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timschochet's thread- Mods, please move this thread to the Politics Subforum, thank you (2 Viewers)

I'd love some feedback. Any gross errors here? (Please don't mention anybody who you think has been left out until the list is done, because they may be in the upper 50.) TIA
17 of your picks thus far are pop culture related. Artists, publishers, sportsmen, etc. That's pretty staggering. Also, you've got the lawyers/judges either wrong or massively out of place.
And one presumes that is not yet complete. Given where he has gone already one might presume he would be adding Elvis to his list, perhaps Muhammad Ali, Bob Dylan, Alfred Hitchcock, Henry Fonda or Bogart, and others. One wonders whether then, too, he will be able to fit in Ansel Adams, Georgia O'Keefe and William Muir. What about Thoreau, Whitman, Clements, Will Rogers, Henry Miller, Norman Rockwell, Jackson Pollock, Frank Lloyd Wright and others. We still have Edison, Ford, Tesla, the Wright bros., the Dodge, bros., Steven Jobs, Bill Gates, Seymour Cray and others. We have Lewis and Clark, Seward and others. We have not scratched medicine, physics or chemistry. Telecommunications and aviation have been relatively untouched. Visionary generals from Marshall to Mitchell and no admirals. We have Statesmen and Presidents, educators and labor leaders. Quintessential Americans who invented quintessential items including railroads and most especially guns and munitions (what is more American than shooting stuff and blowing stuff up).

Tim has a broad array from which to select, to be sure. I am also sure that he will have his particularly idiosyncratic takes thrown into the mix, after all it is his list, not an attempt at a definitive or consensus list. I intend to follow along as it is the idiosyncratic entries which will provide educational opportunity. I'm guessing that at least one of them will be someone I have never heard of, or only so in passing.

 
Frank Lloyd Wright was already selected. Alfred Hitchcock, an Englishman for most (all?) of his life will not be selected.

As for the rest...wait and see.

 
Frank Lloyd Wright was already selected. Alfred Hitchcock, an Englishman for most (all?) of his life will not be selected.

As for the rest...wait and see.
Ah.., I see now where Wright made your list. As for Hitchcock he was a legal immigrant. What is more quintessentially American than that? Also, though only a handful of his films came after his citizenship, those were among his best efforts, and when you extend the list for his movies to those made in this country, before and after his citizenship, well, that is more or less the sum and substance of his work.

In the end the list is yours. It is interesting enough that it has caught my attention, and the attention of many others. You have some difficult decisions to make moving forward. From my way of thinking there are a full 100 folks worthy of your last 50 or so spots. Hell, there are 350 or so Americans who have won Nobel prizes, necessarily most will be excluded. There are over 3000 Medal of Honor recipients, 19 of whom have been awarded it more than one time. Most will have to be excluded.

 
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Hmm. Now you've made me wonder about Hitch because I DO have at least one immigrant who accomplished much before coming here, and that person is pretty highly placed.

But even if Hitchcock had spent his entire life as an American, it wouldn't be enough. There are a host of great filmmakers with incredible vision from DW Griffiths to John Ford to Hitchcock to Woody Allen. I chose Spielberg because in terms of American popular culture he's the greatest of all. There's no room for anybody else (though there is a Hollywood studio guy coming up, but that's a different category.)

 
Hmm. Now you've made me wonder about Hitch because I DO have at least one immigrant who accomplished much before coming here, and that person is pretty highly placed.

But even if Hitchcock had spent his entire life as an American, it wouldn't be enough. There are a host of great filmmakers with incredible vision from DW Griffiths to John Ford to Hitchcock to Woody Allen. I chose Spielberg because in terms of American popular culture he's the greatest of all. There's no room for anybody else (though there is a Hollywood studio guy coming up, but that's a different category.)
Wait, so no Kevin Smith? WTF?

 
And comedy aside - ironically - why didn't Lorne Michaels make your list? I assume he isn't going to at this point given who is going to have be here and he would already be way way too high, but the cultural leader that SNL has been is just as important as, say, Madonna.

Oh, and you mentioned 10 Presidents will be on the list from this point. My guess is:

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, Hoover and Reagan.

How many did I get?

 
And comedy aside - ironically - why didn't Lorne Michaels make your list? I assume he isn't going to at this point given who is going to have be here and he would already be way way too high, but the cultural leader that SNL has been is just as important as, say, Madonna.

Oh, and you mentioned 10 Presidents will be on the list from this point. My guess is:

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, Hoover and Reagan.

How many did I get?
8.
 
Because of Lee, Stonewall, and Sherman being on the list, I've got to think Grant's up there. Maybe JFK for cultural significance.

I'm not sure who I would take out though. Good cases could be made for Obama and JQA among the Top 10 too.

 
And comedy aside - ironically - why didn't Lorne Michaels make your list? I assume he isn't going to at this point given who is going to have be here and he would already be way way too high, but the cultural leader that SNL has been is just as important as, say, Madonna.

Oh, and you mentioned 10 Presidents will be on the list from this point. My guess is:

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, Hoover and Reagan.

How many did I get?
Forgot Obama.

 
50. Michael Jackson

The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work.

Let me start by explaining that I was never a big fan. I loved the Jackson 5 back in the day (and still do!) But Michael's biggest solo hits came out at a time when I was listening to punk rock and alternative music and didn't have much to do with top 40 radio. That doesn't mean I didn't listen to it- how could you help it? I can't remember, ever, an album that was more overplayed that Thriller. Perhaps Saturday Night Fever? That's the only one that I can think of that comes close.

I also thought Michael was weird. His whole persona- I just didn't get it. I like plenty of gay or effeminate male artists, but Michael always struck me as a weirdo #####, and I couldn't see the attraction. Then later, he just got stranger and stranger. He was probably a pedophile, a disgusting human being, So why is he on this list anyhow?

Well, we all know why. Because only Sinatra, Elvis, the Beatles, and possibly Madonna match Michael Jackson in cultural influence from a popular celebrity, certainly in the last century, perhaps ever. And of those I just mentioned, with the exception of the Beatles (who are ineligible), Michael is probably the most talented of any of them, especially given the fact that he wrote his own songs, designed his own choreography, etc. (I have a musician friend who asserts that Quincy Jones must be given great credit for Michael Jackson's albums, and that without Quincy they would be nowhere near as good as they are. I don't know enough to judge this.) It took me many years to appreciate just how dominant and influential a figure Jackson truly was.

I have been criticized for having popular music stars on this list. I have tried to limit their number only to the very greatest superstars who had a huge impact on American (and world) culture. Michael Jackson is certainly one of these. Even so, the very astute Ditkaless Wonders noted that I have not included any war heroes yet- and with the exception of generals, nor will I. Was Michael Jackson truly a greater American than Audie Murphy, America's greatest hero of World War II? That's subjective. Certainly I respect Murphy a whole hell of a lot more. If you asked me which guy I would shake the hand of, that's a no brainer. But if you asked me which one was far more influential, which is intrinsic element, IMO, of "greatness", well that's a no-brainer too. It's the King of Pop.

Next up: The man who controlled Hollywood, and thus the world...

 
Hmm. Now you've made me wonder about Hitch because I DO have at least one immigrant who accomplished much before coming here, and that person is pretty highly placed.

But even if Hitchcock had spent his entire life as an American, it wouldn't be enough. There are a host of great filmmakers with incredible vision from DW Griffiths to John Ford to Hitchcock to Woody Allen. I chose Spielberg because in terms of American popular culture he's the greatest of all. There's no room for anybody else (though there is a Hollywood studio guy coming up, but that's a different category.)
There was this fellow named Chaplin...

 
Hmm. Now you've made me wonder about Hitch because I DO have at least one immigrant who accomplished much before coming here, and that person is pretty highly placed.

But even if Hitchcock had spent his entire life as an American, it wouldn't be enough. There are a host of great filmmakers with incredible vision from DW Griffiths to John Ford to Hitchcock to Woody Allen. I chose Spielberg because in terms of American popular culture he's the greatest of all. There's no room for anybody else (though there is a Hollywood studio guy coming up, but that's a different category.)
There was this fellow named Chaplin...
Not American. Or else he'd be somewhere on my list for sure...

 
Hmm. Now you've made me wonder about Hitch because I DO have at least one immigrant who accomplished much before coming here, and that person is pretty highly placed.

But even if Hitchcock had spent his entire life as an American, it wouldn't be enough. There are a host of great filmmakers with incredible vision from DW Griffiths to John Ford to Hitchcock to Woody Allen. I chose Spielberg because in terms of American popular culture he's the greatest of all. There's no room for anybody else (though there is a Hollywood studio guy coming up, but that's a different category.)
There was this fellow named Chaplin...
Not American. Or else he'd be somewhere on my list for sure...
Might have been a Brit, but no director had a greater influence on America.

 
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On Quincy Jones deserving a lot of credit for Jackson's success......

He does, but Quincy also stifled him. Jones tended to lock into a formula with his artists. And I mean LOCK into it (he should have produced AC/DC). Off The Wall still had some of Michael's loopiness to it, as Quincy hadn't gotten the choke-hold tight enough yet. But I prefer that album to Thriller for just that reason. It's quirky as hell, once you scratch past all of the genre-gloss on top - much moreso than Thriller is.

 
49. Louis B. Mayer

I will only make pictures that I won't be ashamed to have my children see.

During the first few years of the 20th century, a handful of Jewish immigrants, who originally settled in eastern cities such as New York, Boston, and Cleveland, settled in Hollywood, a suburb of Los Angeles and created the motion picture industry. For the rest of the first half of the 20th century, until television gradually overtook them, this small handful of Jews did more to influence American and world culture, mores, and thinking than any other single source. The most prominent of these men was the head of MGM studios, Louis B. Mayer.

Mayer was a political and social conservative, but in terms of innovation he was one of our greatest visionaries. Together with his partner, the brilliant Irving Thalberg, Mayer created the Hollywood "system" of closed studios, promotion of stardom, etc. He helped create the motion picture "star" and later on the motion picture actor when the advent of sound eliminated the talents of most of the silent stars. Mayer and his friends had tight control over everything that was released in Hollywood, and during the years of Mayer's life, Hollywood was basically the ONLY venue for the motion picture.

Perhaps even more importantly in terms of how Americans view themselves, it might be fair to say that Louis B; Mayer and his cohorts essentially created American history. Generations of Americans formed their perceptions of the west, the Civil War, the treatment of indians, blacks, and immigrants, much more from Hollywood than they did from any history book. MGM's greatest masterpiece, Gone With The Wind, created the perception that blacks enjoyed slavery and were treated kindly by their masters, and this perception lasted for decades afterwards. And this was deliberate: Mayer was determined to show a happy America, with few warts. Later films that would question American history would have to wait until after Mayer's death.

Interestingly enough, the one group who for the most part escaped notice from Hollywood and MGM were the Jews. For most of Mayer's career, even during and after World War II, Jews simply did not exist in Hollywood presentation. Jewish actors were given "Christian" names. Jewish themes were not allowed. Mayer wanted to present an all-American image. (Ironically, though Mayer and the other Jewish executors of Hollywood became among the wealthiest men in America, they were ostracized as Jews from Los Angeles society. Unable to purchase homes in choice LA areas, they created Beverly Hills and built their homes there. Unable to join fancy Christian exclusive country clubs such as Riviera, Bel-Air, the Los Angeles Country Club and the Jonathan Club, they formed their own country clubs such as Hillcrest and Brentwood.)

Louis B. Mayer was forced out of MGM in 1951 and he died in 1957, just as the film industry was being taken over by television as the main purveyor of American culture. Though Hollywood would in the years afterwards actuality become even larger and more popular than ever before, it would never exhibit such a singular command of world society and culture as it did during it's formative years- mainly the years of Louis B. Mayer.

Up next: A Founding Father, born out of wedlock in the West Indies...

 
I can understand this pick and it's a fairly decent job of going with someone that most would have never thought of. But I'm still not understanding how you can fully recognize the impact this guy had and then completely miss Andrew Carnegie.

 
I can understand this pick and it's a fairly decent job of going with someone that most would have never thought of. But I'm still not understanding how you can fully recognize the impact this guy had and then completely miss Andrew Carnegie.
I didn't completely miss him. He is on my list after all. I'm probably overemphasizing popular culture though.

 
48. Alexander Hamilton

Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything.

One of our great Founding Fathers, Hamilton could be considered a sort of superstar Jack of All Trades, a utility infielder who makes the all-star team. Among his many achievements:

1. He was the chief military aide to General George Washington during the Revolutionary War.

2. He wrote 51 of the 85 installments of the Federalist papers, which, while not formal law, represents the single most important document for Constitutional intepretation.

3 He was the founder of our nation's system of finance.

4. He was the founder of the Federalist Party (the world's first voter based political party.)

5. He was the first Secretary of the Treasury, and the most important one in our history. In this role, Hamilton paid the debts of the states, established a central bank, made friendly trade overtures to Great Britain, and sought to make the federal government stronger. In these efforts he was mainly opposed by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. (Ironically, though Jefferson was Hamilton's great adversary, Hamilton actually was the key to getting Jefferson elected President over Aaron Burr, whom Hamilton considered unprincipled. This and other slights later led to Burr challenging Hamilton to a duel, in which Hamilton was killed.)

Given all this, I'm sure the only question I'm going to get is why isn't Hamilton even higher on this list? A good argument could be made, perhaps, that he deserves to be in the top ten even.

My answer is that, even at 48 we're getting into some pretty elite territory here. There is not a single person coming up who isn't an absolute giant of American history, culture, industry, science, or overall achievement. Hamilton certainly belongs as one of the greats, but even higher? That's for the reader to decide.

Next up: The quiet man, born in Texas, raised in Kansas, who led what might be considered the final great crusade...

 
47. Dwight Eisenhower

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

In my ranking of US Presidents, Eisenhower was in my top 10 (I think he was Yankee's top 10 as well). However, as good as a President as he was, his main accomplishment (and the main reason he is on THIS list) is his role during World War II, in which he served as the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in North Africa and Europe, and planned and executed both Torch (the invasion of North Africa and Overlord (the invasion of western Europe.)

These two invasions were the largest and most complex military engagements in world history, and given the shrinking nature of our planet, will very likely forever remain so. The logistics of planning and carrying out these two exercises were staggering and, for all of their bloodiness, must represent one of both mankind's and America's greatest achievements. One aspect which cannot be overlooked was the ability of the two major nations, the USA and Great Britain, to manage to work together effectively despite both very strong strategic and tactical disagreements. For all of this, Dwight Eisenhower was the man most responsible for its success.

Ike was not a brilliant man, nor did he have tremendous vision, or a commanding and charismatic presence. Nor was he a particularly gifted speaker nor was he a terrific military strategist. All of these traits belonged to another man, Eisenhower's contemporary of the Pacific War, whom we'll get to a little later. But Eisenhower was a terrific organizer, and he had that rare quality of persistence that made him trustworthy as a man who cut through all the BS and got things done. Like Grant, Eisenhower's quality would not be recognized during peacetime, and he languished for decades as a lowly major in the US Army. Like Grant, when war struck Ike's quality of getting things done quickly rose to the forefront and his ascent was rapid and dizzying.

I have discussed Eisenhower's achievements as President previously in this thread and there is no reason to bring them up again here, except to repeat that he was one of our better and more competent leaders, with a fresh and honest way of looking at the world and an intolerance for nonsense. One wonders what he would make of today's Republican party.

Up next: His monument reads: "He lifted the veil of ignorance from his people and pointed the way to progress through education and industry."

 
Imagine many of us will/can say the same for all of the top 50, but Ike should be about 10-20 spots higher.

but that's quibbling. Top 50 is an honor.

 
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Most of the people who say that baseball games are boring don't spend their time watching baseball games.

Thanks for your support, larch!

 
46. Booker T. Washington

Nothing ever comes to one, that is worth having, except as a result of hard work.

A good chunk of our history is dominated by the struggle for African-American civil rights, dating from the last decades of slavery to the end of the Jim Crow era, roughly about 130 years (1840-1970.) An instructive way of looking at this entire time period is by dividing it nearly equally into 3 parts, each one dominated by a single black man who was considered to be the major spokesperson for blacks in his era. Each of these 3 men will be placed in the top half of this list. The middle of these, who dominated African-American thinking at the turn of the 20th century, was the great educator Booker T. Washington.

Born into slavery and self-educated, Washington established the famous Tuskegee Institute in Alabama. He believed that the way for blacks to achieve equality was not to confront segregation but instead by self-improvement and education. Washington was opposed by the more militant (for the time, anyhow) NAACP, led by W.E.B. Dubois. (Dubois, a man whose long life encompassed two separate eras of African-American thinking, came EXTREMELY close to making my top 100 list but in the end I had to leave him off because at no time did his actions or writings have a dominant influence on the Civil Rights struggle.)

Because Washington was a moderate of his time and not a rebel, he is not as respected as he might be in Black Studies. Historians generally admire more the people who fight against the establishment rather than those who attempt to achieve their goals within the establishment, and this remains true even today. But Washington deserves much greater recognition and respect than he has gotten, because he was a master at recognizing the limitations of his situation and attempting to get much done. Like John Dewey (ranked earlier in this list) Washington was a believer in the liberal theory that education could solve most social ills. Though this continues to be a highly debatable and complex issue, there is no question that Washington achieved more by increasing educational opportunities for blacks of his era than did any of the more fiery rebels that today's Black Studies teachers tend to revere more.

Washington is also criticized by liberals (and tends to be admired by conservatives) because he was a champion of American capitalism and the free-enterprise system. He believed his entire life that even with racism in the American south, blacks had greater opportunities here than they would in any other country due to freedom and capitalism. Again, he was greatly at odds in this thinking with most of his black contemporary intellectuals of the time, who tended to be leftist (anywhere from slightly socialist to full out Communist.)

Up next: She started a revolution by saying "No."

 
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)

Public Acumen/Persuasion

Not gonna lie. In putting together these final guys I'm trying to figure out where all the attacks are going to come from which is a first. And is the exact problem with these guys. It's still too soon. But I'll jump off that box and get to it.
Were you disappointed that no one "attacked" this?

 
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Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)

Public Acumen/Persuasion

Not gonna lie. In putting together these final guys I'm trying to figure out where all the attacks are going to come from which is a first. And is the exact problem with these guys. It's still too soon. But I'll jump off that box and get to it.
Were you disappointed that no one "attacked" this?
Not at all. One of my primary objectives in the exercise was to remove my personal political preferences for the men in the office and just try to be as objective as possible. The most negative feedback I received was on Woodrow Wilson who is by many measures a controversial figure so that is to be expected. I think overall the lack of intense debate from my exercise might just be a testament to the fairness that I think I managed to control it with.

 
45. Rosa Parks

Each person must live their life as a model for others.

Guess my hint was way too easy, though I really wish that people wouldn't guess it outright beforehand and give it away. (Most people have class enough not to).

Rosa Parks was not the first African-American woman to refuse to move to the back of one of the segregated Montgomery buses; nor was she the first to be arrested for it. But the women that came before her weren't suitable to be the symbol of a mass movement; Rosa Parks, because she was widely respected and a leader of the NAACP, was. Rosa Parks also did not make the decision for blacks in Montgomery to boycott the buses; that was made by two other women who decided to use Parks as their symbol. Several ministers were involved at first, but Martin Luther King, Jr. was almost randomly chosen. There is a lot of luck that goes into history.

The final irony is that the boycott, as famous as it made Parks and King, was not successful. At the same time, the national branch of the NAACP decided to take the issue to federal court, and it went to the Supreme Court, which ruled to desegregate the buses. That court case, and that decision, would have happened even if there had been no boycott. And there is ample evidence that, had there been no court decision, the boycott would have ended in a victory for the bus company, as the blacks of Montgomery after a year of walking to work (or finding sympathetic employers to drive them) could no longer afford to do so and enthusiasm was waning. (All of this is document in Taylor Branch's brilliant work Parting the Waters, highly recommended.)

But none of this matters too much, because Rose Parks is rightfully remembered for starting the Civil Rights movement. If the boycott wasn't successful, it was a pivotal turning point because it represented the first organized resistance to Jim Crow, which would ultimately change America and the world. So Rosa Parks is revered for this as a great American, and deservedly so.

As a side note, I have to add this, and remember I am a fan of Hillary Clinton, but probably her most embarrassing moment ever as a politician came in late 2007 when she traveled to Montgomery and attempted to quote the words of an old black woman who had joined the boycott, "MY FEETS AIN'T TIRED!" etc. That was truly cringeworthy, even for a fan such as myself.

Next up: for most of the 20th century, the most respected American woman...

 
44. Eleanor Roosevelt

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

From the time she was a child, she was an ugly, serious girl. She told friends late in life, "When your mother says that your face has character, you know you're not very good-looking." Her nickname was "Granny". She grew up in New York Society, with a famous name, and as Doris Kearns Goodwin put it, "society was horrified."

She fell in love with her first cousin, Franklin, and they were married. Whether or not he was ever in love with her, or simply chose her as suitable for his ambitions, is an open question. Very shortly after they were married Franklin began an affair with Lucy Mercer Rutherford, a southern beauty, and this affair continued throughout his life (he died at Lucy's house in Warm Springs, Georgia.) Eleanor was left for public appearances, producing an heir, etc.

Then Franklin became President, and everything changed. Because with all apologies to Dolly, Jacqueline, Hillary, and Michele, Eleanor Roosevelt was the greatest First Lady in American history. With politics to the left of FDR, Eleanor became the most famous and outstanding female personality throughout the most formative years of the 20th century: the Great Depression and World War 2, and the early years of the Cold War, following FDR's death, in which she was the foremost champion of the United Nations (and in particular UNICEF.) She was America's ambassador to the world for 4 decades, a woman highly regarded everywhere she went, beloved by most people (even by conservatives who had detested her husband.)

Here is the most controversial part of this selection: with one exception (coming up shortly) Eleanor Roosevelt is the highest ranking woman on this list. She is the highest ranking modern woman on this list, the woman ranked above her being from the 19th century. That means that, in a list already mostly dominated by men,

there are 42 men remaining in the top 43.

Feminists would howl at such rankings. It's not fair. But it's also true: men have dominated American history. That's just the way it is. Perhaps in another 100 years, now that we have (mostly) achieved equality, woman will be all over the top 25 greatest Americans. Perhaps President Hillary Clinton will lead the way to a new age of dominant women in our society. But not now.

Up next: Speaking of women, there's no doubt in my mind that my next pick had sex with more of them, all stunningly beautiful, than anyone else on this list...

 
43. Hugh Hefner

Someone once asked, "What's Your best pickup line?" I said, "My best pickup line is, 'Hi, I'm Hugh Hefner.'"

Some are sure to find this selection among the more controversial on this list, but there is no doubt in my mind that Hugh Hefner has had one of the most profound impacts on American society of anyone I have mentioned. Quite literally, the acceptable standards for American culture in terms of sexuality can be divided basically into two eras: before Playboy magazine and after Playboy magazine. Before Playboy magazine, the United States, acting upon the Calvinistic roots of it's founders (of which, ironically, Hef was a direct descendent) essentially shunned sexuality as sinful. After Playboy magazine, America accepted sexuality as a normal part of life. Playboy magazine, according to many sociologists, was the dividing line.

It was not Hefner's intent to change American culture; he simply wanted to publish a magazine for adult, erudite men such as himself, and include naked photos of women. Basically, as he has explained over and over, he wanted to have fun and make a buck or two at the same time. But deliberate or not, he started the revolution. Playboy essentially destroyed censorship in the United States; it destroyed obscenity laws, and it created the pornographic industry. Beyond that, it changed the role of women in American society (another great irony, since modern day feminists have spent decades attacking Hefner and Playboy for relegating women to stereotypical roles.) Not least, Playboy paved the way for acceptance of homosexuality.

As for Hefner himself, he seems to have had a pretty good life. Some close to him argue that he missed out on true love, and perhaps there's something to that; who knows? If Hef is unhappy, he's certainly never shown it. He's 89 now, still hanging out in the Mansion with beautiful 20 year olds. I haven't heard him complain about it. Would you?

Up next: at the forefront of the two greatest communication revolutions of the 20th century....

 
42. William S. Paley

We have to give most of the people what they want most of the time; that's what they expect from us.

Bill Paley, the chief executive of the Columbia Broadcasting System throughout the majority of the 20th century, has arguably as great an impact on American and world society as anybody on this list. As I wrote in the hint, he was at the forefront of the two greatest communications revolutions perhaps ever, those being radio and television. It was Paley who first conceived, in early radio days, of a national "network" that would feature programming heard by all parts of the country. It was Paley who guided how this network programming be arranged by category: the variety and comedy shows, the dramas featuring police and the west, and later, for television, the situation comedy. It was Paley who knew his audience and committed CBS to low-brow humor (though he himself had excellent taste, but excellent taste didn't sell.) It was Paley who devised the daily soap operas, prime time programming, sports on the weekend. Where CBS led, other networks followed.

Not least, of course, Paley created the nightly news, with all that entailed for our political system. The power of the nightly news to influence both American and world thought was and remains greater than any newspaper, magazine, or online source (though, as I noted in my writeup of Walter Cronkite, this power has become somewhat diluted by the onslaught of cable and so many different outlets for the news today.) In Paley's time his nightly radio and later TV reports, featuring such brilliant journalists as the aforementioned Cronkite, William L. Shirer, Fred Friendly, and one that will be ranked a little higher up this list, dominated all American political thought.

Paley himself was a quiet though forceful executive, apolitical, (though he did allow CBS to take a strong stand against Senator Joe McCarthy.) I should add that, among his other incredible accomplishments at CBS, he also added to it a record company, CBS, developed the 33 1/3 record to compete with RCA's 45, and proceeded to revolutionize that industry as well. Paley hired the brilliant Peter Goldmark to work at CBS laboratories, and he invented the color television and the first video recorders.

Up next: the man who came to despise, for a variety of reasons, the new technological era that he did so much to create...

 
41. J. Robert Oppenheimer

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true.

Oppenheimer's most famous quote, which I originally wanted to use, was "I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds". But the quote isn't his; it's taken from the Bhavagad-Gita . Oppenhelimer said it during the Los Alamos testing, which was a success; he whispered it almost to himself while watching the mushroom cloud rise high in the area. No doubt the various high ranking generals that were with him thought it an odd statement; to them they were witnessing a military triumph and a weapon that would soon be used against Japan. But they thought Oppenheimer and odd duck anyhow; an egghead, a pacifist, probably a Communist and pansy. Leslie Groves, in charge of the Manhattan Project and no scientist, disliked and distrusted Oppenheimer, but knew that he was the man of the hour.

J. Robert Oppenheimer was never a happy man. He wasn't able to suffer fools easily. He originally came into the Manhattan Project because of the scientific challenge and also because as a Jew and an American he wasted to defeat Nazi Germany and beat them to the bomb; he was never fearful that Japan represented an equal threat. When Germany was defeated some of the scientists working at Los Alamos proposed stopping the effort, but Oppenheimer was infatuated with the process; this was always his weakness. Years later, he drove to Edward Teller's house determined to convince Teller not to build the hydrogen bomb, since it would be, in Oppenheimer's view, a moral catastrophe for the world. Teller invited Oppenheimer in and showed him the mathematical problems he was working on with regard to the H-Bomb; and Oppenheimer became so entranced that he spent the entire day and night with Teller helping him solve the problems and never got around to giving Teller his moral point of view. That was Oppenheimer.

The US government, once they got what they wanted from him, treated him like crap. Oppenheimer was partially opposed to the use of the bomb at Hiroshima, and vehemently opposed to its use at Nagasaki, believing it wholly unnecessary. He became very alarmed by the buildup of nuclear weapons and said so. This made the government convinced he was a "fellow traveler" for the Soviets; his security clearance was revoked. He died somewhat in obscurity.

Oppenheimer's place on this list was never in doubt. For better or worse, he is the man most responsible for moving America and the world into the nuclear age, with all that has entailed.

Next up: Probably our most famous expatriate...

 

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