Tom Brady - Randy Moss = Eli Manning (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

oh man, this is classic. oh also, most 22 yr old QB's are either just finishing college or carrying a clipboard. good call on that though.

 

[Ghost Rider]

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

You realize he is only 33?

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

oh man, this is classic. oh also, most 22 yr old QB's are either just finishing college or carrying a clipboard. good call on that though.

Man, look at the Patriots fans diving for that hook in the water!

 

[thehornet]

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

You realize he is only 33?

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

oh man, this is classic. oh also, most 22 yr old QB's are either just finishing college or carrying a clipboard. good call on that though.

Man, look at the Patriots fans diving for that hook in the water!

It's so fun!!!

 

[benm3218]

Will this topic never die...

Brady is incredibly annoying to me. I was wrong on this though. Uggggg. (not the ones Brady wears...)

 

[Phlash]

Id wait and see how the other WRs get used prior to making any absolute claims. There is no doubt Brady benefitted from Moss, half his TDs in 07 went to Moss. He doesn't have another 25 TD player on the roster. But in all honesty, Brady hasn't been on pace for even 40 TD seasons since, and Moss isn't the player he was in 07 anyway.But depending on how Hernandez and Tate develop Brady could be a 4,000 yard 35 TD guy. Likely? No, but possible.

Wow, switz was the only one to actually support Brady while everyone else bashed him? And switz ended up being right?The world is nearing the apocalypse.

 

[shader]

Good call, OP

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Will this topic never die... Brady is incredibly annoying to me. I was wrong on this though. Uggggg. (not the ones Brady wears...)

well it's good that you put that dislike aside to fairly analyze his talent/situation.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I couldn't disagree more. I think Brady is most effective when he just has to deliver the ball where it fits, and not when he has to deal with receivers who cry about getting the ball. These types never seem to last long in NE.

I could actually see Brady's numbers going up, as without the 2x on moss, defenses can now focus on the run more, leaving brady more space to throw,

:whoosh: Yeah, rumor has it that teams are not sure how they are going to stop BJGE and the Pats run game.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'm not sure what Eli is doing this year, or why the OP used Eli as the comparison.But anyone who thinks taking Moss out of the picture is not going to somewhat negatively affect Brady's STATS is kidding themselves.Moss is responsible for 20% of Brady's yardage and 33% of his TDs this year. And that's with Brady basically not using him at all in Week 4.How much of an impact really depends on Tate and Hernandez.From an FF perspective, Brady take a hit with the loss of Moss, no one can really honestly argue that. But I'm not surprised that some are trying to.

His PPG #'s went up. He had his 4 highest weeks without Moss. only 2/4 weeks with moss were even good (not great)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'm not sure what Eli is doing this year, or why the OP used Eli as the comparison.

But anyone who thinks taking Moss out of the picture is not going to somewhat negatively affect Brady's STATS is kidding themselves.

Moss is responsible for 20% of Brady's yardage and 33% of his TDs this year. And that's with Brady basically not using him at all in Week 4.

How much of an impact really depends on Tate and Hernandez.

From an FF perspective, Brady take a hit with the loss of Moss, no one can really honestly argue that. But I'm not surprised that some are trying to.

Not sure where you get that math. Moss has 139 receiving yards this season. Brady has 911 yards passing. Turns out that's only 15%.Between 07 and 09 (two years they played together), Moss accounted for 30% of Brady's passing yards. Even with the drop-off in production from Moss, Brady is still hitting top flight numbers for completion percentage (69.7%) and YPA (7.5).

I do agree on the TD part. It would be surprising to me if Brady didn't regress some in the TD department , with or without Moss. His current rate of 1 TD per every 13.5 attempts is second in the league (behind Sanchez) and better than his career of average of 1 TD per every 18.5 attempts. Law of averages says that will normalize over 16 games.

The bottom line is that Brady isn't going to put up gaudy yardage stats if he's in the bottom half of the league in attempts. If he throws it 480 times, expect 3600/25 numbers; if he throw it 550 times, expect 4000/30.

Look at Aaron Rodgers; he's on pace for 3700 yards passing; why? Because like Brady, he's only thrown the ball 122 times in four games.

Contrary to the OPs prediction that Brady - Moss = Eli, the reality is more like Brady - Attempts (regardless of Moss) = Eli.

This Pats D blows. Henne made em look magical (as did that no one would block chung) but even he was moving the ball on them almost at will. Point is that in the past the pats d was pretty decent, and thus Brady didn't have to score so much to win. Now he does. If it doesn't come from special teams magick and pix sixes, odds are its coming from Brady elevating his game. Ypu really wanna bet against this guy again?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

contrary to public opinion, brady is the one whose level of play has dropped off. NOT moss.

If he's on your team start looking for plan B ASAP

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Take away Moss from Brady and he becomes league MVP.Take away Brady from Moss and he becomes a Nate Washington clone on the field who yells at catering staff in his spare time.

 

[Northbound Train]

Lets don't forget that before Moss came to New England, Tom Brady was Eli Manningish with 3500 yards and 25 TD's. The Patriot's won Super Bowls without Brady having gaudy stats. He was NEVER outstanding. He was solidly average. His highest TD total was 28. his highest yards were 4110 in 2005, but every other year he was at 3500. Then when Moss came he blew up for 50 TD's and 4800 yards. WHY? Moss has that affect. See Daunte Culpepper. Brady is now once again solidly average. He is a clone of Eli, but in all fairness Eli actually has much better weapons around him. Brady has a 2nd year receiver, a couple young TE's, a couple slot receivers, and no great run game at all. Brady is once again a solidly average QB. No more gaudy stats. Welcome back average Tom "Eli Manningish" Brady.

Here....you may want to borrow this

 

[tombonneau]

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

You realize he is only 33?

We're witnessing the "last gasp" outburst of Tom's career, every vet goes through that one half-season where you think they're 22 again, only to crash and burn on the other side of it. Favre's had it happen more than once. Tom owners should deal him now, I don't think he finishes in the top 20 of QBs next season.

oh man, this is classic. oh also, most 22 yr old QB's are either just finishing college or carrying a clipboard. good call on that though.

Man, look at the Patriots fans diving for that hook in the water!

Can't help it. When it comes to anti-Pats posts, the Shark Pool has achieved Poe's Law.