Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
Just the way Lebron was trying to line up you could tell he was going to do something weird.Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
Yep. Ref couldn't even get into the circle to throw the jump ball.Just the way Lebron was trying to line up you could tell he was going to do something weird.Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.![]()
that is why some of us in the know have started calling him delly the tornado from down under the rock of greenbralter dova you have my permission to use it if you want because i like to spread the love take that to the bank bromigoI still have the Cavs in 6. LeBron willl not lose to Curry.
I loved the play where Delly was guarding Green in the post and Green tried to back him down further and couldn't move him.
Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
I was the first one in here calling out the travel....but that is no reason to not call the hack. Very few that I remember were saying it's a wash or since they didn't call one it was OK not to call the other.Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet. Zach Lowe is occasionally wrong, like here.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
Lowe and the NBA are wrong. TGunz is right.Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet. Zach Lowe is occasionally wrong, like here.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
I agree that LeBron didn't get the superstar whistles down the stretch.![]()
He knows stuff.Lowe and the NBA are wrong. TGunz is right.Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet. Zach Lowe is occasionally wrong, like here.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
I agree that LeBron didn't get the superstar whistles down the stretch.![]()
Makes sense.
I agree. I was just responding to the "and" that was used.They don't ALL have to shoot better.It more likely that one of the best shooters in the game will shoot better again than 4 streaky shooters to all shoot better.Sure Curry will probably shoot better, but what if Shump, JR Smith, Jones and Dellavedova start shooting better from 3 as well? They are around 30% from three so far in the series.
Lowe and TGunz disagree on a lot less than Tobias implied in his post. That's not Gunz's fault; that's on Tobias for mischaracterizing Gunz.Lowe and the NBA are wrong. TGunz is right.Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet. Zach Lowe is occasionally wrong, like here.I agree that LeBron didn't get the superstar whistles down the stretch.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (Thats not a shot at Iguodala. Its just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBrons chest, slow LeBrons momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials werent going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBrons hands a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.![]()
Makes sense.
LeBron jumps into Green - it's clear if you watch the replay. Green lands ackwardly falling back a step, and LeBron lands in the paint, across the FT line.Lowe and the NBA are wrong. TGunz is right.Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet. Zach Lowe is occasionally wrong, like here.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
I agree that LeBron didn't get the superstar whistles down the stretch.![]()
Makes sense.
Which is weird because his writing is kinda hacky at times. Dude KNOWS hoops, no question, but the way he conveys his thoughts is awkward to read at times.Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.
I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
Can't speak for everyone else of course, but I think the entire idea of superstar calls is mostly a product of fan bias. Superstars have the ball in their hands a lot more, and the ability that made them superstars allows them to beat players to spots on the floor and to force defenders into mistakes. Of course they're going to draw more fouls. Also, every time they get the benefit of a dubious call everyone immediately thinks its because they're superstars, but everyone benefits from dubious calls from time to time. If Kobe goes to the line and the replay shows he wasn't touched everyone thinks "superstar call!" and remembers it. If Wesley Johnson goes to the line and the replay shows he wasn't touched everyone forgets about it two minutes later. It's a simple case of confirmation bias.So do you want superstar whistles or not? I can never tell with this group. I do know that Lebron wants superstar whistles. He's the most difficult player to officiate since Shaq and more annoying about it than all the Spurs and Clippers combined (well, maybe not Paul). I don't think the game is better with the superstar calls, but I'm sure the league would like the series to go as long as possible and will take the negative attention and turn it into a positive. It's the same as day one with this garbage. You just have to decide if you're willing to watch it.
Typically I'm such a big fan of Lowe that this would offend me on his behalf, but I thought his Love column today was really susceptible to this criticism. He took great pains to show he was a Love apologist, even sort of whitewashing the fact that a lot of observers thought Love was highly overrated in Minny, but also throws some serious shade at him by calling his defense shameful and saying the onus is on Love to show he's not an empty stats loser. Sometimes he just does these stream of consciousness articles that lack a strong point or thesis.Which is weird because his writing is kinda hacky at times. Dude KNOWS hoops, no question, but the way he conveys his thoughts is awkward to read at times.Zach Lowe is one of the best NBA writers on the planet.Zach Lowe:Everyone agrees Iggy hammered LeBron on the shot attempt where there was no call. The NBA also deemed the travel proceeding that hack an incorrect non-call, essentially stating exactly what most of us were saying.I've watched the jump ball probably 20 times. NBA got it 100% wrong - LeBron clearly jumps into Green.NBA deems Iggy non-call and Green non-call as incorrectly not-called.
But then again, maybe they just want to see what they want to see.![]()
I'm comfortable on the same side as Lowe in the "did LeBron get screwed out a bunch of calls late?" argument. It's cool though, I'm sure Skip Bayless is on your side, so that evens out.The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (Thats not a shot at Iguodala. Its just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBrons chest, slow LeBrons momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials werent going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.
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Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBrons hands a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.
I'm sure there's a lot of truth to what you wrote, and it's not the first time I've heard it, but it's not nothing. I suppose if you choose to believe 100% in that line of thinking it helps watch the product and keep it entertainment.Can't speak for everyone else of course, but I think the entire idea of superstar calls is mostly a product of fan bias. Superstars have the ball in their hands a lot more, and the ability that made them superstars allows them to beat players to spots on the floor and to force defenders into mistakes. Of course they're going to draw more fouls. Also, every time they get the benefit of a dubious call everyone immediately thinks its because they're superstars, but everyone benefits from dubious calls from time to time. If Kobe goes to the line and the replay shows he wasn't touched everyone thinks "superstar call!" and remembers it. If Wesley Johnson goes to the line and the replay shows he wasn't touched everyone forgets about it two minutes later. It's a simple case of confirmation bias.So do you want superstar whistles or not? I can never tell with this group. I do know that Lebron wants superstar whistles. He's the most difficult player to officiate since Shaq and more annoying about it than all the Spurs and Clippers combined (well, maybe not Paul). I don't think the game is better with the superstar calls, but I'm sure the league would like the series to go as long as possible and will take the negative attention and turn it into a positive. It's the same as day one with this garbage. You just have to decide if you're willing to watch it.
Maybe they get a call every game or two that a journeyman might not get, but it's nothing more than that I think.
This is true, he also initiates a lot of contact himself which makes it even tougher to call. There have been numerous plays the last two games I've noticed him leading with/throwing his forearm/elbow and making some pretty serious contact to peoples' chests/heads that aren't being called as offensive fouls which possibly could be. It cuts both ways.Lebron is a physical freak. He loses out on alot of commonly called fouls because of this. He'll blow through an arm rake that will send a guard to the ground. From his perspecitive, and sometimes from a fans perspective, it is very frustrating. People think he's just a big whiner, well maybe yes sometimes, but when you think about it he just wants his fair share.
He gets away with a lot of contact away from the ball, too. He's great at selling a push-off as normal movement, and will also use sleight-of-hand techniques like signaling and calling for the ball waving with one arm and yelling while pushing off with the other.This is true, he also initiates a lot of contact himself which makes it even tougher to call. There have been numerous plays the last two games I've noticed him leading with/throwing his forearm/elbow and making some pretty serious contact to peoples' chests/heads that aren't being called as offensive fouls which possibly could be. It cuts both ways.Lebron is a physical freak. He loses out on alot of commonly called fouls because of this. He'll blow through an arm rake that will send a guard to the ground. From his perspecitive, and sometimes from a fans perspective, it is very frustrating. People think he's just a big whiner, well maybe yes sometimes, but when you think about it he just wants his fair share.
Very true as well. The best players are all good at getting away with things like that and push offs to get open, etc. I get it, there can be a foul on every possession of every game basically. Funny game when you think of it like that.This is true, he also initiates a lot of contact himself which makes it even tougher to call. There have been numerous plays the last two games I've noticed him leading with/throwing his forearm/elbow and making some pretty serious contact to peoples' chests/heads that aren't being called as offensive fouls which possibly could be. It cuts both ways.Lebron is a physical freak. He loses out on alot of commonly called fouls because of this. He'll blow through an arm rake that will send a guard to the ground. From his perspecitive, and sometimes from a fans perspective, it is very frustrating. People think he's just a big whiner, well maybe yes sometimes, but when you think about it he just wants his fair share.
Just about every time he backs his man down he pushes off with his off forearm . . . and it's never called. Oh well.Gr00vus said:This is true, he also initiates a lot of contact himself which makes it even tougher to call. There have been numerous plays the last two games I've noticed him leading with/throwing his forearm/elbow and making some pretty serious contact to peoples' chests/heads that aren't being called as offensive fouls which possibly could be. It cuts both ways.Bobcat10 said:Lebron is a physical freak. He loses out on alot of commonly called fouls because of this. He'll blow through an arm rake that will send a guard to the ground. From his perspecitive, and sometimes from a fans perspective, it is very frustrating. People think he's just a big whiner, well maybe yes sometimes, but when you think about it he just wants his fair share.
This should get anyone pumped up...No. 16 said:Can't wait for tonight's game.
I remember Colin Cowherd used to say this: if you're going to bet on a game involving your team, bet against your team.I'm rooting for the Warriors, but made a bet with my employee that the Cavs will win tonight. It's a win,win.
pre game pot stirring?TOP 5 NBA PLAYERS OF ALL TIME
according to Stephen A Smith:
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Duncan
5. LeBron
and according to Skip Bayless:
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Shaq
5. Kareem
I'm not sure who's opinion I care less about. I guess Skip Bayless but it's close.TOP 5 NBA PLAYERS OF ALL TIME
according to Stephen A Smith:
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Duncan
5. LeBron
and according to Skip Bayless:
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Shaq
5. Kareem
RidicYell at me, JackGood no-calls on the LeBron drives so far.... and then Draymond gets the call on the drive?
didn't seem like that bad of a shot to me either.He got hurt from that?