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timschochet's thread- Mods, please move this thread to the Politics Subforum, thank you (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
mr roboto said:
Tim don't all tenants who are altering the interior need to apply for permits for construction? We do everywhere and we lease 1,500 sq ft spaces.
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Yes. But at least in our case, applying to the county as well as the city is something new. Here we have other states easing restrictions, and California seems to be making them harder.
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Tim

I know your not a huge fan of his. But this comment made me think of this awesomeness re: Southern California zoning/building things. Thought you'd appreciate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ZdY9BLbgQ

 
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timschochet said:
Todd Andrews said:
timschochet said:
mr roboto said:
Are Jews primarily a religious group or an ethnic group. I've always wanted to understand this. You seem to be a good guy to ask.

Many Jews in the US are fairly non-religious (from a practicing standpoint) yet identify as Jewish. Obviously there was a group of ethnic Israelites that stretch far back so I understand that they are Jewish heritage. There are no other good comparisons among the major religions of the world (where the religious group and ethnic group overlap so clearly).
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This is a very good question. I definitely believe that Jews are as much an ethnicity as they are religious. Sarah Silverman, for instance, identifies herself as "very Jewish". But she is an atheist. I would probably categorize myself the same way.The main reason for the ethnicity angle is this: the Ashkenazi Jews almost all settled some 900 years ago in central and eastern Europe. Due to discrimination they were forced to live together in ghettoes, developing their own communities, language (Yiddish), mannerisms, food, etc. Everything that would define an ethnicity would define them, and the strong majority of Jews living in the United States are descended from these "Fiddler On the Roof" Jews. Now there are also African Jews, Egyptian Jews, Iranian Jews, etc- while these Jews celebrate the same holidays and religious traditions, they don't share the same ethnic traditions.

So when I say that Jews are an ethnic group, I am really speaking about Ashkenazi Jews from central and Eastern Europe, not all Jews. Yet some people in this forum have taken real issue with my claim on this, especially Rich Conway, who for some reason (though I don't think he is Jewish himself) is very insistent that Judaism is ONLY a religion.
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I am a Sephardic Scot-Irish Jesuit Cherokee. Is that ethnic or religious?
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Its kook.
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YOU L1EEEEEEEEE1!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
I've decided that, after the New Year, I'd like to use this thread to discuss the United States Constitution. I want to go through it, article by article, and amendment by amendment, and discuss the various meanings, what was intended, and how it affects our daily lives. I lnow very little about this subject so it will be a learning experience for me just as much as it will for anyone who chooses to read and partake in the discussion. Hopefully we'll get some of our legal minds around here to chime in. It won't be a hurried discussion; we'll take our time with it.

 
timschochet said:
I've decided that, after the New Year, I'd like to use this thread to discuss the United States Constitution. I want to go through it, article by article, and amendment by amendment, and discuss the various meanings, what was intended, and how it affects our daily lives. I lnow very little about this subject so it will be a learning experience for me just as much as it will for anyone who chooses to read and partake in the discussion. Hopefully we'll get some of our legal minds around here to chime in. It won't be a hurried discussion; we'll take our time with it.
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I think that's a good idea. I'm in. I'd like to see the varying opinions and understandings.

 
timschochet said:
Gawain said:
timschochet said:
mr roboto said:
Tim does your wife celebrate Christmas?
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Yep and we're going to church today.
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Well then, Merry Christmas to you!
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And to everyone here!
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timschochet said:
Gawain said:
timschochet said:
mr roboto said:
Tim does your wife celebrate Christmas?
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Yep and we're going to church today.
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Well then, Merry Christmas to you!
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And to everyone here!
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And to you and yours as well!

 
I'm in a mega church for the first time in my life. There must be over 4,000 people here.

The music is simply superior to any church I have ever been to (white ones that is).

 
Good morning and Merry Christmas to all. That church I went to last night really was huge. A very different experience. While the music was better, the overall experience was much more uncomfortable for me as a nonbeliever. The small Lutheran church I was used to going to was much warmer in their Christmas message IMO. This one, which is much more youthful, was all about knowing Jesus is the ONLY way to get to Heaven and no matter how good people try to be everyone else is screwed. There was just a tinge of fanaticism among the crowd too. A little scary to me.

 
timschochet said:
Good morning and Merry Christmas to all. That church I went to last night really was huge. A very different experience. While the music was better, the overall experience was much more uncomfortable for me as a nonbeliever. The small Lutheran church I was used to going to was much warmer in their Christmas message IMO. This one, which is much more youthful, was all about knowing Jesus is the ONLY way to get to Heaven and no matter how good people try to be everyone else is screwed. There was just a tinge of fanaticism among the crowd too. A little scary to me.
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Welcome to non-denominational Evangelicalism!
 
timschochet said:
Good morning and Merry Christmas to all. That church I went to last night really was huge. A very different experience. While the music was better, the overall experience was much more uncomfortable for me as a nonbeliever. The small Lutheran church I was used to going to was much warmer in their Christmas message IMO. This one, which is much more youthful, was all about knowing Jesus is the ONLY way to get to Heaven and no matter how good people try to be everyone else is screwed. There was just a tinge of fanaticism among the crowd too. A little scary to me.
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Merry Christmas Tim.

 
Just wanted to say that I'm reading the World's Greatest Draft thread again, as I do occasionally, because I always learn something new.

 
Good morning. I wanted to ask a question which was first raised about a year ago but which is still interesting:

The movie Back to the Future is about to be 30 years old. Michael J Fox travels back in time 30 years to 1955 and marvels at all the cultural, societal, and technological differences. In the 30 years since that film, have we had as many changes to our society? Less? More? If a teenager traveled back to 1985 from today, would he be just as shocked and surprised?

 
Reading through the seatbelt thread and I see Strikes2k pulling the same crap with somebody else that he pulled with me dozens of times. I think he must be a really unhappy guy in real life...

 
timschochet said:
Good morning. I wanted to ask a question which was first raised about a year ago but which is still interesting:

The movie Back to the Future is about to be 30 years old. Michael J Fox travels back in time 30 years to 1955 and marvels at all the cultural, societal, and technological differences. In the 30 years since that film, have we had as many changes to our society? Less? More? If a teenager traveled back to 1985 from today, would he be just as shocked and surprised?
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other than their inability to make a phone call, the computing power of an apple 2c, the total lack of Internet, no texting or emails, the size and picture quality of televisions that only get a few dozen channels, 99 cent gas and 60 cent sodas, nobody understanding their pop culture references, everyone watching cheers and an MTV that only showed music videos, tapes and vcrs instead of ipods and dvds, video tapes you have to return to the store, cars that use actual keys and don't have power windows, total unavailability of porn, everything closes early and stores not opening on Sunday, nothing but crap domestic beer, which you have to pay for in cash because credit cards aren't accepted everywhere, people smoking everywhere indoors or out, public toilets that don't flush automatically and faucets you have to turn on and paper towels you have to hand crank, almost no chain restaurants except stuff like McDonald's, big boy, and dennys, clothes that look like an after picture from a paintball game, air conditioning being a luxury, people smearing crisco on themselves to get more tan, kids playing outside by themselves without parents, cities being smaller and smog everywhere, smoke stacks and leaded gas and aerosol sprays, the world wasn't all that different.
 
Bostonfred, I don't believe that all of your statements are accurate. Cars had power windows. Porn was available by videotape, certain theaters, and adult bookstores. Stores were open on Sundays. International beer was certainly available everywhere. Most places took credit cards. Chain restaurants included Olive Garden, El Torito, and Beni Hana. And HVAC was not considered a luxury.

Of course this was true in my neck of the woods (Southern California). You may have had a different experience depending on where you live.

 
bostonfred said:
timschochet said:
Good morning. I wanted to ask a question which was first raised about a year ago but which is still interesting:

The movie Back to the Future is about to be 30 years old. Michael J Fox travels back in time 30 years to 1955 and marvels at all the cultural, societal, and technological differences. In the 30 years since that film, have we had as many changes to our society? Less? More? If a teenager traveled back to 1985 from today, would he be just as shocked and surprised?
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other than their inability to make a phone call, the computing power of an apple 2c, the total lack of Internet, no texting or emails, the size and picture quality of televisions that only get a few dozen channels, 99 cent gas and 60 cent sodas, nobody understanding their pop culture references, everyone watching cheers and an MTV that only showed music videos, tapes and vcrs instead of ipods and dvds, video tapes you have to return to the store, cars that use actual keys and don't have power windows, total unavailability of porn, everything closes early and stores not opening on Sunday, nothing but crap domestic beer, which you have to pay for in cash because credit cards aren't accepted everywhere, people smoking everywhere indoors or out, public toilets that don't flush automatically and faucets you have to turn on and paper towels you have to hand crank, almost no chain restaurants except stuff like McDonald's, big boy, and dennys, clothes that look like an after picture from a paintball game, air conditioning being a luxury, people smearing crisco on themselves to get more tan, kids playing outside by themselves without parents, cities being smaller and smog everywhere, smoke stacks and leaded gas and aerosol sprays, the world wasn't all that different.
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Social media/Smart Phones probably makes the biggest difference. Kids being able to communicate and share things opens up a huge door of opportunity, both good and bad.

 
timschochet said:
Bostonfred, I don't believe that all of your statements are accurate. Cars had power windows. Porn was available by videotape, certain theaters, and adult bookstores. Stores were open on Sundays. International beer was certainly available everywhere. Most places took credit cards. Chain restaurants included Olive Garden, El Torito, and Beni Hana. And HVAC was not considered a luxury.

Of course this was true in my neck of the woods (Southern California). You may have had a different experience depending on where you live.
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Porn was difficult for a kid to get though. My only access to it was because we had a huge paper recycle bin and there were always some playboy or penthouse mags in there. Nothing like today, where anything is a click away. Also, not too many chains had made it to small town America. We had a McDonalds, a Wendy's and a Ponderosa.

 
Personally I believe the changes between 1955 and 1985 were much more significant. Starting with the cultural changes- look at the role of women, the treatment of blacks and other minorities. All of these went through incredible change mostly during the sixties. By 1985, our modern post civil rights viewpoints were already well developed.

In terms of technogy advancement, I also think the changes were even more significant: most households in 1955 did not have a washer or dryer, a freezer, or a dishwasher. The lack of these items meant that housework took an average of 8-10 hours a day, which forced the woman to stay home. To me, that's muxh more of a profound difference than the lack of an Internet or iPhones.

 
timschochet said:
Bostonfred, I don't believe that all of your statements are accurate. Cars had power windows. Porn was available by videotape, certain theaters, and adult bookstores. Stores were open on Sundays. International beer was certainly available everywhere. Most places took credit cards. Chain restaurants included Olive Garden, El Torito, and Beni Hana. And HVAC was not considered a luxury.

Of course this was true in my neck of the woods (Southern California). You may have had a different experience depending on where you live.
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Totally different experiences on some of these things and I think you're taking me too literally on others. I was just reminiscing not looking for an argument on whether some cars had power windows yet or how important the civil rights movement was.
 
No argument intended. It just strikes me how little we've changed as s society in the last 30 years as versus the previous 30 years. Most of the changes between 1985 and 2015 seem rather superficial to me, as opposed to the very dramatic ones that we had in the previous era.

 
timschochet said:
No argument intended. It just strikes me how little we've changed as s society in the last 30 years as versus the previous 30 years. Most of the changes between 1985 and 2015 seem rather superficial to me, as opposed to the very dramatic ones that we had in the previous era.
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If you are gay or smoke pot the differences seem pretty significant.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
timschochet said:
No argument intended. It just strikes me how little we've changed as s society in the last 30 years as versus the previous 30 years. Most of the changes between 1985 and 2015 seem rather superficial to me, as opposed to the very dramatic ones that we had in the previous era.
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If you are gay or smoke pot the differences seem pretty significant.
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I'm not sure of this either. In both cases there are inportant changes, yes, but not as significant as the previous 30. Consider gays for instance: by 1985 there were open gay communities, gay rights parades, gay characters in film, and there was already an argument in society over how to regard homosexuality. None of that even remotely existed in 1955. Smoking pot became almost a norm for youths in the late 1960s; before that it was considered a highly dangerous taboo (see Reefer Madness". By 1985 I would argue that most of our current perceptions regarding marijuana were already well developed.
 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
timschochet said:
No argument intended. It just strikes me how little we've changed as s society in the last 30 years as versus the previous 30 years. Most of the changes between 1985 and 2015 seem rather superficial to me, as opposed to the very dramatic ones that we had in the previous era.
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If you are gay or smoke pot the differences seem pretty significant.
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Depending on what state you're in.

 
"If a teenager traveled back to 1985 from today, would he be just as shocked and surprised?"

The answer to this question, just based on the internet and smartphones, would be a resounding yes.

 
So for some reason Frosty liked a post of mine from 2011 in the Great Novel Draft. I went back and read much of that thread.

Wanted to let you know that I finally finished Ulysses last year. I purposely did not use a guide, though after reading each episode I went online to read the Sparknotes for it. It was largely a painful and confusing experience. I'm glad I read it, but I'm not sure I could recommend it. I will say the final episode, Penelope, was amazing. I was awestruck throughout. And while I get that it wouldn't have the same effect if it didn't follow the other 17 episodes, I can't say that it was "worth it" to get there. I think I will go back and re-read it, maybe with a guide, to see what I missed, but I had wanted the raw experience of reading it as written.

I still think it was the right pick for first overall in that draft. :2cents:

 
timschochet said:
Personally I believe the changes between 1955 and 1985 were much more significant. Starting with the cultural changes- look at the role of women, the treatment of blacks and other minorities.
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The role of women in society changed much more from 1985 to today than it did from 1955 to 1985. In the 1980s (and 1990s), where the height of the so-called "mommy wars."

 
timschochet said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
timschochet said:
No argument intended. It just strikes me how little we've changed as s society in the last 30 years as versus the previous 30 years. Most of the changes between 1985 and 2015 seem rather superficial to me, as opposed to the very dramatic ones that we had in the previous era.
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If you are gay or smoke pot the differences seem pretty significant.
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I'm not sure of this either. In both cases there are inportant changes, yes, but not as significant as the previous 30. Consider gays for instance: by 1985 there were open gay communities, gay rights parades, gay characters in film, and there was already an argument in society over how to regard homosexuality. None of that even remotely existed in 1955. Smoking pot became almost a norm for youths in the late 1960s; before that it was considered a highly dangerous taboo (see Reefer Madness". By 1985 I would argue that most of our current perceptions regarding marijuana were already well developed.
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This post comes across as arguing for the sake of arguing. From 1955 to 1985, gay rights advanced by about an inch compared to the 1985-2014.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
timschochet said:
Personally I believe the changes between 1955 and 1985 were much more significant. Starting with the cultural changes- look at the role of women, the treatment of blacks and other minorities.
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The role of women in society changed much more from 1985 to today than it did from 1955 to 1985. In the 1980s (and 1990s), where the height of the so-called "mommy wars."
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cant agree with this at all. As I pointed out before, the washer, dryer, and dish washer in the home- that's what freed up women and allowed them into the workplace. Then there was the pill followed shortly by the right to have abortions. The women of 1985 were pretty much just as "liberated" as the women of today.
 
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