Timdraft # 2 (1 Viewer)

[HighBeams]

If people are dissatisfied with the categories, please don't just offer new ones unless you also name one that you think it should replace. tia

My categories are better than all of yours. So there.

Stupid TRE.

Wrestling is dumb.

So TRE = Wrestling? Got it.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Oh, what the heck. I'll play.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Don't get "novel" under 200 pages. At what point will you distinguish between novel and short story?

From Wikipedia:

Novelist Jane Smiley suggests that length is an important quality of the novel.[1] However, novels can vary tremendously in length; Smiley lists novels as typically being between 100,000 and 175,000 words,[2] while National Novel Writing Month requires its novels to be at least 50,000 words. In part because of this wide variation, the boundary between a novella and a novel may be arbitrary and difficult to determine.[3] But while the length of a novel is to a large extent up to its writer,[4] lengths may also vary by sub-genre; many young adult novels start at a length of about 16,000 words,[5] and a typical mystery novel might be in the 60,000 to 80,000 word range while a thriller could be over 100,000 words.[6]The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America specifies word lengths for each category of its Nebula award categories:[7]Classification Word countNovel over 40,000 wordsNovella 17,500 to 40,000 wordsNovelette 7,500 to 17,500 wordsShort story under 7,500 words

It's not really that hard. Most books will clearly be a short story or not. If it's under about 100 pages, it's probably not a novel.

 

[BobbyLayne]

To make it more of a potpourri, I'd like to suggest adding some business & commerce categories.Best/worst meger-hostile takeoverBest/worst IPOBest privately held companyFor the Greatest American Draft, we had a category for Greatest Humanitarian. How about greatest/best community service organization? I'm thnking mainly of the charitable efforts of secular organizations you typically find in any American town, but maybe we could include faith-based efforts.

Not really in love with these.

Best choreographer Modern Dance 1923 -I'll judge it, provide clear criteria, and point folks to generic Wiki articles.Best Symphonic Orchestras (Global)U.S. only would quickly devolve into well funded big city organizations vs. middle market/regional.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Too sports and music heavy IMO

Agree with this, but can't think of anything interesting to replace them with.

 

[DCThunder]

I really don't like the team categories. Best College Offense, Best College Defense, Best NBA defense etc. Are these based just on the stats? Some college from back in the 1930s that went 7-0-2 and gave up only 3 touchdowns for the season would be the winner. I just think these type categories don't make much sense logically.

 

[timschochet]

Oh, what the heck. I'll play.

Welcome back. I've tried to take your criticism to heart, and I hope you'll find that I'm not quite as dictatorial.

 

[timschochet]

I really don't like the team categories. Best College Offense, Best College Defense, Best NBA defense etc. Are these based just on the stats? Some college from back in the 1930s that went 7-0-2 and gave up only 3 touchdowns for the season would be the winner. I just think these type categories don't make much sense logically.

They're supposed to be based more on the eyeball test than on stats. I included them because it's a common debate among sports fans, it seems like every year: is this one of the greatest defenses or offenses we've ever seen? So I thought it would be fun to contrast and compare. However, if other drafters agree with you on this, then I'll seek to replace them. Personally, I figured it would be really fun.

 

[timschochet]

Best choreographer Modern Dance 1923 -I'll judge it, provide clear criteria, and point folks to generic Wiki articles.Best Symphonic Orchestras (Global)U.S. only would quickly devolve into well funded big city organizations vs. middle market/regional.

These are both very interesting to me. I fear that they won't be to other people, so before adding them, I'd like to get some feedback from other drafters. Also, if we add them, what should they replace?

 

[urbanhack]

My link

 

[timschochet]

In so far:

DC Thunder

Tish156

jwb

Mister CIA

BobbyLayne

Usual21

Mrs. Rannous

That's 7. (Frostilicus was mentioned as well, but hasn't committed himself.) I will also be a drafter unless we can get at least 15 total, in which case I will bow out this time and only judge. Let's see who else is interested.

 

[Keerock]

I will judge "junk food" and "spin off TV show" if you'd like...

 

[DCThunder]

I really don't like the team categories. Best College Offense, Best College Defense, Best NBA defense etc. Are these based just on the stats? Some college from back in the 1930s that went 7-0-2 and gave up only 3 touchdowns for the season would be the winner. I just think these type categories don't make much sense logically.

They're supposed to be based more on the eyeball test than on stats. I included them because it's a common debate among sports fans, it seems like every year: is this one of the greatest defenses or offenses we've ever seen? So I thought it would be fun to contrast and compare. However, if other drafters agree with you on this, then I'll seek to replace them. Personally, I figured it would be really fun.

Well, every boxing match is the "Fight of the Century" and to ESPN, we had the "Game of the Century" in 2002 or so and then again last year. Every year, some team has the "Greatest Defense of All Time" according to somebody on TV or a message board. The whole concept is silly, IMHO.

 

[timschochet]

Bump.

Still only 7 drafters. We're going to need around twice that if this is going to happen.

 

[Corky]

Best condiment

Best part of speech

Worst movie for a great actor

Best conspiracy theory

Most notorious criminal

Best surgery

Most disgusting food

Best Jump The Shark moment

Most overblown media event

 

[timschochet]

Best condiment

Best part of speech

Worst movie for a great actor

Best conspiracy theory

Most notorious criminal

Best surgery

Most disgusting food

Best Jump The Shark moment

Most overblown media event

Some of these are very interesting. The bolded is close to something we just did. If this draft is successful, there will probably be a Timdraft #3, and I'll certainly include at least some of these. Or if people feel we should do any of them now, just let me know which existing ones should be replaced.

However, none of this will matter unless we get enough drafters.

 

[higgins]

I volunteer to judge:

- Greatest FFA thread of all time

- Greatest MLB third baseman of all time

 

[krista4]

Don't get "novel" under 200 pages. At what point will you distinguish between novel and short story?

From Wikipedia:

Novelist Jane Smiley suggests that length is an important quality of the novel.[1] However, novels can vary tremendously in length; Smiley lists novels as typically being between 100,000 and 175,000 words,[2] while National Novel Writing Month requires its novels to be at least 50,000 words. In part because of this wide variation, the boundary between a novella and a novel may be arbitrary and difficult to determine.[3] But while the length of a novel is to a large extent up to its writer,[4] lengths may also vary by sub-genre; many young adult novels start at a length of about 16,000 words,[5] and a typical mystery novel might be in the 60,000 to 80,000 word range while a thriller could be over 100,000 words.[6]The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America specifies word lengths for each category of its Nebula award categories:[7]Classification Word countNovel over 40,000 wordsNovella 17,500 to 40,000 wordsNovelette 7,500 to 17,500 wordsShort story under 7,500 words

It's not really that hard. Most books will clearly be a short story or not. If it's under about 100 pages, it's probably not a novel.

Actually, it has proved to be hard in prior drafts, perhaps before your time, to separate novellas and short stories. Pretty sure I wouldn't link Jane Smiley as my expert on this, but if you guys think there won't be any interpretation issues on this without giving firm guidelines, then go for it. . Just don't ##### and complain about questionable rulings.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'll judge Best & Worst American Miltary Victory/Defeat. Will post criteria this weekend.

Tim

 

[Tremendous Upside]

In

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Don't get "novel" under 200 pages. At what point will you distinguish between novel and short story?

From Wikipedia:

Novelist Jane Smiley suggests that length is an important quality of the novel.[1] However, novels can vary tremendously in length; Smiley lists novels as typically being between 100,000 and 175,000 words,[2] while National Novel Writing Month requires its novels to be at least 50,000 words. In part because of this wide variation, the boundary between a novella and a novel may be arbitrary and difficult to determine.[3] But while the length of a novel is to a large extent up to its writer,[4] lengths may also vary by sub-genre; many young adult novels start at a length of about 16,000 words,[5] and a typical mystery novel might be in the 60,000 to 80,000 word range while a thriller could be over 100,000 words.[6]The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America specifies word lengths for each category of its Nebula award categories:[7]Classification Word countNovel over 40,000 wordsNovella 17,500 to 40,000 wordsNovelette 7,500 to 17,500 wordsShort story under 7,500 words

It's not really that hard. Most books will clearly be a short story or not. If it's under about 100 pages, it's probably not a novel.

Actually, it has proved to be hard in prior drafts, perhaps before your time, to separate novellas and short stories. Pretty sure I wouldn't link Jane Smiley as my expert on this, but if you guys think there won't be any interpretation issues on this without giving firm guidelines, then go for it. . Just don't ##### and complain about questionable rulings.

I was more citing the Hugo definitions than those of whoever Jane Smiley is. If it can't be published as a stand alone book, it's probably too short to be counted.

 

[Abraham]

Best savory snack?

 

[timschochet]

In so far:

DC Thunder

Tish156

jwb

Mister CIA

BobbyLayne

Usual21

Mrs. Rannous

Tremendous Upside

That's 8. Looking for more.

 

[rikishiboy]

In, now i will go look at the categories,but definately in.

 

[rikishiboy]

Some interesting categories, though I do agree it istoo sport heavy. I would recommend keeping only 1 sports offense and defense category and moving the others to TD3. I have one category suggestion and recommend it replaces Non Heisman winner, though I prefer this category to any team ones (but they have to be replaced in pairs)

category idea----Best Non Tragic News Story of the Last 20 years.

----i would also stipulate that stories of heroism due to a tragedy would not be allowed. In the past I tried to run a disaster draft, but it was deemed too controversial. This is why I am suggesting Non Tragic.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Best choreographer Modern Dance 1923 -I'll judge it, provide clear criteria, and point folks to generic Wiki articles.Best Symphonic Orchestras (Global)U.S. only would quickly devolve into well funded big city organizations vs. middle market/regional.

These are both very interesting to me. I fear that they won't be to other people, so before adding them, I'd like to get some feedback from other drafters. Also, if we add them, what should they replace?

Anyone have an opinion on either of these, for good or ill.My thought with suggesting these - as well as the business/commerce/community service suggestions offered earlier - is that one of the most satisfying aspects of a TimDraft is they are so informative. Not to be too presumptive, but these will almost surely be categories that will provide a 30k ft education to anyone interested.Personally I think the four best offense/defense teams could easily be dropped.

 

[rikishiboy]

I gotta be honest,i can only name one choreographer and i am sure that person would not score well. However,i do like the category because when this is done i will know more. I also like the orchestra category.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I like the choreography and orchestra categories

Agree on dropping best/worst sports teams...very blah IMO

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Best duet song

I'll judge this catgegory if you'd like.

 

[nysportsfan]

As a former fat slob, I would consider judging the junk food category.

 

[timschochet]

Very well. We will dispense with the following 5 categories:

NBA offense

NBA defense

College Football offense

College Football defense

Non-Heisman winner

And replace them with these 5, as suggested by Bobbylayne, rikisihiboy, and Corky:

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)

Best choreographer

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Worst Movie for a great actor

Most disgusting food

 

[timschochet]

9 In so far:

DC Thunder

Tish156

jwb

Mister CIA

BobbyLayne

Usual21

Mrs. Rannous

Tremendous Upside

rikishiboy

 

[Keerock]

As I mentioned yesterday... I will judge Junk Food and Spinoff TV Show

 

[timschochet]

As I mentioned yesterday... I will judge Junk Food and Spinoff TV Show

Sorry I missed this. nysportsfan, Keerock already volunteered for junk food, sorry about that.

 

[DCThunder]

I may have to drop out of this thing. Keep me in for now, but that might change.

 

[timschochet]

I may have to drop out of this thing. Keep me in for now, but that might change.

If it's a question of timing, we're not going to start until we get more people anyhow.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Very well. We will dispense with the following 5 categories:

NBA offense

NBA defense

College Football offense

College Football defense

Non-Heisman winner

And replace them with these 5, as suggested by Bobbylayne, rikisihiboy, and Corky:

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)

Best choreographer

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Worst Movie for a great actor

Most disgusting food

I had in mind Best Choreographer Modern Dance to distinguish from ballet choreography.

 

[timschochet]

Very well. We will dispense with the following 5 categories:

NBA offense

NBA defense

College Football offense

College Football defense

Non-Heisman winner

And replace them with these 5, as suggested by Bobbylayne, rikisihiboy, and Corky:

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)

Best choreographer

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Worst Movie for a great actor

Most disgusting food

I had in mind Best Choreographer Modern Dance to distinguish from ballet choreography.

I have a feeling that most people are going to choose modern dance or Broadway guys anyhow. But no problem.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Very well. We will dispense with the following 5 categories:

NBA offense

NBA defense

College Football offense

College Football defense

Non-Heisman winner

And replace them with these 5, as suggested by Bobbylayne, rikisihiboy, and Corky:

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)

Best choreographer

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Worst Movie for a great actor

Most disgusting food

I had in mind Best Choreographer Modern Dance to distinguish from ballet choreography.

I have a feeling that most people are going to choose modern dance or Broadway guys anyhow. But no problem.

Bob Fosse is not eligible. But that would be an interesting category for another draft.

Modern Dance was initially a reaction to, a rebellion against, ballet. Today every dancer studies both ballet and modern dance, but at one time they were distinct.

Upon further reflection, I wouldn't care if someone drafted a ballet choreographer. Many Modern Dance folks crossover, and vice versa. But my criteria will make it plain what I'm looking for; the category is intended to highlight innovation and changes in dance since 1923.

 

[Doug B]

Hadn't seen this thread until just now. I'll be IN.

 

[timschochet]

Very well. We will dispense with the following 5 categories:

NBA offense

NBA defense

College Football offense

College Football defense

Non-Heisman winner

And replace them with these 5, as suggested by Bobbylayne, rikisihiboy, and Corky:

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)

Best choreographer

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Worst Movie for a great actor

Most disgusting food

I had in mind Best Choreographer Modern Dance to distinguish from ballet choreography.

I have a feeling that most people are going to choose modern dance or Broadway guys anyhow. But no problem.

Bob Fosse is not eligible. But that would be an interesting category for another draft.

Modern Dance was initially a reaction to, a rebellion against, ballet. Today every dancer studies both ballet and modern dance, but at one time they were distinct.

Upon further reflection, I wouldn't care if someone drafted a ballet choreographer. Many Modern Dance folks crossover, and vice versa. But my criteria will make it plain what I'm looking for; the category is intended to highlight innovation and changes in dance since 1923.

I presume you'll be the judge so it's up to you. But IMO you're limiting it too much. I think you SHOULD allow Fosse and other Broadway guys. There's not enough of them for their own category, and I think it would be fascinating and fun to compare them to the people you have in mind. Just my opinion.

 

[Corky]

I'll judge the two categories I submitted.

 

[krista4]

I'll judge great actor in worst movie if not taken.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Very well. We will dispense with the following 5 categories:

NBA offense

NBA defense

College Football offense

College Football defense

Non-Heisman winner

And replace them with these 5, as suggested by Bobbylayne, rikisihiboy, and Corky:

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)

Best choreographer

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Worst Movie for a great actor

Most disgusting food

I had in mind Best Choreographer Modern Dance to distinguish from ballet choreography.

I have a feeling that most people are going to choose modern dance or Broadway guys anyhow. But no problem.

Bob Fosse is not eligible. But that would be an interesting category for another draft.

Modern Dance was initially a reaction to, a rebellion against, ballet. Today every dancer studies both ballet and modern dance, but at one time they were distinct.

Upon further reflection, I wouldn't care if someone drafted a ballet choreographer. Many Modern Dance folks crossover, and vice versa. But my criteria will make it plain what I'm looking for; the category is intended to highlight innovation and changes in dance since 1923.

I presume you'll be the judge so it's up to you. But IMO you're limiting it too much. I think you SHOULD allow Fosse and other Broadway guys. There's not enough of them for their own category, and I think it would be fascinating and fun to compare them to the people you have in mind. Just my opinion.

Dance as performance art is a very deep and rich category. It stands alone.Musicals that include choregraphed dance is an entirely different art form. It's plenty deep to have as another category in a later draft.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Please add me as the Modern Dance Choreographer category judge.

Someone else can take Best Orchestra Symphony. Three cats will keep me plenty busy.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'll judge great actor in worst movie if not taken.

Damn, thought that one would be fun too. Is it going to focus more on a great performance in a crap movie, or the movie itself being really crappy and it's a surprise the actor would be in it?

 

[Mister CIA]

I'll judge great actor in worst movie if not taken.

Damn, thought that one would be fun too.

Is it going to focus more on a great performance in a crap movie, or the movie itself being really crappy and it's a surprise the actor would be in it?

Was wondering the same.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Hadn't seen this thread until just now. I'll be IN.

That makes ten (though DC Thunder is tentative), and that isn't counting timschochet, who may join.20 is more fun, but persoanlly I think 12 of more is sufficient.

 

[timschochet]

Hadn't seen this thread until just now. I'll be IN.

That makes ten (though DC Thunder is tentative), and that isn't counting timschochet, who may join.20 is more fun, but persoanlly I think 12 of more is sufficient.

Yes it is. We'll give it through Monday or Tuesday and see where we are.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I'll judge great actor in worst movie if not taken.

Damn, thought that one would be fun too.

Is it going to focus more on a great performance in a crap movie, or the movie itself being really crappy and it's a surprise the actor would be in it?

Was wondering the same.

I'm hoping for the bolded idea. Although I wonder if Krista is going to watch this stuff. Her head may explode.