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[cstu]

Guess it's time for me to fire up and finish New Vegas...

 

[MC Gas Money]

Just got back to FO3 because of this thread (haven't playing a year or so, but recently play New Vegas.)

In loading up my "year ago" save, I was shocked to see I had 150+ stims... having recently played New Vegas, I never had more than 20 or so at a time. They are definitely different games in that respect.

Ive never used stims or ant drugs in FO3 and new vegas. Always sold all that stuff. I never had much trouble without them. Are they all that useful?

More so early on really. I usually have a bunch on me. They are weightless. I think I have 100 right now. Other than Rad Away it's the only chem I keep. Even now deep in the game I have hit a couple of situations where stims have come in handy. When you are facing half a dozen Super Mutant Masters and Overlords armed with miniguns and tri-beam lasers they come in handy.

I always just sniped super mutans and those sharp tooth monsters (cant think of the name). I can usually take them down one at a time before they reach me. If its close quarters I come back when im stronger and use explosives and a magnum to the head. Never once used drugs in the game.

 

[NCCommish]

Just got back to FO3 because of this thread (haven't playing a year or so, but recently play New Vegas.)

In loading up my "year ago" save, I was shocked to see I had 150+ stims... having recently played New Vegas, I never had more than 20 or so at a time. They are definitely different games in that respect.

Ive never used stims or ant drugs in FO3 and new vegas. Always sold all that stuff. I never had much trouble without them. Are they all that useful?

More so early on really. I usually have a bunch on me. They are weightless. I think I have 100 right now. Other than Rad Away it's the only chem I keep. Even now deep in the game I have hit a couple of situations where stims have come in handy. When you are facing half a dozen Super Mutant Masters and Overlords armed with miniguns and tri-beam lasers they come in handy.

I always just sniped super mutans and those sharp tooth monsters (cant think of the name). I can usually take them down one at a time before they reach me. If its close quarters I come back when im stronger and use explosives and a magnum to the head. Never once used drugs in the game.

They are there to be used. And I snipe as well but I am not a big runaway type. If I am in it I press through. In fact I get frustrated when waiting and just go full frontal assault at times. I enjoy the battle. Since I left Fawkes at home getting a lot more fighting in.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I know I asked before:

you must have a harddrive for the expansion packs, and a usb drive won't work, right?

Correct. I have the same problem.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I hope the next fallout finally has vehicles. Would be a great quest to gather parts to build and customize a car or bike.

Would be nice driving around on a hog with a shotgun like Arny

 

[NCCommish]

I hope the next fallout finally has vehicles. Would be a great quest to gather parts to build and customize a car or bike.

Would be nice driving around on a hog with a shotgun like Arny

Vehicles can be cool. But you have to get them right. They can kill a game if the drive mechanics suck.

 

[dcgator]

I wanna say the OP was Gator Shawn, but I'm not for certain. A Fallout 4 would be the first new gen game that would get me to buy a console. Of course, that's assuming that my PC couldn't run it.

I'm sure Gator Shawn is a pretty cool guy, but he ain't me

Having already purchased a PS4 I can say any new Fallout game would be an immediate pre-order. I'm still pissed off that the Survivor2299 site was a hoax. Someone has simply too much time on their hands because it had nearly everyone fooled. Well, anyone who wanted Fallout 4 to be out within the next year anyway.

For those that don't live in the US I can certainly see the draw of having the next one based in Europe. On my way to LA this past weekend I did the Fallout Vegas Tour...Good Springs ---> Jean --> Primm --> Nipton. And yes, Im a complete dork.

 

[Chaka]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

Nude mod...tee-hee-hee

 

[Chaka]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

Sure the mods are cool. I am a little jealous, some are kind of weird though. But I got tired of trying to keep up. Every couple of years buying or building a new computer. That is the value of the console. Not to mention with my Xbox 360 I have all the apps for stuff Amazon Prime and Hulu Plus. It's the entire environment created within owning the console. And those issues on PS3 with Skyrim? We didn't have those on Xbox. PS3 was horrible with Skyrim for a while as I recall. Not sure why really.

I am not a console gamer but don't you have to buy a new one every few years as well?

 

[Chaka]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

I wish I had access to a few of the mods, but it was a great game in its own right and a gaming PC is pretty much the world's worst investment.

Why is that?

 

[NCCommish]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

Sure the mods are cool. I am a little jealous, some are kind of weird though. But I got tired of trying to keep up. Every couple of years buying or building a new computer. That is the value of the console. Not to mention with my Xbox 360 I have all the apps for stuff Amazon Prime and Hulu Plus. It's the entire environment created within owning the console. And those issues on PS3 with Skyrim? We didn't have those on Xbox. PS3 was horrible with Skyrim for a while as I recall. Not sure why really.

I am not a console gamer but don't you have to buy a new one every few years as well?

I am playing on the same refurbed 360 I have owned for several years. It was originally introduced in 2005 and we are just now seeing XBOne introduced. I won't buy one of those for a while probably. I would expect once I do to have it for a long time.

 

[thecatch]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

I wish I had access to a few of the mods, but it was a great game in its own right and a gaming PC is pretty much the world's worst investment.

Why is that?

How many $400 gaming PCs last you 7 years?

 

[MC Gas Money]

I hope the next fallout finally has vehicles. Would be a great quest to gather parts to build and customize a car or bike.

Would be nice driving around on a hog with a shotgun like Arny

Vehicles can be cool. But you have to get them right. They can kill a game if the drive mechanics suck.

I think it should just be a small part of the game oran option to use or not. The heart of the game Iis walking the wasteland on foot. Make fuel scarce so vehicles are a difficult part of the game to use but can be a huge advantage if you can gather the supplies.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

I wish I had access to a few of the mods, but it was a great game in its own right and a gaming PC is pretty much the world's worst investment.

Why is that?

How many $400 gaming PCs last you 7 years?

It would be obsolete in 7 months

 

[jwb]

I would totally drop everything and buy a XB1 or PS4 if FO: 4 came out.

:X

Why would you do that? So like in New Vegas, you can get a DLC which lets you get to a higher level... but oh yeah, it also causes all of your saved games to stop loading so you can never actually get a higher level, and they never fix the bug?

I love the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, but playing them on console sucks at horrific levels if playing on PC is an option. Especially if you just throw an xbox controller on the PC.

I have only played Elder Scrolls and Fallout on console. Other than some minor glitches it's been good. I haven't downloaded the DLC for NV yet so I can't comment on that.

It's not just bugs, though the Vegas DLC one was huge. And Skyrim DLC's on the PS3 were downright unethical in how they handled them.

The main reason though to play on PC over console if you can, is all of the end user created content. The unofficial patches created by end users fix far more than the official patches do, and often better. And then the actual additions to the games... new quests, areas to explore, new weapons, equipment, new functionality, etc. I have a lot more experience with the Elder Scrolls mods, but people have added things there like being able to ride a dragon into combat, or having large scale battles between the Stormcloaks and Imperials that you can stumble into, with entire armies fighting. Or simple little tweaks like giving you options to have more followers and command them better, setting distance they should travel behind you at, whether they join in a fight or not, etc. Not to mention when you hit a bugged quest, being able to google how to open the game's behind the scenes console and set the quest past the bugged part so you can continue it.

And that's without modding them yourself. I made a ton of changes to Skyrim myself to change leveling rates to be more what I wanted, remove the glut of crafting resources and magic items from the economy, etc.

Anyway, sorry for how much that was up on my soap box. But playing these games on PC vs console is sort of like watching TV in HD or on standard def. Until you've experienced HD, you don't realize just how much the previous experience was lacking.

Sure the mods are cool. I am a little jealous, some are kind of weird though. But I got tired of trying to keep up. Every couple of years buying or building a new computer. That is the value of the console. Not to mention with my Xbox 360 I have all the apps for stuff Amazon Prime and Hulu Plus. It's the entire environment created within owning the console. And those issues on PS3 with Skyrim? We didn't have those on Xbox. PS3 was horrible with Skyrim for a while as I recall. Not sure why really.

I am not a console gamer but don't you have to buy a new one every few years as well?

No. This last generation lasted 9 years. I did buy 2 Xboxes in that time. So $800 for nine years.

I used to love PC gaming, but the xbox 360 brought me over to the console side. I still like a good RTS on PC (consoles don't do this as well), and am enjoying the new Divinity game immensely. But consoles are 90% of my gaming now.

 

[butcher boy]

There are other factors involved like how long it takes for a good enough library of games to develop to make a console start to be worth it, and also how a number of consoles (mainly XBOX) have had major problems and end up having to be replaced, whereas with a PC it may be just a matter of buying a part, etc.

Myself, I like PC because it lets me watch TV/sports and game at the same time.

But for Fallout/Elder Scrolls, the mods make the PC version WAY better.

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

 

[NCCommish]

There are other factors involved like how long it takes for a good enough library of games to develop to make a console start to be worth it, and also how a number of consoles (mainly XBOX) have had major problems and end up having to be replaced, whereas with a PC it may be just a matter of buying a part, etc.

Myself, I like PC because it lets me watch TV/sports and game at the same time.

But for Fallout/Elder Scrolls, the mods make the PC version WAY better.

I never had any of the issues that caused replacement. My original Xbox died after 4-5 years a natural death. I likely could have repaired it but 360's were available. My current 360 is at least that old, is a refurb on top of it, and is still going strong.

 

[NCCommish]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I know I asked before:

you must have a harddrive for the expansion packs, and a usb drive won't work, right?

A usb drive WILL work but you have to format it first.

my pants just got tighter.

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

Fair enough. So how much do console games get discounted? I can expect a PC game to be $10 within a year and down to $5 within 18 mos.

 

[NCCommish]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

Fair enough. So how much do console games get discounted? I can expect a PC game to be $10 within a year and down to $5 within 18 mos.

I buy almost all my games used. So it can drop pretty quickly because of that. If you mean new in the package then it really depends on the game. Truly marquee games can take a while.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I just remembered stimpacks are healing. I didnt mean to include those in all the buff drugs because of course i use them.

 

[NCCommish]

I just remembered stimpacks are healing. I didnt mean to include those in all the buff drugs because of course i use them.

That makes more sense. Yeah I sell all the buffs.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I just remembered stimpacks are healing. I didnt mean to include those in all the buff drugs because of course i use them.

That makes more sense. Yeah I sell all the buffs.

You must have thought I was BSing

"How could this guy get through the game without ever healing"?

 

[NCCommish]

I just remembered stimpacks are healing. I didnt mean to include those in all the buff drugs because of course i use them.

That makes more sense. Yeah I sell all the buffs.

You must have thought I was BSing

"How could this guy get through the game without ever healing"?

I admit I was wondering. But there are other ways. Eating although then you build up radiation. And of course sleeping. So I guess it wouldn't be impossible but really. really hard. At least for me.

 

[thecatch]

There are other factors involved like how long it takes for a good enough library of games to develop to make a console start to be worth it, and also how a number of consoles (mainly XBOX) have had major problems and end up having to be replaced, whereas with a PC it may be just a matter of buying a part, etc.

Myself, I like PC because it lets me watch TV/sports and game at the same time.

But for Fallout/Elder Scrolls, the mods make the PC version WAY better.

I used to be a huge PC gamer. Sending my xbox in to MS for replacement was easier than any hardware fix I ever had to do on a PC. We haven't even mentioned the worst thing about PCs, which is getting a game to work when you have driver issues, etc.

/console v PC rant

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

Fair enough. So how much do console games get discounted? I can expect a PC game to be $10 within a year and down to $5 within 18 mos.

I buy almost all my games used. So it can drop pretty quickly because of that. If you mean new in the package then it really depends on the game. Truly marquee games can take a while.

No I mean how much do they get discounted (new or used)? Alternatively how long after a game like Last of Us (or a similar game) is released will I be able to buy it for $10 or less (new or used)?

 

[NCCommish]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

Fair enough. So how much do console games get discounted? I can expect a PC game to be $10 within a year and down to $5 within 18 mos.

I buy almost all my games used. So it can drop pretty quickly because of that. If you mean new in the package then it really depends on the game. Truly marquee games can take a while.

No I mean how much do they get discounted (new or used)? Alternatively how long after a game like Last of Us (or a similar game) is released will I be able to buy it for $10 or less (new or used)?

GTA V is half price right now used. About 5 bucks more new. Hasn't been out that long.

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

Fair enough. So how much do console games get discounted? I can expect a PC game to be $10 within a year and down to $5 within 18 mos.

I buy almost all my games used. So it can drop pretty quickly because of that. If you mean new in the package then it really depends on the game. Truly marquee games can take a while.

No I mean how much do they get discounted (new or used)? Alternatively how long after a game like Last of Us (or a similar game) is released will I be able to buy it for $10 or less (new or used)?

GTA V is half price right now used. About 5 bucks more new. Hasn't been out that long.

Okay. Now let me be a little more direct. Do games ever drop below $10? I know they do free games every month so how recent are those games? I recall reading about a few very cool titles in the actual video game thread.

BTW this is why I was opposed to the dedicated FO thread, because things have a way of tangenting all over the place and now I am not sure if we should move this conversation to the other thread and on top of that I am probably going to forget which thread I am having which conversation in. That's lame.

 

[jwb]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

No, not at all, but it adds to your overall cost. You need a PC and a gaming console to be completely functional from home. Still less than a gaming PC, but it brings the price point closer. Add in the fact that, I am pretty sure console games seldom get the discount that PC games do or they don't in the same time frame as an equivalent PC discount (probably a piracy issue) and the margin becomes even slimmer.

I am not anti console I am just having an internal debate as to whether or not it is a smart move for me.

 

[Sinrman]

FO is easily my favorite series of all time. Played since the very first one. FO 4 will be a must-purchase whenever they finally put it out. Been waiting patiently for several years! :(

 

[SlaX]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

A roku stick ($40) will cover the Hulu, Netflix issue (Blu-Ray is a dying medium so I don't see that functionality as any sort of benefit).

What about the cost of games? You can purchase a top shelf game about a year after release for under $10, how long does it take for a top of the line console game (e.g. Last of Us) to hit that price? It seems like one could build up a massive backlog of games that would last long enough for it to be cost effective enough to buy a new PC and start the cycle again.

I am definitely interested in a console so your points in favor are appreciated.

I rarely pay full price for anything. Well except Elder Scrolls games. And maybe an FO4. But I have a huge backlog of games right now. I could not buy another game for months and be fine. Of course part of that is the free downloads each month. And I don't have to buy anything extra to cover Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. I paid about 175 for my refurbed console. I added a hard drive for less than 50.00. What gaming rig could you build for 235.00? And have it still be up for new games 5-6 years later? To me that's the value prop. Yes I lose access to mods. I'd say that is the biggest drawback. But I don't really miss them as I was never a huge mod user to start with.

Fair enough. So how much do console games get discounted? I can expect a PC game to be $10 within a year and down to $5 within 18 mos.

I buy almost all my games used. So it can drop pretty quickly because of that. If you mean new in the package then it really depends on the game. Truly marquee games can take a while.

No I mean how much do they get discounted (new or used)? Alternatively how long after a game like Last of Us (or a similar game) is released will I be able to buy it for $10 or less (new or used)?

GTA V is half price right now used. About 5 bucks more new. Hasn't been out that long.

Okay. Now let me be a little more direct. Do games ever drop below $10? I know they do free games every month so how recent are those games? I recall reading about a few very cool titles in the actual video game thread.

BTW this is why I was opposed to the dedicated FO thread, because things have a way of tangenting all over the place and now I am not sure if we should move this conversation to the other thread and on top of that I am probably going to forget which thread I am having which conversation in. That's lame.

This month's free game on Xbox 360 is Gotham City Imposters. The game hasn't been out long, but it's free to play on PC. The "deal" is a joke. Other months have been better, but not a whole lot. Last month, Dark Souls was offered on Xbox and that's cool, because I haven't played that. Playstation Plus has better options for the free games, overall.

 

[jwb]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

No, not at all, but it adds to your overall cost. You need a PC and a gaming console to be completely functional from home. Still less than a gaming PC, but it brings the price point closer. Add in the fact that, I am pretty sure console games seldom get the discount that PC games do or they don't in the same time frame as an equivalent PC discount (probably a piracy issue) and the margin becomes even slimmer.

I am not anti console I am just having an internal debate as to whether or not it is a smart move for me.

If you like games, you will like a console. Best way I can put it.

 

[jwb]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

No, not at all, but it adds to your overall cost. You need a PC and a gaming console to be completely functional from home. Still less than a gaming PC, but it brings the price point closer. Add in the fact that, I am pretty sure console games seldom get the discount that PC games do or they don't in the same time frame as an equivalent PC discount (probably a piracy issue) and the margin becomes even slimmer.

I am not anti console I am just having an internal debate as to whether or not it is a smart move for me.

I also agree with you that two threads has become silly. We're not really talking about Fallout here, are we?

 

[KarmaPolice]

1. formatted usb doesn't work.

2. I have no idea how to get to Arlington cemetery. just wandering around falls church.

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

No, not at all, but it adds to your overall cost. You need a PC and a gaming console to be completely functional from home. Still less than a gaming PC, but it brings the price point closer. Add in the fact that, I am pretty sure console games seldom get the discount that PC games do or they don't in the same time frame as an equivalent PC discount (probably a piracy issue) and the margin becomes even slimmer.

I am not anti console I am just having an internal debate as to whether or not it is a smart move for me.

I also agree with you that two threads has become silly. We're not really talking about Fallout here, are we?

I knew this would happen. We need to shut this down and just go back to the official Video game thread and let those whiny ###### know that we own that thread and there is nothing they can do about it.

Who's with me? LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GregR]

I'm not anti-console either. I'm just anti-console for Fallout and Elder Scrolls.

 

[dcgator]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

No, not at all, but it adds to your overall cost. You need a PC and a gaming console to be completely functional from home. Still less than a gaming PC, but it brings the price point closer. Add in the fact that, I am pretty sure console games seldom get the discount that PC games do or they don't in the same time frame as an equivalent PC discount (probably a piracy issue) and the margin becomes even slimmer.I am not anti console I am just having an internal debate as to whether or not it is a smart move for me.

I also agree with you that two threads has become silly. We're not really talking about Fallout here, are we?

I knew this would happen. We need to shut this down and just go back to the official Video game thread and let those whiny ###### know that we own that thread and there is nothing they can do about it.Who's with me? LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can we at least keep the thread open for Fallout news/info/withdrawal?

 

[Chaka]

Fair enough, although PCs offer a lot more functionality than just games. I personally work from home several days per week which is a functionality that will last for years beyond the time it can no longer handle the latest games.

I have a PC for work (I work at home too), and it's a 'decent" machine, but not high end gaming. Does it have to be either/or?

Maybe I'm way off, but I would guess that most homes with a console have some kind of PC there too.

No, not at all, but it adds to your overall cost. You need a PC and a gaming console to be completely functional from home. Still less than a gaming PC, but it brings the price point closer. Add in the fact that, I am pretty sure console games seldom get the discount that PC games do or they don't in the same time frame as an equivalent PC discount (probably a piracy issue) and the margin becomes even slimmer.I am not anti console I am just having an internal debate as to whether or not it is a smart move for me.

I also agree with you that two threads has become silly. We're not really talking about Fallout here, are we?

I knew this would happen. We need to shut this down and just go back to the official Video game thread and let those whiny ###### know that we own that thread and there is nothing they can do about it.Who's with me? LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can we at least keep the thread open for Fallout news/info/withdrawal?

Let's take it all to the other thread! Screw those guys! There is no way this thread exists without tangents and it will no doubt become (as I said in the other thread) a de facto video games thread light.

We are going to have a bunch of conversations about a bunch of different topics and then we won't know which thread we had which conversation in.

Viva la revolución!!!!

 

[dcgator]

Just got back to FO3 because of this thread (haven't playing a year or so, but recently play New Vegas.)

In loading up my "year ago" save, I was shocked to see I had 150+ stims... having recently played New Vegas, I never had more than 20 or so at a time. They are definitely different games in that respect.

Ive never used stims or ant drugs in FO3 and new vegas. Always sold all that stuff. I never had much trouble without them. Are they all that useful?

I never used them until I did. Some of them add such an advantage when you turn around and 3 deathclaws are running towards you. I didn't even try them until maybe my 3rd play through of new Vegas. Now they are a key to most every character unless I'm going straight-edge pacifist.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Whenever I play fallout I only like to wear the light black leather armor til I get the power armor and I only like to use conventional weapons. I hate the energy weapons and always sell that stuff. I lile to walk around in the leather with only a rifle, shotgun and a 357. Ill throw the occasional grenade.

Anyone else have their own tendencies or play style they usually stick to?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Just got back to FO3 because of this thread (haven't playing a year or so, but recently play New Vegas.)

In loading up my "year ago" save, I was shocked to see I had 150+ stims... having recently played New Vegas, I never had more than 20 or so at a time. They are definitely different games in that respect.

Ive never used stims or ant drugs in FO3 and new vegas. Always sold all that stuff. I never had much trouble without them. Are they all that useful?

I never used them until I did. Some of them add such an advantage when you turn around and 3 deathclaws are running towards you. I didn't even try them until maybe my 3rd play through of new Vegas. Now they are a key to most every character unless I'm going straight-edge pacifist.

I like to roleplay as a character that is nothing like me in real life. My characters never take drugs.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

To me drugs are just money substitute. That valuable items with no weight, like ammo for weapons I don't use.

 

[MC Gas Money]

To me drugs are just money substitute. That valuable items with no weight, like ammo for weapons I don't use.

If you arent going to use something why not just sell it?

I havent played in 2 years. Doesnt ammo have weight?

 

[dcgator]

To me drugs are just money substitute. That valuable items with no weight, like ammo for weapons I don't use.

If you arent going to use something why not just sell it?

I havent played in 2 years. Doesnt ammo have weight?

in New Vegas on hardcore I believe it does.

 

[MC Gas Money]

To me drugs are just money substitute. That valuable items with no weight, like ammo for weapons I don't use.

If you arent going to use something why not just sell it? I havent played in 2 years. Doesnt ammo have weight?

in New Vegas on hardcore I believe it does.

What else is different on hardcore?

 

[dcgator]

To me drugs are just money substitute. That valuable items with no weight, like ammo for weapons I don't use.

If you arent going to use something why not just sell it? I havent played in 2 years. Doesnt ammo have weight?

in New Vegas on hardcore I believe it does.

What else is different on hardcore?

everything. It's the only way to play NV IMO. You gotta eat and drink, it's basically survival. Jsawyer wanted to go ven further, hence his mods. It's the best you can do on console.