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Titans 2018 (2 Viewers)

Antwaun plugging the middle. Notice the uptick in Dallas' defensive ranking? 

Filo and Looney are backups in Dallas

LaFleur didn't think Fowler could be ready this week but he's picked up things real quickly. He is sincerely unsure whether Fowler will play this week 

 
LaFleur has never truly been an OC. McVay called and designed plays with the Rams. 

That's a good point re JRob. Maybe an owner could too. I didn't think of it like that. I don't know how Mularkey views Vrabel since he took his job
Wasn't his job at that point. It's not like they fired mularkey so they could hire vrabel.

 
LaFleur has never truly been an OC. McVay called and designed plays with the Rams. 

That's a good point re JRob. Maybe an owner could too. I didn't think of it like that. I don't know how Mularkey views Vrabel since he took his job
From re-reading the reports about his firing, in the light of him assisting now, I'd say Strunk fired him while JRob kept the relation running.

As for Vrabel, I doubt Mularkey would blame him, he's just the guy they hired next.

 
Antwaun plugging the middle. Notice the uptick in Dallas' defensive ranking? 

Filo and Looney are backups in Dallas

LaFleur didn't think Fowler could be ready this week but he's picked up things real quickly. He is sincerely unsure whether Fowler will play this week 
Don't make me use that rant emoji again.....

 
Running Dion Lewis 19 times and then Derrick Henry only 6 was a very Mularkey smelling thing...

But I'll take the win

Defense becoming more active and that's nice

 
Running Dion Lewis 19 times and then Derrick Henry only 6 was a very Mularkey smelling thing...

But I'll take the win

Defense becoming more active and that's nice
I've said it multiple times in various places. Henry is the biggest disappointment this year. Closely followed by T Taylor. (The Titan)

 
The Titans defense has allowed an NFL-low 14 touchdowns this season (11 passing, 3 rushing).

Malcolm Butler is responsible for 7 of those touchdowns.

 
In the Mariota thread @Bri made a comment a few weeks ago that I only read now. Something about the talent ont he team and how LaFleur doesn't use it right.

Now we hear that Mularkey has been in the house for a bit, and out comes Mariota with a rock solid performance and some 3rd down magic (as well as a running game smelling a lot like Mularkey). 

Then reading the comment in the Mariota thread got me thinking about Mariota and the new offense.
Could it be that Mariota isn't comfortable/hasn't picked up the new offense  - has trouble learning it? Afterall hasn't he been with Mularkey's offense his entire career until now?

Are we doomed?

 
In the Mariota thread @Bri made a comment a few weeks ago that I only read now. Something about the talent ont he team and how LaFleur doesn't use it right.

Now we hear that Mularkey has been in the house for a bit, and out comes Mariota with a rock solid performance and some 3rd down magic (as well as a running game smelling a lot like Mularkey). 

Then reading the comment in the Mariota thread got me thinking about Mariota and the new offense.
Could it be that Mariota isn't comfortable/hasn't picked up the new offense  - has trouble learning it? Afterall hasn't he been with Mularkey's offense his entire career until now?

Are we doomed?
He's had it for half a season. No need to panic. 

 
But Vrabel won't sit him for Sims. Speaks volumes about Sims I guess
This summer, JRob told a story about trying to trade Sims and how they thought he was such a steal but when they went to trade him other teams didn't. A week later, "everybody" called to inquire but only wanted to give up a late pick. He took that as an insult and said he'll be a Titan as long as he can keep him. After a Q, he said they got their chance to get him.

He answered a Q about how the staff feels about him and said the Titans have several guys that he knows every coach would love to have because they'll give the best effort they've got, do anything, and always be hungry for more. The interviewer messed up suggesting Flu, which JRob agreed, but he only gave up Jayon Brown so we know Brown, Sims, and Flu. Interviewer should have just asked who the guys were

Vrabel has said a few times that Sims is special and they are fortunate to have four starters. 

 
The Titans defense has allowed an NFL-low 14 touchdowns this season (11 passing, 3 rushing).

Malcolm Butler is responsible for 7 of those touchdowns.
Pees discussed benching him last Thursday so it's expected to happen next game.

A CB must have an ego or be cocky or extra confident. Ya gotta imagine what it takes to think you're going to stop Julio. The Titans have to be very very careful not to crush Butler. He signed a big deal and will definitely be there next year.

He IS intrigued by the safety position and is the one always bringing up that Ryan played it in New England (and the Titans camp this summer) but he has never played it. The field is in front of him, so it's totally different and not for everyone that plays CB. That would probably be an offseason project if they wanted to.

Some have suggested he play the slot since if his guy takes off, Byard will be right there. 

What most people are missing is that his failures are also pointing out that Pees isn't hiding what he's doing with Byard so the opposing QB can go deep. We have an all pro safety and he is back playing outfielder most of the game. There's no way there should be seven deep touchdowns. Usually Byard is on the hash toward Ryan's side because Ryan is on the #1 WR. One look, one fake, one anything before the QB throws to Butler's guy and Byard can not get there in time. On one deep pass this year, a scout totally called out Pees. Byard was at the LOS as if he was blitzing and then fell off to a mid-level zone. That was elementary. He has to send Byard no matter what as he can not be expected to get back in time. Against an elite TE or a TE where the Titans feel a play is about to go to him, Byard will cover the TE still. Obviously this takes away him being deep. What most are missing in this is that opposing teams are going deep just fine against an all pro safety.

Butler is an elite talent, or super athlete. He is going to play. They will find something or sub him in. If Sims starts, don't expect 100 percent. He also has a mouth and a reputation for not shushing when he probably should. He's been relatively quiet this season and it's obvious he doesn't have his cocky swagger. If it were me, I'd have put him on a name TE earlier. All that pushing and "fighting" for the ball would probably be a good trigger to get him fired up. 

The Titans play his former team. This is both a risk and a good thing since BB probably knows how to beat Butler but Butler knows all the WR tendencies. This really isn't the week you'd normally bench Butler but instead meet with him extra and hear what he has to say about the Pats while gameplanning. I am hopeful that this game is all he needs. His former teammates can inadvertently fire him up and give him his confidence back. 

 
In the Mariota thread @Bri made a comment a few weeks ago that I only read now. Something about the talent ont he team and how LaFleur doesn't use it right.

Now we hear that Mularkey has been in the house for a bit, and out comes Mariota with a rock solid performance and some 3rd down magic (as well as a running game smelling a lot like Mularkey). 

Then reading the comment in the Mariota thread got me thinking about Mariota and the new offense.
Could it be that Mariota isn't comfortable/hasn't picked up the new offense  - has trouble learning it? Afterall hasn't he been with Mularkey's offense his entire career until now?

Are we doomed?
Mariota actually spoke a bit after the game and on Monday, how everything seems to be clicking now. Yes, I was listening saying wisely how it's too bad they didn't have an offseason and practice games in the summer but instead threw away 8 games learning this...but whatever, it's good they're getting comfy.

Mularkey has only helped with the run game. The Tennessean's publisher hasn't run an article which means he doesn't like the sources or something for an article to get past an editor but not be printed. It is on the Tennessean's youtube channel, Rexrode getting credit for breaking the story.

Without hearing it, @Biabreakable could still probably explain it better than I. It involves how the Titans used a hybrid zone blocking scheme last year, LaFleur wanted them to go full tilt into the zone and it just wasn't working with their linemen. I don't wholly understand the differences, but now they're letting their linemen do what they do best.

As far as Henry, he is still expected to be a big part but now when people say it, it feels false because on the field it appears Lewis has taken Henry's job. The pass opens up the run, the run opens up the pass....the line playing eons better than the garbage they did previously, Fowler being signed and needing time to get comfy (He was very close to playing with just three practices) ...it all does lend toward Derrick doing more. At this point, I still expect Henry to be a backup and then probably traded this offseason. Don't forget for one sec that Lewis has a tendency or propensity to get injured too. They literally can't run Lewis this much. 

The Fowler talk is of him having a role, not just a FB. Look at Titansonline articles and Wyatt's videos. He's lining up all over and expected to get carries. Wyatt does clarify that any FB probably won't get many carries. Vrabel said most NFL teams didn't use a FB correctly and that's why the league did without. He has to be a player back there and can't just be a guy meaning there has to be some threat of rush or receiving from him. I remember he has excellent hands and ran routes in the slot, that's what they mentioned in his presser, so I'm thinking in the least there will be one snap N throw and one put your head down and smash into the line run. 

Last week I told you how Vrabel loved how his presence fired up the boys and he thought there were excellent practices and even spent one of his few full contact practices. You had to see the offense hitting more against the Boys this week. Vrabel said he and JRob spoke how it was like the heart of the team returned. Don't overstate the usage of a FB, at most he probably gets 20 snaps, but he's gonna hit someone and Lewan will take note and big Henry will and...man if one FB snap gets them going then that one snap was totally worth it. I do think if Fowler is in the slot, that they could have some success running outside. I'm not certain he is in the slot to receive. The TE was not sealing anyone and adding a FB in the slot kind of lends toward getting that accomplished or maybe just because he's got some wheels he can keep up and block well on the run. IDK...we'll have to wait and see. 

 
Pees discussed benching him last Thursday so it's expected to happen next game.

A CB must have an ego or be cocky or extra confident. Ya gotta imagine what it takes to think you're going to stop Julio. The Titans have to be very very careful not to crush Butler. He signed a big deal and will definitely be there next year.

He IS intrigued by the safety position and is the one always bringing up that Ryan played it in New England (and the Titans camp this summer) but he has never played it. The field is in front of him, so it's totally different and not for everyone that plays CB. That would probably be an offseason project if they wanted to.

Some have suggested he play the slot since if his guy takes off, Byard will be right there. 

What most people are missing is that his failures are also pointing out that Pees isn't hiding what he's doing with Byard so the opposing QB can go deep. We have an all pro safety and he is back playing outfielder most of the game. There's no way there should be seven deep touchdowns. Usually Byard is on the hash toward Ryan's side because Ryan is on the #1 WR. One look, one fake, one anything before the QB throws to Butler's guy and Byard can not get there in time. On one deep pass this year, a scout totally called out Pees. Byard was at the LOS as if he was blitzing and then fell off to a mid-level zone. That was elementary. He has to send Byard no matter what as he can not be expected to get back in time. Against an elite TE or a TE where the Titans feel a play is about to go to him, Byard will cover the TE still. Obviously this takes away him being deep. What most are missing in this is that opposing teams are going deep just fine against an all pro safety.

Butler is an elite talent, or super athlete. He is going to play. They will find something or sub him in. If Sims starts, don't expect 100 percent. He also has a mouth and a reputation for not shushing when he probably should. He's been relatively quiet this season and it's obvious he doesn't have his cocky swagger. If it were me, I'd have put him on a name TE earlier. All that pushing and "fighting" for the ball would probably be a good trigger to get him fired up. 

The Titans play his former team. This is both a risk and a good thing since BB probably knows how to beat Butler but Butler knows all the WR tendencies. This really isn't the week you'd normally bench Butler but instead meet with him extra and hear what he has to say about the Pats while gameplanning. I am hopeful that this game is all he needs. His former teammates can inadvertently fire him up and give him his confidence back. 
Not Gordon. 

I had forgotten that it's been a decade since vrabel was a patriot. Time flies.

 
Mariota actually spoke a bit after the game and on Monday, how everything seems to be clicking now. Yes, I was listening saying wisely how it's too bad they didn't have an offseason and practice games in the summer but instead threw away 8 games learning this...but whatever, it's good they're getting comfy.

Mularkey has only helped with the run game. The Tennessean's publisher hasn't run an article which means he doesn't like the sources or something for an article to get past an editor but not be printed. It is on the Tennessean's youtube channel, Rexrode getting credit for breaking the story.

Without hearing it, @Biabreakable could still probably explain it better than I. It involves how the Titans used a hybrid zone blocking scheme last year, LaFleur wanted them to go full tilt into the zone and it just wasn't working with their linemen. I don't wholly understand the differences, but now they're letting their linemen do what they do best.

As far as Henry, he is still expected to be a big part but now when people say it, it feels false because on the field it appears Lewis has taken Henry's job. The pass opens up the run, the run opens up the pass....the line playing eons better than the garbage they did previously, Fowler being signed and needing time to get comfy (He was very close to playing with just three practices) ...it all does lend toward Derrick doing more. At this point, I still expect Henry to be a backup and then probably traded this offseason. Don't forget for one sec that Lewis has a tendency or propensity to get injured too. They literally can't run Lewis this much. 

The Fowler talk is of him having a role, not just a FB. Look at Titansonline articles and Wyatt's videos. He's lining up all over and expected to get carries. Wyatt does clarify that any FB probably won't get many carries. Vrabel said most NFL teams didn't use a FB correctly and that's why the league did without. He has to be a player back there and can't just be a guy meaning there has to be some threat of rush or receiving from him. I remember he has excellent hands and ran routes in the slot, that's what they mentioned in his presser, so I'm thinking in the least there will be one snap N throw and one put your head down and smash into the line run. 

Last week I told you how Vrabel loved how his presence fired up the boys and he thought there were excellent practices and even spent one of his few full contact practices. You had to see the offense hitting more against the Boys this week. Vrabel said he and JRob spoke how it was like the heart of the team returned. Don't overstate the usage of a FB, at most he probably gets 20 snaps, but he's gonna hit someone and Lewan will take note and big Henry will and...man if one FB snap gets them going then that one snap was totally worth it. I do think if Fowler is in the slot, that they could have some success running outside. I'm not certain he is in the slot to receive. The TE was not sealing anyone and adding a FB in the slot kind of lends toward getting that accomplished or maybe just because he's got some wheels he can keep up and block well on the run. IDK...we'll have to wait and see. 
As far as what the Titans are doing with their blocking scheme I haven't watched them nearly enough to be able to say what they have been doing this year. I haven't even had time to keep up with the information you have been providing about the team recently although I would like to.

I know what you are talking about as far as what they were doing, running a combination of zone and man blocking, most teams use a combination of the two schemes maybe favoring one type of blocking over the other because of their personnel (what the linemen and RBs do well).

If the Titans are using more zone blocking now with Vrabel, maybe that doesn't fit the offensive linemens strengths as well as man blocking does?

I really am not sure about that, you would need to tell me as I have barely seen them play.

The ZBS might be a better blocking scheme for Lewis than it is Henry. With Henry the main way he was used in college was to run him to the outside on toss plays, usually with some linemen puling so more of a man scheme iirc while you can run Henry between the tackles, he is so big that it is more challenging for him to fit into small creases, he doesn't have the lateral agility to navigate in tight quarters inside as well as a lot of other RB (including Lewis) can.

I only saw part of the most recent game of theirs and from what I saw MM did not look comfortable in the pocket or reading the defense. Maybe this improved in the second half? The Titans did win the game and maybe that comfort level you are talking about occurred then but I wasn't watching. He looks lost and confused for the time I was watching. I thought both MM and Dak looked terrible.

 
Patriots signed Obi.

I wanna know why every team thought he was the bees knees at the 2017 draft and no one claimed him in 2018 until Belichick recently. I've been wanting the Titans to sign him and play him or develop him and I feel kind of burned that BB got him. Why does it feel like BB is the only one that can sign and develop players and the other 31 teams can only draft and develop players? Vrabel loves Coombs so why not wrap Obi in a bow and hand him this super athlete to develop?

 
The Patriots defense has their classic stats. Allowing a ton of yards but points....points, not so much. Bend but don't break.

The Titans should be able to move the ball just fine. The red zone is going to mean everything. 

 
Poor Flu ran hard into a pile and then had the best run of the day at that point, a 12 yarder. Then he wiped out. He's getting an MRI on one knee and an MRI on the ankle of the other leg. Team docs do not think anything is torn, but it's possible he goes on IR anyway. I asked why and it was explained that when both legs get injured, ya can't do rehab til ya can. When Dawkins has been "up" he has filled Flu's role on special teams so there isn't really a strong need to carry him. They might, they might. We'll see.

Vrabel showed his love for him and mentioned how everyone got up when he went in.

You're catching on Vrabel! Now have Fowler active so we can NOT watch Stocker whiff on blocks.

I don't like how it's played out so long, but everyone hitting better since Fowler was signed has been obvious. (And Cmon the boxing gloves were a bit much) And the people on the sideline standing up to see Flu get his chance...go with the hearts of the team Coach. They each require minimal plays and look what happens. Mariani used to do the same stuff as did Hall. Can't explain it, it's just some polarizing effect. 

 
Oh I almost forgot. Tajae's ankle was swollen bad. Vrabel called him a trooper for playing. Word is they're hoping he can hang on til Taylor gets back and maybe Tajae gets a week off. 

A lot of Wadley? guesses from reporters but all in all they just figure Flu's injury means Dawkins plays ST. If Fowler and he are active, that's sufficient. No need to act like Flu had a major role

 
Flu MRIs came back negative. He is doing nothing this week and the Titans are doing nothing this week. Vrabel said something like that which I took to mean no Dawkins, no one signed...etc.

Flu took over Fowler's role on ST so that is an easy replacement, if they decide

Taylor to practice this week and see how the foot heals. 

Lewis(PS) has been doing very well just bad timing with Batson and Jennings playing well yesterday. 

If Tajae and Taylor can't go next (this) week, may have to discuss Lewis promotion. They discussed it during the bye and this past week too. 

 
Titans' fans -- how do you see your D stacking up as a fantasy option ROS?

Surprised that they are the 6th ranked D in my league in total FPs, though the variance game to game is wide -- they seemed to have a rough patch before the bye but have had two solid fantasy games the past two weeks.

How strong do you think they will keep it together, especially leading into th playoffs vs Jets, JAX, and NYG weeks 13-15?

Is this a squad we can depend on?

 
Marcus looks solid since he appears to be over that Nerve injury... Love the life hes put back into C.Davis 

What do you guys think about Marcus against the Colts ... 300/3 sounds about right give or take 40 rushing yards 

 
Titans' fans -- how do you see your D stacking up as a fantasy option ROS?

Surprised that they are the 6th ranked D in my league in total FPs, though the variance game to game is wide -- they seemed to have a rough patch before the bye but have had two solid fantasy games the past two weeks.

How strong do you think they will keep it together, especially leading into th playoffs vs Jets, JAX, and NYG weeks 13-15?

Is this a squad we can depend on?
Redskins week 16

I'd be fine starting them throughout the playoffs with those matchups.

 
Marcus looks solid since he appears to be over that Nerve injury... Love the life hes put back into C.Davis 

What do you guys think about Marcus against the Colts ... 300/3 sounds about right give or take 40 rushing yards 
That's certainly within reach. 

 
Marcus looks solid since he appears to be over that Nerve injury... Love the life hes put back into C.Davis 

What do you guys think about Marcus against the Colts ... 300/3 sounds about right give or take 40 rushing yards 
He only has 5 300 yard games in his career. 2 plus a 290 are against the Colts.

Maybe two TDs. Three seems a lot for him. As long as the line is still fired up, Henry is extremely effective

 
From Nfl.com Bucky Brooks on Mariota

Is Marcus Mariota really a $100 million quarterback?

On the surface, the No. 2 overall pick of the 2015 NFL Draft checks numerous boxes as a franchise quarterback, with an enviable combination of size, speed, athleticism and arm talent. Displaying solid leadership skills and big-game moxie (remember last January's road playoff win in Kansas City?), Mariota appears to be the right kind of quarterback to lead the Tennessee Titans' blue-collar outfit for the next decade.

"You notice good football players on the road when you're scouting, and he was a guy that had a quiet confidence about him, that distributed the football well, that had a unique balance of arm talent and athleticism and just thought he was going to be a really good football player," Titans general manager Jon Robinson said about his franchise quarterback during an interview on the Jim Rome Show in 2016 shortly after being hired by Tennessee.

While all of those factors are certainly true, Mariota still has been an inconsistent player over the past few seasons. At this point, quantifying his value as a franchise quarterback is no easy task.

The fourth-year pro sports a 23-26 career record as a starter, with a 62.5 percent career completion rate, a 65:39 touchdown-to-interception ratio and an 88.8 passer rating. Over the past 23 regular-season games -- going back to the beginning of the 2017 campaign -- the TD-to-INT ratio sits at 20:20, with only five games above a 100.0 passer rating during that span. Certainly not eye-popping statistics for a so-called franchise quarterback, which is why the Titans face something of a conundrum when it comes to the franchise's future plans at the game's most important position. Mariota is poised to play on his fifth-year option in 2019, at a rate of $20.9 million, but he could be tracking toward inking a deal worth more than $25 million annually when all is said and done.

That's a whole lot of cheese for a quarterback who currently ranks 37th in passing yards per game(187.2), behind the likes of Dak Prescott (214.4), C.J. Beathard (208.7), Brock Osweiler (207.8) and Ryan Tannehill (194.4). Mariota's 89.9 passer rating puts him behind Derek Carr (93.5), Eli Manning(92.7), Prescott (90.8), Alex Smith (90.7) and Andy Dalton (90.7). Considering how much hate the football world spews on many of those other passers, you can see the dilemma facing the Titans when making a decision on how to value their QB1 in the current marketplace.

Is an average quarterback worth $100 million dollars or should the team look for another QB1?

"He's not a Tier 1 or Tier 2 quarterback, but you have to keep him," an NFC personnel director told me. "It's hard to find an elite quarterback in this league, so you have to continue to build around him and hope that he develops into an upper-echelon player with the right supporting cast in the right system."

With that in mind, the Titans have attempted to build around their young quarterback. They've invested a ton of draft capital and free-agent dollars in offensive skill players, and they brought in a new offensive coordinator (Matt LaFleur) with a scheme designed to maximize Mariota's talents. After a slow start to the 2018 season, where the QB slogged through six straight games with a passer rating under 100.0, Mariota has posted dazzling figures of 119.9 and 125.0 over the past two weeks -- easy wins over the Cowboys and Patriots. Mariota has posted a 69.8 percent completion rate with a 4:0 TD-to-INT ratio during this span.

Studying the All-22 Coaches Film of those performances, Mariota is at his best when he plays like an athlete at the quarterback position. He flourishes when he is able to throw on the move on bootlegs and scrambles. Mariota has a knack for finding open receivers on second-reaction plays, when the defense breaks down as he flees the pocket. In addition, the 25-year-old is a spectacular runner who's quite adept at executing the zone-read and other designed QB run concepts on the perimeter. Although his injury history prevents the Titans from extensively utilizing these concepts, Mariota's elusiveness and explosiveness as a runner add a dangerous element to the offense.

From the pocket, Mariota is at his best making quick-rhythm throws to the perimeter. He excels throwing quicks and in-breaking routes at short and intermediate range. He also shows impressive accuracy, touch and anticipation tossing post-corners to receivers down the field. Mariota consistently places his passes on the proper shoulder along the boundary, which makes it hard for defenders to make a play on the ball.

From a critical standpoint, Mariota remains a little inconsistent as a passer from the pocket. He misses a handful of layups each game -- which is odd, based on his feathery touch and solid instincts. In addition, Mariota hasn't shown opponents that he can consistently pick apart a defense with a surgeon's precision from the pocket. Granted, he is still acclimating to a new scheme and play caller, but his inconsistent stretches are more user error than poor play design.

That said, Mariota is certainly good enough to win games in this league. He is a mobile playmaker with the potential to be a true difference-maker as a dual-threat quarterback. No. 8 needs to continue to refine his game as a passer, but he's trending in the right direction in Tennessee's current system.

From a monetary standpoint, the Titans should bite the bullet and pay market rate for their young QB1, based on his potential and the dearth of other enticing options available. With an average quarterback class in the 2019 draft and a bunch of ho-hum prospects heading toward the free-agent market, Tennessee is better served investing in its young QB1 and continuing to add pieces around him to help him play winning football from the pocket. This approach has served Alex Smith's employers well during the latter part of his career, and it certainly could help the Titans remain a fringe contender with a quarterback offering a similar game
Are they still running LaFleur's system?

 
Coordinators were made available for like two minutes this week. I hope someone complained to the league

 
Greg Cosell points out on ESPN that Mariota is excellent against the Cover2 and that most teams recognize this and won't even play it against him. If they have to (what the D is used to in certain situations) then they'll try to hide a safety and move him back just before the snap.  The Colts play cover 2 and the Titans should be able to move the ball well.

Colts D is stout (NFL best and 2nd best) against runs to the offensive right. They're NOT good against runs to the left. This suits the Titans well, especially Henry who curiously is outstanding to his left and meh to the right.

(If ourlads is correct, that shows Denico Autry as the LDE and kudos to that no-name. We gotta target him in free agency. Cut by Raiders a couple times...I don't care his history, if runs to his side have the least success in the NFL, then I want him.)

The Colts have run 42% of the time up the middle. The two tight ends occupy LBs and make this the best option and a good option for them. It's gonna be real important for Austin Johnson to continue to play tough. He's got four good weeks so I'm relatively confident. Jayon used to really struggle to shed a blocker and then get to the runner. He's been good this year. He's gonna have to shed that TE and get to Mack.

The Titans should match up fine on the TEs with Brown and Evans but Woodyard might be a prob. Morgan returns but only played 20% of snaps last time he was healthy. Ol Morgan and Ol Woodyard are probably where a TE runs to try and get a short but effective pass. 

Per one scout, the Titans make it too easy to read Byard and if an opposing QB has the ability to change plays at the LOS then...the Titans gotta do a better job of hiding Byard.  Luck's gonna roast them some plays if they don't. 

Luck seems to have added missiles or bullets to his game. Some of the highlights are "holy wow" did he throw a fastball? What was that? Then I wonder if Titans WRs would even catch his bullets. He is so "on" with how to throw a ball. He's got the correct shoulder, diving passes...the guy is really something special. I think he has returned from injury to NOT be included in the top QBs discussion and that's just totally wrong.  If I said who leads a team as well, who throws it as well- all the replies would be gems.

As PK said, the last time Luck played the Titans, their DBs were McCourty, Cox, and Blake. It's not that surprising the Titans have never beaten him when you think of the DBs.

Without Fowler and without Flu, little Dawkins offers a blockable player on ST but he is usually in a crowd and might not be an issue. It's a significant downgrade.

Zach Pascal, former Titan, is probably who Butler covers. He's big and reasonably fast and could make a play or two. He isn't much in the Colts offense when the WRs weren't injured, but a deep threat which matches up poorly with Butler's weakness.  Last week, Butler covered White, TE who's name I forget, and Hogan. He did very well not exposed to the deep ball. Maybe the Titans can scheme something similar up against the Colts or maybe they'll just roll the dice that Pascal isn't that big a deal to worry about.

Ryan has been excellent against TY throughout his career so he is likely on TY.

Taylor looks like he won't play, as I said earlier. Tajae is being a little crazy, practicing and then draining and REST. I'm getting worried about that ankle and if the guy could really be setting himself up to get seriously injured by doing this. He reportedly leaves the facility an hour after everyone else. On the other side, I appreciate his determination to play through injuries.

Last but not least, ya knew I was gonna say this, you knew it was gonna happen....you knew it....Vrabel wanted more pop from the guys in practice this week. Psssh rookie coach this is what happens when ya get rid of Fowler, Klug, Flu(hurt) and guys like that. Ya need them at the end of the roster. It was like a darn switch when Fowler was signed. I hope this was just an expected rest needed after a great game against the Pats and not some attitude change. I don't want to see the boxing gloves again

 
Henry is helping Fowler find an apartment (I'd call it a condo in pic) in TEN. Hashtag was we ain't done here.

We'll see, they both might not be there in 2019

 
@Bri. Sorry to hi-jack this thread but do you see Luck having success against the Titans D? Trying to decide between Luck or Mariota at QB this week. All the "experts" have Luck ranked higher but I'm very tempted to roll with Mariota.

 
The guy is hot and at the top of his game IMO. I wouldn't go away from Luck. The Jags awesome pass D didn't stop him.

Mariota might be the better matchup wise but he's had more "off" games than "on" this year in this new offense. They've got a head of steam and beating the Pats is great for a young team, but...I think whether it's the hot hand or stick with your studs, you stay with Luck. 

Another way-

A bad game from Luck is probably fine for FF but a bad game for Mariota could cost ya this week

 
Cosell thinks it wasn't a wise move to cut a FB before facing Leonard. He wonders what the Titans are planning because he has to be blocked, has to be singled out every play

 
Colts D is stout (NFL best and 2nd best) against runs to the offensive right. They're NOT good against runs to the left. This suits the Titans well, especially Henry who curiously is outstanding to his left and meh to the right.




 
See now I can look at NFL statistics, and the roster and just about every Titans fan can say run behind Lewan but can LaFleur?

3 runs for 9 yards or 3ypc. That's it! 

This is where I don't care about a coach's ego. It's like a little kid, "no I wanna do it my way" and I can't stand that vibe from watching LaFleur call plays. It ain't working. Go with what you do best. 

 
I had noticed in the game thread that the trainers picked up MM8 by the injured hand. That was hmmm because no way they do that.

Turned out, Vrabel said he could have gone back in but he decided the game was out of hand 

The good soldier (as I said in Davis thread) showed his first negative emotion in 4 years. He didn't say a word about it but when Vrabel announced Mariota up next for his usual postgame presser, Mariota had Gabbert go up to the podium.

Vrabel was seen talking to MM8, conceivably about it, so maybe something comes out today. Probably not since Vrabel is likely to call that an "in house" matter. 

A younger Mariota would inadvertently get people fired because they didn't protect him or work up a good plan for him. He doesn't have the same shine to him anymore but...well we'll see 

 
That totally sucked. And any pretense that the team were improving or "getting it" went out the window as well. And hated Vrabel conceding by sending in Gabbert.

 
I've been a Lions fan my whole life.. so I claim my rightful credibility when I say this:

This team this year is the most brutal watch that I can remember.  

This team has 6 games without a QB over 150 yards passing.  ONE game with QB over 250 passing.  5 games under 300 yards total offense, 3 under 250.  17 offensive TDs all season. 3 games 10 points or less.  3 games over 20. 0 rbs over 500 yards. 1 WR over 500 yards (highlight of the offense?).  Longest offensive pass play was thrown by a WR.  ~1 turnover forced per game.  Nobody over 5 sacks. 

On the plus side?  #2 Scoring defense and a kick return for a touchdown.

Just rough.

 
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I've been a Lions fan my whole life.. so I claim my rightful credibility when I say this:

This team this year is the most brutal watch that I can remember.  

This team has 6 games without a QB over 150 yards passing.  ONE game with QB over 250 passing.  5 games under 300 yards total offense, 3 under 250.  17 offensive TDs all season. 3 games 10 points or less.  3 games over 20. 0 rbs over 500 yards. 1 WR over 500 yards (highlight of the offense?).  Longest offensive pass play was thrown by a WR.  ~1 turnover forced per game.  Nobody over 5 sacks. 

On the plus side?  #2 Scoring defense and a kick return for a touchdown.

Just rough.
I'm so sick of this franchise asking fans to be patient. At my most grumpiest they can skip rocks. I understood it during the revamp of Whis and Mularkey did remove some players to make the team his own but it was also clear that he was the TE/Asst head coach so he knew the personnel. So we're all patient and then it pays off and finally they're a good team. Respect around the league, playoff win, what will happen in 2018?

Hiring an OC and HC with no experience was not the move to make. 

We fans all need Kenneth Adams IV to return and I can't wait for it. He knows enough football, enough truths about the league, and how to do business and all that, that Bud's son is going to be very very good for stabilizing. I love how the guy speaks so direct and honestly. 

Lebeau should have been kept. Then when he met with Vrabel again, then he should have been kept as an advisor. You only get so many chances in life to have a legend work for your organization, the Titans should have kept him in some regard. Right now he'd be invaluable just offering wisdom to the D and maybe more importantly what he sees with the offense. Also Vrabel is relatively unappreciative of the grunts and he used to be one. The end of the roster and practice squad has been rookie cr and not how coaches run a team normally. They should be hustlers, someone for the future, and multipositional types.

All the heart guys are gone and they don't have a prayer when the team struggles. This is also coaching. It is not apparent that they can inspire or motivate. I hope Pees feels better but the players being unaware til halftime and some til after the game....his presence isn't there on the sideline. LaFleur's obviously isn't there. My suggestion goes back to Lebeau like thoughts, hire some old ball coach to walk the sidelines. With the coordinators in the booth, who is on the end of the mic relaying info? How come Marcus has never had a surface tablet in his hand yet every NFL QB has? They need an old guy making sure things are done the right way on gameday.

LaFleur has the same ego as Robiske. I thought it was shocking to read Marcus' unhappiness and inability to adjust/call plays one week after rocking with it for two. That's exactly what happened with Robiske and skip them. Where's the communication? What are ya seeing Marcus? Why'd you change to this? And then adjusting themselves as OC? That's awful teamwork, awful. I'd bet $ Marcus sits this week despite saying he was well enough to go in and being angry he could go in. LaFleur's ego is hurt. In years prior, Marcus was the golden boy and whoever missed a block or didn't help improve his play was fired. If Marcus is benched with a "but he's injured claim" I would bet $ LaFleur is fired at the end of the year.

The Titans had a good idea. They hired a young DC and eventually Lebeau to train him. I'd have been fine with some old guy training LaFleur. 

If Henry doesn't suit this offense, then why wasn't he traded and why does he have more yards than Lewis and why does Saban think he should flourish in this offense? There are a lot of fans that think Taywan and Henry will do well elsewhere and burn the team in the "we should have used them better" fashion.

Vrabel and LaFleur claimed to create a mishmash offense of what worked prior, the Rams, and the Pats. It's just ugly junk. The only time the O works well, Corey is just eons better than his CB. Davis is having a rookie like year. Dominant in stretches completely hidden in others. Everything about Rob Moore is favorable and their WR coaches have stunk so kudos on that hire. He has to have the other WRs playing better and maybe not focus so much on Corey. When Davis is having a down game, their offense is awful.

Kelly has played better at RT than Conklin. The RG and C have been poor. I'd fire the OL coach and hire some former player to get em' through the season. 60% are stinking. Filo and Looney (two former Titans) are starting and doing OK for the Boys too. Michael Roos has been at the facility more than a dozen times. He was told he wasn't welcome (like other vets) from Vrabel and Amy told him the door's always open, so he comes to visit just to make a point. (Eddie does too for that matter.) Hire Roos. For the offseason, they can hire an OL coach that can teach technique and understands everything on offense but as far as getting em thru the season...Roos could totally do gameday stuff. They only have 4 or 5 practices left too so I just figure Roos would be fine to get em through.

More with this, Kenneth and Moustache ask former Titans (staff and players) their opinions of things and at times others around the league too. Kenneth is mister "do it the right way" but he'll let coaches and GMs do whatever they want til they're fired; he just has to see professionalism, integrity, and tradition.

His return will be huge. If not awesome for the team, then it will be great for fans. He's so point blank. Your offense was ranked 30th, thanks for your time. We'll be able to follow everything well and Vrabel- the way he treats the press and fans (in this era of online pressers) will never be tolerated. 

Maybe most of all, Kenneth makes sure people speak of how things are for the organization's benefit and not their ego. If Vrabel stays, Kenneth reworking his thinking could be huge for the new coach if he accepts it and adjusts. His pride and ego will fill up just fine when they win. Vrabel has now been quoted at least four times saying the staff didn't do their job well. I don't know if he realizes mister factual is going to use that against him but there it is. I guarantee that comes up. When Kenneth interviews every staff member, I wish we could find out what they say too. Either way, he'll get some dirt there too. Vrabel is in a wide open right in front of everyone type position. He can't expect so much to be hidden and private.

I do wonder about JRob. He might be fine as a GM but I don't think he has necessarily done well as a VP. He could lose that title. I would bet $ he fires someone or makes some change in December, before Kenneth takes over. 

I'm just so anxious for the excuses and dopey requests for patience to be done. I can't wait for the franchise to have a leader again

 
I'm so sick of this franchise asking fans to be patient. At my most grumpiest they can skip rocks. I understood it during the revamp of Whis and Mularkey did remove some players to make the team his own but it was also clear that he was the TE/Asst head coach so he knew the personnel. So we're all patient and then it pays off and finally they're a good team. Respect around the league, playoff win, what will happen in 2018?

Hiring an OC and HC with no experience was not the move to make. 

We fans all need Kenneth Adams IV to return and I can't wait for it. He knows enough football, enough truths about the league, and how to do business and all that, that Bud's son is going to be very very good for stabilizing. I love how the guy speaks so direct and honestly. 

Lebeau should have been kept. Then when he met with Vrabel again, then he should have been kept as an advisor. You only get so many chances in life to have a legend work for your organization, the Titans should have kept him in some regard. Right now he'd be invaluable just offering wisdom to the D and maybe more importantly what he sees with the offense. Also Vrabel is relatively unappreciative of the grunts and he used to be one. The end of the roster and practice squad has been rookie cr and not how coaches run a team normally. They should be hustlers, someone for the future, and multipositional types.

All the heart guys are gone and they don't have a prayer when the team struggles. This is also coaching. It is not apparent that they can inspire or motivate. I hope Pees feels better but the players being unaware til halftime and some til after the game....his presence isn't there on the sideline. LaFleur's obviously isn't there. My suggestion goes back to Lebeau like thoughts, hire some old ball coach to walk the sidelines. With the coordinators in the booth, who is on the end of the mic relaying info? How come Marcus has never had a surface tablet in his hand yet every NFL QB has? They need an old guy making sure things are done the right way on gameday.

LaFleur has the same ego as Robiske. I thought it was shocking to read Marcus' unhappiness and inability to adjust/call plays one week after rocking with it for two. That's exactly what happened with Robiske and skip them. Where's the communication? What are ya seeing Marcus? Why'd you change to this? And then adjusting themselves as OC? That's awful teamwork, awful. I'd bet $ Marcus sits this week despite saying he was well enough to go in and being angry he could go in. LaFleur's ego is hurt. In years prior, Marcus was the golden boy and whoever missed a block or didn't help improve his play was fired. If Marcus is benched with a "but he's injured claim" I would bet $ LaFleur is fired at the end of the year.

The Titans had a good idea. They hired a young DC and eventually Lebeau to train him. I'd have been fine with some old guy training LaFleur. 

If Henry doesn't suit this offense, then why wasn't he traded and why does he have more yards than Lewis and why does Saban think he should flourish in this offense? There are a lot of fans that think Taywan and Henry will do well elsewhere and burn the team in the "we should have used them better" fashion.

Vrabel and LaFleur claimed to create a mishmash offense of what worked prior, the Rams, and the Pats. It's just ugly junk. The only time the O works well, Corey is just eons better than his CB. Davis is having a rookie like year. Dominant in stretches completely hidden in others. Everything about Rob Moore is favorable and their WR coaches have stunk so kudos on that hire. He has to have the other WRs playing better and maybe not focus so much on Corey. When Davis is having a down game, their offense is awful.

Kelly has played better at RT than Conklin. The RG and C have been poor. I'd fire the OL coach and hire some former player to get em' through the season. 60% are stinking. Filo and Looney (two former Titans) are starting and doing OK for the Boys too. Michael Roos has been at the facility more than a dozen times. He was told he wasn't welcome (like other vets) from Vrabel and Amy told him the door's always open, so he comes to visit just to make a point. (Eddie does too for that matter.) Hire Roos. For the offseason, they can hire an OL coach that can teach technique and understands everything on offense but as far as getting em thru the season...Roos could totally do gameday stuff. They only have 4 or 5 practices left too so I just figure Roos would be fine to get em through.

More with this, Kenneth and Moustache ask former Titans (staff and players) their opinions of things and at times others around the league too. Kenneth is mister "do it the right way" but he'll let coaches and GMs do whatever they want til they're fired; he just has to see professionalism, integrity, and tradition.

His return will be huge. If not awesome for the team, then it will be great for fans. He's so point blank. Your offense was ranked 30th, thanks for your time. We'll be able to follow everything well and Vrabel- the way he treats the press and fans (in this era of online pressers) will never be tolerated. 

Maybe most of all, Kenneth makes sure people speak of how things are for the organization's benefit and not their ego. If Vrabel stays, Kenneth reworking his thinking could be huge for the new coach if he accepts it and adjusts. His pride and ego will fill up just fine when they win. Vrabel has now been quoted at least four times saying the staff didn't do their job well. I don't know if he realizes mister factual is going to use that against him but there it is. I guarantee that comes up. When Kenneth interviews every staff member, I wish we could find out what they say too. Either way, he'll get some dirt there too. Vrabel is in a wide open right in front of everyone type position. He can't expect so much to be hidden and private.

I do wonder about JRob. He might be fine as a GM but I don't think he has necessarily done well as a VP. He could lose that title. I would bet $ he fires someone or makes some change in December, before Kenneth takes over. 

I'm just so anxious for the excuses and dopey requests for patience to be done. I can't wait for the franchise to have a leader again
Effing great posting, @Bri

As for the bolded: LaFLeur needs to go. Honestly, I think Pees needs to go too. For a 5-5 team they sure have been embarrassed offensively and defensively a lot. Vrabel? dunno. I don't like firing HCs after only one year. But if he's not willing to listen and learn from some old salts, then get rid of him sooner rather than later.

 
Effing great posting, @Bri

As for the bolded: LaFLeur needs to go. Honestly, I think Pees needs to go too. For a 5-5 team they sure have been embarrassed offensively and defensively a lot. Vrabel? dunno. I don't like firing HCs after only one year. But if he's not willing to listen and learn from some old salts, then get rid of him sooner rather than later.
The offensive mess I get the frustration.  But the defense is # 2 in points allowed and I don't think the Titans D was expected to be that great coming into the season.  I know the Colts game was bad but the Colts have been tough to stop for most teams.  Maybe I'm missing something here.  I'm just surprised to see anyone calling for the DC's job.

 
The offensive mess I get the frustration.  But the defense is # 2 in points allowed and I don't think the Titans D was expected to be that great coming into the season.  I know the Colts game was bad but the Colts have been tough to stop for most teams.  Maybe I'm missing something here.  I'm just surprised to see anyone calling for the DC's job.
It's the meltdowns. IND, BAL games speak for themselves. BUF, MIA also to some extent, these are bad teams

 
It's the meltdowns. IND, BAL games speak for themselves. BUF, MIA also to some extent, these are bad teams
Yep.

Even though the eagles aren't as good as we thought, that game and the Patriots showed us what is possible. But this inconstancy is astounding. The coaches are mostly to blame there, partly because it seems they were woefully unprepared. 

I still think the team has most of the makeup, at least on paper, of a winner. DBs get embarrassed too often, the receivers need a veteran presence - but they had that and got rid if it. Delanie being out is significant but other teams have dealt with key losses better. 

Maybe I shouldn't have, but I expected better from vrabel.  The spirit of the team seems lost, Marcus seems off. But then he'll put things together at times and remind us of his franchise potential. 

In some ways it would be better to have been a Browns fan the last couple years. At least they knew they sucked. 

 
In some ways it would be better to have been a Browns fan the last couple years. At least they knew they sucked. 
I'll never agree with that. And I am so happy that they didn't hire Hue when they had the chance (although I wanted them to - boy was I wrong)

 

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