Time Capsule - Last One For Tebow 4/22/10 (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Whether Tim Tebow can be an NFL QB or not is obviously a popular topic. Throwing out one last poll here before the draft tonight for folks to put their predictions out there.

And yes, I know it's hard to say because so much of it depends on where he gets drafted. But that's what makes these fun.

And let's use the parameter of giving him 4 years to fully judge where he is.

So the question is: After the 2013 NFL season is complete, Tim Tebow will be considered what type of QB?

Let's hear it. Vote too if you like but I'm more interested in folks leaving comments.

And FWIW, my guess is that after the 2013 NFL Season, Tebow will be considered an above average NFL QB.

J

 

[cobalt_27]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

 

[Joe Bryant]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

Where does that make him fall on the choices above after the 2013 season in your opinion?J

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

If Jamarcus Russell had a better work ethic he would be something.

 

[cobalt_27]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

Where does that make him fall on the choices above after the 2013 season in your opinion?J

50:50 either 3rd string b/up or out of the league (or Canada).

 

[cobalt_27]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

If Jamarcus Russell had a better work ethic he would be something.

I suppose so. To clarify, I think he will be overwhelmed in the NFL. He'll work hard to get better, but simply won't be able to grasp the pro game. And quickly become irrelevant.In those ways, I see a guy who comes with a lot of intrigue but ultimately bombs out. Like JR.

 

[Texasmouth]

I voted for above average. There have been a lot of guys with weird throwing motion....Favre, Rivers, Warner, etc...that have been pretty successful. You cant teach heart and you cant teach guys how to be a winner. Tebow has heart and he is a winner. People always bad mouth Vince Young and even though he doesn't put up crazy fantasy numbers, he wins games. When the Titans tried to change him into something he wasn't, he fell apart. When they let him just go out and play, he almost led them to the playoffs after a disastrous first half of the season. Sometimes you just have to let a guy go out there and be himself and play the way he knows how to play.

I just hope he gets into the right situation where he has a good QB coach to work with him and time to develop.

 

[Christo]

Backup

 

[got_nugs]

Didn't see used car salesman on the list?

 

[gianmarco]

Make sure we pin this.

 

[Texasmouth]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

If Jamarcus Russell had a better work ethic he would be something.

I suppose so. To clarify, I think he will be overwhelmed in the NFL. He'll work hard to get better, but simply won't be able to grasp the pro game. And quickly become irrelevant.In those ways, I see a guy who comes with a lot of intrigue but ultimately bombs out. Like JR.

Did you see him breaking down game tape? The guy knew each play and what it was called in four different offenses. I really don't think the thinking side of the game is an issue for him. No one has questioned whether or not he can understand the pro game, just whether or not he has the physical quarterback tools to play.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I think a good to excellent backup and situational QB.

I can't imagine a scenario where he would ever be less than perfectly prepared to enter a game and run a more than adequate dink and dunk set on a moment's notice.

I can't imagine a QB who would be better to bring in for the goalline package or the tough midfield yard.

I can't see him improving enough to be hold onto a starting job very long, though. He'll be the "other guy" the fans love.

 

[Hang 10]

I think he finds a decent team and sits for 2 years. He could be very good.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I was one of the guys in the middle. I put him as below average. Basically somebody ranked in the 20-24th best range is what I render that to be. Not exactly a star, not exactly getting replace imminently either. Sorta like where Jake Delhomme was for a number of years.

-QG

 

[Hang 10]

I was one of the guys in the middle. I put him as below average. Basically somebody ranked in the 20-24th best range is what I render that to be. Not exactly a star, not exactly getting replace imminently either. Sorta like where Jake Delhomme was for a number of years.-QG

Jake Delhomme was above average for a few years.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think he'll be a starter but struggling still. I don't think he'll get a starting gig until the year before as it would be in his best interest to sit and learn a little and keep working on his new mechanics.

 

[Sheriff66]

Career backup

 

[Joe Bryant]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

If Jamarcus Russell had a better work ethic he would be something.

I suppose so. To clarify, I think he will be overwhelmed in the NFL. He'll work hard to get better, but simply won't be able to grasp the pro game. And quickly become irrelevant.In those ways, I see a guy who comes with a lot of intrigue but ultimately bombs out. Like JR.

Thanks. I don't mean to keep on this with you but why do you think he'll be overwhelmed? You can make the case that he dominated one of the strongest defensive conferences in the country can't you? What part in your opinion will be overwhelming? Do you think it's an IQ issue?J

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Ceiling =Kordell Stewart

Floor = Akili Smith

 

[H.K.]

Null vote

He'll become Frank Wycheck v 2.0.

 

[bostonfred]

Why do all the options assume he's going to play QB?

 

[Hang 10]

Why do all the options assume he's going to play QB?

Because he's not being drafted in the first 2 rounds to be converted into a TE or Fullback.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I was one of the guys in the middle. I put him as below average. Basically somebody ranked in the 20-24th best range is what I render that to be. Not exactly a star, not exactly getting replace imminently either. Sorta like where Jake Delhomme was for a number of years.-QG

Jake Delhomme was above average for a few years.

Elvis Grbac then?-QG

 

[cobalt_27]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

If Jamarcus Russell had a better work ethic he would be something.

I suppose so. To clarify, I think he will be overwhelmed in the NFL. He'll work hard to get better, but simply won't be able to grasp the pro game. And quickly become irrelevant.In those ways, I see a guy who comes with a lot of intrigue but ultimately bombs out. Like JR.

Thanks. I don't mean to keep on this with you but why do you think he'll be overwhelmed? You can make the case that he dominated one of the strongest defensive conferences in the country can't you? What part in your opinion will be overwhelming? Do you think it's an IQ issue?J

I suppose he is reasonably smart. But, that doesn't translate 1:1 with the "intelligence" required for NFL success. He needs processing speed, mental flexibility, and at least a reasonable mechanical foundation. Unfortunately, his footwork is a mess. Delivery is a mess. Ran a quirky option offense with Harvin-type receivers. Watched him pretty closely in my 1 year in Gainesville, and I don't think he reads defenses well. The one attribute that was above average in college was his rushing ability, which will be neutralized in the NFL. Other than his attitude/moxy/confidence...I don't know what's to like about the guy. People seem to think he's the only college player to ever care about getting better or working hard. If he cared so much, why haven't his mechanics improved over the years?

 

[bodotdot]

Tebow will flash potential in limited action in 2010 and 2011, but the Bills' oft-injured O-line and pressure to put him on the field too soon will wear him down. Ticky-tack injuries will dog him and frustrate Bills fans for the remainder of his tenure in Western NY. He gets traded at the end of the 2013 season, when he goes to a much better team and wins Comeback Player of the Year in 2014.

 

[Chase Stuart]

See Jamarcus Russell with a better work ethic.

If Jamarcus Russell had a better work ethic he would be something.

I suppose so. To clarify, I think he will be overwhelmed in the NFL. He'll work hard to get better, but simply won't be able to grasp the pro game. And quickly become irrelevant.In those ways, I see a guy who comes with a lot of intrigue but ultimately bombs out. Like JR.

Did you see him breaking down game tape? The guy knew each play and what it was called in four different offenses. I really don't think the thinking side of the game is an issue for him. No one has questioned whether or not he can understand the pro game, just whether or not he has the physical quarterback tools to play.

You don't need to be a genius to play QB in the NFL, but I have seen some (and quite fairly) question Tebow's intelligence. I don't think anyone thinks he's a brain surgeon, and he ran a very simple offense at Florida.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Why do all the options assume he's going to play QB?

For the purposes of this thread, wanted to assume he'll be a QB. But this thread is for predictions. Do you think he'll make it as a QB? Another position?J

 

[Tau837]

Voted backup. This could include some "slash" or "wildcat" snaps, but I don't see him as a starter. I think there are two possible paths by the end of 2013 that would leave him as a backup at that point.

1. He gets a shot to start for his team, plays poorly, and is made a backup again.

2. He never plays well enough in practice to earn a shot as a starter but is kept as backup due to versatility, work ethic, popularity,etc.

Whether or not #1 happens depends on what team drafts him and the QB(s) in front of him.

 

[GoFishTN]

I voted above average. That assumes whoever drafts him doesn't try to turn him into something he's not.

 

[Tau837]

I suppose he is reasonably smart. But, that doesn't translate 1:1 with the "intelligence" required for NFL success. He needs processing speed, mental flexibility, and at least a reasonable mechanical foundation. Unfortunately, his footwork is a mess. Delivery is a mess. Ran a quirky option offense with Harvin-type receivers. Watched him pretty closely in my 1 year in Gainesville, and I don't think he reads defenses well. The one attribute that was above average in college was his rushing ability, which will be neutralized in the NFL. Other than his attitude/moxy/confidence...I don't know what's to like about the guy. People seem to think he's the only college player to ever care about getting better or working hard. If he cared so much, why haven't his mechanics improved over the years?

He also won't enjoy the talent advantage he had throughout his Florida career.

 

[SuperJohn96]

Somewhere between Eric Crouch and Peyton Manning.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm voting for average NFL QB. I think he ends up playing a bunch of Wildcat/FB type roles and is very, very good at that. I think he's a natural fit to be a goal line QB; say what you want about Tebow, but it will be very hard for defenses to defend his team when it's first and goal from the 5 and Tebow is the QB. He can run four straight QB draws and I think he scores almost every series. Throw in some ability to throw the ball and I just think he's going to be a very effective goal line QB.

I do question his intelligence. I think his teammates will love him, he's going to outwork everyone, and he'll get better at being a QB. But I still don't know if he can ever be a dominant QB because he would need to have so many abilities (quick thinking, laser arm strength on short to intermediate routes, ability to read pre-snap coverages, accuracy in tight windows, footwork) that I question he has. I think he'll be a fan favorite but mostly end up teasing. An elite QB near the goal line, but average everywhere else. For all his greatness, I think the Alabama game showed a lot of his limitations.

 

[rzrback77]

I voted back-up. He will work extremely hard and do his best to advance and develop. Whoever drafts him will see his effort and recognize his athleticism and keep him involved, but he will just not be able to run a passing attack well enough to be a consistent starting QB. I think that he will stay in the league a while and make a spot, whether it is running wildcat, short yardage, TE or even special teams. Just not a starting QB in my opinion.

 

[bostonfred]

Why do all the options assume he's going to play QB?

For the purposes of this thread, wanted to assume he'll be a QB. But this thread is for predictions. Do you think he'll make it as a QB? Another position?J

That's fair, just curious because it seems like a viable option. My best guess from everything I've seen and read is that he'll be considered an above average QB by 2013, but it really depends where he lands. It seems like the consensus is that he's talented, but lacks skills. Skills are teachable, and he seems highly motivated, so if he lands in the right spot, he should be able to progress nicely. So far, he has been in the right spot to learn a lot of necessary quarterbacking skills, but his focus has been on learning how to win in a particular kind of offense with teammates who generally have a skill advantage over their opponents. So while he's unskilled at playing in a different kind of offense with players who don't have that same kind of skills gap, he clearly seems to have been able to learn to succeed in that environment. There's no guarantee he'll be able to learn the skills he'll need to learn at the next level, but he's been able to succeed because of another transferrable skill he seem to have - the ability to assimilate a lot of information quickly and completely on both a mental and physical level. I'm guessing that that's more important than having learned to improve his footwork.

 

[David Yudkin]

I was going to start a poll on how many games Tebow would start in his career. That was going to be another way to tell how well he did . . .

 

[Catbird]

The ability to instantly analyze defenses and the ability to instantly put the ball where it has to be seem the most difficult QB skills to learn. Great guys with great backgrounds, great attitudes and great college records are unable to become good pro QBs for the lack of them again and again and again. I am no talent analyst and can't tell you if Tebow lacks these abilities, but a lot of guys with solid scouting credentials say he does. Assumming they are correct, I vote career backup. Attitude cannot not overcome these deficiencies.

 

[massraider]

Somewhere between Chris Cooley and Matt Jones.

 

[OMG! Ponies!]

I voted above average. That assumes whoever drafts him doesn't try to turn him into something he's not.

like a Quarterback?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Somewhere between Chris Cooley and Matt Jones.

So you think he won't make it as an NFL QB?J

 

[pollardsvision]

I voted "out of the league", but I don't mean that literally. 2013 is only 3 years away. Whatever team drafts him will probably plan on giving him almost all of that time to develop. It's likely he'll see very little of a real game during the 3 years. He'll probably light it up on the practice field, displaying other worldly leadership skills to boot. Verly likely he won't get completely exposed with the time frame, so he'll still be rostered.

Also, he's Tebow. He'll get a longer leash than other bad QBs would. Maybe multiple shots by different teams. A number of teams will be looking for some good PR and have QB coach trying to become a hero.

So, I think he'll be a back-up in 2013, but well on his way out of the league. It'll just take longer than it should.

 

[massraider]

Somewhere between Chris Cooley and Matt Jones.

So you think he won't make it as an NFL QB?J

No. I think the HBack stuff has legs, tho.

 

[H.K.]

Somewhere between Chris Cooley and Matt Jones.

So somewhere between showing his junk on the web and being busted for drugs...interesting range.

 

[wadegarrett]

backup

 

[phthalatemagic]

backup/journeyman for a handful of years. If he sticks it out, I think he will eventually become a starting QB and possibly make pro-bowls. I can see his career looking like Rich Gannon's. However I think he moves on to other things; he has a good number of other interests.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Voted backup, but he'll get some starts along the way as most backups do (i.e. Chris Weinke, etc.).

I think he could be an elite short yardage runner though. And a team using him this way would have the advantage of having an extra blocker in during short yardage plays.

 

[Tom Servo]

I voted (just) below average. I've never been a hater, just not convinced that he has IT.

He's not Russell or Crouch bad, just a tad below average.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Voted above average QB. As much as I don't want to. This guys a winner, with a strong arm and great work ethic. Sounds a lot like Peyton. I just think he'll make it happen.

watching Grudens breakdown with him was the final straw for me.

 

[cstu]

He's going to be a good backup QB.

 

[cstu]

Voted above average QB. As much as I don't want to. This guys a winner, with a strong arm and great work ethic. Sounds a lot like Peyton. I just think he'll make it happen.watching Grudens breakdown with him was the final straw for me.

He's a likeable guy but he doesn't have starting QB ability.

 

[a_rackowski]

Stud - HOF player who changes the game more than MIchael Vick