Timdraft # 2 (2 Viewers)

[krista4]

I'll judge great actor in worst movie if not taken.

Damn, thought that one would be fun too.

Is it going to focus more on a great performance in a crap movie, or the movie itself being really crappy and it's a surprise the actor would be in it?

Was wondering the same.

I'm hoping for the bolded idea. Although I wonder if Krista is going to watch this stuff. Her head may explode.

I realized after I took this that I'm going to have to watch a lot of awful movies! Oh well, it will be good for me.I had thought it would be more the latter than the former, but I'm open to going either way on this. If there's a consensus that you guys were looking at it one way rather than the other, I'll go with that.

The judging formula will be:

Quality of actor/actress (or, if we go the other way, quality of the performance) * Awfulness of the movie = total score

Actually just noticed that Corky volunteered to judge this just before I did.

I'll take something else as soon as tim's updated the list so that I can more easily know what's available.

 

[rikishiboy]

I will judge the category I suggested---best non tragic news story of the last 20 years. I will put out some guidelines later, but basically I view this as a pretty wide open category.

 

[timschochet]

In so far:

DC Thunder

Tish156

jwb

Mister CIA

BobbyLayne

Usual21

Mrs. Rannous

Tremendous Upside

rikishiboy

Doug B

timschochet

Now at 11 including me. That's minimally enough, but I would like to see if we can get some more.

 

[rikishiboy]

bump up to page 1.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I'm willing to judge disco song. And, in order to prevent any Valentinoing, I can judge child star too. Is this intended to be limited to movies and TV? Or are singers to be included?

 

[wbaaoz]

I'd love to take part in the draft. Let me know.

 

[krista4]

I'd like one serious category and one fun one, so I'll take American poem and mixed drink.

For mixed drink, you will be judged on deliciousness. How do you know if it is delicious? You'll know it's delicious when I tell you it's delicious.

OK, kidding. I'll post real criteria for both later.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'd like one serious category and one fun one, so I'll take American poem and mixed drink.For mixed drink, you will be judged on deliciousness. How do you know if it is delicious? You'll know it's delicious when I tell you it's delicious. OK, kidding. I'll post real criteria for both later.

Ability to knock you on your ### should count for something.

 

[Sarnoff]

I'll judge great actor in worst movie if not taken.

Damn, thought that one would be fun too.

Is it going to focus more on a great performance in a crap movie, or the movie itself being really crappy and it's a surprise the actor would be in it?

Was wondering the same.

Right, like Al Pacino being the best thing about The Devil's Advocate, or rather is it "why is Orson Welles in the animated Transformers: The Movie (or Robert DeNiro in Rocky & Bullwinkle)?"

 

[timschochet]

I'm willing to judge disco song. And, in order to prevent any Valentinoing, I can judge child star too. Is this intended to be limited to movies and TV? Or are singers to be included?

I think it should be any kind of child star. But a child is not a teenager. Someone under 12, let's say. These are suggestions on my part; since you're the judge, it's up to you.

 

[timschochet]

I'd love to take part in the draft. Let me know.

Does this mean you wish to be a drafter? If so, I will add you to the list. But please confirm that you wish to be a drafter. I have decided that we will officially start Wednesday. Hopefully more people will sign up between now and then. I'll set up a draft order sometime tomorrow.

 

[Frostillicus]

I'll judge best NBA point guard.

 

[wbaaoz]

I'd love to take part in the draft. Let me know.

Does this mean you wish to be a drafter? If so, I will add you to the list. But please confirm that you wish to be a drafter. I have decided that we will officially start Wednesday. Hopefully more people will sign up between now and then. I'll set up a draft order sometime tomorrow.

Sorry! Should have clarified. Yes. I would like to be a drafter.Thanks.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I'm willing to judge disco song. And, in order to prevent any Valentinoing, I can judge child star too. Is this intended to be limited to movies and TV? Or are singers to be included?

I think it should be any kind of child star. But a child is not a teenager. Someone under 12, let's say. These are suggestions on my part; since you're the judge, it's up to you.

Sounds groovy to me. So- child stars should be pre-teen. Any stuff they did after they hit those tragic teen years just doesn't count. Post 1900 only, please. I don't care if some five-year-old performed for Charlemagne or Kublai Khan.Disco songs should embody that era. Danceability counts, but so does quality. I love the cheese here, too. Just do me a big favor and don't pick "MacArthur Park". There is no version of that song that doesn't suck. I can even live with disco whistles, just not the stupid icing flowing down.

 

[Corky]

Off the top of my head:

Quality of the actor * significance of his/her role in the movie * horribleness of the movie = total score.

The quality of the performance of the actor in such movie may or may not factor in, but that's not the main point...A crappy Al Pacino is going to outpoint Ben Affleck's best performance of all time, regardless.

 

[rikishiboy]

Best non-tragic news story of the last 20 years (excludes acts of heroism due to tragedy)----

With this one I will be looking at the effect the news had at the time it broke, what future things were or will be influenced by the story, and of course the story must hold some interest to the general population....most importantly me. I will also say that global stories will generally do better than stories that really only affect one place.

In addition to this as I said earlier I see many diffent angles that one could take with this....I look forward to a variety of picks.

 

[timschochet]

OK, here is the order for the first round:

Round 1

jwb

BobbyLayne

wbaaoz

Tremendous Upside

Tish156

timschochet

DC Thunder

Usual21

Mrs. Rannous

DougB

rikishiboy

Mister CIA

The clock starts Wednesday morning at 7am PST. The clock is 1 hour per pick and lasts until 4pm PST. The clock runs Monday through Friday. There is no clock on weekends or holidays. If we reach a point where around half of the picks are being skipped, we will switch over to two picks a day at any time. This almost always happens at some point in the draft. If and when that happens, it will include weekends anod holidays.

The draft is still open until round 1 is completed. Anyone who chooses to sign up will be added to the bottom of the draft order. The remaining categories are open to judge for anyone who wants to. I will not volunteer to judge any categories, but I will judge any that have not been chosen by the end of the draft, and any in which the original judges flake out on.

Good luck to all, and jwb can make the first pick at any time!

 

[timschochet]

All judging criteria can be found in the 3rd post.

 

[Doug B]

If the OP is updated, these are the unclaimed categories:

70s sports star

Best athlete born in the continent of Africa

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Best jazz recording

Best martial arts movie

Best movie musical

Best short novel- 200 pages or less

Best TV half hour comedy of the last 20 years

Does that look right?

 

[timschochet]

If the OP is updated, these are the unclaimed categories:

70s sports star

Best athlete born in the continent of Africa

Best Symphonic Orchestra

Best jazz recording

Best martial arts movie

Best movie musical

Best short novel- 200 pages or less

Best TV half hour comedy of the last 20 years

Does that look right?

Yes.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Best duet song Dr. Octopus

I'm not sure if this is for me to decide or for you Tim - but my question would be are we only considering a duet pairing that comes together to perform the particular song that is drafted or would vocal duos that generally performed together as a "group" be eligible such as say Hall & Oates (although I don't think they actually ever performed a duet, I will use them to make my point so as to not spotlight)?

 

[timschochet]

Best duet song Dr. Octopus

I'm not sure if this is for me to decide or for you Tim - but my question would be are we only considering a duet pairing that comes together to perform the particular song that is drafted or would vocal duos that generally performed together as a "group" be eligible such as say Hall & Oates (although I don't think they actually ever performed a duet, I will use them to make my point so as to not spotlight)?

This is ultimately up to you. Personally, I don't think "groups" should be eligible- I think it should be a one time only or special occasion thing.

 

[jwb]

first *again*... wow.

are the categories set? If so, I'll pick at some point today.

 

[timschochet]

first *again*... wow.are the categories set? If so, I'll pick at some point today.

The categories are set.

 

[jwb]

Criteria for Holiday Special:

I'm looking for annual shows (or specials / events) that play specifically for a holiday. I expect a lot of children's specials to be drafted (and that's good - that defines holiday special to me), but it's not 100% limited to such.

The judging is going to be based on which I think is best / most important / etc. I was born in 1966, so my childhood spans most of the 70's. I know holiday specials.

Two "rules" - first, the show/event/special must be at least somewhat tied to the holiday in theme. In other words, sporting events like the NHL's "Winter Classic" are not holiday specials. Secondly, I want to see recurring to a degree (and if it's still in circulation, all the better). No one-offs.

Criteria for sandwich

I want a sandwich. It has to be on bread, a sub roll, or a hard roll. No Burgers. I will also rule out anything made by a chain - Egg McMuffin is not a valid pick.

I am also not looking for regional legends. I'm not driving to <insert city> for a <insert sandwich / sub / etc> (although perhaps the sandwich itself could be a valid pick, if it's something that's fairly mainstream. In other words, don't pick a Po Boy, because you can't get them everywhere. But other "famous" regional sandwiches are indeed available at almost any pizza place / deli nationwide.) PM me if this is not clear to you.

I'm more looking for things that at least have a prayer of being brown bagged to school or work, or at least available in some form at almost any deli / convenience store you care to go to. You can think small / traditional - that's fine. Hot sandwiches are ok, too.

I also reserve the right to rule some things too close to each other. Changing one ingredient on a sandwich may or may not make it a different type of sandwich.

The above is what you should/should not draft. Clues to winning..... how much JWB likes it (I like sandwiches a lot - all kinds), and how important/popular *I* think it is.

Edit - I thought I had this in, but somehow must have edited it out. A "sub / grinder / hoagie / etc etc" is NOT a pick. If you go that route, I want a TYPE of sub/grinder/hoagie/etc.

 

[Doug B]

If the OP is updated, these are the unclaimed categories:

70s sports star

Best athlete born in the continent of Africa

...

Does that look right?

Yes.

In that case, I'd like to claim the two categories above in red: "70s sports star" and "Best athlete born in the continent of Africa".

 

[Doug B]

I am also not looking for regional legends. I'm not driving to <insert city> for a <insert sandwich / sub / etc> (although perhaps the sandwich itself could be a valid pick, if it's something that's fairly mainstream. In other words, don't pick a Po Boy, because you can't get them everywhere. But other "famous" regional sandwiches are indeed available at almost any pizza place / deli nationwide.) PM me if this is not clear to you.

Jwb, lets work on this a bit:You can, indeed, get something almost exactly the same as a "po-boy" anywhere. The name changes regionally, and the specific style of bread may differ, but this fundamental sandwich style is still almost the same. I'd instead rule out "po-boy" for being too general of a term.

 

[higgins]

Criteria for...

Greatest FFA thread of all time:

- The thread must be linked in your post -- I'm not going searching for some obscure thread that only you got a kick out of.

- It should be epic.

- Total number of pages/posts may be considered, but will not be major factor in judging.

- Hilarity will be the biggest criteria. This is, by definition, subjective to the judge -- deal with it.

Greatest MLB third baseman of all time:

- Pretty self explanatory -- nothing sneaky goin' on here.

- Total career performance will weigh higher than performance at peak.

- Post season (or lack thereof) will play minor (but not definitive) part.

- I don't care if he spent his twilight years playing DH, as long as he spent most of his career playing 3B.

- Defense will be a somewhat significant (but not uberly major) factor.

- Make your case!!!

 

[Frostillicus]

Greatest NBA PG of all time:

- Pretty self explanatory -- nothing sneaky goin' on here.

- Total career performance will weigh higher than performance at peak.

- Post season (or lack thereof) will play a part, but regular season excellence is more important

- I am partial to distributor type point guards. Scoring of course matters, but if I'm having trouble ranking two guys the more "pure" point guard will win out.

- Make your case!!!

 

[jwb]

I am also not looking for regional legends. I'm not driving to <insert city> for a <insert sandwich / sub / etc> (although perhaps the sandwich itself could be a valid pick, if it's something that's fairly mainstream. In other words, don't pick a Po Boy, because you can't get them everywhere. But other "famous" regional sandwiches are indeed available at almost any pizza place / deli nationwide.) PM me if this is not clear to you.

Jwb, lets work on this a bit:You can, indeed, get something almost exactly the same as a "po-boy" anywhere. The name changes regionally, and the specific style of bread may differ, but this fundamental sandwich style is still almost the same. I'd instead rule out "po-boy" for being too general of a term.

Well, I would argue that you can't get something like a Po Boy all that easily anywhere. I'm more looking for things you can make at home, or get fairly easily by going to a pizza place / deli. But maybe we're talking two different things - if you have a variation that I'm missing in my head that's going to make me say "oh yeah... that one", that's fine. But I do think there are 12 decent, classic sandwiches out there that this is a non-issue.

Basically, my aim was to NOT have this turn into a regional sandwiches thing.

 

[jwb]

I edited my sanbdwich criteria slightly. I changed "no ground beef" to "no burgers", as that's more what I was really intending.

 

[Doug B]

Well, I would argue that you can't get something like a Po Boy all that easily anywhere. I'm more looking for things you can make at home, or get fairly easily by going to a pizza place / deli.

I live in the epicenter of the Po-Boy Universe ... and as far as I can tell, the broad differences between po-boys, subs, grinders, hoagies, etc. are trivial. There are differences between favorite ingredients, fine specifics of the bread, and such ... but IMHO those differences don't make po-boys categorically different from the others.

But maybe we're talking two different things - if you have a variation that I'm missing in my head that's going to make me say "oh yeah... that one", that's fine. But I do think there are 12 decent, classic sandwiches out there that this is a non-issue.

We might well be.

Basically, my aim was to NOT have this turn into a regional sandwiches thing.

What's hard about that is that, really, practically all food is regional. And those few that are clearly not regional (for whatever reason) are typically the less interesting examples.I do understand, of course, trying to make sure that people don't get TOO provincial and pick something that's only available in one place in their hometown or something.

 

[Doug B]

Well, I would argue that you can't get something like a Po Boy all that easily anywhere. I'm more looking for things you can make at home, or get fairly easily by going to a pizza place / deli.

I've just read this a second time, and I gotta ask: in your opinion, what is it about a po-boy that excludes it from the categorizations you've listed (bolded)? Po-boys/subs/hoagies are regularly made at home

 

[Mister CIA]

Does a flour tortilla count as bread?

 

[jwb]

Well, I would argue that you can't get something like a Po Boy all that easily anywhere. I'm more looking for things you can make at home, or get fairly easily by going to a pizza place / deli.

I've just read this a second time, and I gotta ask: in your opinion, what is it about a po-boy that excludes it from the categorizations you've listed (bolded)? Po-boys/subs/hoagies are regularly made at home

A Po Boy is a cajun thing, is it not?are you just calling "po boy" another name for a sub?

I added this to my criteria (as I thought I had it in there, but obviously must have taken it out) A "sub / grinder / hoagie / etc etc" is NOT a pick. If you go that route, I want a TYPE of sub/grinder/hoagie/etc.

 

[jwb]

Does a flour tortilla count as bread?

It could, I suppose. But like I said, there are easily 12 good sandwiches out there.

 

[Mister CIA]

Does a flour tortilla count as bread?

It could, I suppose. But like I said, there are easily 12 good sandwiches out there.

Chimichanga for the win!

 

[jwb]

Does a flour tortilla count as bread?

It could, I suppose. But like I said, there are easily 12 good sandwiches out there.

Chimichanga for the win!

heh.Let's say "no" to tortilla. I said bread / sub roll / hard roll - let's leave it at that (and pick flatbread/crackers/etc at your own risk.)

 

[Doug B]

A Po Boy is a cajun thing, is it not?

No, I wouldn't say so.

I added this to my criteria (as I thought I had it in there, but obviously must have taken it out) A "sub / grinder / hoagie / etc etc" is NOT a pick. If you go that route, I want a TYPE of sub/grinder/hoagie/etc.

 

[jwb]

A Po Boy is a cajun thing, is it not?

No, I wouldn't say so.

Then we were thinking two different things.

 

[Keerock]

About the judge: Born in 1964 - Grew up, went to school and still live in the MidWest. Child of the 70's/80's. Although born in 1964, I still act like I'm 25. These two categories combine two of my favorite past times... eating and watching TV. Go America!

Best junk food (brand name only)

From wiki: Junk food is an informal term for food that is of little nutritional value and often high in fat, sugar, and/or calories. Junk foods typically contain high levels of calories from sugar or fat with little protein, vitamins or minerals. Common junk foods include salted snack foods, gum, candy, sweet desserts, fried fast food, and carbonated beverages.

My slightly alternate take on this definition, and how I will judge the category. First, I am immediately ruling out all beverages. This is a junk FOOD category. I will not rule out, but will need some heavy convincing on the inclusion of fast foods (burgers, fries, etc.) When I think junk food, I mostly think snacks/sweets. Something you will sit down in front of the TV and gorge yourself on. Oh, and as the category title suggests, it must be a name brand. This makes it a little tricky, since there can be two practically identical items with different name brands, so choose wisely. Longevity of said junk food will be considered (how long has it been around), as will perceived popularity of said food. There will obviously be some bias here on my part, as it will be easier to rate MY favorites higher. That being said, I'm a pretty equal opportunity junk food consumer. Rest assured, there is no bigger expert than I to judge this category.

Best spin off television show

Relatively straight forward here. The show MUST be based on characters and at least some events from a previously aired show. Popularity/duration of the original is of no consequence here. It's all about the spin off. Length of run and popularity (ratings AND perceived by me) will be major factors. The spin off MUST include at least one actor/actress from the original playing the same character. Reality shows won't cut it (i.e. scorned chick from the Bachelor is the next Bachelorette, etc). Since this is my category, there will be bias. Deal with it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Best duet song Dr. Octopus

I'm not sure if this is for me to decide or for you Tim - but my question would be are we only considering a duet pairing that comes together to perform the particular song that is drafted or would vocal duos that generally performed together as a "group" be eligible such as say Hall & Oates (although I don't think they actually ever performed a duet, I will use them to make my point so as to not spotlight)?

This is ultimately up to you. Personally, I don't think "groups" should be eligible- I think it should be a one time only or special occasion thing.

Ok then.Criteria for Best Duet Song:

- I will be considering a duet to be pairing that comes together to perform a particular song and not a duo that generally performed together as a "group" such as the Everly Brothers, Simon and Grafunkel, etc. It's possible the pair recorded more than one song together over the years, just don't have it fall into the later category.

- Make sure that one of the partners aren't just singing background. It should either be a harmonius pairing or one where the verses are alternated bewteen the singers.

- I'll look at a few lists, if any exist, to try and be somewhat objective, but naturally subjectivity will be involved.

- Popularity of the song will be considered, but will not be the over-riding factor.

- Quality of the song and how the pairing works together will be the main consideration.

- An interesting pairing that may seem odd on its face, but really works well could earn some bonus points.

 

[Doug B]

Then we were thinking two different things.

Can you PM me a link to the thing you were thinking of? You've got me genuinely curious now.I should point out that, fundamentally, the rural cuisine of Cajun country** is a very distinct thing from New Orleans (aka Creole) cuisine. Po-boys fall conclusively into the latter bucket.

** "Cajun country" does not include New Orleans, and indeed is culturally very different along roughly rural/urban lines among other differences.

 

[jwb]

Let's not overthink this:

1.1 - Magic Johnson - Best NBA Point Guard

Magic is the best point guard I ever saw. By a lot really. Others averaged more points, but Magic could dominate a game scoring 6 points.

From wiki:

Johnson's career achievements include three NBA MVP Awards, nine NBA Finals appearances, twelve All-Star games, and ten All-NBA First and Second Team nominations. He led the league in regular-season assists four times, and is the NBA's all-time leader in average assists per game, at 11.2. He was rated the greatest NBA point guard of all time by ESPN in 2007.

In his rookie year, in game 6 of the finals, Magic started at center for an injured kareem (and indeed, played three different positions that game). His line? 42 points, 15 rebounds, 7 assists, and 3 steals. As a rookie playing out of position for a hall of famer in the clinching game. That let everyone know he was truly special (if they didn't already know after his great college career and rookie year).

 

[HighBeams]

Criteria for Best Cover Song --

It has to be a cover song.

Please link the original and the cover so I can listen to both.

Don't assume I've heard it and know how great it is.

Assume I'm a lazy ******* that won't go looking it up for you.

Bonus will be awarded if you select one of my personal favouritist songs of all time...it is a cover.

Make a case for why your selection should be included in a "Best of..." category. Even if it means stating it's on a bunch of lists, I'll at least know you made some effort.

If you pick something I deem sucky, prepare for a page or two of people calling me dumb and me telling you to GFYH.

Have fun with it. I insist.

 

[Doug B]

"Keep from Pg 2" bump.

 

[BobbyLayne]

"Keep from Pg 2" bump.

Probably my bad, eh? Sorry, jammed up at work, haven't checked in all day. Hell, I'm not even sure sho the French Open today (did they finish?).Anywayn got my pick, gimme a few to formulate a writeup and format it on my stupid smart phone.

 

[BobbyLayne]

TED talk - 3 Things I Learned While My Plane Crashed

Don't know if this is a reach, and don't care. I was home painting my daughter's nursery when it happened; then I went up on the roof deck and watched it from a few blocks away. It is the most amazing event I have ever watched. Gotta have it.

1.02 - Miracle on the Hudson

Non-tragic News Story of the Last 20 Years

US Airways Flight 1549 was US Airways' scheduled domestic commercial passenger flight from LaGuardia Airport in New York City to Charlotte/Douglas International Airport, Charlotte, North Carolina. On January 15, 2009, the aircraft flying this route, an Airbus A320-214, was successfully ditched in the Hudson River adjacent to midtown Manhattan six minutes after takeoff from LaGuardia Airport after being disabled by striking a flock of Canada geese during its initial climb out.

The bird strike, which occurred just northeast of the George Washington Bridge about three minutes into the flight, resulted in an immediate and complete loss of thrust from both engines. When the crew of the aircraft determined that they would be unable to reliably reach any airfield, they turned southbound and glided over the Hudson, finally ditching the airliner near the USS Intrepid museum about three minutes after losing power. All 155 occupants safely evacuated the airliner, which was still virtually intact though partially submerged and slowly sinking, and were quickly rescued by nearby ferries and other watercraft.

The entire crew of Flight 1549 was later awarded the Master's Medal of the Guild of Air Pilots and Air Navigators. The award citation read, "This emergency ditching and evacuation, with the loss of no lives, is a heroic and unique aviation achievement." It has been described as "the most successful ditching in aviation history."

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Let's not overthink this:

1.1 - Magic Johnson - Best NBA Point Guard

Magic is the best point guard I ever saw. By a lot really. Others averaged more points, but Magic could dominate a game scoring 6 points.

From wiki:

Johnson's career achievements include three NBA MVP Awards, nine NBA Finals appearances, twelve All-Star games, and ten All-NBA First and Second Team nominations. He led the league in regular-season assists four times, and is the NBA's all-time leader in average assists per game, at 11.2. He was rated the greatest NBA point guard of all time by ESPN in 2007.

In his rookie year, in game 6 of the finals, Magic started at center for an injured kareem (and indeed, played three different positions that game). His line? 42 points, 15 rebounds, 7 assists, and 3 steals. As a rookie playing out of position for a hall of famer in the clinching game. That let everyone know he was truly special (if they didn't already know after his great college career and rookie year).

Dammit. The draft hasn't even started, and I've been sniped. Aaaargh!

 

[wbaaoz]

1.03 - Mike Schmidt - Best 3rd Basemen of All Time

*18 seasons

*Hall of Famer

*3 Time MVP (all at 3rd base)

*12 Time All-Star

*548 home runs

*1,595 RBIs

*Scored 1,506 runs

*Over 2200 hits

*Led the league in HRs 8 different times

*Led the league in RBIs 4 different times

*Led the league in OPS 5 different times

*Six Silver Sluggers

*1980 World Series Champion (Also MVP and World Series MVP that year)

*10 Time Gold Glove Winner (Including 9 consecutive)

*No question marks regarding performance enhancing drugs