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Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many metrics beyond just pts allowed you cite, this conversation is still going to end with these guys saying "fine, you're right, I'm sorry that I'm capable of looking beyond points allowed and no one else in the world is because they're just not as smart. It was stupid of me to even bring it up when I'm the only one capable of looking at any other metrics."
Congrats on reading a title of the thread and none of the posts inside of it. Because you know if you had you would understand why it is ludicrous to compare Geno Smith with Tom Brady when the pats were undefeated and the Jets were .500.
The point is not that Geno is in the race for MVP. The point is that Geno, who is clearly NOT in the race for MVP, has done all the same things that the Brady-crew claims make Brady an MVP candidate, with just as bad a supporting cast. The only reason this thread is called "Tom Brady for MVP" and not "one of those other guys that's done the same thing for MVP" is because we have a bunch of Pats homers and because of Brady's name history.
Agains the same competition (which there happens to be a lot of for these two teams), they've done the exact same thing. In fact, the Jets offense has done a little more.Congrats on reading a title of the thread and none of the posts inside of it. Because you know if you had you would understand why it is ludicrous to compare Geno Smith with Tom Brady when the pats were undefeated and the Jets were .500.
The point is not that Geno is in the race for MVP. The point is that Geno, who is clearly NOT in the race for MVP, has done all the same things that the Brady-crew claims make Brady an MVP candidate, with just as bad a supporting cast. The only reason this thread is called "Tom Brady for MVP" and not "one of those other guys that's done the same thing for MVP" is because we have a bunch of Pats homers and because of Brady's name history.
in 500 words or less, please describe how 2013 Tom Brady >> 2013 Geno Smith.Congrats on reading a title of the thread and none of the posts inside of it. Because you know if you had you would understand why it is ludicrous to compare Geno Smith with Tom Brady when the pats were undefeated and the Jets were .500.
The point is not that Geno is in the race for MVP. The point is that Geno, who is clearly NOT in the race for MVP, has done all the same things that the Brady-crew claims make Brady an MVP candidate, with just as bad a supporting cast. The only reason this thread is called "Tom Brady for MVP" and not "one of those other guys that's done the same thing for MVP" is because we have a bunch of Pats homers and because of Brady's name history.
Just stop. I don't hate Brady - in fact I like him. The radio broadcasts for MNF where answers questions from Jim Gray are actually pretty good - and Gray tosses him some very awkward questions. As an example, last night they were discussing Brady just missing the consecutive games with a TD streak, which lead to Gray's question about any records mattering to Brady. Brady said if his team ever had a truly undefeated season, that would be pretty special. Then Gray said something like "Well, one of the few teams left that might have a legitimate chance at that is the Denver Broncos - how do you like their chances?" Even I cringed. Brady was extremely diplomatic, talking about how great the Broncos offense is and how they are making it look easy on offense - but then jokingly adding that he hopes they don't go undefeated, as they are playing them later in the season. I don't hate Brady at all - I actually think he's a good guy, and an outstanding leader....I just don't think he should be in the discussion for MVP in 2013.
It's been discussed quite a bit in the thread already, supporting cast. It started comparing Manning's cast of pro-bowl receivers with the rookies Brady has had to work with and bring up to NFL speed and still maintain an undefeated record (up until last week). There's not one rookie on the Jets receiving corps that I'm aware of that Geno Smith has had to pass to yet he has 8 interceptions so far (compared to Brady's 3 ints on 25% more attempts). For most of Brady's games he's had the majority of his receivers be rookies in some cases 80% of his eligible receivers. Yet given this Geno Smith has been sacked 7 more times than Brady, that could be offensive line issues, it could be Geno's lack of NFL experience, it could be Brady being better with his check-downs. The main factor is Brady has done more with less than any other QB in the league. Nobody is arguing Brady deserves the MVP, it's all these smart guys coming in here reading a thread title thinking they need to put a stop to this nonsense.in 500 words or less, please describe how 2013 Tom Brady >> 2013 Geno Smith.Congrats on reading a title of the thread and none of the posts inside of it. Because you know if you had you would understand why it is ludicrous to compare Geno Smith with Tom Brady when the pats were undefeated and the Jets were .500.
The point is not that Geno is in the race for MVP. The point is that Geno, who is clearly NOT in the race for MVP, has done all the same things that the Brady-crew claims make Brady an MVP candidate, with just as bad a supporting cast. The only reason this thread is called "Tom Brady for MVP" and not "one of those other guys that's done the same thing for MVP" is because we have a bunch of Pats homers and because of Brady's name history.
Geno Smith this season isn't even doing what Alex Smith is doing.
The point is not that Geno is in the race for MVP. The point is that Geno, who is clearly NOT in the race for MVP, has done all the same things that the Brady-crew claims make Brady an MVP candidate, with just as bad a supporting cast. The only reason this thread is called "Tom Brady for MVP" and not "one of those other guys that's done the same thing for MVP" is because we have a bunch of Pats homers and because of Brady's name history.
isn't it obvious? The Patriots passing offense, outside of Brady, is much, much weaker than the Jets without Geno Smith, the Chiefs without Alex Smith, the Seahawks without Russell Wilson, the 49ers without Kapernick, the Chargers without Rivers, Ravens without Flacco, the Rams without Bradford, the Browns without Hoyer, etc.
"Box score" is relevant in the context of experience of the weapons he has at his disposable.JoJo on Brady/Peyton or other MVP Candidates comparison: "You have to ignore the box score." "Stop looking at the box score." "Look beyond the box score." "I'm sorry that I'm the only one that's capable of looking at this without the box score."
JoJo on Brady/Geno: "Well if you look at the box score..."
Sorry guy, but I've never once brought up the box score or stats in any of the comparisons I've made, other than to say you selectively choose when to use it. All I've done is taken your own arguments and applied them to other QBs, only to have you suddenly decide that your own arguments are no longer valid. Why? Because they weren't benefiting Tom Brady, of course.
One of many posts where you bring up points scored, ypc (rushing?
) and ignore the fact that most all of the Pats receivers are rookies, keeping making stupid arguments and people will continue to laugh at Geno Smith and you in the process.
Not only do you keep touting fantasy rankings as some kind of argument for real-life play, but you can't even post ones that support your argument. The FBG's have been extremely WRONG about just about every ranking in this post. Brady, fantasy-wise has sucked this year. He's hugely over-rated in these rankings.
Plus, none of the FBG staff even has an MVP vote.PatsWillWin said:
No. The debate was generally whether it should be taken seriously, with Pats fans on one side (guess which side?) and most clear, logical, right-thinking folks on the other.
Show me another source that ranked Geno ahead of Brady for any of those weeks or even for the rest of the season. Surely if Geno is a better QB than Brady he should be projected to perform better for the rest of the reason.PatsWillWin said:
I never said Geno was a better quarterback than Brady. I'm not sure anyone has. Even if they have, using fantasy rankings, especially ones that turned out to be wrong, is moronic.
You realize he was moving the ball to the left hash, right? And that the O-line allowed someone to slip through on the first knee? And that Peyton successfully moved the ball to the left hash without losing the football?
It's good that this thread has turned into an argument over a QB taking a knee at the end of the game.
Not sure how anyone on the internet could make it a month without someone using it, its been in circulation since at least '07.
Not sure any of them were as impressive as Brady's 4th QTR interception, jury is still out though.
You see Rob Ninkovich throw that ball right to Dennard in the back of the endzone for the game winning touchdown? Sick.
