Tony Scheffler #4 TE on updated depth chart? (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

Finally an updated depth chart from the Broncos. It does indeed have Marshall as the #2 WR and Selvin Young as the #2 RB with both Sapp and Bell at FB.

What I also noticed was Tony Scheffler as the last TE listed and Daniel Graham as the #1. Is Graham really going to be getting the passes too? Any homers with info on this?

Broncos Depth Chart

 

[Bossman]

Finally an updated depth chart from the Broncos. It does indeed have Marshall as the #2 WR and Selvin Young as the #2 RB with both Sapp and Bell at FB.

What I also noticed was Tony Scheffler as the last TE listed and Daniel Graham as the #1. Is Graham really going to be getting the passes too? Any homers with info on this?

Broncos Depth Chart

Makes too much sence for the Broncos to use the generously paid stud that is DGraham vs. the sub-par Scheffler.

 

[videoguy505]

Yes, there was a thread about this last week. Basically, Graham will be on the field for every offensive play, at any down and distance. Whether it's more blocking or if he'll be thrown more passes is yet to be seen.

 

[LordOpie]

DG will get ~350 yds and three TDs this year.

 

[gianmarco]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

 

[CA_7]

from FBG Blogger

Denver TE Daniel Graham can catch, no question. As a senior at Colorado, Graham led the the nation in receiving for a tight end. But his blocking abilities were discovered in New England, and receiving took a back seat. Now a Bronco, Graham's entire arsenal will be used on every down according to HC Mike Shanahan. No matter what the situation is Graham will be in the huddle. "A guy like that you don't want to take off the field," Shanahan said.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6744537?source=rss

 

[LordOpie]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

 

[gianmarco]

from FBG Blogger

Denver TE Daniel Graham can catch, no question. As a senior at Colorado, Graham led the the nation in receiving for a tight end. But his blocking abilities were discovered in New England, and receiving took a back seat. Now a Bronco, Graham's entire arsenal will be used on every down according to HC Mike Shanahan. No matter what the situation is Graham will be in the huddle. "A guy like that you don't want to take off the field," Shanahan said.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6744537?source=rss

I know, I've seen this. And I understand that Graham's role will tie into Scheffler's. What I'm trying to ask here and see if someone knows is what is SCHEFFLER'S role going to be? Is he really the #4 TE now and not going to see the field. He's on a couple squads and if he's wasting space, would like to know. There wasn't a question before if Graham was going to be on the field, but his role was supposed to be more blocking. Even with the recent news of him being on the field every play, this is the first I've seen of Scheffler getting bumped all the way to the bottom. Is he now worthless?

 

[gianmarco]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I'm just curious what makes you say this. Is it just what you think or something you've seen, heard, or read? Why would a #4 TE see the field?

 

[Two Deep]

Just Shanahan being Shanahan, I don't believe nothing that comes out of Denver. I would suggest to wait and see for youself once the games begin.

 

[TheFanatic]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I think you are wrong. The guy will put up rock solid numbers. They paid too much for the guy to use him just as a blocker...

 

[shadyridr]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I think you are wrong. The guy will put up rock solid numbers. They paid too much for the guy to use him just as a blocker...

 

[Traders2001]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I think you are wrong. The guy will put up rock solid numbers. They paid too much for the guy to use him just as a blocker...

I dont understand Scheffler was playing very good at the end of the season he is a terrific pass catching TE and a OK blocker , i can see him #2 behind Graham and on the field on passing down and in the red zone but #4 again that s Shanahan.I think Cameron in Miami will also be hard to follow if he coaches long enough in the NFL ( But i have my doubt about this guy )

 

[LordOpie]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I'm just curious what makes you say this. Is it just what you think or something you've seen, heard, or read? Why would a #4 TE see the field?

This is why I question putting value on rosters. Sheffler and Cutler have a good relationship. The morning radio show was at camp everyday... Shanny said that Sheffler will show up in some two TE sets which they've got quality depth to do now. Sheffler will get a handful of passes this year, maybe. But he'll be on the field. No, I don't know why he's listed fourth.

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I think you are wrong. The guy will put up rock solid numbers. They paid too much for the guy to use him just as a blocker...

You're confusing Sheffler with DG.

 

[LordOpie]

oh, here's my guess for why players are listed in the roster the way they are...

they have different practices for first string, etc. Maybe they want to look at the other two TEs in practice situations or the first few games to see how they perform.

They're probably holding Sheffler back cuz they know what they've got in him. You know Shanny likes to feature guys that he'll trade.

I'd be far more shocked if Sheffler wasn't #2 by mid-season than the surprising release of Kyle Johnson.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sheffler's still recovering from a broken foot. I don't think he's been able to practice 100% yet. I think that explains where he is on the depth chart.

I think he'll be a useful FF TE once he's recovered and can go 100% - the question is when will that be?

 

[LordOpie]

Sheffler's still recovering from a broken foot. I don't think he's been able to practice 100% yet. I think that explains where he is on the depth chart.I think he'll be a useful FF TE once he's recovered and can go 100% - the question is when will that be?

Good explanation.But why do you think he'll be useful in FF? Granted, I would not be surprised if he had 150 yards and two TDs this year, maybe even in the same game

 

[TheFanatic]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I'm just curious what makes you say this. Is it just what you think or something you've seen, heard, or read? Why would a #4 TE see the field?

This is why I question putting value on rosters. Sheffler and Cutler have a good relationship. The morning radio show was at camp everyday... Shanny said that Sheffler will show up in some two TE sets which they've got quality depth to do now. Sheffler will get a handful of passes this year, maybe. But he'll be on the field. No, I don't know why he's listed fourth.

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I think you are wrong. The guy will put up rock solid numbers. They paid too much for the guy to use him just as a blocker...

You're confusing Sheffler with DG.

You are correct. I thought the first post in that series was about DG and that everyone was doubting Graham. I meant they spent too much on GRaham to have him ride the pine. He'll be a solid Fantasy TE.

 

[Banger]

But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

Because the Bronc's utilize their TE pretty heavy and he looked good with Cutler last year.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sheffler's still recovering from a broken foot. I don't think he's been able to practice 100% yet. I think that explains where he is on the depth chart.I think he'll be a useful FF TE once he's recovered and can go 100% - the question is when will that be?

Good explanation.But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

He's more of a receiver than a TE, he gets good separation for a TE and has really good hands. Blocking is his weakness (he's smallish for a TE) and is what will limit his playing time. However he'll be the receiving TE - which is all you care about for FF purposes. He's definitely a priority in the passing game when they get inside the red zone as well so far in Cutler's very brief career. SSOG has said before that he basically plays the Shannon Sharpe role when he's in, which is the guy you want to have for FF purposes. Granted he's no where near as talented as Sharpe was, but it's still a productive role and he's good enough to make it pay.

 

[LordOpie]

We'll agree to disagree then.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the kid, but I really do think that DG is the primary catching TE.

I just don't see Sheffler having any FF value... unless you can predict which games he'll get his 2-3 TDs?

 

[Marc Levin]

I think it is a numbers game - will the team keep fouir TEs active on game day? Or do Alexander and Scheffler swap who is inactive based on their practice time that week? is the team's gameplan to block more (indicating Alexander gets more field time) or pass more?

Honest question here - is Nate Jackson the team's long snapper?

 

[shadyridr]

But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

Because the Bronc's utilize their TE pretty heavy and he looked good with Cutler last year.

Since when? Sharpe is a HOF TE. He seems to be the only one they used heavily in recent memory.

 

[Marc Levin]

He's definitely a priority in the passing game when they get inside the red zone as well so far in Cutler's very brief career. SSOG has said before that he basically plays the Shannon Sharpe role when he's in, which is the guy you want to have for FF purposes.

Sharpe's main role was splitting the seam and getting big yardage b/c, like Scheffler, he got great separation down the middle of the field.I actually think, based on what I've seen so far and based on his ability when he was in NE, that Graham will be targeted at least as often as Scheffler in the red zone.

 

[nygiants56]

Finally an updated depth chart from the Broncos. It does indeed have Marshall as the #2 WR and Selvin Young as the #2 RB with both Sapp and Bell at FB.

What I also noticed was Tony Scheffler as the last TE listed and Daniel Graham as the #1. Is Graham really going to be getting the passes too? Any homers with info on this?

Broncos Depth Chart

neither holds any fantasy value.the TE position in Denver has been a wasteland ever since Sharpe retired.

look elsewhere.

 

[LordOpie]

Since when? Sharpe is a HOF TE. He seems to be the only one they used heavily in recent memory.

You make an excellent point.The answer is: Jake PlummerHe had a lot of trouble making those passes.So when they say Cutler's can make all the throws, they were also saying how disappointed they were with Jake not making them.As such, they didn't have a QB to properly utilize a good TE.

 

[LordOpie]

neither holds any fantasy value.the TE position in Denver has been a wasteland ever since Sharpe retired.look elsewhere.

You guys really need to look beyond the numbers as to why things happen.Like, RBBC. Do y'all think that Shanny likes that? Or not using the TE?

 

[Marc Levin]

But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

Because the Bronc's utilize their TE pretty heavy and he looked good with Cutler last year.

Since when? Sharpe is a HOF TE. He seems to be the only one they used heavily in recent memory.

- except for 2000, the TE spot has been used heavily every year up until 2006.66 catches for TEs the year after Sharpe left, 60 the year after thatThat is in line with 72 Sharpe's last year, though I acknowledge the numbers to the TE were slightly elevated during Sharpe's heyday.Now, that said, they have not had "one" TE star besides Sharpe in quite a few years - Des Clark was the last one.

 

[Gr00vus]

But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

Because the Bronc's utilize their TE pretty heavy and he looked good with Cutler last year.

Since when? Sharpe is a HOF TE. He seems to be the only one they used heavily in recent memory.

Since '96 here are the leading TE's for the Broncs outside of Sharpe:99 B. Chamberlain 32 488 2'00 Dwayne Carswell 49 495 3'01 Desmond Clark 51 566 6'04 Jeb Putzier 36 572 2'05 Jeb Putzier 37 481 0'06 Tony Scheffler 18 286 4 + Stephen Alexander 18 160 2Make of it what you will, though you may want to note how productive Scheffler was on a per reception basis last year. He put those numbers up in basically 5 games.He also did not play in either of the last two preseason games.

 

[shadyridr]

But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

Because the Bronc's utilize their TE pretty heavy and he looked good with Cutler last year.

Since when? Sharpe is a HOF TE. He seems to be the only one they used heavily in recent memory.

Since '96 here are the leading TE's for the Broncs outside of Sharpe:99 B. Chamberlain 32 488 2'00 Dwayne Carswell 49 495 3'01 Desmond Clark 51 566 6'04 Jeb Putzier 36 572 2'05 Jeb Putzier 37 481 0'06 Tony Scheffler 18 286 4 + Stephen Alexander 18 160 2Make of it what you will, though you may want to note how productive Scheffler was on a per reception basis last year. He put those numbers up in basically 5 games.He also did not play in either of the last two preseason games.

Was that supposed to prove my argument or dispel it?

 

[Marc Levin]

It both supports (Putzier/Chamberlain) and dispels (Clark) your argument that no Denver TE outside of Sharpe was heavily used. It has no bearing on your contention that the Broncos, as a TEAM, don't heavily utilize the TE.

My response disputes that argument.

 

[LordOpie]

Was that supposed to prove my argument or dispel it?

your 'argument' was moot.

 

[Gr00vus]

But why do you think he'll be useful in FF?

Because the Bronc's utilize their TE pretty heavy and he looked good with Cutler last year.

Since when? Sharpe is a HOF TE. He seems to be the only one they used heavily in recent memory.

Since '96 here are the leading TE's for the Broncs outside of Sharpe:99 B. Chamberlain 32 488 2

'00 Dwayne Carswell 49 495 3

'01 Desmond Clark 51 566 6

'04 Jeb Putzier 36 572 2

'05 Jeb Putzier 37 481 0

'06 Tony Scheffler 18 286 4 + Stephen Alexander 18 160 2

Make of it what you will, though you may want to note how productive Scheffler was on a per reception basis last year. He put those numbers up in basically 5 games.

He also did not play in either of the last two preseason games.

Was that supposed to prove my argument or dispel it?

I can see it going either way. Yes not mind boggling production, but look at the names. Those guys aren't going to make anyone forget about Kellen Winslow (or Shannon Sharpe) any time soon. They've basically had garbage at the position, so it got de-emphasized. Still Clark had a nice year. I think Scheffler is the most talented TE they've had since Sharpe receiving wise, so there's a chance at good production there if he can get back on the field after his injury.Graham on the other hand I'd expect to approach Byron Chamberlain/Dwayne Carswell numbers, maybe a little better. I don't think we'd even be talking about him if Scheffler hadn't broken his foot actually. This is just my opinion of course based on seeing these guys play.

 

[LordOpie]

They've basically had garbage at the position, so it got de-emphasized.

Is that the reason? really?

 

[Marc Levin]

They've basically had garbage at the position, so it got de-emphasized.

Is that the reason? really?

The statement is not true, anyway.Last year was the last year they had significantly fewer TE catches than in SSharpe's years - and I haven't even checked the TE target numbers, which, I am willing to bet, will be very similar from 1999-2005 (except for 2000). Last year, the TE position was practically ignored.

 

[Woz]

Yeah, but does that mean Scheffler won't even see the field?

He definitely will see the field. But I wouldn't count on him for Fantasy numbers.

I think you are wrong. The guy will put up rock solid numbers. They paid too much for the guy to use him just as a blocker...

I'd pay a lot for a TE who blocked well

 

[Gr00vus]

They've basically had garbage at the position, so it got de-emphasized.

Is that the reason? really?

The statement is not true, anyway.Last year was the last year they had significantly fewer TE catches than in SSharpe's years - and I haven't even checked the TE target numbers, which, I am willing to bet, will be very similar from 1999-2005 (except for 2000). Last year, the TE position was practically ignored.

Ahhh Levin, wrong yet again.2006Tony Scheffler 18 286 4Stephen Alexander 18 160 2Chad Mustard 2 232005 Jeb Putzier 37 481 0 Stephen Alexander 21 170 1 Dwayne Carswell 2 3 22004 Jeb Putzier 36 572 2 Dwayne Carswell 22 198 12003 Shannon Sharpe 62 770 8 Dwayne Carswell 6 53 1 Jeb Putzier 4 34 02002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

 

[LordOpie]

2002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

So it was the TEs that were the problem?When did Jake Plummer join the Broncos?

 

[Gr00vus]

2002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

So it was the TEs that were the problem?When did Jake Plummer join the Broncos?

2003

 

[LordOpie]

2002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

So it was the TEs that were the problem?When did Jake Plummer join the Broncos?

2003

Good! Keep going... When did Cutler take over the starting gig and how many catches, yards, and TDs did Scheffler score when Jay became QB?

 

[Gr00vus]

2002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

So it was the TEs that were the problem?When did Jake Plummer join the Broncos?

2003

Good! Keep going... When did Cutler take over the starting gig and how many catches, yards, and TDs did Scheffler score when Jay became QB?

Cutler started his first game in game 9 for the Broncos on 12/03/2006. Here's what Scheffler did in those games:12/31 SF 3 54 12/24 CIN 2 26 112/17 @ ARI 3 58 012/10 @ SD 3 66 212/03 SEA 1 15 0Scheffler had another decent game last year while Plummer was in posting 10/29 IND 4 51 0I believe he was injured after this until the 9th game again. He also had not played much prior to this either.I know you're trying to make Plummer out to be the problem here, but you're wrong in that. 2003, the last time Plummer had an even decent cast of TEs, proves that.

 

[LordOpie]

I know you're trying to make Plummer out to be the problem here, but you're wrong in that. 2003, the last time Plummer had an even decent cast of TEs, proves that.

Well, I saw a lot of crap throws to Putzier and him making great grabs. So I think it's completely unfair to say that he's the problem.

 

[Gr00vus]

I know you're trying to make Plummer out to be the problem here, but you're wrong in that. 2003, the last time Plummer had an even decent cast of TEs, proves that.

Well, I saw a lot of crap throws to Putzier and him making great grabs. So I think it's completely unfair to say that he's the problem.

I think we're at the point in the conversation where I'm supposed to recant and agree that Jeb Putzier is in fact a top notch quality acceptable NFL TE that just didn't get utilized properly, or has had really bad QBs throwing to him and thus it's inconceivable that a lack of talent on his part is what has actually kept him from being an even average TE in the NFL as well as leading to the Broncos drafting Scheffler and summarily cutting Putzier loose last year.I think I'm going to opt out of the conversation instead.

 

[LordOpie]

 

[a_troll00]

Did anyone really think that Graham wasn't going to be the #1 TE for Denver? He's being paid a lot of money, he's the best blocking TE on the team, and he can also catch. He put up a lot of yards playing at CU.

Anybody surprised by this just wasn't paying attention.

 

[Marc Levin]

They've basically had garbage at the position, so it got de-emphasized.

Is that the reason? really?

The statement is not true, anyway.Last year was the last year they had significantly fewer TE catches than in SSharpe's years - and I haven't even checked the TE target numbers, which, I am willing to bet, will be very similar from 1999-2005 (except for 2000). Last year, the TE position was practically ignored.

Ahhh Levin, wrong yet again.2006Tony Scheffler 18 286 4Stephen Alexander 18 160 2Chad Mustard 2 232005 Jeb Putzier 37 481 0 Stephen Alexander 21 170 1 Dwayne Carswell 2 3 22004 Jeb Putzier 36 572 2 Dwayne Carswell 22 198 12003 Shannon Sharpe 62 770 8 Dwayne Carswell 6 53 1 Jeb Putzier 4 34 02002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

Why'd you stop at 2003,which was Sharpe's last year - it went from 72 catches in 2003 (Sharpe's last year) to 66 in 2004 and to 60 in 2005 (your TE catch numbers are wrong) and then a plummet in 2006. I would expect a large drop in production after losing a HOF TE, but catches are not the true mark of whether the emphasis on passes to the TE dropped.Targets are.I have a draft in a half hour, or I'd show you that the emphasis did not plummet post-Sharpe, though the production might have.

 

[Marc Levin]

2002 and prior the TE's regularly got 70+ catches a season: 82 in 2002, 94 in 2001, 98 in 2000, 79 in 1999, 71 in 1998, 86 in 1997, 107 in 1996, etc. Big drop offs in 2004 (58), 2005 (60) and 2006 (38) comparatively when they had trash at the position. Deemphasized.

So it was the TEs that were the problem?When did Jake Plummer join the Broncos?

It was a combo - it was not a drop in "emphasis on passes to the TE," which was the original contention. Pf course, there was less production and slightly less focus on getting the ball to the TE after Sharpe left. But, passes to the TE have always been a big part of the Broncos' offense.Over the last few years, as I acknolwedged above, there has been no individually great pass catching TE in Denver.