defense has carried them through the wins much more often than not (the Oakland and Minnesota games being the exception, although the defense still came up with numerous turnovers).

Those 5 wins includeda Bears who averaged 11.75 PPG with Hanie as starter.The Dolphins who were at the time 0-6 and had scored 20 points or more once up to that point.The Chiefs who are the 2nd worst offense in the NFL (behind St Louis).The Jets on 3 days rest and Chargers were good showings by the D, the Vikings and Bills were bad showings.The rest were against terrible offenses or Lions/Pats who both scored 40+.Face it the Broncos faced an easy schedule which made the defense look better. The 31st defense in 2010 and 25th defense in 2011 isn't suddenly the best in the league as much as people want to pretend.

 

[FavreCo]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

This kind of thing is why I think the Tebow haters haven't watched much of Denver.The Broncos don't have a strong defense. They have done well against bad offenses in some games. That's different. The Broncos defense is 25th in the NFL this year and that's against a pretty easy schedule. Since Tebow took the helm it's still one of the worst defenses in the AFC by points allowed, those numbers weren't compiled just in Orton's 5 games.

In five of Tebow's seven wins, the defense allowed 15 points or less. The defense has carried them through the wins much more often than not (the Oakland and Minnesota games being the exception, although the defense still came up with numerous turnovers).

Those 5 wins includeda Bears who averaged 11.75 PPG with Hanie as starter.The Dolphins who were at the time 0-6 and had scored 20 points or more once up to that point.The Chiefs who are the 2nd worst offense in the NFL (behind St Louis).The Jets on 3 days rest and Chargers were good showings by the D, the Vikings and Bills were bad showings.The rest were against terrible offenses or Lions/Pats who both scored 40+.Face it the Broncos faced an easy schedule which made the defense look better. The 31st defense in 2010 and 25th defense in 2011 isn't suddenly the best in the league as much as people want to pretend.

No kidding. If they actually played real teams during the last 2 months, they would be have been in the hunt for Luck. Instead of a 3 game losing streak, it would have been about 10.

 

[Ghost Rider]

There is no way to defend how bad Tebow looked today, but keep in mind that the Chiefs defense played lights out under Crennel. Heck, they held the Packers to only 14 points (a team that averaged 36 points per game in their other 15 games), so struggling against that defense isn't exactly shameful. Either way, I expect the Broncos to run all day against the Steelers next week. Pittsburgh's run defense hasn't been as impenetrable as in years past, so I think they'll have some success. Enough to win? Not sure, but it sure be another low-scoring, boring game.

It's pretty ironic that this exact finish 4 seasons ago got Skeletor canned but is being celebrated now.

Who is celebrating it?

 

[Otis]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Owned.

 

[Otis]

7-4 and a division title in his first year starting. No he isn't throwing for 300 yards and no he doesn't have the prettiest throwing mechanics, but last I checked the goal here was to win football games. He's absolutely done that, and with a decent but not lights-out defense.

 

[charlatan]

I don't think we have any idea what he is...not really. We know he struggles with accuracy. We know that he takes too long to make a read. We know that he is a very good runner, and that really pressures the defense. We still don't have full confidence that he can be the guy.A big part of peoples opinions on Tebow is faith. I'm not talking about the religious bit, i'm talking about faith that he can improve. 2011 Tebow is not good enough of a thrower to QB in this league, i don't think many would argue that. That said, Tebow has everything else you might ever want in a QB, plus a good set of wheels. I hear stories of a legendary work ethic, and that gives me faith that he can improve. FavreCo, conversely, does not have faith that he will get better. At this point, IMO it's about potential that has been flashed a few times this year, but that's really what it's about for all first year starting QB's.

I hear you moleculo. I guess I would say this: I wanted a season to see where he is, because we really didn't know. Now that we do, and I think we agree that he needs a lot of work, my take is I don't believe that it's worth it. He will continue to bring a circus into camp every year, the book is out on defending this custom offense they've devised, and as long as we're playing this brand of football, receivers are going to run like hell from Denver. I am all for thinking outside the box on option football etc..., but the luck has run out, and as far as I am concerned, the experiment is over.Additionally, I think today solidified Elway's private thoughts on the matter, in so much as he'll work with him in the off season (to make camp competitive at the QB spot) and will leave him to win or lose the job against some talent acquired in the draft or through free agency. I absolutely LOVE the running game right now, and the o-line looks like the real deal, but if we could rush like this AND throw the ball... look out. Just my .02

 

[OC Zed]

7-4 and a division title in his first year starting. No he isn't throwing for 300 yards and no he doesn't have the prettiest throwing mechanics, but last I checked the goal here was to win football games. He's absolutely done that, and with a decent but not lights-out defense.

A playoff QB <> a good QB...Trent DilferShaun KingRex GrossmanJim MillerKordell StewartTommy MaddoxStan Humphries...all bad QBs who led their teams to the playoffs.(We can even throw Kyle Orton in there too if you like.)

 

[OC Zed]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

This kind of thing is why I think the Tebow haters haven't watched much of Denver.The Broncos don't have a strong defense. They have done well against bad offenses in some games. That's different. The Broncos defense is 25th in the NFL this year and that's against a pretty easy schedule. Since Tebow took the helm it's still one of the worst defenses in the AFC by points allowed, those numbers weren't compiled just in Orton's 5 games.

In five of Tebow's seven wins, the defense allowed 15 points or less. The defense has carried them through the wins much more often than not (the Oakland and Minnesota games being the exception, although the defense still came up with numerous turnovers).

Those 5 wins includeda Bears who averaged 11.75 PPG with Hanie as starter.The Dolphins who were at the time 0-6 and had scored 20 points or more once up to that point.The Chiefs who are the 2nd worst offense in the NFL (behind St Louis).The Jets on 3 days rest and Chargers were good showings by the D, the Vikings and Bills were bad showings.The rest were against terrible offenses or Lions/Pats who both scored 40+.Face it the Broncos faced an easy schedule which made the defense look better. The 31st defense in 2010 and 25th defense in 2011 isn't suddenly the best in the league as much as people want to pretend.

OK, they've relied on an incredibly weak schedule down the stretch to get them into the playoffs. I don't think that makes it a better argument in favor of Tebow.

 

[Steelers4Life]

There is no way to defend how bad Tebow looked today, but keep in mind that the Chiefs defense played lights out under Crennel. Heck, they held the Packers to only 14 points (a team that averaged 36 points per game in their other 15 games), so struggling against that defense isn't exactly shameful. Either way, I expect the Broncos to run all day against the Steelers next week. Pittsburgh's run defense hasn't been as impenetrable as in years past, so I think they'll have some success. Enough to win? Not sure, but it sure be another low-scoring, boring game.

It's pretty ironic that this exact finish 4 seasons ago got Skeletor canned but is being celebrated now.

Who is celebrating it?

I expect them to run all day against the Steelers, too. For about 2.4 yards per carry. Teams don't make a good living lining up against the Steelers a running it down their throat. If Ben's ankle is strong enough for him to be remotely close to his normal-self, the Steelers win by 2 touchdowns. If he's immobile again, the Steelers win by 7.

 

[OC Zed]

7-4 and a division title in his first year starting. No he isn't throwing for 300 yards and no he doesn't have the prettiest throwing mechanics, but last I checked the goal here was to win football games. He's absolutely done that, and with a decent but not lights-out defense.

A playoff QB <> a good QB...Trent DilferShaun KingRex GrossmanJim MillerKordell StewartTommy MaddoxStan Humphries...all bad QBs who led their teams to the playoffs.(We can even throw Kyle Orton in there too if you like.)

We can also these distinguished QBs to the list..Gus FrerotteQuincy CarterChris Simms

 

[ivnabru]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

Meh. I'd still take King's 10-6 over Tebow's 7-4 given how badly he's played down the stretch.And Grossman went 13-3 with a division title and a Superbowl appearance in his first year as a starter (he had played only 8 games in his first 3 seasons due to injuries).The bottom line is that King and Grossman followed a long line of bad QBs who still had winning regular seasons based on strong defenses. And Tebow belongs in the same category.

This kind of thing is why I think the Tebow haters haven't watched much of Denver.The Broncos don't have a strong defense. They have done well against bad offenses in some games. That's different. The Broncos defense is 25th in the NFL this year and that's against a pretty easy schedule. Since Tebow took the helm it's still one of the worst defenses in the AFC by points allowed, those numbers weren't compiled just in Orton's 5 games.

In five of Tebow's seven wins, the defense allowed 15 points or less. The defense has carried them through the wins much more often than not (the Oakland and Minnesota games being the exception, although the defense still came up with numerous turnovers).

Those 5 wins includeda Bears who averaged 11.75 PPG with Hanie as starter.The Dolphins who were at the time 0-6 and had scored 20 points or more once up to that point.The Chiefs who are the 2nd worst offense in the NFL (behind St Louis).The Jets on 3 days rest and Chargers were good showings by the D, the Vikings and Bills were bad showings.The rest were against terrible offenses or Lions/Pats who both scored 40+.Face it the Broncos faced an easy schedule which made the defense look better. The 31st defense in 2010 and 25th defense in 2011 isn't suddenly the best in the league as much as people want to pretend.

OK, they've relied on an incredibly weak schedule down the stretch to get them into the playoffs. I don't think that makes it a better argument in favor of Tebow.

It's not an argument in favor of Tebow. I just happen to live in the real world.I just think it's moronic to pretend the Broncos have a great or even average defense because it fits the Tebow is terrible world view.The Broncos aren't a good team, that doesn't mean they can't make some noise in the playoffs in an incredibly flawed AFC. But I would be very surprised if they beat Pitt.

 

[FavreCo]

7-4 and a division title in his first year starting. No he isn't throwing for 300 yards and no he doesn't have the prettiest throwing mechanics, but last I checked the goal here was to win football games. He's absolutely done that, and with a decent but not lights-out defense.

All he does is....lose.

 

[Ghost Rider]

There is no way to defend how bad Tebow looked today, but keep in mind that the Chiefs defense played lights out under Crennel. Heck, they held the Packers to only 14 points (a team that averaged 36 points per game in their other 15 games), so struggling against that defense isn't exactly shameful. Either way, I expect the Broncos to run all day against the Steelers next week. Pittsburgh's run defense hasn't been as impenetrable as in years past, so I think they'll have some success. Enough to win? Not sure, but it sure be another low-scoring, boring game.

It's pretty ironic that this exact finish 4 seasons ago got Skeletor canned but is being celebrated now.

Who is celebrating it?

I expect them to run all day against the Steelers, too. For about 2.4 yards per carry. Teams don't make a good living lining up against the Steelers a running it down their throat.

Generally speaking, that is true, but the few teams the Steelers played this year that can actually run the ball well did pretty well against them - Houston ran it all over them; Jones-Drew had a good day against them; Ray Rice ran it all over them in week 1 and would have statistically as well in the 2nd Pit/Balt game had that TD run on the first play of the game not been wiped out by a bogus holding call; SF had a poor YPC against them, but still got 100 as a team against them. And none of those teams run the ball as well as the Broncos do as a team. Should be a good matchup.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

cant wait to see how skip bayless spins this one

Does he ever get anything right?Seen some of his ESPN clips on Tebow and they are quite comical how blind and dumb he really is.

once skip clueless likes someone, they can do no wrong because any wrong is someone elses fault. i can already hear him "all tebow did was lead the broncos to the playoffs". he'll completely gloss over that tebow has sucked, and that their record is a whopping 8-8. i really think that skip believes that if he says something negative about tebow, god will send a lightning bolt into the studio and kill him. the den-buf game was classic. 1st he #####es that den runs against the bad run defense, then #####es that tebow was forced to pass into a great secondary. listening to skip's lunatic ravings is more fun than watching most sitcoms these days..

 

[Ghost Rider]

once skip clueless likes someone, they can do no wrong because any wrong is someone elses fault. i can already hear him "all tebow did was lead the broncos to the playoffs". he'll completely gloss over that tebow has sucked, and that their record is a whopping 8-8. i really think that skip believes that if he says something negative about tebow, god will send a lightning bolt into the studio and kill him. the den-buf game was classic. 1st he #####es that den runs against the bad run defense, then #####es that tebow was forced to pass into a great secondary. listening to skip's lunatic ravings is more fun than watching most sitcoms these days..

No, he'll blame it on Willis for not catching that late pass down the sidelines.

 

[fatness]

The last time Denver failed to score more than 3 points was 1971.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Anyone got a list of QBs that took their team to a division title within 2 years?

I think the immortal Shaun King and Rex Grossman make that list.

King went 10-6 year 2. Close, but no division title.Grossman - not close, sorry.

10-6 would've won the division for the Broncos and maybe a #3 seed. So any QB who led their team to at least 8-8 in their first two years qualifies.

 

[munchkin]

That said, I'm happy for Orton. That had to feel good. A nice FU to Denver, and I think more importantly for him, to the Denver fans.

Well, a win is a win, I guess... but I'm not sure 15/29 for 180 yds and no TDs is a nice FU. Especially when he'll be watching Tim Tebow on TV next week.

Maybe, but Tebow was not good enough to beat him. What does that say about his ability? Fans can afford to be delusional, good GM's and owners can't.My guess is it isn't strictly personal for Orton at any rate; this is a road well traveled for him. Orton is good enough to stay in the League for a number of years as a competent backup. If Tebow doesn't show improvement as a passer he may be out of the League before Orton. Maybe he has a greater calling, who knows.

 

[Max Power]

That said, I'm happy for Orton. That had to feel good. A nice FU to Denver, and I think more importantly for him, to the Denver fans.

Well, a win is a win, I guess... but I'm not sure 15/29 for 180 yds and no TDs is a nice FU. Especially when he'll be watching Tim Tebow on TV next week.

Maybe, but Tebow was not good enough to beat him. What does that say about his ability? Fans can afford to be delusional, good GM's and owners can't.My guess is it isn't strictly personal for Orton at any rate; this is a road well traveled for him. Orton is good enough to stay in the League for a number of years as a competent backup. If Tebow doesn't show improvement as a passer he may be out of the League before Orton. Maybe he has a greater calling, who knows.

I totally agree with this. Although I get the feeling you are under-selling Orton here. I like Orton a lot. No, he will never be a great QB, but in the right system, I think he is a top 15 QB in this league. I wouldn't be suprised to see him take the job from Cassell in the near future. If Charles returns to elite form, that could be a very dangerous offense with Orton at the helm.