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[bigfeet_88]

Marc J. Spears: Celtics free agent forward Brandon Bass to sign with the Lakers, a source told Yahoo Sports

 

[simmonjm]

As fun as it is to laugh at the Kings, Knicks, and Lakers, the Blazers and Clippers had by far the worst offseasons in the league.

No way the Knicks had a bad offseason, This was a team devoid of talent and by some shrewd moves they now actually have a roster can make the playoffs. Even more they have actually have positioned themselves for future with only Melo and Lopez as long contracts. Lopez, Derrick Williams, Grant, Porzingis, and KOQ ill put those names up against alot of other teams offseason.

I agree the Knicks didn't really do anything embarrassingly bad this offseason. They had limited opportunities available to them, and did the best with them they could, all without getting desperate and overpaying for non-talents. Still, that isn't a playoff roster.

The embarrassing aspect of NY's offseason was the same thing that was embarrassing about LAL- couldn't get any free agents to come to the two marquee franchises in the league (or even get meetings, in NY's case).

Your setting an impossible standard for the Knicks and Lakers granted the lakers bring it on themselves with fans assured they were going to get Love, dwight would resign, Aldridge, etc. if you count the Knicks offseason as a fail because they didn't get Aldridge then guess what 29 other teams failed as well.

The Knicks are paying Phil Jackson big money because he could supposedly attract the upper level free agents. Hell, Isiah Thomas could have signed Kyle O'Quinn.

Pat Riley couldnt keep Lebron in Miami so hes a failure as well. Phil doing the best he can with what he has.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

As fun as it is to laugh at the Kings, Knicks, and Lakers, the Blazers and Clippers had by far the worst offseasons in the league.

No way the Knicks had a bad offseason, This was a team devoid of talent and by some shrewd moves they now actually have a roster can make the playoffs. Even more they have actually have positioned themselves for future with only Melo and Lopez as long contracts. Lopez, Derrick Williams, Grant, Porzingis, and KOQ ill put those names up against alot of other teams offseason.

I agree the Knicks didn't really do anything embarrassingly bad this offseason. They had limited opportunities available to them, and did the best with them they could, all without getting desperate and overpaying for non-talents. Still, that isn't a playoff roster.

The embarrassing aspect of NY's offseason was the same thing that was embarrassing about LAL- couldn't get any free agents to come to the two marquee franchises in the league (or even get meetings, in NY's case).

Your setting an impossible standard for the Knicks and Lakers granted the lakers bring it on themselves with fans assured they were going to get Love, dwight would resign, Aldridge, etc. if you count the Knicks offseason as a fail because they didn't get Aldridge then guess what 29 other teams failed as well.

The Knicks are paying Phil Jackson big money because he could supposedly attract the upper level free agents. Hell, Isiah Thomas could have signed Kyle O'Quinn.

Pat Riley couldnt keep Lebron in Miami so hes a failure as well. Phil doing the best he can with what he has.

You suck at analogies.

 

[SWC]

i am sad that i will never get to watch hibbert run up and down the court at the same time on the same teeam as that guy the indinanas drafted from texas who may be the only guy iin the nba slower than hibbert it would be great to watch indy play 3 on 5 for half the shot cluck until they got down there take that to the bank

 

[EYLive]

Clippers are staring Epke Udon at center. Nice!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

We didn't do anything embarrassingly awful!

/lakersandknicksfans

 

[Synthesizer]

Reggie Jackson re-signs with the Pistons for 5 years, $80 million. Unproven but did average 17.6 pts and 9.2 ast with 46% FG and 39% 3PT for Detroit last year.

 

[Todem]

As fun as it is to laugh at the Kings, Knicks, and Lakers, the Blazers and Clippers had by far the worst offseasons in the league.

No way the Knicks had a bad offseason, This was a team devoid of talent and by some shrewd moves they now actually have a roster can make the playoffs. Even more they have actually have positioned themselves for future with only Melo and Lopez as long contracts. Lopez, Derrick Williams, Grant, Porzingis, and KOQ ill put those names up against alot of other teams offseason.

I agree the Knicks didn't really do anything embarrassingly bad this offseason. They had limited opportunities available to them, and did the best with them they could, all without getting desperate and overpaying for non-talents. Still, that isn't a playoff roster.

The embarrassing aspect of NY's offseason was the same thing that was embarrassing about LAL- couldn't get any free agents to come to the two marquee franchises in the league (or even get meetings, in NY's case).

Your setting an impossible standard for the Knicks and Lakers granted the lakers bring it on themselves with fans assured they were going to get Love, dwight would resign, Aldridge, etc. if you count the Knicks offseason as a fail because they didn't get Aldridge then guess what 29 other teams failed as well.

The Knicks are paying Phil Jackson big money because he could supposedly attract the upper level free agents. Hell, Isiah Thomas could have signed Kyle O'Quinn.

Pat Riley couldnt keep Lebron in Miami so hes a failure as well. Phil doing the best he can with what he has.

LMFAO. 4 straight Finals and 2 titles....yeah a real failure.

 

[simmonjm]

I

As fun as it is to laugh at the Kings, Knicks, and Lakers, the Blazers and Clippers had by far the worst offseasons in the league.

No way the Knicks had a bad offseason, This was a team devoid of talent and by some shrewd moves they now actually have a roster can make the playoffs. Even more they have actually have positioned themselves for future with only Melo and Lopez as long contracts. Lopez, Derrick Williams, Grant, Porzingis, and KOQ ill put those names up against alot of other teams offseason.

I agree the Knicks didn't really do anything embarrassingly bad this offseason. They had limited opportunities available to them, and did the best with them they could, all without getting desperate and overpaying for non-talents. Still, that isn't a playoff roster.

The embarrassing aspect of NY's offseason was the same thing that was embarrassing about LAL- couldn't get any free agents to come to the two marquee franchises in the league (or even get meetings, in NY's case).

Your setting an impossible standard for the Knicks and Lakers granted the lakers bring it on themselves with fans assured they were going to get Love, dwight would resign, Aldridge, etc. if you count the Knicks offseason as a fail because they didn't get Aldridge then guess what 29 other teams failed as well.

The Knicks are paying Phil Jackson big money because he could supposedly attract the upper level free agents. Hell, Isiah Thomas could have signed Kyle O'Quinn.

Pat Riley couldnt keep Lebron in Miami so hes a failure as well. Phil doing the best he can with what he has.

LMFAO. 4 straight Finals and 2 titles....yeah a real failure.

Relax I was being facetious.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Reggie Jackson re-signs with the Pistons for 5 years, $80 million. Unproven but did average 17.6 pts and 9.2 ast with 46% FG and 39% 3PT for Detroit last year.

I can live with that. Getting Jackson tied down for 5 years is a good thing IMO. It looks like a lot of money now, but with the cap jump it may not in a few years. And it's not like the Pistons had a ton of other options for spending money.

 

[Britney Spears]

Isn't this likely kobes last year? If so, with him and Hibbert off the books, they are going to have a dump truck of free cash. Another horrible year isn't going to give any FAs the confidence that this team is heading in the right direction. And it might hinder the development of the 2 good young players they have. They don't need another low lottery pick.

Lets say Kobe miraculously stays healthy for the better part of the year. Does he retire? If he doesn't, what do the Lakers do?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Isn't this likely kobes last year? If so, with him and Hibbert off the books, they are going to have a dump truck of free cash. Another horrible year isn't going to give any FAs the confidence that this team is heading in the right direction. And it might hinder the development of the 2 good young players they have. They don't need another low lottery pick.

Lets say Kobe miraculously stays healthy for the better part of the year. Does he retire? If he doesn't, what do the Lakers do?

Let's not think about that scenario.

 

[Capella]

50 mil a year IMO

 

[ghostguy123]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

 

[ghostguy123]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

This is the part I don't like.

Plus with Bron, Love, and Irving I would prefer a player more suited for the role player spot, sort of like Shumpert who can play really good D and hit open shots.

To me it just doesnt seem like that great of a fit. If he was much cheaper sure, but it seems like that contract would inhibit their ability to sign someone who would help more.

I like Joe Johnson, always have, but have never thought he was a top dollar kinda guy anyway, plus like I said, I don't like the fit-per-dollar aspect.

Can they really afford damn near 5 max contract deals with Bron, Love, Kyrie, Thompson, and Johnson? Seems crazy

 

[Juxtatarot]

Cory Joseph signs for 4/$30 with the Raptors. Good signing.

 

[NutterButter]

Isn't this likely kobes last year? If so, with him and Hibbert off the books, they are going to have a dump truck of free cash. Another horrible year isn't going to give any FAs the confidence that this team is heading in the right direction. And it might hinder the development of the 2 good young players they have. They don't need another low lottery pick.

Lets say Kobe miraculously stays healthy for the better part of the year. Does he retire? If he doesn't, what do the Lakers do?

The Lakers will probably resign him b/c they're either too spineless, too loyal or too stupid. I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

This is the part I don't like.

Plus with Bron, Love, and Irving I would prefer a player more suited for the role player spot, sort of like Shumpert who can play really good D and hit open shots.

To me it just doesnt seem like that great of a fit. If he was much cheaper sure, but it seems like that contract would inhibit their ability to sign someone who would help more.

It does not change their ability to sign players in any way. They are so far over the cap that they can only use the mini-MLE (~$3.5mm) and vet minimums to sign outside players. They cannot even do sign and trades. They can only trade current assets (Haywood Contract, Andy, rights to S. Kaun, Joe Harris, rookies, etc..) for whatever matching salary players they can get in return. If the best they can do is Haywood+Varejao for Iso Joe then so be it. There's worse guys you could stick out there to spot up for threes and post up once in a while. I assume for relieving the Nets of the salary and repeater tax they would also get other players or draft picks or pick swaps or something in return.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

50 mil a year IMO

Worth. Every. Penny.

 

[On The Rocks]

Isn't this likely kobes last year? If so, with him and Hibbert off the books, they are going to have a dump truck of free cash. Another horrible year isn't going to give any FAs the confidence that this team is heading in the right direction. And it might hinder the development of the 2 good young players they have. They don't need another low lottery pick.

Lets say Kobe miraculously stays healthy for the better part of the year. Does he retire? If he doesn't, what do the Lakers do?

The Lakers will probably resign him b/c they're either too spineless, too loyal or too stupid. I certainly wouldn't.

I was listening to an interview with Kupchak last week, and he addressed that possibility. He said, if KB stays healthy and productive they would be excited about discussing having him back. But I think that was based on the expectation that the Lakers would land one or two of Jordan, Aldridge or Cousins. With the likelihood of no big names coming on board via FA or trade, I doubt Kobe comes back. The chances of him staying healthy for a majority of the season are unlikely, and the chances of him being a consistent all-star type producer are even less likely. He might want to, but I think his body is going to tell him otherwise.

 

[NutterButter]

Isn't this likely kobes last year? If so, with him and Hibbert off the books, they are going to have a dump truck of free cash. Another horrible year isn't going to give any FAs the confidence that this team is heading in the right direction. And it might hinder the development of the 2 good young players they have. They don't need another low lottery pick.

Lets say Kobe miraculously stays healthy for the better part of the year. Does he retire? If he doesn't, what do the Lakers do?

The Lakers will probably resign him b/c they're either too spineless, too loyal or too stupid. I certainly wouldn't.

I was listening to an interview with Kupchak last week, and he addressed that possibility. He said, if KB stays healthy and productive they would be excited about discussing having him back. But I think that was based on the expectation that the Lakers would land one or two of Jordan, Aldridge or Cousins. With the likelihood of no big names coming on board via FA or trade, I doubt Kobe comes back. The chances of him staying healthy for a majority of the season are unlikely, and the chances of him being a consistent all-star type producer are even less likely. He might want to, but I think his body is going to tell him otherwise.

The sadistic part of me wants him to stay healthy just so the Lakers are put in this situation. It makes for good theater.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

50 mil a year IMO

Worth. Every. Penny.

Love love love it.

 

[Jack White]

I'd be shocked if Kobe didn't retire after this year. He doesn't strike me as a guy who would wear a second uniform.

 

[Abraham]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

This is the part I don't like.

Plus with Bron, Love, and Irving I would prefer a player more suited for the role player spot, sort of like Shumpert who can play really good D and hit open shots.

To me it just doesnt seem like that great of a fit. If he was much cheaper sure, but it seems like that contract would inhibit their ability to sign someone who would help more.

I like Joe Johnson, always have, but have never thought he was a top dollar kinda guy anyway, plus like I said, I don't like the fit-per-dollar aspect.

Can they really afford damn near 5 max contract deals with Bron, Love, Kyrie, Thompson, and Johnson? Seems crazy

Johnson is overpaid, but he's still a good player. I saw a thing in the last year or so that (surprisingly) had him in the top-10 list from a survey of coaches around the league about players you have to gameplan to stop. Like, on the same list as guys like KD and James and Harden.

As for the fit, I think that he would be a nice player to have next to Lebron and a guy to carry some of the offensive load when Lebron and/or Kyrie are resting.

 

[NutterButter]

Considering Irving's injury history and just the way things played out last year, I'd rather have Johnson instead of another role player if things came to that again. They already have 3 bigs as well as LBJ so Varajo seems like overkill.

 

[Jack White]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

This is the part I don't like.

Plus with Bron, Love, and Irving I would prefer a player more suited for the role player spot, sort of like Shumpert who can play really good D and hit open shots.

To me it just doesnt seem like that great of a fit. If he was much cheaper sure, but it seems like that contract would inhibit their ability to sign someone who would help more.

I like Joe Johnson, always have, but have never thought he was a top dollar kinda guy anyway, plus like I said, I don't like the fit-per-dollar aspect.

Can they really afford damn near 5 max contract deals with Bron, Love, Kyrie, Thompson, and Johnson? Seems crazy

Johnson is overpaid, but he's still a good player. I saw a thing in the last year or so that (surprisingly) had him in the top-10 list from a survey of coaches around the league about players you have to gameplan to stop. Like, on the same list as guys like KD and James and Harden.

As for the fit, I think that he would be a nice player to have next to Lebron and a guy to carry some of the offensive load when Lebron and/or Kyrie are resting.

Totally agree. Can never have too much shooting.

If the Cavs add Johnson -- and Love and Kyrie are healthy in June -- they would be favored to win the title.

Speaking of favorites, am I alone in believing the Warriors are the team to beat in the West, even after the Spurs signed Aldridge?

 

[Capella]

Cabs are the current betting favorite at the moment anyhow.

Irving

Johnson

Mozgov/Thompson

Love

Lebron

Would probably be the best starting 5 I've ever seen.

 

[Abraham]

If the Cavs add Johnson -- and Love and Kyrie are healthy in June -- they would be favored to win the title.

This season is going to be awesome, mostly because of what you said above. I think if the Spurs are healthy then they would be favored to win the title. And that ignores the fact that the team that actually won the title is still going to be involved as will the Bulls, Rockets, Clippers, Mavs, Grizz. All those teams are a step below the top-3 but strange things can happen on the way to May/June.

 

[Abraham]

Cabs are the current betting favorite at the moment anyhow.

Irving

Johnson

Mozgov/Thompson

Love

Lebron

Would probably be the best starting 5 I've ever seen.

Bird

McHale

Parrish

Johnson

Ainge

That's a pretty ####### good lineup.

 

[Sammy3469]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

This is the part I don't like.

Plus with Bron, Love, and Irving I would prefer a player more suited for the role player spot, sort of like Shumpert who can play really good D and hit open shots.

To me it just doesnt seem like that great of a fit. If he was much cheaper sure, but it seems like that contract would inhibit their ability to sign someone who would help more.

I like Joe Johnson, always have, but have never thought he was a top dollar kinda guy anyway, plus like I said, I don't like the fit-per-dollar aspect.

Can they really afford damn near 5 max contract deals with Bron, Love, Kyrie, Thompson, and Johnson? Seems crazy

Johnson is overpaid, but he's still a good player. I saw a thing in the last year or so that (surprisingly) had him in the top-10 list from a survey of coaches around the league about players you have to gameplan to stop. Like, on the same list as guys like KD and James and Harden.

As for the fit, I think that he would be a nice player to have next to Lebron and a guy to carry some of the offensive load when Lebron and/or Kyrie are resting.

Totally agree. Can never have too much shooting.

If the Cavs add Johnson -- and Love and Kyrie are healthy in June -- they would be favored to win the title.

Speaking of favorites, am I alone in believing the Warriors are the team to beat in the West, even after the Spurs signed Aldridge?

You're probably not the only one, but the Spurs are going to present some nasty matchup problems for them since their 2 bigs can actually score if they decide to go small. Leonard and Green also guard so well on the perimeter that it somewhat negates GS 3-point shooting ability (more talking Klay than Curry).

It would be an interesting series, I just think the Spurs have an extra counterpunch to GS that the Cavs didn't have.

Healthy Cavs even without another assets for Hayward's contract are probably better than both of them anyway especially since they probably have an easier road to the finals (not easy since 2-5 should be better in the East, but easier).

 

[NutterButter]

Using Aldridge and Parker in a pick and pop with Duncan on the block and Green and Leonard spotting up for 3's is going to be hard to stop.

 

[Capella]

Cabs are the current betting favorite at the moment anyhow.

Irving

Johnson

Mozgov/Thompson

Love

Lebron

Would probably be the best starting 5 I've ever seen.

Bird

McHale

Parrish

Johnson

Ainge

That's a pretty ####### good lineup.

I never saw that.

 

[Kev4029]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

Yes

 

[Abraham]

Cabs are the current betting favorite at the moment anyhow.

Irving

Johnson

Mozgov/Thompson

Love

Lebron

Would probably be the best starting 5 I've ever seen.

Bird

McHale

Parrish

Johnson

Ainge

That's a pretty ####### good lineup.

I never saw that.

Really? Interesting.

86 was a rough year for Houston sports fans. Watching those Celtics beat The Twin Towers so easily was heartbreaking to my 8 year old self.

 

[NutterButter]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

 

[Sammy3469]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

I also think it's mitigated some since Green and Leonard can guard the perimeter so well. They do want Manu back as well, so I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a de facto 15-20 minute backup PG or if the go with Diaw with LMA, Duncan, Green, and Leonard and start the offense through him.

 

[Kev4029]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

With Parker not only is his health a concern, but he was very average last year and they lost Cory Joseph to a massive overpay from the Raptors. Tony Parker was basically Jeremy Lin last year.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

With Parker not only is his health a concern, but he was very average last year and they lost Cory Joseph to a massive overpay from the Raptors. Tony Parker was basically Jeremy Lin last year.

Overpay this year. Right in line with backup PG money in the next couple years.

Don't like the signing though regardless of money...

 

[NutterButter]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

With Parker not only is his health a concern, but he was very average last year and they lost Cory Joseph to a massive overpay from the Raptors. Tony Parker was basically Jeremy Lin last year.

His numbers were down, but they asked him to do less b/c more of the offense ran through Leonard as you'd expect. He shot almost 50% from the field and 42% from 3. I'd certainly take that. He'll be asked to do even less next year now that LA is there.

 

[Joe T]

Pretty sure the lakers are a 4 or 5 seed in the west this year.

 

[Instinctive]

Pretty sure the lakers are a 4 or 5 seed in the west this year.

Did they finally implement Simmons' Entertaining As Hell Tournament??? I would be so excited. That seems like it would be in line with their performance too.

 

[Kev4029]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

I also think it's mitigated some since Green and Leonard can guard the perimeter so well. They do want Manu back as well, so I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a de facto 15-20 minute backup PG or if the go with Diaw with LMA, Duncan, Green, and Leonard and start the offense through him.

Ginobili and Diaw also looked very pedestrian last year as well. The supporting cast just won't be as good as previous years. I'm sure Pop will coach em up and they'll find some nice players on the cheap somehow, but the old guys are all starting to fall off a cliff, other than Duncan.

 

[Todem]

Cabs are the current betting favorite at the moment anyhow.

Irving

Johnson

Mozgov/Thompson

Love

Lebron

Would probably be the best starting 5 I've ever seen.

Bird

McHale

Parrish

Johnson

Ainge

That's a pretty ####### good lineup.

You could also throw in

Magic

Cooper/Scott

Worthy

AC Green/Rambis/Whomever you want

Kareem

Those 4 alone (Magic, Cooper, Worthy and Kareem) made my toes tingle as a kid. What a team in the 80's

Paxson/BJ

Jordan

Pippen

Grant

Cartwright

Pretty damn good too.

 

[Sammy3469]

Am I wrong to like what the Kings did this o

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

I also think it's mitigated some since Green and Leonard can guard the perimeter so well. They do want Manu back as well, so I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a de facto 15-20 minute backup PG or if the go with Diaw with LMA, Duncan, Green, and Leonard and start the offense through him.

Ginobili and Diaw also looked very pedestrian last year as well. The supporting cast just won't be as good as previous years. I'm sure Pop will coach em up and they'll find some nice players on the cheap somehow, but the old guys are all starting to fall off a cliff, other than Duncan.

Call me crazy, but I'm sure they'll gladly roll with 3 top 20 players...that'll take a lot of stress off what the old guys.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Cavs trading for Joe Johnson seems like it would be a bad move for them. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Johnson's still a decent player, and the Cavs would only be giving up Haywood and Varejao.

From a financial standpoint, Johnson's contract is awful but its in its last year. Varejao has 2 years left, so the Cavs would be shedding his 9.3M salary for 2016-17.

Basically it comes down to whether Cleveland can get anything better for Haywood's voidable deal.

This is the part I don't like.

Plus with Bron, Love, and Irving I would prefer a player more suited for the role player spot, sort of like Shumpert who can play really good D and hit open shots.

To me it just doesnt seem like that great of a fit. If he was much cheaper sure, but it seems like that contract would inhibit their ability to sign someone who would help more.

It does not change their ability to sign players in any way. They are so far over the cap that they can only use the mini-MLE (~$3.5mm) and vet minimums to sign outside players. They cannot even do sign and trades. They can only trade current assets (Haywood Contract, Andy, rights to S. Kaun, Joe Harris, rookies, etc..) for whatever matching salary players they can get in return. If the best they can do is Haywood+Varejao for Iso Joe then so be it. There's worse guys you could stick out there to spot up for threes and post up once in a while. I assume for relieving the Nets of the salary and repeater tax they would also get other players or draft picks or pick swaps or something in return.

This. Would be a great move for the Cavs imo. You lose nothing and you gain a former stud that would just have to be a nice role player for you on this squad.

 

[Sammy3469]

It feels so wrong, but I don't hate what the Kings did this offseason. A team of:

WCS/Koufos

Cousins

Gay

McLemore

Rondo

Bench:

Belinelli

Collison

Casspi

Just doesn't seem horrible.

 

[Kev4029]

Are we ignoring the fact that Tony Parker is on the steep decline and is 33 years old?

He's definitely a wildcard. Health is certainly a major concern as would the health of Irving for the Cavs or a 34 Joe Johnson if they decide to acquire him.

With Parker not only is his health a concern, but he was very average last year and they lost Cory Joseph to a massive overpay from the Raptors. Tony Parker was basically Jeremy Lin last year.

His numbers were down, but they asked him to do less b/c more of the offense ran through Leonard as you'd expect. He shot almost 50% from the field and 42% from 3. I'd certainly take that. He'll be asked to do even less next year now that LA is there.

They asked him to do less because he isn't as good. The Tony Parker from a couple years ago wouldn't be asked to take a back seat to anybody else that is on the roster. I hardly think his 3PT% is impressive when you consider he took 89 threes on the season and his percentage was 10% higher than his career average.

I also think Aldridge has become amazingly overrated. He is a very high usage player with middling success. He doesn't pass often or particularly well and he is only a good, not great rebounder. He's a poor man's Melo who pays attention on defense.

 

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It feels so wrong, but I don't hate what the Kings did this offseason. A team of:

WCS/Koufos

Cousins

Gay

McLemore

Rondo

Bench:

Belinelli

Collison

Casspi

Just doesn't seem horrible.

No, but still not a playoff team in the West.