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Tim Tebow (post Manning signing) (1 Viewer)
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Goldfinger007
Footballguy
Gotta think Jacksonville is ringing the phone as well...
My call is Carolina.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
A-11?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Jacksonville makes too much sense to see happen. I can really see Stephen Ross putting pressure on Ireland to land Tebow, which would be a train wreck (IMHO) since they hired Philbin largely because of his ability to run the same system that Aaron Rodgers flourished under.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I doubt he'll beat out Cam Newton again...I think Tebow will try to get them to trade him to a place where he might start. That said, if he goes somewhere as a backup, Carolina makes as much sense as anywhere.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah them WCO coaches seem very infelxible when it comes to the system and I doubt Tebow would do well in that system. He needs a system tailor made for him, al least Fox was smart enuff to do that for him.
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MightyMice
Footballguy
Philly needs a good back-up to Vick. Just like last year, when they bring in a mobile, left-handed QB who was a stud college player and can't run a WCO...Tebow makes sense for JAX from a marketing perspective, and Henne can't be firmly entrenched as the starter there. The new JAX owner was very pro-Tebow publically, saying the franchise should have taken him in the draft. Hmmm.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Henne isn't the starter, Gabbert is.
I know he will not get the chance to beat out Cam...but Fox gets his RB and Rivera gets his backup for a guy who looked like he was playing flag football. Only a fool would think the Panthers were not lucky to get Cam out of 2011 in one piece and Tebow is the best backup/short situation QB for their system. Tebow has no say in this...so he will go where they toss him.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
It's ironic that the thing that made Tebow "successful" (Fox's willingness to adapt his offense) is the same thing that got him replaced.
RBM
Footballguy
You talkin about Young? He is not a lefty.
MightyMice
Footballguy
Oops. Thought VY was a southpaw. Yes, was referring to bringing in Young last year. Mobile, athletic bacup in the Vick mold, looked very out of place in their WCO - and that's an understatement. See lots of similarities - being a lefty is just not one of them!
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Nha, I think that Peyton Manning got him replaced. If Peyton isnt available Denver rolls with Tebow this year
az_prof
Footballguy
They released Orton to find a new team when Tebow took over. Why wouldn't they do the same for Tebow? I don't think they will get anything for him in a trade as no team will trade for him unless they know Tebow wants to play there. And so they will just wait for Denver to release him. Denver won't want to keep him because it will be a circus.
JaxBill
Footballguy
as far as marketing, the Jags had a marketing survey done before tebow's draft which showed the uptick would be minimal.Shad Khan would have to go force gene Smith to trade for him since I've seen numerous tweets from beat writers saying that Gene Smith and Jags football people had no interest in Tebow. Most of the Tebow to Jacksonvlle talk has come from national folks with little local ties.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I think this is BS. Not that they said it, but that it's true. The dude set records for jersey sales in Denver. You don't think there's money to be made off of him in Jax? If you don't think Gator fans that have never been to a Jaguars game won't flock to the stadium to see Tim, then you don't understand Gator fans.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
That's what I mean though. It was the teams willingness to let Manning run the offense that got him
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Exactly. And if you don't think there are Florida State fans, and Georgia fans, and Miami fans and most importantly Jacksonville Jaguars that do not want the Jaguars to become the ex-Gator NFL team then there is a lot you do not understand as well.
Grimace59
Footballguy
What about the Patriots? Tebow played his best football under Danieals, NE was a place they thought Tebow could have landed in the draft. Give BB time to develop the Kid but also use him as a gimmick, ALA Kordel Stewart. This is of course dependent on if the Pats actually were thinking of drafting the kid in the 2nd/3rd.
twistd
Footballguy
I agree with you, that Tebow goes to the Fins. Jacksonville just signed Henne to go with Gabbert. Cleveland might have an interest, but I think Miami has gotten the cold shoulder from both Flynn and Manning. They obviously are looking for an upgrade. I'd guess that Tebow could be had for a second round pick. Get him back to Florida, and it should sell tickets down there. It just makes the most sense to me. That is unless Holmgren is a believer.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
All I know is he has legions of fans in Florida. Joe Robbie sold out down here in Miami for Tim Tebow day last year...that's right it was Gator day but it seemed like TT Day.
Miami is a complete circus right now, Tebow would be the icing on the cake.
Miami is a complete circus right now, Tebow would be the icing on the cake.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
what would it cost to trade for a Tebow, 4th or 5th round pick?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Why trade? Make Denver cut him
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Just posted this in one of the other 23 Manning/Tebow threads. Makes no sense to pony up anything for Tebow.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He won't come to Cleveland, no way Holmgren puts his seal of approval on him. It's Miami or Jacksonville. I think Stephen Ross' desparation/cluelessness trumps Jacksonville's new ownership. Although I'd argue Tebow would be an upgrade in Jax, he's not in Miami though, Moore is a much better QB but he doesn't put asses in seats which is all idiot Ross cares about.Poor Philbin...
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Well, that's all folks. We have a Browns fan who feels sorry for Miami. We have truly hit rock bottom.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It's easier to handle if you expect it. Another thing the 3 of our teams have in common? We're all just chasing Matt Barkley next year.Woo hoo?Well, that's all folks. We have a Browns fan who feels sorry for Miami. We have truly hit rock bottom.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Daniels was fired before Tebow got his chance to start.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Jesus, how many RB's do they need?
cstu
Footballguy
Not for Miami but if another team wants him they'll have to trade for him.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Jaguars STH poll from 2010. 55% - 45% for Do Not Draft Tebow.http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2010-03-09/story/jaguars-fan-poll-do-not-take-tim-tebow
Grimace59
Footballguy
He started the last 4 games of the 2010 season and played very well... sparked allot of Tebow debated before this last preseason.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
McDaniels was fired mid-season, prior to those games at the end of 2010.Your point is still valid though, they were still running McDaniels' offense and he performed well in that scheme. It's a lot more similar to what he ran in college than Denver's run-until-its-3rd-and-long-and-then-throw-50-yards-downfield scheme from last year.
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shader
Footballguy
I feel that the off-season has resulted in a number of people forgetting the good things Tebow did. That being said, if he heads to the wrong system I think he will fail.
The one thing Tebow cannot have happen is to go to a bad situation and get forced into a starting role. In Miami, he'd have a decent line and two solid running backs, so that would be positive....but his receivers would be terrible.
I'm one of the few that believes that Tebow can improve his passing skills. As such, I think he needs to temporarily go to a backup role. Carolina, New England, or even Denver make sense to me. He needs to go somewhere where there won't be any pressure on him to start, but in which he can be the main backup and get a lot of practice time.
He also needs to go somewhere where there is a QB coach/OC that is intrigued with his potential, but doesn't feel the need to start him right away.
It's funny, I was listening to Rich Gannon crucify Tebow for his 46% completion percentage, and saying that the Broncos had no desire for him.
Yet Gannon's first full season he had only a 52% percentage, and also threw 16 int's. And this was his FOURTH year in the league!
Tebow is heading into year 3, and for some reason, people seem to think that he can't improve? Why can every other QB in NFL history be given the benefit of the doubt, as to their future abilities, but no one thinks Tim can improve?
If he can throw 55-60 percent, with his intangibles, watch out.
The problem is that if he goes to Miami, and sucks royally, then his reputation will be shot, and he might not get another chance at success. If he gets to ride the pine for a year in a backup role and learn, he might be in much better shape when his number is called again.
The one thing Tebow cannot have happen is to go to a bad situation and get forced into a starting role. In Miami, he'd have a decent line and two solid running backs, so that would be positive....but his receivers would be terrible.
I'm one of the few that believes that Tebow can improve his passing skills. As such, I think he needs to temporarily go to a backup role. Carolina, New England, or even Denver make sense to me. He needs to go somewhere where there won't be any pressure on him to start, but in which he can be the main backup and get a lot of practice time.
He also needs to go somewhere where there is a QB coach/OC that is intrigued with his potential, but doesn't feel the need to start him right away.
It's funny, I was listening to Rich Gannon crucify Tebow for his 46% completion percentage, and saying that the Broncos had no desire for him.
Yet Gannon's first full season he had only a 52% percentage, and also threw 16 int's. And this was his FOURTH year in the league!
Tebow is heading into year 3, and for some reason, people seem to think that he can't improve? Why can every other QB in NFL history be given the benefit of the doubt, as to their future abilities, but no one thinks Tim can improve?
If he can throw 55-60 percent, with his intangibles, watch out.
The problem is that if he goes to Miami, and sucks royally, then his reputation will be shot, and he might not get another chance at success. If he gets to ride the pine for a year in a backup role and learn, he might be in much better shape when his number is called again.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I'm in the 'hater' category as I'm skeptical he's going to become a good qb. But he has actually flashed talent. I think now is the time to go buy him for a song in dynasty leagues. He's likely to drift into obscurity...but if he can step it up a bit he's got elite fantasy qb potential (thanks to his legs).
Tebow is a pretty cheap backup right now I believe...so he may not go anywhere, although I think DEN does like Adam Webber so it wouldn't take much to get him....
and I think Timmy wants to play....not sit......he may be a great team guy, but when push comes to shove, he has had his taste of what it is like to be a starter and I think he liked it....he will ask to be dealt
and I think Timmy wants to play....not sit......he may be a great team guy, but when push comes to shove, he has had his taste of what it is like to be a starter and I think he liked it....he will ask to be dealt
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Who was it that said, "He has some of the worst mechanics I've ever seen on a pro prospect"? I think he needs to move to another position.
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shader
Footballguy
If I were the Broncos, I'd keep Tebow. But only if Fox and Elway do like him and honestly do believe he could be something one day. Sometimes you hear reports that they were desperately looking to get away from him. I don't know if this is true or not.But what I do know is that Peyton is the one guy that could get that would allow them to keep Tebow on the bench. The fans aren't going to clamor for Tebow with Peyton throwing for 4500 yards (assuming he is able to).So if the Broncos still believe in him, keep him on the team and let him learn from Peyton and take over in 3-4 years.
but do you think Timmy is cool with that after having been a starter.....I don't.....I think he and his management would ask to be dealt to capitalize on the Timmy fever...just don't see him waiting 3-4 years....
Mile High
Footballguy
Who is Tebow going to start for? I hope Denver holds on to him. He will be a much better player in the future learning from Manning/Elway.
Not factoring in anything (contracts, signings,offensive systems, coaching,etc) besides who he would be competing with, he could start/compete for the starting job:
CLE
MIA
JAC
MIN
AZ
NYJ
TB
OAK
SF
SEA
KC
CLE
MIA
JAC
MIN
AZ
NYJ
TB
OAK
SF
SEA
KC
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Neither Manning or the Broncos want the Tebowmania distraction once Manning is officially signed. Tebow is gone.
kurtrudder
Footballguy
lmao, are you talking fantasy 4th/5th rounders..Denver will not trade him unless they get a premium price. Why should they take anything less than a 1st rounder? Its win win for Denver. Tebow is on a very generous rookie contract who has already proven he can win in this league. They have no legit backup to hold Peyton's strap.....or if his neck fails. No doubt Denver will of course explore trade options because there is a market, but they don't take peanuts, otherwise it makes too much sense to keep him
