timschochet's thread - Ranking hemorrhoids (2 Viewers)

[sports_fan]

There will never be a top-50 list again so I don't know why we are discussing it. Top-75 is a possibility in a few years.

Why not?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

 

[Capella]

There will never be a top-50 list again so I don't know why we are discussing it. Top-75 is a possibility in a few years.

Why not?

Because that was for the NBA's 50th year.

 

[Abraham]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

 

[thecatch]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

Paul Pierce wasn't exactly dragging terrible teams to the finals in the pre-Allen/KG/Rondo era either.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

you mean an all-star in the year that he played with them? if so, may be correct, but either way the point stands.

edit: Mutombo was an all-star in 00 and 01.

 

[Freelove]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?

My guess is no.

 

[sports_fan]

There will never be a top-50 list again so I don't know why we are discussing it. Top-75 is a possibility in a few years.

Why not?

Because that was for the NBA's 50th year.

oh

 

[Abraham]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

 

[Freelove]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

I get where you're coming from, but that team was a defensive nightmare with Raja, Theo, and Dikembe, and had Toni Kukoc. We're not talking about the Knicks - that team's a playoff team in the modern East even without AI.

 

[Freelove]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

I feel like this line of thinking would have more traction if you could point to Paul's culpability. But he's been pretty excellent in the postseason.

 

[Abraham]

It's not that I think that is a huge thing, but it's a thing. If you made a list of the best primary ball handlers of the last 20 years, those two would be at or near the top regardless of criteria. I was just saying the idea that every GM would choose Paul was not something I agreed with.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Almost everything about the Philadelphia 76ers has been embarrassing over the past two seasons, so why shouldnt the TV ratings fall under that umbrella, too?

According to a recent Inquirer report, the Sixers averaged only 23,000 viewers during their miserable 18-win season in 2014-15. Keep in mind Philadelphia is the nations fourth-largest market with roughly 2.96 million homes featuring TV sets.

Those numbers are embarrassing, former CBS Sports president turned media consultant Neal Pilson told the Inquirers Bob Fernandez, no question about it.

23,000?

#assests

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?

My guess is no.

Disagree. Paul is much more of a diva and locker room lawyer than gets reported. He's actually a nightmare to deal with. You always knew where you stood with Iverson - there's a lot of stuff from his career that was mishandled that could be prevented on a replay. With Paul, not so much.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

I get where you're coming from, but that team was a defensive nightmare with Raja, Theo, and Dikembe, and had Toni Kukoc. We're not talking about the Knicks - that team's a playoff team in the modern East even without AI.

Which year's team are you talking about? Theo and Dikembe never played together. Kukoc and Theo were traded for Mutombo. Raja Bell was a decent player but never made an impact with the Sixers and didn't even play on the team that went to the finals. He improved later in his career.

 

[msudaisy26]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

I get where you're coming from, but that team was a defensive nightmare with Raja, Theo, and Dikembe, and had Toni Kukoc. We're not talking about the Knicks - that team's a playoff team in the modern East even without AI.

Which year's team are you talking about? Theo and Dikembe never played together. Kukoc and Theo were traded for Mutombo. Raja Bell was a decent player but never made an impact with the Sixers and didn't even play on the team that went to the finals. He improved later in his career.

Lol, Raja averaged 8 minutes a game that post season, Kukoc and Ratliff weren't on the team, if you were going to throw some random guys on the team to discredit Iverson that year you should have used Barkley and Dr. J.

 

[Britney Spears]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

I get where you're coming from, but that team was a defensive nightmare with Raja, Theo, and Dikembe, and had Toni Kukoc. We're not talking about the Knicks - that team's a playoff team in the modern East even without AI.

Which year's team are you talking about? Theo and Dikembe never played together. Kukoc and Theo were traded for Mutombo. Raja Bell was a decent player but never made an impact with the Sixers and didn't even play on the team that went to the finals. He improved later in his career.

Yeah, I think calling any of those guys stars is a stretch. Mutumbo was closest, but was pretty old at that point right?

 

[Popinski]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

 

[SWC]

when i think of the fifty best i think of guys that either transformed there position or transformed the game or who have been so good at the skills required of there position that it is not even arguable that they are not one of the greatest ever i just do not think paul gets you there is he very good yes but is he better then the big o or gary payton or cousy or west or stockton or magic of course not right or wrong all i can think of when i think of chris paul is nick van exel a good player yep but on the of the fifty greatest come on brohans

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

If I recall correctly the only all star he ever played with is theo Ratliff. So imagine how you would feel if Melo drug the Knicks to the finals. It would be like that.

I get where you're coming from, but that team was a defensive nightmare with Raja, Theo, and Dikembe, and had Toni Kukoc. We're not talking about the Knicks - that team's a playoff team in the modern East even without AI.

Which year's team are you talking about? Theo and Dikembe never played together. Kukoc and Theo were traded for Mutombo. Raja Bell was a decent player but never made an impact with the Sixers and didn't even play on the team that went to the finals. He improved later in his career.

Yeah, I think calling any of those guys stars is a stretch. Mutumbo was closest, but was pretty old at that point right?

During the 2001 season, PHI traded Ratliff and Kukoc to ATL for Mutombo, planning on a deep playoff run. Mutombo was 34 at the time, but did win DPOY and was fantastic in the playoffs. (Shaq destroyed him in the Finals, but that's what Shaq did to everyone on the planet in the early 2000s.)

It was the end of Mutombo's prime, though. He hung around as a bench player into his 40s, but 2002 was his last full season of starter minutes.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Garnett had his 2004 season with MIN where he won MVP and led the Wolves to the WCF, and probably the Finals if Sam Cassell and his backup hadn't gotten hurt.

But Kidd actually did suddenly become a winner when he went to the East. His off-court shenanigans broke up the 1990s Mavericks before they gelled, and his time in PHX was a bunch of first-round exits and questionable behavior off the court. Kidd was such damaged goods, NJN was able to get him straight-up for Stephon Marbury. Kidd got his life together after that trade and led his team to the Finals the next two seasons.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Milwaukee was very good that year.

Sixers were interesting that year. They came out on flying with a more run and gun style featuring Ratliff. Then they stopped mid-season and decided that they needed to be more of a slowdown "playoff" team in order to make a run and made the switch to Dikembe.

Obviously not the most talented team ever, but winning game 1 of the NBA finals that year was the absolute best thing I've experienced as a Sixers' fan. Sad that it is only 1 game, but it was still fantastic.

 

[Capella]

Magic traded for that guy who led UCONN to the title a few years ago.

 

[GOB]

Magic traded for that guy who led UCONN to the title a few years ago.

Jake Voskuhl?

 

[Popinski]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Garnett had his 2004 season with MIN where he won MVP and led the Wolves to the WCF, and probably the Finals if Sam Cassell and his backup hadn't gotten hurt.

2004 was their best chance, and I do wonder what happens if they were healthy. But Garnett's years in Minnesota were largely viewed as a disappointment in terms of postseason performance.

But Kidd actually did suddenly become a winner when he went to the East. His off-court shenanigans broke up the 1990s Mavericks before they gelled, and his time in PHX was a bunch of first-round exits and questionable behavior off the court. Kidd was such damaged goods, NJN was able to get him straight-up for Stephon Marbury. Kidd got his life together after that trade and led his team to the Finals the next two seasons.

Maybe it's not as often, but I think Kidd has had off court issues even after the trade to the Nets. Regardless, I consider his prime to be his later Phoenix years through his Nets years - I don't think there was an appreciable difference in his level of play between the two teams. He was just more recognized with the Nets since those teams were losing to the Lakers and Spurs in the Finals, instead of in the early rounds like when he was with Phoenix.

 

[Britney Spears]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Garnett had his 2004 season with MIN where he won MVP and led the Wolves to the WCF, and probably the Finals if Sam Cassell and his backup hadn't gotten hurt. But Kidd actually did suddenly become a winner when he went to the East. His off-court shenanigans broke up the 1990s Mavericks before they gelled, and his time in PHX was a bunch of first-round exits and questionable behavior off the court. Kidd was such damaged goods, NJN was able to get him straight-up for Stephon Marbury. Kidd got his life together after that trade and led his team to the Finals the next two seasons.

Kidd still had all that crazy stuff with his crazy wife with NJ I think. The one that always wanted to be on screen. (Allegedly) Smashed her head into a car or something.

 

[Britney Spears]

PS, 90s & 00s throwback NBA chat is good stuff.

 

[Mister CIA]

Probably mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I was just looking over the roster of the Bucks in the early 1980s. Man what a roster! If I knew more I'd probably argue they are the best team to never win a championship.

Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Junior Bridgeman, and 7-footers for days - the great Bob Lanier, Mokeski , Lister, and Bruer. Coach Don Nelson was not half-bad either.

Marques Johnson was good.

 

[Gr00vus]

Probably mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I was just looking over the roster of the Bucks in the early 1980s. Man what a roster! If I knew more I'd probably argue they are the best team to never win a championship.

Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Junior Bridgeman, and 7-footers for days - the great Bob Lanier, Mokeski , Lister, and Bruer. Coach Don Nelson was not half-bad either.

Marques Johnson was good.

Marques Johnson was my second favorite player from that period behind Jamal "Silk" Wilkes. And those Bucks were really good teams.

 

[Frostillicus]

Magic traded for that guy who led UCONN to the title a few years ago.

Kemba Walker?

 

[timschochet]

Probably mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I was just looking over the roster of the Bucks in the early 1980s. Man what a roster! If I knew more I'd probably argue they are the best team to never win a championship.

Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Junior Bridgeman, and 7-footers for days - the great Bob Lanier, Mokeski , Lister, and Bruer. Coach Don Nelson was not half-bad either.

Marques Johnson was good.

Great great team.

 

[SWC]

Probably mentioned somewhere else in this thread, but I was just looking over the roster of the Bucks in the early 1980s. Man what a roster! If I knew more I'd probably argue they are the best team to never win a championship.

Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, Junior Bridgeman, and 7-footers for days - the great Bob Lanier, Mokeski , Lister, and Bruer. Coach Don Nelson was not half-bad either.

Marques Johnson was good.

Marques Johnson was my second favorite player from that period behind Jamal "Silk" Wilkes. And those Bucks were really good teams.

yes they were do not forget bob lanier back then to and nothing beat going to see them at mecca you would park under the old park east and walk in good times and it was a big dry spell between them and the team with big dog ray and cassell that should have beat iverson and the sixers and gone to the finals but did not take that to the bank

 

[the moops]

Sacramento is such a ####show.

Dean Oliver, who was just hired last October is gone. Vlade is apparently the anti-analytics guy, and wants to replace Oliver with Peja.

Not sure which is more hilarious. The GM padding the front office with his old buddies, or the whole Cousins/Karl fiasco, or the crazy owner

 

[JMon348]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

 

[matuski]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team?

 

[the moops]

Was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team?

Yes. A few years in Milwaukee, and most likely every year in Seattle

 

[thecatch]

Sacramento is such a ####show.

Dean Oliver, who was just hired last October is gone. Vlade is apparently the anti-analytics guy, and wants to replace Oliver with Peja.

Not sure which is more hilarious. The GM padding the front office with his old buddies, or the whole Cousins/Karl fiasco, or the crazy owner

They are replacing the prior GM's analytics guy with a new analytics guy. They've offered Peja a different role.

 

[JMon348]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team?

Probably not on any of his contending teams, but I don't like that argument. Was Scottie Pippen? Kevin McHale? James Worthy?

 

[Jayrod]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Quality lists.

I think, while maybe not quite there, Durant and Curry should be on there shortly.

I'd pull Sam Jones and Paul Pierce off for Rodman and Miller. In fact, I think Rodman is easily in.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team?

With the exception of the year he was traded midseason, Ray Allen led his team in either Win Shares or PER every year from 1998 to 2007. On paper, he was the best player on his own team for about a decade.

 

[SWC]

he was pretty great and the best on the team in milwaukee and then probably seattle for a while that is for sure bromigos

 

[JMon348]

50 greatest players of all time

PG(11)

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Isiah Thomas

Bob Cousy

Steve Nash

John Stockton

Walt Frazier

Gary Payton

Jason Kidd

Chris Paul

Dennis Johnson

SG(10)

Michael Jordan

Kobe Bryant

Jerry West

Dwayne Wade

John Havileck

Sam Jones

George Gervin

Allen Iverson

Clyde Drexler

Ray Allen

SF(9)

Lebron James

Larry Bird

Elgin Baylor

Julius Erving

Scottie Pippen

Rick Barry

James Worthy

Paul Pierce

Dominique Wilkins

PF(7)

Tim Duncan

Karl Malone

Charles Barkley

Kevin Garnett

Dirk Nowitzki

Kevin McHale

Bob Petitt

C(13)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Bill Russell

Wilt Chamberlain

Shaquille O'Neal

Hakeem Olajuwon

Moses Malone

David Robinson

Willis Reed

Dave Cowens

Bill Walton

Patrick Ewing

Wes Unseld

George Mikan

First out from recent players: Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady

First out from old timers: Nate Thurmond, Dave Debusschere, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Bernard King, Robert Parish

Any glaring omissions?

Quality lists.

I think, while maybe not quite there, Durant and Curry should be on there shortly.

I'd pull Sam Jones and Paul Pierce off for Rodman and Miller. In fact, I think Rodman is easily in.

Pierce vs Miller:

Pierce has 10 All Star games to Millers 5

Pierce has 4 All NBA teams to Millers 3

Pierce averaged 2.5 more points, double his rebounds, and almost an assist more.

Add the fact that he has a title, and a Finals MVP, and I don't think it's close.

 

[SWC]

not having dennis rodman the best rebounder i can remember seeing play not named wilt in there is nuts brohan

 

[the moops]

Sacramento is such a ####show.

Dean Oliver, who was just hired last October is gone. Vlade is apparently the anti-analytics guy, and wants to replace Oliver with Peja.

Not sure which is more hilarious. The GM padding the front office with his old buddies, or the whole Cousins/Karl fiasco, or the crazy owner

They are replacing the prior GM's analytics guy with a new analytics guy. They've offered Peja a different role.

Oliver, besides being an analytics guy, was director of player personnel. isn't that the position peja is taking?

 

[thecatch]

Sacramento is such a ####show.

Dean Oliver, who was just hired last October is gone. Vlade is apparently the anti-analytics guy, and wants to replace Oliver with Peja.

Not sure which is more hilarious. The GM padding the front office with his old buddies, or the whole Cousins/Karl fiasco, or the crazy owner

They are replacing the prior GM's analytics guy with a new analytics guy. They've offered Peja a different role.

Oliver, besides being an analytics guy, was director of player personnel. isn't that the position peja is taking?

I haven't read would Peja's title would be. Oliver was head of the team's analytics staff. He didn't have any GM responsibilities. That's kind of a generic front office title. Stein reported that Divac is looking for a new guy to take over analytics specifically.

 

[Insein]

Almost everything about the Philadelphia 76ers has been embarrassing over the past two seasons, so why shouldnt the TV ratings fall under that umbrella, too?

According to a recent Inquirer report, the Sixers averaged only 23,000 viewers during their miserable 18-win season in 2014-15. Keep in mind Philadelphia is the nations fourth-largest market with roughly 2.96 million homes featuring TV sets.

Those numbers are embarrassing, former CBS Sports president turned media consultant Neal Pilson told the Inquirers Bob Fernandez, no question about it.

23,000?

We know what's happening. No need to be cruel and unusual by watching it.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team?

With the exception of the year he was traded midseason, Ray Allen led his team in either Win Shares or PER every year from 1998 to 2007. On paper, he was the best player on his own team for about a decade.

But was Ray Allen ever the best player on his own team outside of the decade that spanned his prime?

 

[Insein]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Milwaukee was very good that year.

Sixers were interesting that year. They came out on flying with a more run and gun style featuring Ratliff. Then they stopped mid-season and decided that they needed to be more of a slowdown "playoff" team in order to make a run and made the switch to Dikembe.

Obviously not the most talented team ever, but winning game 1 of the NBA finals that year was the absolute best thing I've experienced as a Sixers' fan. Sad that it is only 1 game, but it was still fantastic.

What hurt more was being up 14 in game 2 in LA only to watch the monster awaken in the second half. Going home up 2-0 would have made it a much more interesting series. Still probably would have lost in 7.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I know that organizations, not individual players, win titles. Yet I still find it bothersome that CP3 hasn't played in a conference finals.

Iverson won an MVP and led one of the worst 2-9 rosters to ever make it to an NBA Finals.

Do you think there's a GM, alive or dead, who would have drafted Iverson over Paul if both were rookies, and they had the foresight to know exactly how both guys' careers would play out?My guess is no.

Yes. they are both excellent players and while Paul is sensational in his own right, not ever making the conference finals (regardless of cast) is really a thing in my view. what other players that we are discussing have never been out of round 2?

Leading a team in the Western conference is a bit different than in the East. Iverson's Sixers took 7 games to beat Milwaukee and Toronto the one season they made the Finals.

Garnett and Kidd didn't suddenly become "winners" when they went to the East.

Milwaukee was very good that year.

Sixers were interesting that year. They came out on flying with a more run and gun style featuring Ratliff. Then they stopped mid-season and decided that they needed to be more of a slowdown "playoff" team in order to make a run and made the switch to Dikembe.

Obviously not the most talented team ever, but winning game 1 of the NBA finals that year was the absolute best thing I've experienced as a Sixers' fan. Sad that it is only 1 game, but it was still fantastic.

What hurt more was being up 14 in game 2 in LA only to watch the monster awaken in the second half. Going home up 2-0 would have made it a much more interesting series. Still probably would have lost in 7.

As I recall, in the subsequent 3 games, the Sixers were always in the games, but really they weren't. It was like LA had a continual 8-point lead, so it always felt like we were a short run away from winning, but LA just always kept them at arm's length.

 

[Capella]

But was Ray Allen the best player on his own team when he played with Lebron James?