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Tim, what was the most excruciating thing you weren't able to comment on during your imposed silence?  

Welcome back guy 

 
timschochet said:
3. I oppose the Republican healthcare bill for a variety of reasons, but a whole lot of the liberal rhetoric about it is unhelpful: the Republicans are trying to kill people, deliberately prevent poor people from getting healthcare, etc. Whom are you trying to convince with this? 

The worst aspect of populist politics, IMO, is the demonizing of one's opposition. Though Trump has been the most vocal recent proponent of this awful practice, Democrats certainly have their own long shameful history, and here it is again rearing its ugly head, particularly with Warren and Schumer, and imitated by some of the posters in this forum. I hate it. 
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From what I'm hearing, the bill would screw a lot of people out of health care, which logically means some will die as a result. And the bill simultaneously lowers taxes for the wealthy.

Agree that it's not a great strategy to demonize the opposition but I don't know how you can discuss this bill honestly without framing them as evil or heartless. 

 
McGarnicle said:
From what I'm hearing, the bill would screw a lot of people out of health care, which logically means some will die as a result. And the bill simultaneously lowers taxes for the wealthy.

Agree that it's not a great strategy to demonize the opposition but I don't know how you can discuss this bill honestly without framing them as evil or heartless. 
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Yet the Democrats screwed a whole lot of people out of insurance with Obamacare.  Most of us are basically self insured with the extremely high deductibles, co-pays and premiums.  If you don't think that is NOT preventing people from going to the doctor when necessary - possibly making a health situation much worse or deadly - then you are an out of your mind partisan hack.

But, hey, as long as the left can proclaim someone technically HAS insurance (but really can't use it) then that's all that counts, amiright?

ETA:  I'm not really supportive of the GOP alternative either.  It seems neither side gives two ####### ####es about anyone as they both refuse to address the real problem - cost.

 
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ETA:  I'm not really supportive of the GOP alternative either.  It seems neither said gives two ####### ####es about anyone as they both refuse to address the real problem - cost.
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:goodposting:

 
McGarnicle said:
From what I'm hearing, the bill would screw a lot of people out of health care, which logically means some will die as a result. And the bill simultaneously lowers taxes for the wealthy.

Agree that it's not a great strategy to demonize the opposition but I don't know how you can discuss this bill honestly without framing them as evil or heartless. 
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The Republican philosophy is generally to move  control of these issues away from the federal government to state and local authorities as they believe that will be more cost efficient. That philosophy is one that I've come to disagree with in terms of health care, but it is neither evil nor heartless. And it's a trait of liberals to assume that if the federal government doesn't do something then it isn't done, and that line of thinking is unfair to conservatives IMO. 

 
timschochet said:
The Republican philosophy is generally to move  control of these issues away from the federal government to state and local authorities as they believe that will be more cost efficient. That philosophy is one that I've come to disagree with in terms of health care, but it is neither evil nor heartless. And it's a trait of liberals to assume that if the federal government doesn't do something then it isn't done, and that line of thinking is unfair to conservatives IMO. 
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Come to Texas.  Healthcare here is both evil and heartless.  Children pay the biggest price for those wonderful Republican policies.  Local (state) control of this stuff is discriminatory and just plain wrong.

 
timschochet said:
The Republican philosophy is generally to move  control of these issues away from the federal government to state and local authorities as they believe that will be more cost efficient. That philosophy is one that I've come to disagree with in terms of health care, but it is neither evil nor heartless. And it's a trait of liberals to assume that if the federal government doesn't do something then it isn't done, and that line of thinking is unfair to conservatives IMO. 
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We as a nation pay more for health care and get less in return than most industrialized countries. They have single payer. I'm not a welfare state guy but there's no denying that most countries with single payer health care are doing a better job than us.

For republicans to try to push it off to the states, or just let the free market take care of it is disingenuous at best. If they genuinely believe that's the solution, okay, they're not evil, they're just stupid. 

 
McGarnicle said:
We as a nation pay more for health care and get less in return than most industrialized countries. They have single payer. I'm not a welfare state guy but there's no denying that most countries with single payer health care are doing a better job than us.

For republicans to try to push it off to the states, or just let the free market take care of it is disingenuous at best. If they genuinely believe that's the solution, okay, they're not evil, they're just stupid. 
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What countries have a single payer system that is considered great?  What makes their system great?

 
Uwe Blab said:
Is the Russia thread DOA?  Twas a good little read even if discussion was low-ish.

See Wonder Woman?  Gal Gadot :wub: thoughts?...AND NO I'M NOT ASKING BECAUSE SHE IS ISRAELI.
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1. I will return to it. It was very time consuming so I ask patience. But hopefully next week sometime. 

2. I liked WW but didn't love it. It's odd that so used to enjoy comics so much as a kid but I'm not too fond of the movies. I want more character development. Gadot is beautiful and amazing. 

 
Ren Ho3k said:
Tim, what was the most excruciating thing you weren't able to comment on during your imposed silence?  

Welcome back guy 
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Thanks Ren. 

I think it was the extended discussion about what the Democratic Party should do after losing the latest special election. It was a thoughtful debate (though I believe everybody is overreacting) and I wanted to take part, even though I'm not really a Democrat. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Tim:
Chaplin or Keaton?

Astaire or Kelly?

Favorite Hitchcock film? 
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1. Chaplin. There are no Keaton films to compare with Chaplin's masterpieces (City Lights, Gold Rush, Modern Times, The Great Dictator.) The General is a great film, though.

2. For me, Kelly, but some of this has to do with the superior technology from the 50s rather than the decades before. Astaire's best movies are from the early 30s (arguably) while Singin in the Rain, An American in Paris, etc., are from a more polished era.

3. Well I go back and forth on this. I love most of the famous ones. But Vertigo has a special place in my heart since I saw it in a movie theater (in San Francisco, where it was filmed.)

 
MaxThreshold said:
Hah!  Trick question!  There are no countries with a single payer system that is great.
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Hell they can change my question to what countries have a single payer system that is good.  What makes it good or what makes it better than our system?  Canada, for example, has long waits for certain procedures, do not cover other procedures that most americans current policies do cover, and does not give full free healthcare to immigrants.  How can we afford "free" healthcare from the government in the US and provide it to immigrants too?

I'm all for everyone having healthcare.  100%.  I'm also for choices and a market.  I have concerns about how we pay for it.  ACA not only raised taxes but also raised my premiums and out of pocket costs significantly with less coverage.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Hell they can change my question to what countries have a single payer system that is good.  What makes it good or what makes it better than our system?  Canada, for example, has long waits for certain procedures, do not cover other procedures that most americans current policies do cover, and does not give full free healthcare to immigrants.  How can we afford "free" healthcare from the government in the US and provide it to immigrants too?

I'm all for everyone having healthcare.  100%.  I'm also for choices and a market.  I have concerns about how we pay for it.  ACA not only raised taxes but also raised my premiums and out of pocket costs significantly with less coverage.  
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I think you raise some good points. But the question is where we go from here. I don't believe what the Republicans are proposing is a positive step forward. 

 
Hey Tim would you mind changing the title of this thread to 'The Afghan War' or something neutral like that? I think we could use a basic Afghanistan War thread, it's obviously still going on, should be remembered, but it doesn't need the political slant ion the title IMO. Thanks.

 
Hot chicks putting their hair in a bun.  Yeah or nay?

For some reason this drives me nuts.  Takes them down a couple notches on the offdee scale, IMO.

 
cap'n grunge said:
Obama at 12. That will go over well with some conservatives here.
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I think it's just a tad high.  Thinking he should be around 15 or so.  Lot of his legacy still hanging in the balance.

ETA:  How did Eisenhower jump 3 spots into the top 5?

 
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I think it's just a tad high.  Thinking he should be around 15 or so.  Lot of his legacy still hanging in the balance.
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I wasn't a big fan of the ACA and how it got done but at least he tried to do something. I was a huge fan of how he stabilized the economy when the #### was really hitting the fan and he was a calming force. I agreed with his overall approach to redirect the country away from stupid nation building missions but even in the end there our foreign policy got a little confusing and lacked clarity. I blame Hillary.

 
Change the title of this thread to Tim's Latest Book.  Nobody would dare enter such thread and then we can do the draft in here.  

 
I have no qualms with any of you fellas. You all are good people.

I guess my beef was that the Anarchy League announcement, not the league drafts mind you, was bumped out of the Shark Pool because, as it was told to me, these types of draft threads belong in one of either the LFL or Mock Draft forums.  That didnt make a whole lotta sense to me either, since the SP is for football discussions. :shrug:

I guess I was just looking for some consistency with the FFA manifesto. 

My apologies. 

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
I have no qualms with any of you fellas. You all are good people.

I guess my beef was that the Anarchy League announcement, not the league drafts mind you, was bumped out of the Shark Pool because, as it was told to me, these types of draft threads belong in one of either the LFL or Mock Draft forums.  That didnt make a whole lotta sense to me either, since the SP is for football discussions. :shrug:

I guess I was just looking for some consistency with the FFA manifesto. 

My apologies. 
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Understood. No problem.

 
Wow--bummer that the original thread got moved.  Thank you for changing the title of this thread as I'm not sure that I would have figured that out very quickly.  Pretty lame that somebody that is not in the league complained about it.   

 
timschochet said:
I am going to send a PM to Aaron asking that the draft be held in the FFA. Best I can do.
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as I explained via PM, I'm not the one who moved it.

I don't mind having a few FFA leagues around from time to time, but also don't want to set a precedent of letting them all use the FFA. So, it's kind of subjective anyway.

Personally, I would have been fine with the Anarchy stuff in the Shark Pool but I can understand why they moved them.

Also, since the board lets you @timschochet someone to alert them when they are up, it's not that hard to have a draft in another forum IMO.

 
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