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Can you troll any worse? What happened to your GENO FOR MVP rant?
Patriots are 3-2 since gronk returned. The offensive stats might be better, but the argument for brady as mvp is what he was able to do in a situation that didn't lend itself to putting up big numbers. When your receivers are dropping balls left and right, running the wrong routes and unable to run the hurryup, your numbers are going to suffer. When vereen gets hurt week 1, ridley fumbles himself onto the pine, and blount and bolden are getting significant work, and your entire receiving corps is turned over, your presumed numbed one gets hurt week 1, your last experienced receiver is averaging 5 to 6 yards per catch, and you lose two games after controversial officiating decisions, and you hurt your hand, yet you can start the season with four straight wins and lead the team into position to get a first round bye, you're doing something right, even if you aren't putting up eye popping stats. I know its not exciting for fantasy football owners, and there are plenty of people who would rather not give brady credit unless they absolutely have to, but it really is pretty incredible that they're in the position they're in,
Holy Mother of God Man, are you serious? This is schtick, right? I almost feel like I'm going to get a bunch of "Your sarcasm meter is broken" comments after I post this.Ghost Rider said:
Not only that, but the Packers were already taking on water by losing Cobb, Jones, and Finley. Rodgers was just the final straw.
And not only that......but you can't really say "hey they fell apart after Rodgers got hurt" when the backup was Wallace, then Tolzien (or whatever his name is), and now Flynn.
I like Brady as much as the next guy. Manning could end up having 25-30 more TD passes than Brady this year. Think about that one for awhile . . .
I'd have to see exactly how that transpired. I mean, if Manning has a horrendous last few games and Brady is fantastic - maybe you could make the case. But that's not likely to happen.
Manning only has to lose 1 game and Brady to win 3.
Ask yourself this.... How many games has Denver's defense/special teams won them a game?
I'm not sure how you can say defense/special teams "won" them games in which Brady lead a last second scoring drive. Yes, Brady only had that drive because of defense/ST, but to say that they "won" the game just by putting the ball in Brady's hands with <120 seconds left on the clock, well...you've kinda touched upon why people are putting Brady's name up for MVP in the first place.
If Im not mistaken Brady had 2 shots before that final drive to win the game. One of which should have been his " final" game winning drive. If NO gets a first down, like the high powered offense they are then Brady would have officially blown his opportunity for the game winning drive.
I can give credit where it's due. You're the one that said the game was "won" because a defense made a stop, or because an onside kick was recovered when in fact those things occurred when the Patriots were still behind...which means in order to win, the offense had to score a touchdown. Which was done by Brady.
sorry, didn't win them the game but they stopped them from losing, which Brady would have done if not for the defense.
I can see where youre coming from but MVP isn't for best team. Its a combination of value to the team, team record, and individual success to some extent. I know statistics could be inflated but in Manning's case they aren't. Manning has barely had more attempts than Brady passing, he's just done way better with his attempts. And one way to measure a QB's total success is passer rating and its not close.
If the defense gave Brady the ball at the 1 and he score a game winning TD, I would say that the defense won them that game. I don't think it's too difficult to draw a line between that and an actual game winning drive, of which Brady has had several this year.
I think most people don't just look at QB rating because Manning has has the best offensive supporting cast in the NFL, by far, and Brady lead the team to one of the best records in the NFL while throwing to nobodies.
If that's the threshhold, I suppose one could claim the Denver D won the Dallas game when Danny Trevathan intercepted Tony Romo at the 24 with 2 minutes left in the game. Manning completed a couple passes but really was playing for the game ending FG.
who won MVP in 2007 when Brady was setting all kinds of records (which are about to be broken) with the best offensive supporting cast in the NFL by far?
Brady. I'm not saying Manning should be ineligible, I'm saying it's a factor. Is there someone you think got screwed over in 2007 for MVP?
not at all. just pointing out that Manning is having a similar season to Brady's MVP campaign with a similarly stacked supporting cast, that's all.
Yeah, Manning up up 50+ points, and got them in FG position. Of course the problem we're running into is that it's a little hard to point to one play/person (usually) and say he/it "won them the game." I just think it's a little stupid to say that a defensive stop or special teams play "won a game" when it had to be followed by a last second, game-winning drive.
I respect your take, I do. I just think it's a little one-sided though to assume the Broncos have been free of any turmoil and the Cadillac is humming along, no problems.
Pats got a tough game coming up this week at Miami, where they always struggle. And then next week at Baltimore.
If they win the next 3 they'll get the #1 seed. This team is hungry and with the loss of Gronk I can see them really stepping up and playing their best football yet. Miami and the Ravens will be tough but it's certainly possible.
It's possible, definitely. But I think the odds are against them going 3-0. I'm a Pats fan but I just can't see them winning at Miami and at Baltimore given all the players they have lost. I hope I am wrong.
He was limited both days, he did practice - Skips talking out his ### :shocked:
