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Short Corner said:
TobiasFunke said:
Gr00vus said:
So it's complain about the refs time in here again? How blasé.
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Horford traveled.

:rant:
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That jump step is never called.
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If I was actually upset about it I would've whined about it hours ago.

Korver also fouled Pierce on the turnover that led to the bucket that put the Hawks up 80-78 with 30 second left. Hey, these things happen on the road. It evens out over the course of a game- certainly over the course of a series. At one point early when Atlanta was looking to blow it open Teague got Wall to bite on a fake and drew a foul behind the arc and it wasn't called- cost Atlanta 2-3 points and a chance to run the lead to double digits I think.

 
Moving on to the other subject of the day ...

Why do people only care about "tanking" in the NBA? Teams do it in other sports all the time. In MLB it's so common for non-contenders to trade away major league talent for prospects and then play whatever scrubs are left in August and September that fans of the non-contenders get made when their teams don't do it. In the NFL there's less of it because there's only 16 games and everyone is usually in it until after the trading deadline, but you still see teams making roster decisions that hurt their chances of winning, like sitting a veteran starting QB to "see what they've got" in the backup. And they don't even bother with a lottery- if you lose enough you can assure yourself the #1 spot. I don't know that much about the NHL but I know I've seen the Caps make deals similar to the ones made in MLB where someone deals rostered talent for prospects.

Is it because people think it should be easy to field talent in a sport with only 5 players on the floor? Is it because they wrongly think that the players and coaches are trying to lose too? I don't get it.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Moving on to the other subject of the day ...

Why do people only care about "tanking" in the NBA? Teams do it in other sports all the time. In MLB it's so common for non-contenders to trade away major league talent for prospects and then play whatever scrubs are left in August and September that fans of the non-contenders get made when their teams don't do it. In the NFL there's less of it because there's only 16 games and everyone is usually in it until after the trading deadline, but you still see teams making roster decisions that hurt their chances of winning, like sitting a veteran starting QB to "see what they've got" in the backup. And they don't even bother with a lottery- if you lose enough you can assure yourself the #1 spot. I don't know that much about the NHL but I know I've seen the Caps make deals similar to the ones made in MLB where someone deals rostered talent for prospects.

Is it because people think it should be easy to field talent in a sport with only 5 players on the floor? Is it because they wrongly think that the players and coaches are trying to lose too? I don't get it.
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I haven't seen teams tank before the season even starts in other sports to the extent it's happened in the NBA. Sure in baseball you get teams that start the year knowing they probably don't have a shot at the post season, but they still start out trying to win and with the variability of baseball draft picks being what it is you don't see many angling for the top pick before the season even starts. Sure, teams wash out and eventually attempt fire sales, but that's at least mid way through the season or later.

 
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Weeber said:
DrJ is pretty butt hurt. MJ has never had the stat line lebron had in game 5 in his play off career.
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Probably the best game of Lebron's playoff career. Problem isn't that Lebron isn't capable of putting up great games like this. It's that he is capable of it and yet he defers far too often and disappears for quarters, halfs at a time. If Lebron would play like he has this series all of the time, putting the team on his back, it would be a conversation worth having. By dominating the way he has, he's opened up the game for other people the way Jordan did. But far too often he just disappears, something Jordan virtually never did.

 
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I personally don't think it's such a big deal. Not everyone can be a contender.

Players and coaches don't purposely lose games. They have nothing to gain. It would look bad on their resume and game tape.

Owners and GMs decide the path of the franchise. That's why I don't expect any huge changes.

All this talk about tanking is a result of the media stirring up trouble for stories. In turn the NBA has been "looking" into "fixes" for the lottery. Nothing to see here.

 
ArbyMelt said:
TobiasFunke said:
Gr00vus said:
So it's complain about the refs time in here again? How blasé.
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Horford traveled.

:rant:
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He sure did, but they never call that. Wiz need to be upset with how soft Nene was on that play.
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Here's a pretty compelling argument that it was actually Pierce's fault. He lost Millsap trying to get a steal, forcing Nene to shade away from Horford and get a body on the biggest threat for a rebound and putback, which was Millsap. Put yourself in Nene's shoes in the image at 5.6; where do you go? He made a decent and probably correct choice in the moment, Horford just made an awesome play (travel aside).

 
TobiasFunke said:
Moving on to the other subject of the day ...

Why do people only care about "tanking" in the NBA? Teams do it in other sports all the time. In MLB it's so common for non-contenders to trade away major league talent for prospects and then play whatever scrubs are left in August and September that fans of the non-contenders get made when their teams don't do it. In the NFL there's less of it because there's only 16 games and everyone is usually in it until after the trading deadline, but you still see teams making roster decisions that hurt their chances of winning, like sitting a veteran starting QB to "see what they've got" in the backup. And they don't even bother with a lottery- if you lose enough you can assure yourself the #1 spot. I don't know that much about the NHL but I know I've seen the Caps make deals similar to the ones made in MLB where someone deals rostered talent for prospects.

Is it because people think it should be easy to field talent in a sport with only 5 players on the floor? Is it because they wrongly think that the players and coaches are trying to lose too? I don't get it.
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I think it's because of the enormous potential impact of one player in the NBA.

MLB No. 1 picks sometimes never even reach the big leagues. Even the best NHL players spend less than half the game on the ice. The NFL has really big rosters - granted, a QB can have a huge impact, but there's a lot of risk with those.

But in the NBA, so often the top pick is a no-brainer, franchise-changing player without much risk of busting, especially with the 1-and-done rule so teams get a full year to observe these guys playing at the college level.

 
Gr00vus said:
TobiasFunke said:
Moving on to the other subject of the day ...

Why do people only care about "tanking" in the NBA? Teams do it in other sports all the time. In MLB it's so common for non-contenders to trade away major league talent for prospects and then play whatever scrubs are left in August and September that fans of the non-contenders get made when their teams don't do it. In the NFL there's less of it because there's only 16 games and everyone is usually in it until after the trading deadline, but you still see teams making roster decisions that hurt their chances of winning, like sitting a veteran starting QB to "see what they've got" in the backup. And they don't even bother with a lottery- if you lose enough you can assure yourself the #1 spot. I don't know that much about the NHL but I know I've seen the Caps make deals similar to the ones made in MLB where someone deals rostered talent for prospects.

Is it because people think it should be easy to field talent in a sport with only 5 players on the floor? Is it because they wrongly think that the players and coaches are trying to lose too? I don't get it.
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I haven't seen teams tank before the season even starts in other sports to the extent it's happened in the NBA. Sure in baseball you get teams that start the year knowing they probably don't have a shot at the post season, but they still start out trying to win and with the variability of baseball draft picks being what it is you don't see many angling for the top pick before the season even starts. Sure, teams wash out and eventually attempt fire sales, but that's at least mid way through the season or later.
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Maybe that's it.. Still seems kind of arbitrary though. Baseball teams make offseason personnel moves based on the fact that they don't think they'll win in the upcoming season just like basketball teams do. I assume NHL teams do too? Football not as much, but that's just because there's so much variance and unpredictability.

 
The Cubs basically did the same thing that the Sixers are doing now, albeit maybe not as extreme.

Let's also not forget that Stern fined the Spurs and Pop in 2014 for sitting players, effectively tanking individual games. That seemed to work out fine.

 
Spartans Rule said:
TobiasFunke said:
Moving on to the other subject of the day ...

Why do people only care about "tanking" in the NBA? Teams do it in other sports all the time. In MLB it's so common for non-contenders to trade away major league talent for prospects and then play whatever scrubs are left in August and September that fans of the non-contenders get made when their teams don't do it. In the NFL there's less of it because there's only 16 games and everyone is usually in it until after the trading deadline, but you still see teams making roster decisions that hurt their chances of winning, like sitting a veteran starting QB to "see what they've got" in the backup. And they don't even bother with a lottery- if you lose enough you can assure yourself the #1 spot. I don't know that much about the NHL but I know I've seen the Caps make deals similar to the ones made in MLB where someone deals rostered talent for prospects.

Is it because people think it should be easy to field talent in a sport with only 5 players on the floor? Is it because they wrongly think that the players and coaches are trying to lose too? I don't get it.
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I think it's because of the enormous potential impact of one player in the NBA.

MLB No. 1 picks sometimes never even reach the big leagues. Even the best NHL players spend less than half the game on the ice. The NFL has really big rosters - granted, a QB can have a huge impact, but there's a lot of risk with those.

But in the NBA, so often the top pick is a no-brainer, franchise-changing player without much risk of busting, especially with the 1-and-done rule so teams get a full year to observe these guys playing at the college level.
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I think that it is this and because it makes it the whole situation that much more obvious to people.

 
yeah but so what a number one pick can stink the bag or get hurt and never work out or just be sort of blah like kwame brown or joe smith or my god ken bentson right in the big old milwaukee or greg oden or the candy man or maybe nervous pervis elison my point is that you have a chance your numbero uno will stink in the nba same as you do in other sports i think they should not change the draft people get to worked up about it i do not want to see relegation because everyone would just sign with warm weather or big name franchizes and guys like the bangos would be playing muni league pick up games eventually so i guess that would be cool cause maybe i could get a run in against jabrari but otherwise take that to the bank

 
So, who ya got?

LeBron and the Bronettes close it out, or the Bulls force Game 7?

I'll take the Bulls tonight and Cleveland on Sunday.

 
Jack White said:
So, who ya got?

LeBron and the Bronettes close it out, or the Bulls force Game 7?

I'll take the Bulls tonight and Cleveland on Sunday.
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you're probably right, but after those last two turds... I'm not holding my breath for a Chicago win. Just get the Eastern conference over with...

 
See...that defense, if it can be called that, by Noah on the Lebron fast break should not be rewarded. That's not good basketball. Borderline intentional foul to stop the freight train. Very frustrating.

 
ok brohans who would you rather have tt or noah they both do good things but are different players and remember to judge noah when is not hurt and right bam a quiz from the old swcer

 
SWC said:
ok brohans who would you rather have tt or noah they both do good things but are different players and remember to judge noah when is not hurt and right bam a quiz from the old swcer
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I'm partial to TT at this juncture, he's not going to turn into a 1st teamer or anything, but he seems to be blossoming. If he can get a consistent 10-15 footer, he'll be way more valuable than Noah, no?

I was wondering the other day...Noah seems like (maybe obviously) one of those guys you love if he's on your team and hate if he's the opponent....but do Bulls fans really like him? I'm talking on the hardwood, not off the court philanthropy, etc. He seems even more polarizing than Perkins for example, who is in the same realm. I just hate the way Noah plays. His next stop should be with Doc on the Clips....although they have seemed to tone it down in the postseason (maybe that's just me though).

 
Like SWC said, don't judge Noah on this series. He's playing hurt. I mean, he's shooting 30% on five-foot-and-unders.

When healthy, his defense, rebounding, passing and passion are an asset.

 
Does the Bulls brass even care at this point? They have to see this team can't win a title. Thibs not hiring an OC is the main beef between mgt and Thibs, correct?

 
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Like SWC said, don't judge Noah on this series. He's playing hurt. I mean, he's shooting 30% on five-foot-and-unders.

When healthy, his defense, rebounding, passing and passion are an asset.
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What exactly is hurt? Do we know? Doesn't seem like he's laboring out there, like Kyrie or even Rose. Layups are layups...he's been awful.

 
did you see that save by tt he just jumped flying superman style in to the crowd for that ball and i yelled at noah in the tv coach used to say that if you had half the heart of rudiger you could have made all city but as it is you just got demoted to the prep squad now get out of here and also it is good to see delavadova doing well they should really just chant rudy rudy every time that little dude gets out there except they would have to say it with an aussie accent take that to the land down under bromigos

 
i am pretty sure that dellavadova shows up to games in a fried out convey and loves vegamite brohans you heard it here first

 
tibs had that team play at about one hondo and twenty percent all year and that is sort of the problem when you are already that far out above your max how do you step it up in the playoffs just sort of makes it hard and pau and noah are just not right and really neither is rose but he probably never will be the same again which stinks cause man was he something to see when he was right bromigos

 
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