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You let your time run out...hoping this will fluster the owners after you...To make the scenario better, fake a minor panic attack, then watch the other owners make quick decisions...you really are not in risk of Garcia getting nabbed and you watch as the picks proceed. If two of the WRs get picked quick, then you take the 3rd WR, hoping that Garcia will get past owner 2 twice. If none of the WRs get nabbed by the time you get to Owner 2, then you grab Garcia right ahead of 2 and hope one of the WR slip back in the 9th.If you really have the 3 WRs exactly even, then I can see the strategy in this, but it is unorthodox. Not something I would expext of a professional...Like in poker, I love to check the nuts and raise after someone in late position bets. This smacks of a tricky manuveur tried by amatuers like me.Just my 2 cents.

 
I remember 2 years ago at the WCOFF draft, some guy was selling his book called Committed. It was about how he became obsessed with fantasy football and it ruined his life. I almost bought it.

Back to the topic. I tried this strategy last year at WCOFF when I passed on all 20 picks and made them all at the end of the draft. Worked great, I had all the other owners so confused that they drafted lousy teams.

Never considered writing a book about it :wall:

 
Here's my second option:

I could draft Garcia now and hope at least one of the three WRs falls to me in the ninth. This seemed like a better possibility than the first option because all three WRs would have to be drafted for this plan not to work. However, I noticed a run of WRs being taken – six in a row had just been drafted! If this trend were to continue then I’d no doubt lose out on all three WRs. Consequently, I decided this second option was just as risky an endeavor as the first. (Clipped from Chapter 12 of Drafting To Win)

Okay, I realize I didn't tell you guys that WRs were being taken off the board left and right. Now you know.

Any1 care to take a shot at what my third option was? Some of you are very hot. :hot:

-z-

 
Here's my second option:

I could draft Garcia now and hope at least one of the three WRs falls to me in the ninth. This seemed like a better possibility than the first option because all three WRs would have to be drafted for this plan not to work. However, I noticed a run of WRs being taken – six in a row had just been drafted! If this trend were to continue then I’d no doubt lose out on all three WRs. Consequently, I decided this second option was just as risky an endeavor as the first. (Clipped from Chapter 12 of Drafting To Win)

Okay, I realize I didn't tell you guys that WRs were being taken off the board left and right. Now you know.

Any1 care to take a shot at what my third option was? Some of you are very hot. :hot:

-z-
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To make a trade or grab another position of need instead and not follow the run
 
I'm on the edge of my seat. :thumbup: Z-Men, don't give away too much of your book here though.Keep 'em wanting more.

 
Here's my second option:

I could draft Garcia now and hope at least one of the three WRs falls to me in the ninth. This seemed like a better possibility than the first option because all three WRs would have to be drafted for this plan not to work. However, I noticed a run of WRs being taken – six in a row had just been drafted! If this trend were to continue then I’d no doubt lose out on all three WRs. Consequently, I decided this second option was just as risky an endeavor as the first. (Clipped from Chapter 12 of Drafting To Win)

Okay, I realize I didn't tell you guys that WRs were being taken off the board left and right. Now you know.

Any1 care to take a shot at what my third option was? Some of you are very hot. :hot:

-z-
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Take garcia and start the backup run? Have you spoken to Kid C and Wade to give them royaltie for taking AVT from them, BTW?
 
I do not claim AVT as my own theory. Chris and Wade I'm sure will welcome additional publicity. -z-

 
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I do not claim AVT as my own theory. Chris and Wade I'm sure will welcome additional publicity. -z-
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I think the term they are looking for is "royalties" Kid C is a lawyer so prepare yourself.
 
I do not claim AVT as my own theory. Chris and Wade I'm sure will welcome additional publicity. -z-
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I think the term they are looking for is "royalties" Kid C is a lawyer so prepare yourself.
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You can't patent a method of doing projections.
 
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This entire thread is like a highway 4 car pile up with fatalities...Its overwhelmingly gruesome but you can't take your eyes off it.

 
This entire thread is like a highway 4 car pile up with fatalities...Its overwhelmingly gruesome but you can't take your eyes off it.
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Have you seen the picture on his site with him holding the two trophies?
 
I do not claim AVT as my own theory. Chris and Wade I'm sure will welcome additional publicity. -z-
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I think the term they are looking for is "royalties" Kid C is a lawyer so prepare yourself.
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You can't patent a method of doing projections.
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But you sure could bash it, didn't you, MT.
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Absolutely. It is fundamentally flawed. I didn't want to get into that in this thread, though.
 
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Top Competitors in Fantasy FootballAugust 26, 2004 Who are the top Fantasy Football Competitors in the World? A ranking of fantasy football players around the world has never been done to my knowledge, but it got me thinking when somebody posted it on the NFFC message board. An interesting question, but I took a stab at it. This is kind of hard to tell right now, and will probably bear itself out better after this year with the multiple high stakes contests going on, but here's my take on it now, just based on WCOFF and maybe some USAT, which I officially retire from this year (waste of time).1. Robert Zarzycki (not even debatable)the rest are hard to order...2. Ian Millman (ffchamps)3. Scott Stauffer (out of the shadows)4. Alexander Hayden5. Chris Schussman6. Kevin Berlin (will win wcoff 1 of these years, even though his name isn't up there for this years contest; what's that all about I wonder?)7. David Gerczak8. Madonna Montz (yes she's a chick)9. James Jewell10. Del Pilar
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awesome :lmao:
 
The bottom line is that Rob accomplished something in the first two years of the WCOFF that is statistically more significant than just chance alone. I have purchased the book and am waiting for it to arrive. If anyone on this board or any other takes the time to break down my most entertaining hobby or suggests new ideas, I'm going to buy it. I've already told Rob I thought it was a little pricey, but other than that I will try to get my hands on any FF related information because I can't get enough. For someone to discuss some of his philosophies from a guy who did so well in the WCOFF in back to back years, I'm going to be interested but not necessarily buy into all of it. After all, I won my WCOFF league last year without having read Rob's book yet. :banned:

 
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Hey guys -- all of us -- could we try to stay on topic here? The thread is about clock-management, and possible reasons for letting your allotted time expire.Z-Men would probably help himself by posting what he actually did and then inviting comments, instead of making everybody guess. But that's up to him.In the meantime, please keep any jokes you'd like to make over in the FFA.Thanks.signed,The Squasher of Fun

 
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I'm with Tremblay here in terms of staying on topic. But it'd be no fun if I gave the answer out right away.So lemme ask again:Any ideas on what my third drafting option is??? -z-

 
I'll give away one of the options here:

First option: I could draft one of the WRs now in which case I’d have to simply hope Garcia fell to me in the ninth. However, I was really worried about Team Two since they were the one team sitting behind me that didn’t have a QB yet. I concluded it was too risky to simply take a WR now and just hope Garcia wrapped around to me.

Here's my second option:

I could draft Garcia now and hope at least one of the three WRs falls to me in the ninth. This seemed like a better possibility than the first option because all three WRs would have to be drafted for this plan not to work. However, I noticed a run of WRs being taken – six in a row had just been drafted! If this trend were to continue then I’d no doubt lose out on all three WRs. Consequently, I decided this second option was just as risky an endeavor as the first. (Clipped from Chapter 12 of Drafting To Win)
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So far option 2 is preferred out of the two of them in my book especially given your team makeup at that point. It's not like the VERY next WR (your 4th WR right there ) would fall off that much from the other three that it makes a significant difference. Also, bagger made a good point that who's to say that it's too early for someone else along the way to take their 2nd QB. In the 8th round, I'm sure there are some nuckleheads even in that format, that would target an above average QB2 before it got back to you. And, maybe they would take him before it got back to you just to screw you over and leave you with nothing at QB. Probably would depend if it was pre or post book publication.
 
Also, bagger made a good point that who's to say that it's too early for someone else along the way to take their 2nd QB. In the 8th round, I'm sure there are some nuckleheads even in that format, that would target an above average QB2 before it got back to you. And, maybe they would take him before it got back to you just to screw you over and leave you with nothing at QB. Probably would depend if it was pre or post book publication.
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Excellent point. No doubt any1 could take their 2nd QB at any moment. It comes down to taking calculated risks and making educated guesses. I guessed that few teams, if any, would take their 2nd QB at this point of the draft. -z-
 
I remember 2 years ago at the WCOFF draft, some guy was selling his book called Committed. It was about how he became obsessed with fantasy football and it ruined his life. I almost bought it.

Back to the topic. I tried this strategy last year at WCOFF when I passed on all 20 picks and made them all at the end of the draft. Worked great, I had all the other owners so confused that they drafted lousy teams.

Never considered writing a book about it :wall:
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That was last year and the book, Committed, wasn't anything of the kind. It was a very entertaining read although it didn't help with any significant FF strategies. Rob's book should be much more technical although I hope that it is written with some humor to keep you entertained. I don't know why everyone wants to berate these FF authors. I admire them and it's fun reading because I can relate. I wish I had the time to take on such an endeavor. I look at it like if the content is good, then it will sell. If it sucks, the word will get out quickly and it will die a quick death. I like being a FF literature guinea pig and checking most of it all out.
 
I remember 2 years ago at the WCOFF draft, some guy was selling his book called Committed.  It was about how he became obsessed with fantasy football and it ruined his life.  I almost bought it.

Back to the topic.  I tried this strategy last year at WCOFF when I passed on all 20 picks and made them all at the end of the draft.  Worked great, I had all the other owners so confused that they drafted lousy teams. 

Never considered writing a book about it :wall:
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That was last year and the book, Committed, wasn't anything of the kind. It was a very entertaining read although it didn't help with any significant FF strategies. Rob's book should be much more technical although I hope that it is written with some humor to keep you entertained. I don't know why everyone wants to berate these FF authors. I admire them and it's fun reading because I can relate. I wish I had the time to take on such an endeavor. I look at it like if the content is good, then it will sell. If it sucks, the word will get out quickly and it will die a quick death. I like being a FF literature guinea pig and checking most of it all out.
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I have a copy of Committed, and I also know the Author Mark St. Amant. Great writer and great read. However, nothing much of FF strategy value in there. Hilarious anecdotes though. -z-
 
Option 3: Wait until 2 of the WR's have been taken and then pick your third, hopefully right before #2 has to pick. This may push #2 towards reaching to continue this run on WR's and you may have the option to get Garcia on the way back as #2 is still hopefully your only QB competition. As it stands, it doesn't really matter if you get Garcia, you had them all rated evenly and as long as you did not let them all pass I guess it doesn't matter.

 
If Mike Tice here would quit lurking around and just tell us why you would want to NOT make your pick when it is your turn, we could all go to bed and sleep the sound slumber of an immensely greater artisan of drafting.

 
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So I'm going to expect that you got 2 of the 4 guys you wanted because if you are making people guess options when it didn't work anyway, I'd be really disappointed. So you messed with the draft order and got 2 of the 4 you wanted but can you say without a certain of doubt that your messing with the draft slots had anything to do with it? What if the 2nd guy you picked ended up being a player no one else would take for a full another around anyway? Did you speak with the owners you 'tricked' and they admited they changed their picks because of you? Oh, and if they did, is there not the possibility they just told you what they knew you wanted to hear? FF players love telling people what they want to hear because if someone makes a bad move, you ant them to think it was good so they can do it again. Just curious as how you know what you did worked becuase of what you did.

 
I remember 2 years ago at the WCOFF draft, some guy was selling his book called Committed.  It was about how he became obsessed with fantasy football and it ruined his life.  I almost bought it.

Back to the topic.  I tried this strategy last year at WCOFF when I passed on all 20 picks and made them all at the end of the draft.  Worked great, I had all the other owners so confused that they drafted lousy teams. 

Never considered writing a book about it :wall:
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That was last year and the book, Committed, wasn't anything of the kind. It was a very entertaining read although it didn't help with any significant FF strategies. Rob's book should be much more technical although I hope that it is written with some humor to keep you entertained. I don't know why everyone wants to berate these FF authors. I admire them and it's fun reading because I can relate. I wish I had the time to take on such an endeavor. I look at it like if the content is good, then it will sell. If it sucks, the word will get out quickly and it will die a quick death. I like being a FF literature guinea pig and checking most of it all out.
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well, technically in 3 months it will be two years ago :brush:

I don't mean to berate anyone, I wish Rob good luck with his book. I doubt I'll be buying one as I don't believe any strategy like passing/waiting on a pick or theory like AVT, ZVBD, or XYZ is the difference between winning and losing.

The bottom line to me is that if he's got 3 WRs projected equally, most likely one will do significantly better, one will be close to projections, and one may do significantly worse. You pick the right one, and you'll do well. You pick the right one consistently, and you'll consistently finish near the top.

 
Wow. Had I known this kind of tomfoolery and educated idiocy was going on over here, I'd have drug myself out of the FFA weeks ago.

I have now changed my draft plans to include drafting Eddie George in the 1st Round in all my drafts - just to #### everyone up. :thumbup:

 
Well considering I seem to win every league I enter, thanks for the trade bagger, I will take a guess that your #3 strategy is like my #1. Close your eyes wait till the clock runs out, then stab my index finger(this is important, you must use your index finger) at my inner thigh. The length of my yelp in seconds is then calculated and I pick the corresponding player that wears that Jersey number. In case there are 2 players that wear that #, I pick the older one. This has helped me not only win my :11: league, but my work league as well. Normally I might charge for this advice, but I'm feeling generous today.

 
Well considering I seem to win every league I enter, thanks for the trade bagger,
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Most of them yahoo leagues? I highly doubt you would win every league you enter in shark leagues. If those leagues are shark leagues, and if I ever have an opening in any of the leagues I commish, I think you would be a great addition. PM me your email address, so that I will have it in the event I have any openings. These are $$$ leagues.
 
from that other site...

Curious to know how many local leagues actually enforce a time limit per pick. If so, I have a few questions:

1) How long is it?

2) What happens if you let time run down to zero?

3) Has any1 ever let their time run down to zero and, if so, why did that happen?

I ask because I face a time limit in the high stakes events I play (WCOFF, FF Masters, etc.). Furthermore, I've let my time run down to zero on numerous occasions for strategic purposes. Yes, sounds weird. It's all laid out in my book.

-z-
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:lmao: Why are Joe and Co. allowing this tool to pimp this p.o.s. book on their site? Are they getting a cut? This is a very weak attempt at a boosting sales, it seems VERY transparent to me, and I'm an idiot who doesn't know ####! This is so re-damn-diculous that it belongs in the FFA IMHO. Fun thread though, I'd love to see what the FFAers would do to this guy if the powers that be would let 'em. Now that would be fun!

 
from that other site...

Curious to know how many local leagues actually enforce a time limit per pick. If so, I have a few questions:

1) How long is it?

2) What happens if you let time run down to zero?

3) Has any1 ever let their time run down to zero and, if so, why did that happen?

I ask because I face a time limit in the high stakes events I play (WCOFF, FF Masters, etc.). Furthermore, I've let my time run down to zero on numerous occasions for strategic purposes. Yes, sounds weird. It's all laid out in my book.

-z-
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:lmao: Why are Joe and Co. allowing this tool to pimp this p.o.s. book on their site? Are they getting a cut? This is a very weak attempt at a boosting sales, it seems VERY transparent to me, and I'm an idiot who doesn't know ####! This is so re-damn-diculous that it belongs in the FFA IMHO. Fun thread though, I'd love to see what the FFAers would do to this guy if the powers that be would let 'em. Now that would be fun!
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I'm with #00.Here's option 3: "I decided to select my highest-rated WR, and then beat the owner of Team #2 senseless with a hardcover copy of my book on fantasy football, 'Drafting to Win,' available for $21.95 at your favorite bookstore. You can read the full story in Chapter 12."

 
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Here's my second option:

I could draft Garcia now and hope at least one of the three WRs falls to me in the ninth. This seemed like a better possibility than the first option because all three WRs would have to be drafted for this plan not to work. However, I noticed a run of WRs being taken – six in a row had just been drafted! If this trend were to continue then I’d no doubt lose out on all three WRs. Consequently, I decided this second option was just as risky an endeavor as the first. (Clipped from Chapter 12 of Drafting To Win)

Okay, I realize I didn't tell you guys that WRs were being taken off the board left and right. Now you know.

Any1 care to take a shot at what my third option was? Some of you are very hot. :hot:

-z-
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Nobody else seems to want to jump at this one. Not sure what it is that you're looking for here as far as the answer to your riddle. I've thought about it and even though I've got loads of experience at this game, I can't seem to guess what it is you did, or what the three options were. If all teams but #2 had a starter, that does relieve the burden of jumping on Garcia right away, but team 2 would be picking behind you 5 picks later, with a chance of them grabbing Garcia if you didn't in the 8th round. So I guess if you have targeted Garcia and one of the wr's in the next 2 picks, You either take Wayne, and hope Garcia is there in the next round or vise versa. Barring a trade involving picks, I don't see what you are getting at, although I'm interested to know what you did do, as I respect your opinions. Letting time run out and being moved back a pick to see what others will do does not seem like a viable option, it lets others make your decisions for you, so what did you do big Z? We protect 4 players for 3 years, so I always make sure I reload at qb before my Protected qb goes back in, and I try to get a qb that is stronger than a Garcia. I am aware though that a Championship can be won with a qb that is average, or a little above. The team that won it in our league this past year had Favre, and I myself won one with Garcia, when he was in SF. That being said, I believe Garcia this year in Detroit could be a huge pick. Receivers galore.In our league we allow 5 minutes for rounds 1-4, and 2 minutes for all following rounds. Although, if a team is trying to make a trade of some sort, they can request more time, and it will be given. If a team goes over the time limit without requesting more, they are warned and have about 30 seconds to make their selection, if they do not, they are moved to the end of the round. This has only happened a few times in our 16 years of existance. What has happened more often is this. Most leagues have teams in them that are not as experienced, or drink too much beer and don't have an assistant at their draft table, and will pick a player that has already been chosen(and yes we have a draft board for all to see) When that happens, they are moved to the end of the round. This seems to happen just about every year. Good day to you Z. looking forward to your answer

 
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